Website that reveals how Tony Robbins Rip Off people!

[MindReality]

I came across this website while searching for why Tony Robbins divorced his wife. Although it happened a number of years ago, I didn't know that until recently.

It is strange since he said such wonderful things about his wife and how she was the woman of his dreams and everything he wanted in a woman...

Anyway I came across this in the reader-writer section:

I can tell you that his tactics are unethical, immoral, and dangerous!!! NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed. Scarey stuff indeed. Makes you wonder what other ideas he is putting into people's heads without their awareness or permission. He does not tell you that he is going to use brainwashing techniques, sleep and food deprivation, hypnosis etc on you as a participant. He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

I saw him coming undone right before my very eyes. He was unfaithful to his beautiful (now ex-), wife Becky, and many of his staff knew this and helped to bring women to him in unscrupulous ways at events, even as his wife was in another part of the hotel.

I know of at least two women who worked for him that filed sexual harrassment suits against him and WON! Of course, these were never heard of due to the agreements in the judgements.... but the truth must be known!

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So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

I personally would not do it to that extent but still it is something that works.

The site is The Tony Robbins Critique

Check it out before it is taken down. Robbins legal gang is trying to sue the heck out of the gutsy fellow who put it up.

[TheColonel]

Tony Robbins is a perfect being.

Tony Robbins is my special friend.

Tony Robbins gave me kool aid.

[Healthyfit]

WOW!!! I came on here to find out more info on Tony Robbins and this is the first post that I saw

This forum is such a blessing. I am still curious but I will take from his teachings what benefits me most

[Velvet]

Does this really surprise anyone?

My philosophy and MO has always been to take whatever useful wisdom I can get from any charismatic leader/guru, and leave the hero worship for people who need to worship heroes in order to feel ok. That's a dance I don't need to be part of.

I wouldn't waste a lot of energy focussing on Tony Robbins's shortcomings, just take the good and leave the toxic hate, and be grateful you didn't get more deeply involved.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Pah this is just a way of getting people to not listen to someone who can empower people. People with power, fearful people, and greedy people don't like others getting power, hey like to be exclusive...so they do this...

Total nonsense!

[Markus74]

Not really a surprise, is it?

The good stuff that he says had been said before. He packaged it nicely though, have to give him credit for that. But like with all these self-help gurus, it's the self-help guru who profits the most from it. His followers somewhat less. Buying the books is okay, but the seminars are rip-offs. I've been to one once because I got a ticket for a fraction of the real price on eBay. It's a nice show at times, but there's not too much substance and it's way to expensive for what it really is about. And way too many hysterical people who obviously don't get along in their lives. Which is of course sad but these seminars won't really help most of them either ...

Don't get me wrong: I think his books are interesting and contain some good stuff. I even recommended them. It's the seminars that I'm against. And he's not Mother Theresa, he's in there for the money. People in need shouldn't forget that.

[daveangeles]

T.R. has some good concepts in the books, I agree with markus for once

'Anchoring Yourself to Success' or something like that in his first book is a really good technique. I use it whenever I'm about to go into a stressful situation and it works wonders.

With that said, you don't have to like him as a person. I would also never pay for one of his 'events' and have read a bunch of various things about him that seem grossly incongruent. Just a human being.

[Baltar]

Originally Posted by mindreality

So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

Thanks for sharing this info. I never really planned on going to one of his seminars anyway due to the insane prices and the fact that the effect of his inspirational talk is very temporary. I have the Personal Power II audio program, and listening to it gives me an emotional boost but it lasts a maximum of a few days. I think Steve talked about this in his blog. However, Tony Robbins does provide some useful psychology information in those tapes which has helped me understand how the brain works. He certainly didn't invent this stuff (in fact he says that he didn't), but as others have said he packages it well. Though I don't think he can actually make people link him to success unless they're susceptible to it off the bat. You can't hypnotize somebody unless they let you and this is a similar thing. Someone in a weak state of mind may be susceptible, but ultimately you always have free will. It's not like he's making zombies out of people.

I guess the lesson is that you have to do reality checks on this kind of stuff and not let your emotions take over. I have read a whole bunch of bad things about Tony Robbins' sales techniques and seminar material from other sources as well. On the other hand any time someone gets famous there always seems to be someone out there to slam that person. I've seen anti- Robert Kiyosaki material, and there's probably plenty of anti- Steve Pavlina material out there as well at this point. So everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[icesar]

It's a fallacy to idolize anyone - I think people often fall into the trap of believing this or that self-help guru must be perfect after reading books and attending seminars. But the truth is that they're just human, and it's the substance of what they're teaching that you have to judge, not the person.

[Cron]

I think it is one thing to say that self help gurus are human too in the context of Stephen Covey selling over priced pieces of paper and admitting he has the same difficulties as the rest of us.

I think it is another thing to brush off being a scum bag the way Tony Robbins has allegedly been.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by daveangeles

T.R. has some good concepts in the books, I agree with markus for once

Hallelujah!

So we do have some common ground, hehe.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by mindreality

I came across this website while searching for why Tony Robbins divorced his wife. Although it happened a number of years ago, I didn't know that until recently.

It is strange since he said such wonderful things about his wife and how she was the woman of his dreams and everything he wanted in a woman...

Anyway I came across this in the reader-writer section:

I can tell you that his tactics are unethical, immoral, and dangerous!!! NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed. Scarey stuff indeed. Makes you wonder what other ideas he is putting into people's heads without their awareness or permission. He does not tell you that he is going to use brainwashing techniques, sleep and food deprivation, hypnosis etc on you as a participant. He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

I saw him coming undone right before my very eyes. He was unfaithful to his beautiful (now ex-), wife Becky, and many of his staff knew this and helped to bring women to him in unscrupulous ways at events, even as his wife was in another part of the hotel.

I know of at least two women who worked for him that filed sexual harrassment suits against him and WON! Of course, these were never heard of due to the agreements in the judgements.... but the truth must be known!

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So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

I personally would not do it to that extent but still it is something that works.

The site is The Tony Robbins Critique

Check it out before it is taken down. Robbins legal gang is trying to sue the heck out of the gutsy fellow who put it up.

I don't agree 100% with everything Tony says (the thing about food and megahertz? hmm) but I have his material and I've found it useful; it has improved the quality of my life and I'd give a recommendation and testimonial anytime.

Take one serious look at the website. It's hideous, poorly written, and frankly, silly. Look at the paragraph you posted, mindreality, it assumes the reader is a stupid person who can be hypnotized against their will at the drop of a hat.

Hee hee. It's a bit funny too.

But what's the difference between taking this man at his word...and taking Tony at his?

mindreality, the way you word your post makes it sound like you have an axe to grind.

Originally Posted by mindreality

So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

Right. That's a loaded assumption right there. Look at it from another perspective, everyone who puts themselves out there will have their critic. Hey, I love Tom Cruise (yea yea Scientology I know) but I know a lot of my friends who don't.

Have you read or listened to his stuff, mindreality, and put it to the test? If it didn't work for you, too bad, but I'm sure you'll find something that does. If you haven't, and you posted a slamming critique on him...why?

[MindReality]

I have read his books and seen some of his most amazing videos. Seriously I've gained a lot from the concepts and ideas found in tony robbins stuff. He was a huge influence in the stuff I'm doing as well.

I'm a mind researcher and I study nlp, psychology, hypnosis, metaphysics, philosophy, parapsychology... and the whole lot.

You can basically find the essence of what he teaches in his books. People who go to his seminars tell me that they do it because they want to receive the intense energy that emanates from his being which charges them up for taking massive action in life.

But hey every person has a light side and a shadow side. It's just that we are usually too caught up in the light side that is being flaunted that we are unaware of the shadow side.

[Brutha]

You can't hypnotize somebody unless they let you and this is a similar thing.

When you go to a seminar of this kind, you are in a position where you can be hypnotized.

He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

People pay that kind of money to go to an event with powerful techniques.
I also wouldn't say that hypnosis is something that is detriment in the long run.

NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed.

Linking himself to succes in something that helps the people in his seminars who come back, so I wouldn't label it immoral. (Every NLP trainer does that thing)
Linking not going to his events with unsuccessfulness on the other hand is
immoral.
Having heard to the Personal Power tapes myself, I think their is "Linking to success" in his materials. But I haven't come across "linking not buying more of his products" to unsuccesfulness.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by MindReality

But hey every person has a light side and a shadow side. It's just that we are usually too caught up in the light side that is being flaunted that we are unaware of the shadow side.

He's human too, after all

[whitebreadmike]

wow, after reading the visitors comments on that website I feel so much less guilty for downloading all of tony's CD's from piratebay.org.

Alvin: the quote you're discussing was not writting by the author of the website - it was an e-mail he got from a reader.

Also, someone linked to this thread at rickross.com:
Cult Education Forum :: View topic - Psychosis after a Tony Robbins Seminar??

interesting.