Website that reveals how Tony Robbins Rip Off people!

[MindReality]

I came across this website while searching for why Tony Robbins divorced his wife. Although it happened a number of years ago, I didn't know that until recently.

It is strange since he said such wonderful things about his wife and how she was the woman of his dreams and everything he wanted in a woman...

Anyway I came across this in the reader-writer section:

I can tell you that his tactics are unethical, immoral, and dangerous!!! NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed. Scarey stuff indeed. Makes you wonder what other ideas he is putting into people's heads without their awareness or permission. He does not tell you that he is going to use brainwashing techniques, sleep and food deprivation, hypnosis etc on you as a participant. He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

I saw him coming undone right before my very eyes. He was unfaithful to his beautiful (now ex-), wife Becky, and many of his staff knew this and helped to bring women to him in unscrupulous ways at events, even as his wife was in another part of the hotel.

I know of at least two women who worked for him that filed sexual harrassment suits against him and WON! Of course, these were never heard of due to the agreements in the judgements.... but the truth must be known!

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So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

I personally would not do it to that extent but still it is something that works.

The site is The Tony Robbins Critique

Check it out before it is taken down. Robbins legal gang is trying to sue the heck out of the gutsy fellow who put it up.

[TheColonel]

Tony Robbins is a perfect being.

Tony Robbins is my special friend.

Tony Robbins gave me kool aid.

[Healthyfit]

WOW!!! I came on here to find out more info on Tony Robbins and this is the first post that I saw

This forum is such a blessing. I am still curious but I will take from his teachings what benefits me most

[Velvet]

Does this really surprise anyone?

My philosophy and MO has always been to take whatever useful wisdom I can get from any charismatic leader/guru, and leave the hero worship for people who need to worship heroes in order to feel ok. That's a dance I don't need to be part of.

I wouldn't waste a lot of energy focussing on Tony Robbins's shortcomings, just take the good and leave the toxic hate, and be grateful you didn't get more deeply involved.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Pah this is just a way of getting people to not listen to someone who can empower people. People with power, fearful people, and greedy people don't like others getting power, hey like to be exclusive...so they do this...

Total nonsense!

[Markus74]

Not really a surprise, is it?

The good stuff that he says had been said before. He packaged it nicely though, have to give him credit for that. But like with all these self-help gurus, it's the self-help guru who profits the most from it. His followers somewhat less. Buying the books is okay, but the seminars are rip-offs. I've been to one once because I got a ticket for a fraction of the real price on eBay. It's a nice show at times, but there's not too much substance and it's way to expensive for what it really is about. And way too many hysterical people who obviously don't get along in their lives. Which is of course sad but these seminars won't really help most of them either ...

Don't get me wrong: I think his books are interesting and contain some good stuff. I even recommended them. It's the seminars that I'm against. And he's not Mother Theresa, he's in there for the money. People in need shouldn't forget that.

[daveangeles]

T.R. has some good concepts in the books, I agree with markus for once

'Anchoring Yourself to Success' or something like that in his first book is a really good technique. I use it whenever I'm about to go into a stressful situation and it works wonders.

With that said, you don't have to like him as a person. I would also never pay for one of his 'events' and have read a bunch of various things about him that seem grossly incongruent. Just a human being.

[Baltar]

Originally Posted by mindreality

So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

Thanks for sharing this info. I never really planned on going to one of his seminars anyway due to the insane prices and the fact that the effect of his inspirational talk is very temporary. I have the Personal Power II audio program, and listening to it gives me an emotional boost but it lasts a maximum of a few days. I think Steve talked about this in his blog. However, Tony Robbins does provide some useful psychology information in those tapes which has helped me understand how the brain works. He certainly didn't invent this stuff (in fact he says that he didn't), but as others have said he packages it well. Though I don't think he can actually make people link him to success unless they're susceptible to it off the bat. You can't hypnotize somebody unless they let you and this is a similar thing. Someone in a weak state of mind may be susceptible, but ultimately you always have free will. It's not like he's making zombies out of people.

I guess the lesson is that you have to do reality checks on this kind of stuff and not let your emotions take over. I have read a whole bunch of bad things about Tony Robbins' sales techniques and seminar material from other sources as well. On the other hand any time someone gets famous there always seems to be someone out there to slam that person. I've seen anti- Robert Kiyosaki material, and there's probably plenty of anti- Steve Pavlina material out there as well at this point. So everything has to be taken with a grain of salt.

[icesar]

It's a fallacy to idolize anyone - I think people often fall into the trap of believing this or that self-help guru must be perfect after reading books and attending seminars. But the truth is that they're just human, and it's the substance of what they're teaching that you have to judge, not the person.

[Cron]

I think it is one thing to say that self help gurus are human too in the context of Stephen Covey selling over priced pieces of paper and admitting he has the same difficulties as the rest of us.

I think it is another thing to brush off being a scum bag the way Tony Robbins has allegedly been.

[Markus74]

Originally Posted by daveangeles

T.R. has some good concepts in the books, I agree with markus for once

Hallelujah!

So we do have some common ground, hehe.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by mindreality

I came across this website while searching for why Tony Robbins divorced his wife. Although it happened a number of years ago, I didn't know that until recently.

It is strange since he said such wonderful things about his wife and how she was the woman of his dreams and everything he wanted in a woman...

Anyway I came across this in the reader-writer section:

I can tell you that his tactics are unethical, immoral, and dangerous!!! NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed. Scarey stuff indeed. Makes you wonder what other ideas he is putting into people's heads without their awareness or permission. He does not tell you that he is going to use brainwashing techniques, sleep and food deprivation, hypnosis etc on you as a participant. He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

I saw him coming undone right before my very eyes. He was unfaithful to his beautiful (now ex-), wife Becky, and many of his staff knew this and helped to bring women to him in unscrupulous ways at events, even as his wife was in another part of the hotel.

I know of at least two women who worked for him that filed sexual harrassment suits against him and WON! Of course, these were never heard of due to the agreements in the judgements.... but the truth must be known!

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So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

I personally would not do it to that extent but still it is something that works.

The site is The Tony Robbins Critique

Check it out before it is taken down. Robbins legal gang is trying to sue the heck out of the gutsy fellow who put it up.

I don't agree 100% with everything Tony says (the thing about food and megahertz? hmm) but I have his material and I've found it useful; it has improved the quality of my life and I'd give a recommendation and testimonial anytime.

Take one serious look at the website. It's hideous, poorly written, and frankly, silly. Look at the paragraph you posted, mindreality, it assumes the reader is a stupid person who can be hypnotized against their will at the drop of a hat.

Hee hee. It's a bit funny too.

But what's the difference between taking this man at his word...and taking Tony at his?

mindreality, the way you word your post makes it sound like you have an axe to grind.

Originally Posted by mindreality

So what do you think guys? Has anyone have less than desirable experiences with Tony Robbins stuff? Hmm... linking success to himself so that people will think they will only become successful if they go to him. Well isn't that genius? Ethical, unethical? Lots of people are making money that way.

Right. That's a loaded assumption right there. Look at it from another perspective, everyone who puts themselves out there will have their critic. Hey, I love Tom Cruise (yea yea Scientology I know) but I know a lot of my friends who don't.

Have you read or listened to his stuff, mindreality, and put it to the test? If it didn't work for you, too bad, but I'm sure you'll find something that does. If you haven't, and you posted a slamming critique on him...why?

[MindReality]

I have read his books and seen some of his most amazing videos. Seriously I've gained a lot from the concepts and ideas found in tony robbins stuff. He was a huge influence in the stuff I'm doing as well.

I'm a mind researcher and I study nlp, psychology, hypnosis, metaphysics, philosophy, parapsychology... and the whole lot.

You can basically find the essence of what he teaches in his books. People who go to his seminars tell me that they do it because they want to receive the intense energy that emanates from his being which charges them up for taking massive action in life.

But hey every person has a light side and a shadow side. It's just that we are usually too caught up in the light side that is being flaunted that we are unaware of the shadow side.

[Brutha]

You can't hypnotize somebody unless they let you and this is a similar thing.

When you go to a seminar of this kind, you are in a position where you can be hypnotized.

He does not inform you that these techniques are powerful and can be a detriment to you in the long run.

People pay that kind of money to go to an event with powerful techniques.
I also wouldn't say that hypnosis is something that is detriment in the long run.

NLP is dangerous as he is putting ideas into the participants heads to directly link HIM to their success, so they MUST go to his events and buy his products, etc in order for them to be successful because if they don't, they won't succeed.

Linking himself to succes in something that helps the people in his seminars who come back, so I wouldn't label it immoral. (Every NLP trainer does that thing)
Linking not going to his events with unsuccessfulness on the other hand is
immoral.
Having heard to the Personal Power tapes myself, I think their is "Linking to success" in his materials. But I haven't come across "linking not buying more of his products" to unsuccesfulness.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by MindReality

But hey every person has a light side and a shadow side. It's just that we are usually too caught up in the light side that is being flaunted that we are unaware of the shadow side.

He's human too, after all

[whitebreadmike]

wow, after reading the visitors comments on that website I feel so much less guilty for downloading all of tony's CD's from piratebay.org.

Alvin: the quote you're discussing was not writting by the author of the website - it was an e-mail he got from a reader.

Also, someone linked to this thread at rickross.com:
Cult Education Forum :: View topic - Psychosis after a Tony Robbins Seminar??

interesting.

[joannaction]

Tony Robbins is one of the most motivating human beings in the world. He is increbibly caring and generous. His friends have only the best things to say about him and some of the most preminent folks in society credit him for their levels of success.

Now,this is my belief.You can put strawberries in a blender and get strawberry smoothie, but if you put....lets say, avocados, you can not hope for strawberry smoothie.

Some people listen to tapes and they hope that this will magically wil fix your life.The tapes will help so long you take the steps that you are asked to talke. It is a matter of values,commitment and doing what you need to do,taking steps towards success.

Anyway, it is irritating to see people that have nothing better to do than to try to put amazing people down to maybe feel better about themselves.

About his divorce, he is a human being, and obviously there is a lot behind scenes. It can not have been an easy choise. He did get married very young to a woman who was a lot older than him . And as much as he could have loved her at the time, there must have been very compeling reasons for them not to be together anymore. Keep in mind that he was not her fist husband eather. So with no intention of critizing Mr. Robbins ex, maybe there is something there that the person attacking Mr Robbins is unaware of.She could be the most amazing woman in the world, however there could have not been ideal for each other. And that is THEIR personal life and choise.

Much aloha and I wish you all a Happy 2010

[BloomCoach]

So many people with power, fame and money lose their way and forget what truly makes them happy and fulfilled. I recently read a book called The How of Happiness by a psychotherapist who has spent her career researching what makes people truly happy. It's pretty old-fashioned, but her research stands behind her conclusions.

First, think positively. Sounds like pablum, but forcing yourself to focus on positive thoughts, events or memories for an extended time during each day (10-15 minutes) will raise your level of happiness.

Second, be grateful. Focus on the people and things in your life for which you are grateful. In fact, write them down. That will reinforce the positive feelings.

Third, help others. Being altruistic in big or small ways raises your level of happiness.

Tony Robbins could probably do with getting back to the basics a little bit. When you can have so much, not much seems satisfying, even your beautiful wife.

[Vibration]

At least he hasn't killed anyone that I've heard of, in a sweat lodge or some crazy crap like that. Motivation skills don't work well when you're dead.

He's good at motivating people, and even better at making money.

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Vibration

At least he hasn't killed anyone that I've heard of, in a sweat lodge or some crazy crap like that. Motivation skills don't work well when you're dead.

He's good at motivating people, and even better at making money.

James ray

[ExcellenceIsAChoice]

There is a tremdous amount of "truth" and inspiration in Tony's teachings and Tony has helped many many people to improve their lives.

Tony has never said he is perfect. Remember... None of us is perfect.

If you find something useful in his teachings... then use it. If not, don't. The choice is yours.

[Captain Drywall]

I could never read the stuff someone wrote if they divorce their wife,,, wait.

[Marko500]

Interesting man that Tony Robbins...

I would not say that he massively hypnotic thousands of people to be his slaves.

He just decided to put the entire brand around him. This means that he made product of himself, not from specific techniques. That has its good and bad sides.

What he doing behind the scenes, I do not know. I have no opinion about it, because I do not know him personally.

[The Rock]

Originally Posted by Captain Drywall

I could never read the stuff someone wrote if they divorce their wife,,, wait.

Why do you read Steve's site then?

[outstanding]

first of all hi everybody here . tony is great man and he proved to millions of people around the world he changed alot of poeple lives and helped them to reach their peak performance he worked with over 50 million people around the world from Politician, Olympic Athlet, student , parents , psychiatric , business men , presidents of companies and countries , and the list is goes on ................. he dedicated his life to help people , if what you are saying is true he wouldn"t do all this thing my advice to you instead of focusing on other people focus on your self , you have alot more energy to create solutions instead of problems. by the way i am not DEFENDING him but i have to say the right thing

[billionairekid]

Tony has a lot of great material and being a rookie I was able to figure out that he was trying to link my success to him so he could make more money. It's not unheard of. Have you guys ever heard of marketing? OH MY GOD, MARKETERS LIE TO US ABOUT THEIR PRODUCTS!!!!

Guys, what he does works for everyone involved. If you weren't smart enough to be successful on your own and realize what was going on, you obviously needed Tony and thank god he helped you. If not, then you would have succeeded on your own anyway (or you're doing nothing with your life but hey, you're thinking about it).

[DBV]

There are no perfect people. So don't expect Robbins to be the same... Just like Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan etc. Everyone has a dark side and wants to keep it away. You too keep things secret. Just take the good and leave the bad.

[missbhaven]

I remember once (when i used to go to church) I was quite upset at the hypocrisy of the pastor. I turned to the bible instead of bother listening to him and I wish I could remember the verse.
It basically said to listen to the words of the minister rather than follow his example.
Many of us ourselves know what is right, but yet we still often do what is wrong. It's easier for most people to offer their friends sage advice but rarely follow it themselves.

I love the saying : We hate the things in others that are soo much like ourselves.

[jeff3]

Just like the rest of our experience here, we can focus on what's good about Tony Robbins or focus on what's bad about Tony Robbins......or we can practice non-judgment and just observe Tony Robbins.

[Creotology]

You run the risk of Brainwashing techniques with any self-improvement Guru! Anthony Robbins is better then some and worse then others. Opinions are just opinions about how someone sees themselves and the world they have created. What is most important is to stay focus on what you want and need to accomplish. Please do not forget that Robbins has changed some peoples life for the better and made a positive indention into the mass consciousness as well. I personally do not care for him, just thought I place my two cents in the conversation!