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08-29-2007, 03:47 AM
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 Going back to high school.. I don't like high school. Socially it's decent, I just do me, have some good friends, and good acquaintances. It's a private school though, so sometimes some people annoy me, but I don't worry about it. Anyway, I hate homework, classes, and the way the whole system is set up. Get good grades, do good on tests, stay in class 8 hours a day no matter what, do mandatory classes that are worthless, follow their rules, be beurocratic with teachers. I didn't even realize this completely until this summer, but, now that I've made this realization, I like school even less. I recently became way more productive this summer, but I have way too many things I wanna do on my own that have nothing to do with school. I know I won't have much time because of school. Oh and did I mention everyone keeps talking about college but I don't want to go to college. What I'm asking is what are your thoughts on this subject? What can I do to get the most out of the experiences? Last edited by CoolStuff : 08-29-2007 at 04:24 AM.      |
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08-29-2007, 05:06 AM
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| Dude. Welcome to my world; I can completely sympathize. School here doesn't start at Labor Day; it started a week ago. I completely disagree with the school system. There are many things I would love to otherwise be doing, but I have to waste my time at school. It isn't going to defeat me though- here's what I do. First, if you haven't, read the Teenage Liberation Handbook and see if you can get your parents to allow you to "unschool", a form of homeschooling. If that doesn't work, read on. Since I'm going to be there for such a large part of the day, I try to use school. Not as in doing some bs busy work and depending on a grade for my mental health. Get a bag of candy, and wear a hat, on which is written "I Sell Candy". Everybody likes candy. And with the cafeteria prices marked up so much, anything under a buck a piece will seem like a bargain for candy. Pull a prank. Or two. Or three. Try not to damage property, because that is inherently bad. But there's no problem with taking five pads of posted notes, writing messages such as "I eat babies", and sticking it all over the gym locker room. News flash. Most everything they teach you in American History is bs. Go along with the curriculum, but learn everything from alternative sites such as Information Liberation, Strike the Root, and Lew Rockwell. Then, call out the teacher. Take a study hall. Get your homework out of the way. If anything requires an outline, or if you have to take notes, don't bore yourself to death- learn how to use mindmaps instead. Don't think of homework as homework- think of it as bull **** which can be used to practice memory techniques. If something is unnecessary, don't do it. Cheat. Get over your morals, because you're not breaking any of them. School is inherently evil in that it coerces you into being indoctrinated into government with a gun pointed at your head. Give away homework, copy answers, whatever. Well, that's just about everything. |
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08-29-2007, 05:07 AM
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| I do not like high school, either. I think it is a terrible excuse for an education. How do you make the most of it? Well, rethink some of the things you said. Quote:
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Math: It keeps your mind sharp. Science: This is just good knowledge to have. You don't want to be completely ignorant about the natural world. Being more than just not-ignorant is also good. Social studies: This is pretty obvious. Learning about how people function will help you see how the world functions outside of your high school. Anything else: Be creative. What year are you, by the way? That makes a difference. |
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08-29-2007, 05:26 AM
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| Yes I do good in math, one of the only unbiased things they teach in school. Luckily I have been blessed with good teachers. Science, that's true, even though I try to expand my knowledge past what they say in school. I'm a junior, which I've heard is the worse. From what some of my friends did, it's not that bad though. I have tried for interest in history for sooo long, I haven't been able to do it though. Only some topics were interesting, but I had already learned them myself. Plus now that I realize how much of a lie it is, and how incomplete it is, I feel I will be even less interested. Yes I do cheat. How do you do mindmaps? I've looked it up online but I didn't find any good information about it. They have vending machines already, pretty cheap, but I'm gonna get a candy machine with handfuls for 25 or 50 cents, it'll be great. Thanks for both your answers. Yes I try to keep a positive attitude. All last year I tried to make all subjects interesting to me. |
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08-29-2007, 05:45 AM
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| High School is a constant struggle to stay on top so you won’t be depressed later if you bombed a test or got a terrible over all grade. Also the social aspect of it annoys me because people act the same since the 6th and 7th grade center. Why can’t we have conversations like I do with people on here? Wow that would be productive but it doesn’t happen. The main thing is just staying on top it’s awfully hard. |
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08-29-2007, 05:49 AM
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 High school is just a test run for real life. Try to pay enough attention to get what you want and to leave your options open.
__________________ <jamariquay> I never understood the need for people to kill for their religion. Then I remembered, "Wait. If Optimus Prime tells me to gack someone, that ****er's going down." |
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08-29-2007, 06:26 AM
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| I think basic education is essential in that it teaches you how to effectively express yourself to some extent. You learn how to write well and how to communicate with other people. If you can't even speak or write properly, I don't think you can get too far in life. Make it a point to pick up essential skills such as these. Keep your mind engaged at all times; not necessarily with school subjects, but with whatever interests you. Other than this, all I can say is I felt the same way most of the time. But I did focus on those essential skills such as social interaction and writing. Good luck!
__________________ Take 20 - Personal Development Advice, Tools to Improve the Quality of your Life |
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08-29-2007, 04:06 PM
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| ^ High school hasn't taught me to write or speak properly, and I'm a junior. I can follow their strict rules of structuring an essay, but that still hasn't helped me outside of school. dennis, what do you mean stay on top? Thanks again |
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08-30-2007, 05:37 AM
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| Coolstuff I mean do all of the homework and study for all of the tests while carrying around 60 pounds of books. I try to make the best grade I can but I get discouraged to often by the daily routine beating me up. |
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08-31-2007, 09:33 AM
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| I graduated last year and i completely sympathize. School for me was almost just completely a social experience, and outdoor excellence camps i was involved in were great as well, but academically, i really couldn't care less. In all honesty, almost the whole time I was in high school, I felt I had much better and more important things to do than to study for hours on end to learn things that I felt I was just going to forget anyway. much of the time I was in classes I spent it drawing or brainstorming things for my planner, I never handed in a single draft the whole time I was there but I still maintained food marks and got the sufficient Overall Position to get me into the university that I wanted to. in fact, I remember I was late to every single exam in my last semester because i was busy at home working on my personal development, weird I know. It was weird that even when I wasn't doing the work I was told to do until the last nights, I still spent the majority of time studying, they were just things outside of the school curriculum.  What I think the greatest benefits of high school are besides the social aspects of it, is that I found it a great time to experiment with things before you have to go out and give everything your all. If you ever wanted to do something unusual in a speech, try out some new sports or try out some crazy study methods, imo high school is a better time than any! |
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09-02-2007, 03:21 AM
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| Have you considered homeschooling? My biggest regret is not looking into this option. If you're a junior, then now is a great time to investigate other options. Otherwise... - Seize the class time as your own. Read your textbook during class. Try and stay a step ahead of everyone else. - For math and science, you can probably get the homework done by simply reading the chapter summary. HS usually requires a bare minimum of application. - You say you don't want to go to college. DON'T GO! Audit some courses, without paying. Take a year off before attending, to figure out what you want to do. “High school is the best 4 years of your life” Bull crap! Transcending the Control System: The Horrors of Public Education The Six Lesson Schoolteacher Good luck! |
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09-02-2007, 07:44 AM
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| Also: College is to high school what pizza is to Wonder Bread with Ragu and American cheese slapped on. The principle's the same, and while the latter seems great when you're drunk, it's just really not the same.
__________________ <jamariquay> I never understood the need for people to kill for their religion. Then I remembered, "Wait. If Optimus Prime tells me to gack someone, that ****er's going down." |
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09-03-2007, 08:29 PM
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| Thanks everyone. Yeah what I'm probably gonna do is take a year off, and then prove to everyone that I don't need college by making $50,000. (among other things). Parents are the hardest to convince. I don't care about anyone else, but parents provide for you. I actually got into a private school, but I don't think it's much better. It's just more work, it's still pretty easy. We did learn things in advance, but now we're just doing it over again. And of course I forgot it over summer. At least they admit to you, "this system is designed to make you learn how to manage your time. The workload isn't that hard, it just managing your time is hard." The teacher just told us that to our face. So basically they admit that all it is is taking up your time with useless **** to prevent you from doing anything worthwhile. It just trains you to waste your time for someone when you grow up. It's funny, last year, I was like "**** it." This year I'm like, "I wanna get the work done quickly" so I can do other things, not because I wanna get good grades or whatever. Last year, I didn't see it how it is. This year, I do see the bigger picture. And look, isnt it ****ed up that I see years as school years? Last edited by CoolStuff : 09-03-2007 at 08:33 PM. |
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09-06-2007, 06:45 AM
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| I'm struggling at getting the work done quickly and well. I need to blast through this so that I don't lose so much of my free time. I'm trying to stay ahead of the class, but I sometimes work too slow. It doesn't help that I just see more and more of why I hate school so much. It's so much deeper than just "I don't like homework." |
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09-06-2007, 02:04 PM
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| Whoa, are you sure you aren't me in another dimension? I'm feeling/doing all the same things as you stated in the last two posts. I want to take a year off too. I wanted to homeschool, but my parents wouldn't let me, even after I prepared for an entire month a presentation for them. They just let me graduate a semester early. My plan is the same as yours; say I'm taking a year off, and then prove to them that I don't need college. If it doesn't work out, then I'll go to a college of my choice with my savings. Its kind of hard to triage classes, because if you skip a class in high school, you get a detention. Instead, just do your homework in your classes. If the teachers are idiots about "Not doing homework from other classes, work ahead and do homework from their class. |
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09-07-2007, 07:03 AM
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| ^ Haha I knew there were more of us out there. My mom told me she graduated 2 years early, but that was a while ago. I wish I could do that. I don't think it's possible at our school though. Seniors just get out a few months early. (march/april). Yeah I've been doing their homework in class, it feels good to be able to say I already finished. But I work slow and I also want to learn at the same time in class so that I won't be behind on that. But I think this year I'm gonna get good at doing homework in class. |
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09-07-2007, 12:25 PM
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| For me High School was bitchin'. At least for the first 2.5 years I went. Then I got expelled and went to home study. Seriously, though, my advice to you is to man up. "High school" (the homework, bureacracy, etc.) is a piece of cake. 1. Do all your homework in class. Don't pay attention to the teachers unless you like them. Just read your book and fill in the answers. If your teachers bug you about class participation tell them a sob stroy about how you are having family problems (Guaranteed they'll give you special treatment for the rest of the year.) 2. Since you don't give a damn about college then just take the easy way out. Take required classes plus the easiest electives you can think of. 3. Spend the rest of your time partying, meeting new people and fooling around with chicks. - If you're not into that then just focus on making some cash and stocking up for your future. High school is basically the EASY setting of life. Easy work, no real responsibility, risk-taking with very limited consequences. If you can't have a good time in your highschool years you may need to re-evaluate your life. |
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09-07-2007, 01:19 PM
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| hey man, I hear what your saying, I dropped out and got my GED. But after a year of realizing that it can even affect your chances to get a small simple job I went back and finished school to get my real diploma. So now I have two! School is just an opportunity and that is how you have to look at it. There are negatives about everything your going to find in your life but finishing highschool is one thing that I believe you really can't regret later in life. I went to private school and public school and the differences are so vast. Why don't you try to go to public school and see if you like it better. Personally I loved private school because the small classes let you get that closness with the people around you where even the people you hate still can put a smile on your face. Just learn to appreciate it because you need to finish. The statisctics of people with lower paying jobs compared to lack of a high school diploma is scary. College is a different story, if you feel you need to go to college, then go. I am going right now to get my english degree cause that is what I feel I need, But I have lots of college friends that dropped out and are doing so much better than me. One friend is running his own business making 40k a year another one is doing great as a driver, I have other friends and a sister that finished college and they regret having done it, because they found themselve going into a completely different fields after they got their degree or that they felt their degree really didn't help get a job as much as they thought it would. Personally I am going to college because I like to learn and college is a more defined learning, you take your basic courses the first two years and then you really get to delve into just the field you really want to, and I love literature so thats why I am doing it. Well good luck and FINISH HIGH SCHOOL! lol Robstalobsta listening to: Mirah Album: Advisory Committee  |
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09-07-2007, 01:52 PM
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| Study abroad Maybe this doesn't resonate with you, but my biggest regret is that I never did a study abroad program. Since HS coursework is easy, it would be a perfect time to go to another country and throw in a new culture and maybe a new language. I thought I'd put it off until college, but by then I was in more difficult and technical coursework (electrical engineering degree) and didn't want to leave my boyfriend (now husband). If you want to try it for your senior year, you should get started now figuring it out. My cousin tells me these wild stories about how he and his friends would skip classes. They would go into the school at the beginning of each period after the teachers had put the attendance sheets in the doors and change the records to indicate they had been in class. He had a little band of friends, so each one only had to go to the school like once a day to mark everybody present. He also liked hacking into the school computers. I'm not reccommending this, but it does sound more exciting than my high school career. I didn't mind high school too much, it was mostly just boring. I felt like I was just tolerating it, waiting for my real life to begin. When I graduated college and read about unschooling I felt like those years had been stolen from me.
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09-07-2007, 02:19 PM
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Here's what I do sometimes. Think back a few years when you were younger. Do you have any regrets from that time? Did you waste time on things that don't matter now? Now approach the same question five years from now. What are you doing now th |
