Providence or Piracy?

[spiritualentity]

Hi

Regularly follow Steve

As soon as PDSP was released I wanted to get my hands on a copy of the book.

Dont have kindle and the book hasn't officially released in India

Ordering from Amazon wld mean 1k - which is a high amount by most standards...

However held the intent...

Found the torrent...downloaded the book...printed it and read it....

Wondering what do I make of it - of course this is piracy - but then it is a result of my intention too....

For now I am not thinking too much about it, enjoying and applying the book

[Dreamline]

That is where the phrase "for the good of all" should be applied to your manifestations. I find that it's critical.

The universe is pretty mechanical when it comes to helping you manifest. It has no judgement, no morals, no sense of wrong or right. That is YOUR part in the process.

It will find the fastest, easiest way to help you manifest. If you wanted a Lexus and you drove down a street in a neighborhood and saw a man washing his Lexus and it was the exact model you wanted, would you stab him and take his car just because the universe showed it to you? Of course not. But that is what you chose with the book download. You assumed that just because it was there, it was yours.

If your manifestations hurt others, you aren't doing it right.

Jennifer

[AdamFl3tcher]

Why not make a donation for the cost of the book to Steve on the site? Best to do for others as you want them to do for you...

[spiritualentity]

@ dreamline

I would differ from the metaphor you have used.

In case of a knowledge product, the multiplication doesnt take away from the original, as compared to life - which is taken AWAY.

I would rather use the metaphor of a flower in a garden...you walk in, you pluck it...another one grows...

In an abundant universe, instead of attracting the means (money) I attracted the end (knowledge) and thats as good....

The question is, am I creating value in return for this - and thats the question I need to answer...

This is particularly tricky - becuase that would mean forwarding the book to others?

Again in my current financial state donation is not an option - would have ordered from Amazon otherwise - so will wait for that till the timing is right...

What thoughts?

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by spiritualentity

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The question is, am I creating value in return for this - and thats the question I need to answer...

A good question. What's the answer for you?

This is particularly tricky - becuase that would mean forwarding the book to others?

No of course not. You have stolen something. Sending the book to others would make it worse.

Again in my current financial state donation is not an option - would have ordered from Amazon otherwise - so will wait for that till the timing is right...

What thoughts?

So you can access the internet but you can't make money? How come? You can't save from your income to buy the book or donate to Steve? What can you do to change that?

Waiting won't help. It takes action on your part.

[AdamFl3tcher]

Originally Posted by spiritualentity

Again in my current financial state donation is not an option - would have ordered from Amazon otherwise - so will wait for that till the timing is right...

The time is never right for anything... you have got to make the time right!

[PresNevins]

Knowing that Hay House has a strange tendency to not release their titles as ebooks, I actually pre-ordered two paper copies when it first came out so I could make my own. Guillotined off the spine, ScanSnapped it, OCR'ed it, formatted it to eReader format, and now it's on my iPod Touch!

Since I paid twice and can only read one copy at a time, and have never shared it with anybody, you can use my ebook karma. Congratulations spiritualentity! You're now legitimate! Isn't manifestation great?


Like you, I knew from reading the site for a couple of years beforehand that when PDfSP came out it'd be good. In my case, it was worth the effort/expense of making my personal ebook, but if Hay House would just get their act together on this one issue (selling ebooks) it'd all be much easier... Not everybody's willing or able to pay international shipping and import duties and bla de bla. (And everybody outside the US is prohibited from buying the Kindle version, so that doesn't count either.)

I love my ScanSnap...

[Dreamline]

Con men use the same logic.

Here's the thing with these roundabout justifications:

An example:

If you are a person who owns a business and in your personal life, you never pay your bills on time, the dentist has taken you to collection, you resent him and feel he unfairly billed you, it's not your fault, he's ruining your credit....But then when karma gives you the same thing back insofar as your own customers aren't paying their bills, you are having to spend all this extra money taking them to collection....you are pissed off at them and you just cannot see the connection. I have a friend like this.

What goes around, always comes around. Law of karma.

If you have to even begin to formulate a justification for any action you take such as this book thing, you probably chose poorly and it will only be a matter of time before you are stolen from, in some fashion.

You aren't in the right mindset to truly manifest. But the universe and your higher self are laughing over drinks about the lesson they are trying to teach you that WILL get you in the right frame of mind to manifest. If you are open to the lesson.

In fact, if you did think it was all plucking flowers, a ok and justifiable...why did you start a thread to ask our opinion of it?

Jennifer

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Dreamline

If your manifestations hurt others, you aren't doing it right.

No manifestation hurts others.. that's what you just don't get.. and even if you are to hurt someone.. persay.. your only hurting yourself not others..

Originally Posted by Dreamline

Con men use the same logic.

Here's the thing with these roundabout justifications:

An example:

If you are a person who owns a business and in your personal life, you never pay your bills on time, the dentist has taken you to collection, you resent him and feel he unfairly billed you, it's not your fault, he's ruining your credit....But then when karma gives you the same thing back insofar as your own customers aren't paying their bills, you are having to spend all this extra money taking them to collection....you are pissed off at them and you just cannot see the connection. I have a friend like this.

What goes around, always comes around. Law of karma.

If you have to even begin to formulate a justification for any action you take such as this book thing, you probably chose poorly and it will only be a matter of time before you are stolen from, in some fashion.

In fact, if you did think it was all plucking flowers, a ok and justifiable...why did you start a thread to ask our opinion of it?

Jennifer

You know dreamline/Jennifer you have serious problems with judgment.. it's hard to see someone like you understanding "higher self" but missing the point.. Karma only exists for you if you let it..

Tell me exactly how karma fix's this dilemma since you’re obviously a expert?

Everyday us americans hop on the road drive our cars 10-100 miles a day.. during that discourse of a summer day.. we kill 10-100 bugs on average everyday.. since bugs are technically us (made of the same energy/particle) what will be our karmic revenge ehh??

What's hard to see for me here is.. in judging others, your judging yourself too.. there is no grand order revenge scheme in the universe what you would call "karma" it's just not that way in higher consciousness.. I think if you would like to advance a little you should drop good/evil and judgment and stop lecturing others/self

Originally Posted by Dreamline

You aren't in the right mindset to truly manifest. But the universe and your higher self are laughing over drinks about the lesson they are trying to teach you that WILL get you in the right frame of mind to manifest. If you are open to the lesson.

Let me be honest your higher self isn't laughing about what you’re saying.. if you were "listening" you would have a feeling of lack about these ideas.. that is communication..

What exact lessons are they trying to teach us??
The higher self does not judge.. ever!

You have skewed ideas of higher consciousness to fit your "ego" judgments..

This is my understanding Dreamline/Jennifer.. a advanced higher perspective is "allowing" of all things.. it allows good and evil ideas in play all over the planet.. it allows people to be themselves.. it does not judge them for any of their actions.. one day I hope you can understand this..

If you were able to truly read what you wrote.. you would see that what you wrote was from a negative/lack perspective.. and I am only trying to give you a neutral/positive one..

Providence or Piracy?
That was just good manifesting with listening to your guidance/intuition for actions.. congrats to you

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by themaster

No manifestation hurts others.. that's what you just don't get.. and even if you are to hurt someone.. persay.. your only hurting yourself not others..

Does this belief really change anything? Regardless if everyone is Me or everyone is Others, a "good" person will be doing the same good things. We're not going around punching people in the head, regardless if it's Me or You or not. I wouldn't intentionally hurt someone and then think, "Ah that's okay, I can do this all I want. It's only me after all."

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

Does this belief really change anything? Regardless if everyone is Me or everyone is Others, a "good" person will be doing the same good things. We're not going around punching people in the head, regardless if it's Me or You or not. I wouldn't hurt someone and then think, "Ah that's okay, I can do this all I want. It's only me after all."

Back at it again are we? lol

Alright as usual I'll just have to break your post into pieces.. cause like before it reads nonsensical..

Does this belief really change anything?

And the belief is..
"No manifestation hurts others"

This isn't really a belief but the truth.. but I'll go ahead and call it a belief..

A call back to my idea..

You hurt someone all the time.. every day you live.. cows are slaughtered for you, chickens are slaughtered for you (unless your vegan.. but even then stuff is still killed for you), rain water is melted for you on the polar ice caps.. birds are set alive for you so you can meet them later..

And more than that.. if you drive.. you kill insects.. in fact most americans are a-okay with killing insects/rodents in their daily lives.. if insects are you??? then, why do you kill them accidently or not???

Here's my point.. whether or not you go and punch one of yourselves in the head right now.. you've been punching them for a long time.. and you don't seem to have a shred of guilt about it.. you have guilt for killing the indians too via your ancestors??

Come on, own up to all your guilt.. how much murder are you really responsible for?

[Daffy Duck]

Originally Posted by themaster

Alright as usual I'll just have to break your post into pieces.. cause like before it reads nonsensical..

Nobody else seems to have trouble reading what I say. I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

This isn't really a belief but the truth..

Oh this is The Truth, is it? We'll see.

I read your post and see that you believe every little thing is ultimately all the same. We're all just different manifestations of the same energy. Therefore, things like pain, love, good, bad, and anything really... it's all a concept. An illusion.

Gotcha. I had temporarily forgotten you believe in this. Your previous post makes more sense in this context.

Come on, own up to all your guilt.. how much murder are you really responsible for?

You must be asking yourself since you are all that exists.

By the way I love killing mosquitoes. Those little bastards had it coming. They are my eternal enemy.

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In reply to OP, they already make a torrent for Steve's book? Wow. Anyway, I think you should try to make a donation to Steve if you want.

I never bought Steve's book either. I read it at the bookstore. Am I a pirate too? I suppose ultimately it's for you to decide.

[Dreamline]

Alrighty then! Someone left the dungeon door open again....

themaster, obviously you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions. I just happened to have different ones than you. Your world seems to be an interesting place. I'd like to travel there someday. But right now, I'm content in the real one.

Jennifer

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Daffy Duck

By the way I love killing mosquitoes. Those little bastards had it coming. They are my eternal enemy.

I agree with you

I haven't worked out all my *hate* of insect’s issues yet.. I'm not sure if this thread helps..

Originally Posted by Dreamline

themaster, obviously you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions. I just happened to have different ones than you. Your world seems to be an interesting place. I'd like to travel there someday. But right now, I'm content in the real one.

I absolutely respect your right to disagree, hope you can join me one day but you do what's best for you.. but be warned I may have to offer a differing opinion then yours in some cases

[Dreamline]

Absolutely.

I always choose what is best for me. What is best for me is whatever I choose in that given moment. So I can never be wrong. Isn't that special?

Jennifer

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by themaster

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And the belief is..
"No manifestation hurts others"

This isn't really a belief but the truth.. but I'll go ahead and call it a belief..
...

How do you know it is the truth?

Let's see... I run you over with my car. As I manifested this, no one got hurt.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by spirit4711

How do you know it is the truth?

1. These ideas fall in line with my previous scientific perspective holes on reality model
2. I can just feel the truth
3. I receive a type of communication/verification (not counting the great thing these forums are about LOA.. which is another great truth)

Let's see... I run you over with my car. As I manifested this, no one got hurt.

No one did get hurt if this scenario were to play out.. odds are it has (boggle the mind much??)

I could spend a while trying to articulate how no one got hurt.. but instead.. I'll just quote a teacher.. so I can keep it short and sweet..

"You are all part of a great play/stage performance.. when the theater curtain goes down.. you all drop your props and go have a party/celebration!"

[Trezker]

I decided I'd be nice to flies this summer, actually insects in general.
And like magic, they haven't been bothering me much at all. Only once has a fly bugged me in the morning and it was only for a very short time, usually they are eternally pesky and determined to turn my summer mornings into hell.

Filesharing doesn't hurt anyone. There is no cost involved, noone looses anything. The receiver just gains a copy.

If I could copy a Lexus off the street by bringing a pile of material the same mass as the car and magically turn my pile into an exact replica of the original Lexus at no cost, you bet I'd do it. Then I'd use my magic wand to make some cosmetic changes and change the logo (I don't wanna infringe on their trademark). I may donate a few dollars to the company as a thank you for the base design of my new car. Then I'd add a big "Inspired by Lexus" notice on the sides.
However, I'd only copy the Lexus if the company thinks it's ok for me to use their design.

Anyway, when they do release a valid version of the book that you can buy, you should. Hay house has invested in the product and deserves the money.