Any inconsistencies in the T/L/P framework?

[hmad]

I was wondering if anyone had some unresolved questions about the book or the framework. For me, it had to be DESIRE. Intuitively, I would have thought of it as a subset of LOVE rather than POWER but I could make a case for both. Could anyone clarify this for me?

[magi13]

why don't you pm the administrator, he wrote the book he should know. or check the questions and answer part of this forum and pm the moderators.

in my opinion it's a nice guideline which you can use to shape your life. did you try it yet? if not do so and judge for yourself and post what you found out.

if you don't want to try it, visualize a model in your mind and apply it to the characters you have created. <-- this method made me lots of money in business because i could predict how my staff/competitors would react given that i would create so many different situations.

good luck. you cannot just keep it inside your head, but apply it in order to know. or else you'll never know for yourself.

[Savage]

The section on Desire in the book is about claiming ownership of what you want and not allowing others to derail you.

Love helps you clarify what you'd like to connect with. Power (Desire) is about taking that small seed and building it into a fuel for decisive action.

I can sit around all day thinking about what I want (Love), and nothing will happen. But if I can get myself to the point where I'm dripping with desire for it, I will finally get up and take action to make it happen.

[Brutha]

why don't you pm the administrator, he wrote the book he should know. or check the questions and answer part of this forum and pm the moderators.

This forum is the right place for this kind of question.

[hmad]

thanks steve :-)

[supertom]

Anybody else believe there are inconsistencies?? it would be an interesting dicussion.

Im guessing there are apsects steve pavlina didnt include because they arent significant enough enough.

[supertom]

Anybody know how I can tune into my true desires??

[magi13]

Originally Posted by supertom

Anybody know how I can tune into my true desires??

I'll assume you already know what you desire.

What do you mean by tune? Making it happen, or living with it?

If it's making it happen, then there are two ways.

First is LOA, attract it, let your intention manifest action and make a place for that desire to materialize.

Ex. I want a new car, therefore I should have a driveway or park space ready for that car.

Second is, similar by making it happen via action. Sure you have suitable desire that you want a new car, but waiting for it to come will not arrive, until you save, make changes in your life and work hard to get that car. Which utilizes your intention and desire into action.

I believe in the second option, that's how I gain wealth. Sadly in the intention manifestation thread, we usually debate about it, since they prefer to manifest it through wishing for it, without doing anything.

If the problem is living with your desire, then we can tackle it this way. You have to accept that you have those desires. Sometimes such desires can frustrate a person if it doesn't materialize or bear fruit. The first and second examples above can be a means to achieve it.

Steve's new article can help you deal with the new acceptance thing. According to him you have to allow yourself to accept you deserve better, in this context I'm applying it in a way that you allow yourself to have such desires, which will fuel your fire in order to have a proper mindset.

Am I close to your inquiry?

An alternative is that you let go of your desire if it becomes a negative effect to your way of life and find a something new to rekindle your fire.

XXX

Another way I interpret your inquiry is that you don't know what you desire and you're trying to find out what it is. Sadly the only advice I can give you is that, only you can answer this question and find out what you really want. Reflect on it.

[supertom]

Actually nothing brings out emotions for me, all desires seem the same. I was thinking about this Overcoming Depression by creating a place like this, it will help to bring out my desires, like a place a can be more limitless, since its most like im blocking them because of timidity, cowardance and negeative conditioning.

[magi13]

Do you think your problem is motivation?

[supertom]

I have a powerful will, when really wanted something I had the power to do it, normally I became the best in whatever Endeavour i wanted but I thing is I dont have any desires anymore, I had one but that fell apart and made my life wost because of it, I think thats what is blocking me that painful past experience

[magi13]

I think I can relate with how you feel. Do you have plans in order to move forward?

[supertom]

yeah the aspects of desire, self detemination and responsibility has a really big effect on me, it taught me that my desires are important even if they seem silly or superficial to others. I plan to just spend countless hours jorunaling about things i want even if they're impossible and than try to connect with my life purpose. than i'll take it from there

[magi13]

Originally Posted by supertom

yeah the aspects of desire, self detemination and responsibility has a really big effect on me, it taught me that my desires are important even if they seem silly or superficial to others. I plan to just spend countless hours jorunaling about things i want even if they're impossible and than try to connect with my life purpose. than i'll take it from there

You have found the answer to your question then. ^^, I think this is the answer.

[supertom]

yeah thanks to you for working with me, havent had someone to support me in a long time lols , its gonna be hard trying to hit a target in the dark

[magi13]

Originally Posted by supertom

yeah thanks to you for working with me, havent had someone to support me in a long time lols , its gonna be hard trying to hit a target in the dark

No problem, I do believe everyone knows the answer to their problems. You did it by yourself, I just nudged to the right direction.

[Parthon]

T/L/P in dealing with desire is all three.

In truth it's gaining clarity about what you really want from life.

In love is connecting with what you want and really cherishing it.

In Power, it's using your truth and power to get into action to bring those desires to life.

In Oneness, you have your desires, but there are also your desires for all of humanity, and all of humanity's desires for itself.

In Authority, only you can decide what your desires are.

In courage, do you have the courage to go after your desires?

Desire is a part of life, and thus T/L/P can be applied to it. By itself it's not one of the core fundamental guiding forces in life like the major 3 are, it can be broken down, but it's still useful.

[hmad]

Originally Posted by Parthon

T/L/P in dealing with desire is all three.
Desire is a part of life, and thus T/L/P can be applied to it. By itself it's not one of the core fundamental guiding forces in life like the major 3 are, it can be broken down, but it's still useful.

Thanks Parthon. My personality type (MBIT) is INTP and we really love to analyze and dissect patterns to gain clarity. For me, not only is it necessary to succeed and get what I want but its highly essential that I figure out the 'How'.
Stephen Covey's framework is verbose and prescriptive (As in 'Think Win/Win', 'Sharpen the Saw' etc) while Robbins uses emotions backed by examples to hammer his point. You could say that Covey is more aligned with 'Authority' while Robbins is aligned with 'Courage'. For pure emotional and motivational lift, I turn to the Robbins and the like.

But when I need to make 'sense' of it all, I think Steve's framework is just brilliant. It gives me a logical tool to gain clarity in any areas in which I am lagging behind. I can see the big picture more clearly.The beauty lies in it's integration. The 3 basic principles are irrefutable. I have come to think of desire as as emotional hunger towards something. Truth identifies my want and love helps to connect with it.But if I don't use my power to add fuel to my desire, I won't succeed i getting what I want. Hence wanting is not enough. I must want it badly - I must desire it and this is where the power aspect comes into play. Desire is the highest form of wanting which cannot be turned on without power.

How about Faith? I thought that element was a big omission. My guess would be that it comes under Oneness.

[Parthon]

I think faith is a combination of truth, accpeting things just as they are, and love, connecting with what's most important to you. Putting your love in what you believe to be true.

Oneness is truth and love though, so does faith contain oneness?

[supertom]

interesting, where would curiosity come in

[magi13]

curiosity comes when one wishes to understand, but cannot so he or she wishes to know more. ^^, it starts from observation to hypothetical guesses, then through experimentation and data gathering, then results will be criticized by others then further testings. ^^

[Parthon]

What magi said.

Curiosity is a desire to find the truth. It's the feeling that there's hidden knowledge somewhere, and the inquisitive mind to go find out what it is.

[hmad]

curiosity would come under power. Its a self sustaining quest/desire to seek the truth and can lead to personal experimentation (authority) or an act of initiative (courage)

[supertom]

what is the TPL model anyway , "universal principles of successful conscious growth" or "all growth"

[hmad]

Originally Posted by supertom

what is the TPL model anyway , "universal principles of successful conscious growth" or "all growth"

All victories are first victories over self. Truth, love and power from within manifests into abundance and corresponding conditions without. Hence these principles of successful conscious growth can be applied to every endeavor. All material possessions are the result of the acquisition of that consciousness first. Stephen Covey calls it the Inside-Out approach. I hope I have answered your question.

[supertom]

thanks, also think its a method to live your most intelligent life or grow intelligently

[hmad]

where in the T/L/P framework would the first two needs of robbins '6 human needs" fit in
1 - the need for certainty/comfort
2 - the need for uncertainty/variety
Could anyone clarify it for me?
thanks

[Parthon]

I don't think those two needs are related to personal development.

Pwer, Love and Truth are the three fundamentals of growth. Alignment with them and you gain the ability to grow. Turn away from them and you'll decay and wither, metaphorically.

The need for safety and variety are exactly that, needs. You can use T/L/P to improve yourself to meet those needs easily. Like raising Power, Truth and Authority gives you more certainty in your life, raising Love allows you to connect to others for comfort. Power and Love help you connect with what you love doing and Courage allows you to go after new experiences.

[supertom]

I think persistence should belong under courage, what is persistence other than
courage + discpline, the persistence in the bok is more like consistency.

You could say im describing perservance

[hmad]

Originally Posted by supertom

I think persistence should belong under courage, what is persistence other than
courage + discpline, the persistence in the bok is more like consistency.

You could say im describing perservance

Let me explain you how i have come to think of persistence and why its under authority and not courage. You want to to ask a girl out on a date. You don't lack courage and do so. She declines saying that she has just broken up with her X. She reaffirms that maybe in a couple of months it might be possible once she gets over him. Aha ha!!! Now, you can persist knowing the truth - making an accurate prediction that with some effort (power) in the right direction(truth) your request will be accepted. Without believing that its possible, you are not likely to put in the work.
Does this help?