Any inconsistencies in the T/L/P framework?

[Parthon]

I think how a person breaks down or uses ideas in relation to the T/L/P model is very subjective, because definitions of non-fundamental ideas changes depending on someone's point of view.

Fundamental ideas though aren't subjective, they are very real and have an objective quality. That's why they can't be broken down.

The challenge is for all of us to learn how to apply them to all situations and benefit from their actions. As we align with T/L/P we increase our abilities. That's what it's all about.

Semantics just get in the way.

[supertom]

I get the sense you cant apply one aspect without applying a bit of another aspect because they're all connected.

Im sure not even steve fully understands them, hes the creator not a master.

[Parthon]

I think understand is the wrong word. Master would be closer.

Steve definately has mastered them, but there's still heaps of areas to grow and explore. If life is a game, then T/L/P is how you move.

[supertom]

Thats like saying einstein mastered e=mc2 is just discovered it(ok not really), like saying Newton mastered his works.

P.S this is a interesting discussion we have going, im learning heaps.

[Parthon]

You can discover the underlying principles, but then you have to master the application. e=mc^2 was discovered, but it was ages before it could be applied in the form of things like the atomic bomb.

T/L/P are underlying principles, which when discovered, or realised, make perfect sense. Putting them into practice though is a different matter, and the more you work on it the closer to Mastery you become. Even then, there's still more to learn, practice and get good at.

[hmad]

Originally Posted by Parthon

I think how a person breaks down or uses ideas in relation to the T/L/P model is very subjective, because definitions of non-fundamental ideas changes depending on someone's point of view.

Fundamental ideas though aren't subjective, they are very real and have an objective quality. That's why they can't be broken down.

The challenge is for all of us to learn how to apply them to all situations and benefit from their actions. As we align with T/L/P we increase our abilities. That's what it's all about.

Semantics just get in the way.

You are absolutely correct. I guess there are so many values which would have a combination of T/L/P and a pure T+L, T+P and P+L split would be hard to find. The whole English dictionary could theoretically fit into the framework. If consciousness were represented by a cube, T/L/P would be the 3 Coordinates on it to represent any position.

[supertom]

pretty much what I said

[Brutha]

Thats like saying einstein mastered e=mc2 is just discovered it(ok not really), like saying Newton mastered his works.

I think that Steve has an intuitive understanding of his framework.

Einstein didn't had such an intuitive understanding and Einstein didn't even liked the results of his theory his friend Kurt Gödel calculated based on Einsteins equations that time travel is theoretically possible and said afterwards that he doesn't understand math as he had problems with the solution that higher dimensional math provided.

[supertom]

Have you guys tried to apply the truth principles to learning new subjects

[Parthon]

All the time. It's the only way to learn.

[supertom]

Where does self-image come in?? most important for growth tbh

[Parthon]

If self image is aligned with truth then it becomes an accurate assessment of your abilities and talents, and where you can improve next.

If it's not aligned with truth then you sucumb to falsehood. The best example of this is aligning your self image with something external, like social status. Something so volatile makes it hard to judge what to do next.

If you align your self image with reality and truth, then you know where you are at and where you can go. That's what it all comes down to.

[hmad]

Self image would have love and power too.You use your imagination to connect with the things you want - mentally rehearsing your performances or having a certain object or relationship. You could also take it one step further and connect with people who will reinforce the self image you want. When I hangout with sportsmen and athletes, I automatically start feeling like one - the environment reinforces my self image

By using power, you gain control over yourself and establish your sense of integrity and hereby establishing a high sense of self esteem, self efficacy and self image. The more you are able discipline yourself (i.e. to exercise the gap between stimulus and response) and carry out progressive training - your self image will change since you would have proved it to yourself that you are determined. The confidence in your self will be real

I hope this helps

[supertom]

You have to be before you can do, a bit meta but doing and having is an extension of being, in the metaphysical you will have already "grown"

Metaphysical --> Phyiscal
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BEING ---------> doing having

From "life on purpose" book

[supertom]

still sucky at the love principle