A question about Truth

[Rose of Cairo]

Hey all,

I can see people around me who are
- pretty well aligned with Truth and Love, but tend to lack Power
- or aligned with Truth and Power, but could be better in touch with Love.

However, I can find nobody who's aligned with Love and Power and not with Truth.

I'm wondering, do you know such people?

And if not, does it mean alignment with Truth is absolutely necessary to align with Love and Power? I guess the answer is yes, I cannot imagine how someone could be aligned with Power and with Love but not with Truth.

Given that it seems to be possible to be aligned with Truth and Power but not Love, or with Truth and Love but not Power, basically Truth, Love and Power aren't equally important, right? Which means that the triangle isn't equilateral.

Steve's decision to make Truth the #1 principle seems to suggest it anyway, but I wanted to have your thoughts on this.

[Erin Pavlina]

I know someone who is very aligned with Love and Power but not truth. She has great self confidence and knows how to get what she wants. She's also very clear on what she connects with, who she connects with, and what she wants and doesn't want in her life. But she is dishonest in her dealings, and she refuses to see where her actions are going to lead her. She doesn't accept what is and lies to herself about it as well.

[Rose of Cairo]

Oh? Wow, cool! Thank you very much Erin

[Savage]

Very good question, Rose.

I've met lots of people with strong love-power and low truth. I run into them often in business, especially in careers related to sales and marketing. Such people often work hard and are externally successful and gregarious, but they live in denial of many of their problems and the effect they're having on others.

You will find a ton of people like that in the field of Internet marketing, for instance. Also network marketing. Lots of passion + lots of action devoted to selling products that very much out of alignment with truth and especially oneness.

Keep in mind that love is about connecting with what you want, and it's entirely possible to do that without being aligned with truth. Very often this happens when people center their lives around making money or becoming successful in their careers in a way that causes they to treat other human beings as dollar signs.

Such people quite often have addictions like smoking, caffeine, alcohol, porn, overeating, etc.

[Rose of Cairo]

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

I've met lots of people with strong love-power and low truth.

Okay, I believe you and Erin. So the triangle IS equilateral and TLP are of equal importance, would you agree?

I run into them often in business, especially in careers related to sales and marketing. Such people often work hard and are externally successful and gregarious, but they live in denial of many of their problems and the effect they're having on others.

You will find a ton of people like that in the field of Internet marketing, for instance. Also network marketing. Lots of passion + lots of action devoted to selling products that very much out of alignment with truth and especially oneness.

These people are aligned with Power and not with Truth, that I can see. But where's the Love? Does being passionate about one's job mean being aligned with Love? If they sell lots of products that bring no real value to their clients, that's not being aligned with Love, is it?

Keep in mind that love is about connecting with what you want, and it's entirely possible to do that without being aligned with truth.

Wait wait wait wait... Am I deeply misunderstanding the concept of Love? I thought being aligned with Love also means loving others, feeling connected to others, and wanting the best for them. Selling them useless things isn't very loving, so in my eyes such people would be out of alignment with Love.

Or do you mean these internet marketers sell only useful things for the very best of others and feel connected to others but are just denial with their own problems?

I'm confused!

Very often this happens when people center their lives around making money or becoming successful in their careers in a way that causes they to treat other human beings as dollar signs.

This is my eyes is definitely not aligned with Love!

And: so if I don't know exactly what I want, you're saying I'm not being aligned with Love?

[Yynatago]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

Wait wait wait wait... Am I deeply misunderstanding the concept of Love? I thought being aligned with Love also means loving others...

Love is not limited to other people. Love can be focused oneself. Love can even be focused on inanimate objects!

When one is aligned with truth as well is when people realise that we're all connected that love extends beyond the boundaries that were caused by lies.

Regards,
Yynatago

[Savage]

Love is simply choosing to connect. You can connect with money. You can connect with drugs. You can be really passionate about doing something destructive. In the context of the TLP triangle, Love is using your free will to connect with whatever the heck you want to.

It seems that you're confusing Love with Oneness (Love + Truth). Love by itself is simply the decision to connect (with anything), and its aspects are connection, communication, and communion. Oneness is where Love merges with Truth, and that's where we start bringing in qualities like honesty, fairness, contribution, etc.

There are a lot of people who feel very passionately about what they do and would go so far as to say they absolutely love it, even though it may be destructive. But to live in alignment with love but not truth is to be in a constant state of denial.

Some people, for example, would say they love drinking wine, even though the alcohol is toxic to their cells. Their decision is in alignment with love because it gives them an experience they want, but it's out of alignment with truth because they have to remain in denial of the negative health effects, as few would admit to regularly taking poison intentionally (as that would mean admitting stupid behavior). So they often go into denial by pretending that wine is healthy (fueled by phony wine-industry funded studies to support their cause). However, the simple truth is that they'd get more health benefits from drinking fresh grape juice or eating grapes instead. Similarly, I could claim that a bowl of blueberries with rat poison is healthy because it's high in antioxidants, simply by denying the rat poison and playing up the blueberries. Of course, Truth is a holistic package that can't be so easily fragmented, and the same goes for Oneness.

[supertom]

Connecting with "hardwork" vs "laziness" basically non-physical things, does love principle still apply

[Savage]

Originally Posted by supertom

Connecting with "hardwork" vs "laziness" basically non-physical things, does love principle still apply

Absolutely. Love is choosing to connect with anything -- people, places, events, activities, ideas, values, etc. You experience the emotion of love/joy when you connect with something that resonates with you at a deep level.

The long-term practice of the principle love is to connect with a variety of different things in order to discover which patterns you like best. I.e. what's the inner truth of who you are?

[Rose of Cairo]

I'm feeling a bit stupid now, everybody seems to understand your book and I don't even get the names of your principles. The more you explain, the less I understand.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

It seems that you're confusing Love with Oneness

I don't know. I really have a hard time conceiving "Love" without the dimension of loving others, feeling for them and the like. But I also have a very hard time seeing how I could love someone (myself or others) without wanting the very best for them. Is this part of Oneness too?

For me "loving chocolate" is no love, because I know it harms me. I can enjoy eating it because I'm addicted to sugar, but deep down I know it's not truly loving towards myself, thus eating chocolate for me breaks my alignment with Love. Same with loving others. Being dishonest towards others and selling them useless things is not aligned with Love in my eyes, no matter how much one might enjoy doing so.

I guess we're just using different definitions for the word "Love". I'll adapt to your definitions to talk about PDSP. But it isn't easy for me to stomach that someone who treats others as nothing but dollar signs is aligned with "Love"! Uuuuuugh, I need to go digest this one in some dark corner full of smelly orcs first...

Seen this way, a guy who always does what he wants and rapes little children because he totally loves raping little children is aligned with Love?

Love is simply choosing to connect. You can connect with money. You can connect with drugs. You can be really passionate about doing something destructive. In the context of the TLP triangle, Love is using your free will to connect with whatever the heck you want to.

Given this definition, how can someone NOT be aligned with Love? We're all connecting with something all the time.

You wrote that before meeting Erin, you were aligned with Truth and Power, but not so much with Love. I cannot imagine how you could study and not connect to your studies. You wrote "To connect means to give something your attention, to think about it, and to engage with it". I remember that when I was studying maths and computer science, I very much connected with my studies. I thought a lot about the things I was learning, about the theorems I had to prove. Sometimes it was like hugging, sometimes more like wrestling, but I definitely got engaged with the matter. I often got all passionate about some of the discoveries I made.

I cannot imagine how you could study without giving your studies your attention, thinking about them or engaging with them.

And even someone who doesn't particularly like his job and spends his evenings doing nothing of interest is connected: with the steak he likes to eat, with his daily watching TV, with the boss that he dislikes or his little routine that he's attached to.

I don't get it. How can someone not connect with anything? That's not possible, unless you are a robot and have no emotion whatsoever.

What am I thinking wrong?

[Savage]

I think you're just getting caught up in the semantics, Rose. You're bringing your own definition of love to the table, but the principle of Love is defined a bit differently. If it helps, feel free to rename the principle to Connection or something similar. The words aren't as important as the concepts.

When you're aligned with the principle of Love, you're actively connecting with what you want. When you're out of alignment with this principle, you're spending too much time connecting with what you don't want.

So if you want your morning coffee, and it feels good to you, you're in alignment with Love. If you drink it and want to quit but feel addicted, you're out of alignment.

A simple exercise you can do is to make a list of the 10 people you spend the most time with on a daily basis. Then circle the names of the people that you really like, the ones you feel good about connecting with. If you don't circle at least 7-8 names, you have an alignment problem with Love in terms of your relationships. That would indicate that it's time to pull out of the relationships that don't serve you and build new relationships that do.

[Parthon]

For me, the difference between Love and Oneness is this:

Love is loving yourself and others, connecting with people and being passionate about something, anything. It's cherishish what exists, valuing what's important and being open and kind as well.

Oneness is that also tempered by the truth: that we are all together, and that we are all one. That you as are much me as I am. That unity and the perfect world exists together only through mutual love and respect.

It's possible to love someone else, but still be seperate from them, and yet still connect with them. It's possible to say "I love you, but you and me are different." Some tolerance is love, when people say "We're different, but I still love you." There's no authentic truth in that.

Marketeers are ofter people who act out of love and power without truth. They are passionate about their work. They believe in their products. They believe that what they are selling is really great. They do want to change your life and love doing it. They think they have the power to do all that. But it all falls short. They lie to get a sale, or they overvalue/overprice the item itself. The product would be excellent, or not and the salesman isn't try to scam you, but because he isn't aligned with truth, it doesn't have the impact he wanted. There are many sites around the net advertising a quick fix product with pages and pages of talk and testimonials, but no truth. The product could be good, great or excellent, but because of all the hype and over marketting, people are let down or just don't buy it.

"Lightworker Syndrome" where people give and give and give until they can't give anymore is also indicative of that. They love other people and want to help them, and they also bring forth their power in order to help other people as much as they can, and they put everything they possible can into it. Then bam! Because they don't have truth, they can't measure how much is too much, they can't see who needs more help than others and they burn themselves out. They haven't yet realised that they need to recharge their batteries and make sure they are capable of living before they can support others. They don't realise that they have to be their best as well in order to do their best. They don't live up to their highest potentials because they don't invest in themselves. And they don't know why they are failing.

Passionate people who take passionate action and fail time after time, are also missing truth. They don't know why they are failing, they can't see where to move their efforts to in order to succeed, so they just keep trying harder and failing harder. They use more power, or more love, but it doesn't work. They need truth. That's not very intelligent at all.

If you imagine life as a game, you can play it passionately and play all out. You can help others and help them score. Without the rules though you don't know which team you are playing for, you don't know how to play the game and you don't know what the score is. You can't win if you don't know that, no matter how hard you play or how much teamwork you have.

A wordy post, but I hope it highlights the impact lack of truth can have.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Parthon

A wordy post, but I hope it highlights the impact lack of truth can have.

I thought it was very helpful. And...

They don't realise that they have to be their best as well in order to do their best.

I think this is very quotable. I'd rephrase it to say "You have to be your best in order to do your best." Voila, instant aphorism. Thanks for the inspiration Eric!

[InterfaceLeader]

My take on it was that Love was choosing to share part of yourself with something, whilst Oneness was letting it share back.

For example, a person can love another person, and seek to do what 'is best for them', but not listen to what they are saying, or act upon their wishes. For example, a parent who overcontrols their child, refusing to listen to any feedback. Or, a marketing person who believes they have the solution to someone's problem but refuses to listen to that person's actual experience and results.

Oneness, on the other hand, means allowing yourself to receive as well as give. You might believe a certain product or religion would bring someone absolute peace and happiness, but shutting down their voice means refusing to let them share back. Another example - teaching someone by lecturing them is connecting one way - Love - but engaging in a debate and allowing both people to learn and grow is Oneness.

Love is one way - you connect with something and transmit - data, beliefs, material goods, whatever. Oneness is allowing truth to flow back the other way.

You can love something and be in denial about the result your actions are having on them/it. Another example - you can love your pet, but feed it all the wrong foods and carry it everywhere instead of letting it roam about. You ignore all the feedback the pet gives you. Oneness would be about realising the truth of the situation, and giving the pet what it needs rather than what you think it needs.

At it's extreme, I think Loving something - a person say - and being in complete denial about the truth of the situation can lead to situations like stalking. The stalker probably honestly believes that they are meant to be together, that the person they love is just playing games, or they create a complete fantasy and ignore all the incoming signals that say the fantasy is false. Align that love with truth, and the stalker may realise they best thing they can do is back off.

[Bacatiza]

Originally Posted by InterfaceLeader

My take on it was that Love was choosing to share part of yourself with something, whilst Oneness was letting it share back.

For example, a person can love another person, and seek to do what 'is best for them', but not listen to what they are saying, or act upon their wishes. For example, a parent who overcontrols their child, refusing to listen to any feedback. Or, a marketing person who believes they have the solution to someone's problem but refuses to listen to that person's actual experience and results.

Oneness, on the other hand, means allowing yourself to receive as well as give. You might believe a certain product or religion would bring someone absolute peace and happiness, but shutting down their voice means refusing to let them share back. Another example - teaching someone by lecturing them is connecting one way - Love - but engaging in a debate and allowing both people to learn and grow is Oneness.

Love is one way - you connect with something and transmit - data, beliefs, material goods, whatever. Oneness is allowing truth to flow back the other way.

You can love something and be in denial about the result your actions are having on them/it. Another example - you can love your pet, but feed it all the wrong foods and carry it everywhere instead of letting it roam about. You ignore all the feedback the pet gives you. Oneness would be about realising the truth of the situation, and giving the pet what it needs rather than what you think it needs.

At it's extreme, I think Loving something - a person say - and being in complete denial about the truth of the situation can lead to situations like stalking. The stalker probably honestly believes that they are meant to be together, that the person they love is just playing games, or they create a complete fantasy and ignore all the incoming signals that say the fantasy is false. Align that love with truth, and the stalker may realise they best thing they can do is back off.

A word is defined by capturing the action (Sensory system) of an event. The word points to the event. Example: picture a container with water, the "container" will vary from person to person, by using the word container the sensory system randomly creates the picture( opaque/transparent, cup, glass, jar,bucket and so on), this is based on past events and how the sensory recreates the events. The word "container" is ambiguous. Using words that are approximate and/or precise clearly define the idea to the sensory system (brain). When an idea is coherent, approximate and/or precise words were used to convey the information. Love and truth is like the word perfect,these word do not exist by definition. The word perfect does not mean perfection, it is often used to imply, praising one or more persons for an accomplishment, no matter how difficult or mundane the task maybe. The idea is to recognize words by definition as well as the implication of the word, remember a word is a pointer to a definition of an event(captured by our sensory system) that is interpreted into a spoken language.

[Aleksander Krstic]

My mother. And I think the three principles are equilateral.

[Curtis2011]

Originally Posted by Rose of Cairo

However, I can find nobody who's aligned with Love and Power and not with Truth.

I'm wondering, do you know such people?

Unfortunately, I have an ex girlfriend who is this type

Although without Truth, the person's "Love" isn't really Love at all; just a facade.

[gigij]

Originally Posted by Erin Pavlina

I know someone who is very aligned with Love and Power but not truth. She has great self confidence and knows how to get what she wants. She's also very clear on what she connects with, who she connects with, and what she wants and doesn't want in her life. But she is dishonest in her dealings, and she refuses to see where her actions are going to lead her. She doesn't accept what is and lies to herself about it as well.

Wow - do we know each other ?

[ArthurHung]

I think I am aligned with truth, love and power. I also think my business partner and best friend, Jason Fonceca of SpiritSentient.com is also one who has the vibration of life. That's what I think the ultimate goal of even understanding anything about truth, love and power is, to transcend all 3 things and to have a life-affirmative attitude, or vibration of life.

[davisreed]

Love is very good felling between two people but When It is broken then It is the worst thing in the world. I know it that's why I am saying. Yes, Love is very great experience for the people. I suggest that Select a person who are loving to you. Please Do not select the person which you are loving.