How would a darkworker interpret Steve’s book?

[Daniel Birdick]

Let me start by saying hello. This is my first post here. I love the website, the articles and this forum. I also really enjoyed Steve's book. However, I am also a budding darkworker. I wondered to myself, how does one who is in the process of polarizing as a darkworker also make use of the concepts in Steve's book? So, here is my stab at it:

Truth: solipsism. The honest darkworker would have to concede that there is no way of knowing with absolute certainty if there are other personal consciousnesses beside his or not. The insight in solipsism is that it points this obvious truth very clear. Everything outside of the darkworker’s own personal awareness takes some kind of faith to believe in. The darkworker decides to put that faith in himself, his thoughts, his feelings, and his actions. From this belief follows…

Love: The darkworker’s personal happiness and well being become paramount since he can’t be certain of anything else anyway. He can’t think anyone else’s thoughts, feel anyone else’s feelings, or experience anyone else’s experiences, so he centers on loving himself. In order to do that to the fullest, the darkworker must embrace his personal…

Power: The darkworker must use his personal power to create a life he loves because he loves himself. The darkworker understands that if he is not lord of his circumstances, then he is not lord of himself. The darkworker, interested in increasing his personal effectiveness, must create within himself…

Oneness: For the darkworker, internal congruence or “oneness” is critical. He cannot be bogged down or distracted by internal fighting. It is more important for the darkworker to be one within himself than it is to be one with humanity. He can’t let what society calls “conscience” or “morality” limit his range of action in any way. He finds this task greatly accelerated when he takes complete…

Authority: The darkworker is his own highest authority, his own sovereign. He will neither bow nor bend his knee to anyone or anything else (unless it suits his purpose to pretend to do so). He will do what he must to get rid of any obstacle that lies in his path towards creating the life he wants. This will inevitably take…

Courage: The darkworker knows that he must channel his own fear first and foremost before he can be the man he wants to be, and that takes courage and fierce determination. The conscious darkworker would find that shrinking away from his fear is not only the way of cowardice, but also the way of mediocrity. He also finds a way to move out into the world, making his life what he decides to make it, meeting and conquering the inevitable challenges on his road to mastery and victory.

For the darkworker, this is intelligence at its best.

Any thoughts?

[Bleicke]

Well, it sounds like you're trying to become a sith-lord. It's all pretty well thought out, but I think you'll realize among the way that the best times in life are those shared with others.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Bleicke that's your opinion, not a guarantee that it will happen. I know you might find it hard to understand but Darkworking is a very profitable philosophy, somewhat similar to existentialism.

As for Daniel you seem to have a good grip on what Darkworking is all about. Just keep in mind that its all about intentions not actions and you can't go wrong.

[Savage]

That's a pretty good summary. To fully delve into all the details of how to apply these principles from a darkworker perspective would require a whole other book, but you got the basic idea.

[Daniel Birdick]

Originally Posted by Bleicke

Well, it sounds like you're trying to become a sith-lord.

Well, Palpatine was my favorite character!

It's all pretty well thought out, but I think you'll realize among the way that the best times in life are those shared with others.

Hmmm. The best and the worst. Besides, I didn't say I was going to become a hermit.

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Darkworking is a very profitable philosophy, somewhat similar to existentialism.

You know, I've always thought that there was a striking similarity to some aspects of existentialism.

As for Daniel you seem to have a good grip on what Darkworking is all about. Just keep in mind that its all about intentions not actions and you can't go wrong.

I completely agree on the importance of focusing on intentions.

Originally Posted by Steve Pavlina

That's a pretty good summary. To fully delve into all the details of how to apply these principles from a darkworker perspective would require a whole other book, but you got the basic idea.

Thanks Steve! I had a feeling you'd say that, although the validation is always appreciated. Maybe I should post some of my thoughts about applying these principles from a darkworker perspective...

[supertom]

when theres too many darkworker the body summons lightworkers... what happens if there is too many lightworkers......

[Daniel Birdick]

Originally Posted by supertom

when theres too many darkworker the body summons lightworkers... what happens if there is too many lightworkers......

What do you think happens? The Sith must rise...

[supertom]

Originally Posted by Daniel Birdick

What do you think happens? The Sith must rise...

I dont think so, cause light is real dark is not, a body in well-being wont get sick, it just doesnt make sense.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I think there will always be a balance (or over abundance of Lightworkers) because Darkworkers cannot work if they are the majority, they only work in a minority setting.

[Daniel Birdick]

Originally Posted by supertom

I dont think so, cause light is real dark is not...

Oh really? You wouldn't know what light is without the dark. Day is only day because of night. What is creation without destruction, or life without death? Both are "real" because they can't exist without each other.

[ProjectX]

So what would be the viewpoint of a lightworker?

[seeker5]

Originally Posted by ProjectX

So what would be the viewpoint of a lightworker?

The book is written from the viewpoint of a lightworker

[oBakasan]

Good post, Daniel. Your point on Oneness actually gave me an idea towards another mental dilemma I was pondering on recently. I'll post another thread on it and see that it generates some responses.

What is [..] life without death

Eternity.

[Daniel Birdick]

Originally Posted by oBakasan

Eternity.

Nice!

[Ecce Homo]

Is anything Daniel said actually true?

Although I get and largely agree with the lightworker/darkworker concepts, at least in general, I think a lot of people have a problem with it because of the whole neutrality issue. (Well, I think that’s at the very least one of the problems.) Steve repeatedly says that both paths are equally valid. I think a lot of us suspect that this isn’t true. I think we believe that the darkworker path by definition has to be riddled with falsehood while the lightworker path is a little closer to the way things actually are.

So, what’s the truth?

[oBakasan]

So, what’s the truth?

Whatever your heart says to be true. If you feel that the Darkworker path will bring you closer to your goals, take it. If you feel that you'd rather polarise as something else, please do. Whatever works for you.

Now on the other hand if you're biased against actual Darkworkers then that's a symptom of a deeper underlying issue that I won't discuss here.

With that said, being a darkworker may not make one evil, but most of us are Evil anyway so it's a moot point.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Good point ^ ^ ^

I received PDSP in the post yesterday and so far I am thoroughly impressed! Inspiring, thought provoking material that so far isn't too Lightworker Bias!

From a Darkworker perspective I can see how I can love others, I can see how I can feel oneness. It used to bother me that I had to disconnect, but now...now I think that maybe only Low level Darkworkers think that, maybe I am seeing the bottom of a higher rung on the ladder, so to speak.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by oBakasan

Whatever your heart says to be true. If you feel that the Darkworker path will bring you closer to your goals, take it. If you feel that you'd rather polarise as something else, please do. Whatever works for you.

Now on the other hand if you're biased against actual Darkworkers then that's a symptom of a deeper underlying issue that I won't discuss here.

With that said, being a darkworker may not make one evil, but most of us are Evil anyway so it's a moot point.

But is any of that true? I guess that may be my own problem with the polarity philosophy. It's nihilistic. I do understand nihilism and even agree with it in a way. But I've also noticed that certain states of mind and actions seem to go hand in hand with suffering and while others go hand in hand with joy. It doesn't seem likely to me that the darkworker path is one that will lead to joy and peace. I won't argue whether darkworkers are evil or not. I'm just talking about suffering and relief from it.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Good point ^ ^ ^

I received PDSP in the post yesterday and so far I am thoroughly impressed! Inspiring, thought provoking material that so far isn't too Lightworker Bias!

From a Darkworker perspective I can see how I can love others, I can see how I can feel oneness. It used to bother me that I had to disconnect, but now...now I think that maybe only Low level Darkworkers think that, maybe I am seeing the bottom of a higher rung on the ladder, so to speak.

Ok, I know these darkworker/lightworker debates are pretty tiresome, so I won't waste a lot of space trying to convince you or anyone else to change your mind. I'll just put this out there and leave it be. If it's true that you'll end up seeing through a nondual/oneness perspective in the end anyway as Steve argues, why not skip the middle man of darkworking and go straight for lightworking? It would be like placing your hand on a hot stove. Sure, you're free to do it. Sure, it's your choice. Sure, it'll "liven" things up a bit for you. And yes, I know, pain is ultimately equal to pleasure. Inflicting pain on yourself and others seems like an unnecessarily convoluted way to go about generating greater life for yourself though.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Why are you assuming that Lightworking is superior to Darkworking, Ecce?

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Why are you assuming that Lightworking is superior to Darkworking, Ecce?

I wouldn't use the word superior. I'd use the words "more truthful". Or maybe not. Maybe I'd say that lightworking is more closely aligned with emotional states like joy, peace, and insights like oneness. It's all well and good to discuss darkworking in theory, but in practice, living your life through the prism of exclusive selfishness looks very painful to me. Sure, it's an expedient way to get what you want in terms of acquisition, but it also appears to come with loads of needless pain, conflict and drama. I suppose if you really dig pain, conflict and drama, then darkworking is the way to go!

[Akashic_Librarian]

I used to think similarly, but, well I will share with you a small revelation I had today, whilst I read Steve's Book:

You can still love everyone unconditionally and be a Darkworker.

I can't describe how, I don't think it would matter if I did, I think it was one of those things you have to truly experience to understand.

[Ecce Homo]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

I used to think similarly, but, well I will share with you a small revelation I had today, whilst I read Steve's Book:

You can still love everyone unconditionally and be a Darkworker.

Well that would be a neat trick. I thought the whole point of polarizing as a darkworker was to make your self the highest priority in your life, even if that means hurting others in the process of achieving your goals. No, I don't think darkworking means you have to go around deliberately hurting people. I think it's more about being willing to if that's what it took to get whatever it is you want. Like I've already said, I've seen that kind of thing in action in my own life and it just doesn't appear to be the best way to create a joyful life. Ok, maybe competition is invigorating, I'll grant you that. I don't know. The whole thing seems a bit short sighted to me.

[Bruce Achterberg]

Originally Posted by Daniel Birdick

Oh really? You wouldn't know what light is without the dark. Day is only day because of night. What is creation without destruction, or life without death? Both are "real" because they can't exist without each other.

Interesting that you say that. I read an excerpt from a book about psychological empass that spoke about the idea of a "black sun" that radiates its own energy--energy you draw on and learn from during the dark times of your life.

It's just a conceptual framework, though. The whole idea of dark and light is rooted in fragmentation and separation--in thought. I see no fundamental difference between dark and light. All I see is life.

[ProjectX]

Originally Posted by Bruce Achterberg

Interesting that you say that. I read an excerpt from a book about psychological empass that spoke about the idea of a "black sun" that radiates its own energy--energy you draw on and learn from during the dark times of your life.

Like Batman?

[oBakasan]

But is any of that true? I guess that may be my own problem with the polarity philosophy. It's nihilistic. I do understand nihilism and even agree with it in a way. But I've also noticed that certain states of mind and actions seem to go hand in hand with suffering and while others go hand in hand with joy. It doesn't seem likely to me that the darkworker path is one that will lead to joy and peace. I won't argue whether darkworkers are evil or not. I'm just talking about suffering and relief from it.

I do not see it as nihilistic simply because nihilism is something that is wholly rejected by my entire being.

As for your comment on suffering, I fully understand that by following the darkworker path I will inflict suffering to those around me and to my own self. But that is a sacrifice that I am willing to take. I am not doing it for the happiness of finding peace, but for the glory of achieving my ambition. Even if I destroy my own body in the process, it is irrelevant so long as the goal is met.

Think of it as exercise. As each rep slightly rips my muscles and allows them to reform into something stronger, so is every bit of suffering or discomfort that I overcome allows me to become stronger than I have ever been before.