LoA Questions

[Ibanez]

Ok, I saw the secret and it was interesting and inspiring.

They saw that the great minds through history have used this. Are they referring to the exact principle or are they looking at what they wrote and seeing similarities between the two?

I guess this is just beyond positive thinking? What I gathered was that I must feel like I already own it?

I mean I've noticed stuff before like I'm thinking/learning about something the couple days before and I meet someone and they start talking about it. Is that an example? I'm confused.

[placebo]

What do you think, were Shakespeare or Einstein aware that they are using LOA?

[Wreck]

I'm new to this, just learning myself, but I'll take a stab at it.

Originally Posted by Ibanez

Ok, I saw the secret and it was interesting and inspiring.

They saw that the great minds through history have used this. Are they referring to the exact principle or are they looking at what they wrote and seeing similarities between the two?

Go to thesecret.tv, click on "Secret Teachers," then at the bottom "View Past Teachers." I think from what these great minds wrote, the deduction is that they used what we refer to as the Law of Attraction (LoA).

Originally Posted by Ibanez

I guess this is just beyond positive thinking? What I gathered was that I must feel like I already own it?

Maybe the best way to think about it is that this is how positive thinking works - why it seems to work for some and not others.

The idea is that you attract what you think about. Thinking with feeling or emotion creates a stronger attraction. So, if you think about wanting something, you'll attract more want. But if you think about having something, you'll attract more having it. Add the feeling of having it to your thoughts, and you'll create an even stronger attraction.

Originally Posted by Ibanez

I mean I've noticed stuff before like I'm thinking/learning about something the couple days before and I meet someone and they start talking about it. Is that an example? I'm confused.

I think this is what Steve P. would refer to as "syncronicities."

The thing is, the LoA works all the time, whether you intend it to or not, and whether you realize it or not. "Thinking positive" will tend to generate more positive outcomes and negative thinking will tend to generate more negative outcomes.

I wrote a post on my own experiences with the LoA, and how looking back I can see how I attracted both things I wanted, and things I didn't want, merely by what my mind was occupied with at the time. What lead me to the LoA was the idea that thought creates reality. Assuming this is true (and I believe it to be true), anyone should be able to look at their current circumstances and analyze their past thoughts and see how they got where they are.

What do you want your reality to be like? This is what we're all learning here, how do we use this Truth we're calling the Law of Attraction to create a better reality.

[thadroe]

Originally Posted by Ibanez

Ok, I saw the secret and it was interesting and inspiring.

They saw that the great minds through history have used this. Are they referring to the exact principle or are they looking at what they wrote and seeing similarities between the two?

I guess this is just beyond positive thinking? What I gathered was that I must feel like I already own it?

I mean I've noticed stuff before like I'm thinking/learning about something the couple days before and I meet someone and they start talking about it. Is that an example? I'm confused.

It's amazing how after watching the secret and reading about the loa, how much correlation I notice now among the great minds through history. Without calling it the loa, it's easy to see it's the same principle over and over again.

I must say I'm finding that just the awareness of loa forces me to practice keeping my thoughts focused on what I want to attract....and yes, it's definitely about feeling like you own it or are already in that place.

I'm definitely noticing a difference as I get used to implementing the loa. Another thing I'm finding is that I am really put off my negative people now. I'm finding it easier to not get sucked in by their negative attitude.

Thad

[Ibanez]

Go to thesecret.tv, click on "Secret Teachers," then at the bottom "View Past Teachers." I think from what these great minds wrote, the deduction is that they used what we refer to as the Law of Attraction (LoA).

Thanks, didn't see that before. Now I have a clearer picture. Interesting life story.

I think the hardest thing too is to stay with it. Because initially nothing may happen, but like the video said progress may just be around the corner.

[Ibanez]

Update:

It was my intention this week to manifest a dollar and low and behold walking outside today I found a folded up 1 dollar bill! I'm trying for 5 next week! I guess nothing is the limit!!

[thadroe]

Originally Posted by Ibanez

Update:

It was my intention this week to manifest a dollar and low and behold walking outside today I found a folded up 1 dollar bill! I'm trying for 5 next week! I guess nothing is the limit!!

Nice!

Maybe you should intend an odd number and see if it works, like instead of $5, intend $5.63...see if you get that exact amount.

Thad

[Akashic_Librarian]

Its quite possible that all great minds of the past became great puerly because of the LoA but you gotta tell yourself they never really existed and that all that exists is the now, you could hav ecome into existance right now and you wouold never know, because you could have created the memories, think about it.

[Ibanez]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Its quite possible that all great minds of the past became great puerly because of the LoA but you gotta tell yourself they never really existed and that all that exists is the now, you could hav ecome into existance right now and you wouold never know, because you could have created the memories, think about it.

True. It reminds me of Hill's Think and Grow Rich, the part about the Cargnie(sp?) secret.

It just seems hard at first to grasp the concept. Because in the video(The Secret) they make it seem like everything flows naturally, wealth comes naturally, money, etc. But everyone else is like work 60-80hrs a week, then you'll be rich.

But I realize I create my own reality. It's my duty to create my life.

[eternomi]

They saw that the great minds through history have used this

Yep. It's called immense focus (to the point that you lose sense of time and space), contemplation and persistance. None of the great minds of history just landed on success. Synchronicity was involved for sure, but it was possibly the result of their concentration and dedication, not the other way around...

At this point, I am thinking LoA is just a marketing vehicle for some (smart?) people to make money by polarizing people: "LoA works!", "No it does not", "But it worked for so and so", etc..

[Ibanez]

Originally Posted by outback

Yep. It's called immense focus (to the point that you lose sense of time and space), contemplation and persistance. None of the great minds of history just landed on success. Synchronicity was involved for sure, but it was possibly the result of their concentration and dedication, not the other way around...

At this point, I am thinking LoA is just a marketing vehicle for some (smart?) people to make money by polarizing people: "LoA works!", "No it does not", "But it worked for so and so", etc..

Nah, I don't think it's a marketing thing. I mean it that's the case you can state that about a lot of things can call them marketing schemes.

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by Ibanez

They saw that the great minds through history have used this. Are they referring to the exact principle or are they looking at what they wrote and seeing similarities between the two?

I was thinking about something. Wouldn't you all say that anyone who's successfully achieving their goals would be doing so because of their successful use of the LoA, whether they realize it or not? And that anyone not successful at achieving their goals would be because of the way they use the LoA?

[eternomi]

Maybe we are all beating the subject to death and it is reaching levels that don't make sense...

No great person in history, as far as I know, did anything because they were trying to be millionaires, or win the lottery, or land a particular job. They did what they did because they either got great pleasure out of doing it, or they wanted to eliminate a disease/condition/etc, or feed their curiosity that kept them up at night... In the meantime they used what LoA suggests: intense focus, passion, not accepting failure, action, patience, commitment, etc..

Now some dudes come out and say "Look these great people did these great things and here is the formula they used". They are not lying per se, but that formula worked only because of the particular purposes involved. It was for service of some kind; for the advancement of humanity in one way or another. You can't apply that formula to win the lottery, or get $5.63, or land a job...

Bottomline is, these people were serving a purpose higher than themselves whether they were aware of it or not. If your goal is to serve others, I am sure LoA will work wonders. Go Steve! If the goal is to benefit one's self, I doubt it will do much if anything.

Dormant forces come alive when you are a bridge from the source to the destination/purpose. As it flows through you, I am sure you get your share of it. If you are the destination, then nothing flows at all. Perhaps it's that simple.

[KeithHandy]

Originally Posted by outback

Dormant forces come alive when you are a bridge from the source to the destination/purpose. As it flows through you, I am sure you get your share of it. If you are the destination, then nothing flows at all. Perhaps it's that simple.

I like this ... maybe a good thing to do when you try to decide exactly what you're asking the universe for, is to keep the "big why" in mind, as opposed to the "little why". "Letting this money flow to me will be good for everyone because I will use it to _____." Kind of like writing a grant proposal, only to a more metaphysical provider.

[ScottLee]

Looking at it from Steve's perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to say that it's not so much an issue of helping others as opposed to helping yourself as it is that others are a projection of your own thoughts, and to ignore them would be to deny your own manifestations?

Just as denying that your physical body has anything to do with that manifested reality, denying that all the other people have nothing to do with it does not work either. Yet at the same time, there is only one consciousness - yours.

"I think, therefore I am."

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by ScottLee

Yet at the same time, there is only one consciousness - yours.

Whether there is only one, or a million, the result is the same. In either case, you could know you are omnipotent, or you could experience you are omnipotent. Without someone else to show to that you are omnipotent, you can only know your powers. I mean use it to help someone, not gloat about it.

As it seems to me, and like I said above, the magic ingredient for these powers to come alive is to get them to flow somewhere. You've got them. We've all got them. You just need something outside of you for them to flow. So you gotta think "you", not "me".

All the rest of the stuff Steve and a bazillion other thinkers, mystics and masters of eternity wrote about is to convince you that you are not just flesh and bones, you have these powers and they will activate once you think the right (you) way.

That's it! Really!

Now go do something, flow somewhere...

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by outback

Dormant forces come alive when you are a bridge from the source to the destination/purpose. As it flows through you, I am sure you get your share of it. If you are the destination, then nothing flows at all. Perhaps it's that simple.

Are you saying the LoA isn't always in operation?

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by Wreck

Are you saying the LoA isn't always in operation?

It is always in operation (even though I don't quite agree with how it is stated), but when you think "me me me", you are casting the powers away... When you say "you you you", you get them back.

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by outback

It is always in operation (even though I don't quite agree with how it is stated), but when you think "me me me", you are casting the powers away... When you say "you you you", you get them back.

Tell me more, please.

As I've said before, I'm new to all this and am just learning. Right now, my line of thinking is that the "me me me" would attract to you more "me me me." Example: I have have plenty of money to give, I'll have more and more money to give. However, if I have no money to give, I'll have less and less money to give.

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by Wreck

Tell me more, please.

First of all, let me put a disclaimer and say that my thoughts on the subject do not match up with the rest of the crowd here. If you want to know what LoA is, I am not the best person to ask, but since you asked me, I'll tell you my perspective. All my thoughts on the subject are actually in the following thread. Please give it a read and see what you think.

http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/i...-r-broken.html

In a nut shell, you get to pick a "theme" for your life and the rest unfolds based on that. Your thoughts and actions pick the theme. Apart from picking the theme, you don't have control over the specifics of the unfolding of events (This is where I differ with the LoA, S/R, I-M folks. They claim you create the whole thing whereas I claim you create the path, but events unfold on their own).

If you pick a theme of love, support, understanding, etc your "reality movie" will unfold in that direction. If you pick greed, competition, jealousy, hatred and revenge, then it will unfold in that direction.

Your job is to make sure your thoughts and actions are always aligned with the theme you pick for yourself no matter how the reality unfolds! There could be tricky situations where what unfolds might cause you to unknowingly change the theme you are picking!

You also have to keep in mind that the theme picking is both a conscious and a subconscious process. The way you've done the picking in the past will tend to have become automatic in your brain... you might have to dig in there and rip out the old ways and put in new ones.

That's it.

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by Wreck

Example: I have have plenty of money to give, I'll have more and more money to give. However, if I have no money to give, I'll have less and less money to give.

It is not about how much of something you have. It is the mindset behind the actions that counts. If you have $10 to give away, and you give it, then you are a "generous" person. If you are a bazillioniare and you have $1 million to give away and you do it, you are still a "generous" person. The sizes of the impacts are different, but the mindsets are the same.

Same idea applies to everything else. It is not really how much of something you have, but how you use what you have. I am guessing that if you end up controlling your "theme" well, you get to impact more and more people. For example, if you are generous and you are truely generous from "inside out", then you'll also end up getting lots of money to use it in the act of being generous. But it doesn't work from outside in. You can't wait until you have lots of money to be generous.

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by outback

It is not about how much of something you have. It is the mindset behind the actions that counts. If you have $10 to give away, and you give it, then you are a "generous" person. If you are a bazillioniare and you have $1 million to give away and you do it, you are still a "generous" person. The sizes of the impacts are different, but the mindsets are the same.

Same idea applies to everything else. It is not really how much of something you have, but how you use what you have. I am guessing that if you end up controlling your "theme" well, you get to impact more and more people. For example, if you are generous and you are truely generous from "inside out", then you'll also end up getting lots of money to use it in the act of being generous. But it doesn't work from outside in. You can't wait until you have lots of money to be generous.

Makes a lot of sense to me. I like the concept behind the "theme" thing because it implies working at a deeper, wider level. I have had some experiences that deeply resonate with his concept.

[eternomi]

I also think that "theme picking" works in the negative direction as well. You can pick themes of well-being, happiness and success for all; or you can also pick themes of defeat and harm for others to fulfill your selfish desires (Enron?)

However, if you are one of the harm intenders, you get in the flow of those who intend harm and there are lots of examples of these types of people in religious scripture and history. Sooner or later, these people end up getting harmed themselves one way or another.

I just wanted to point out that LoA (as I believe it to be) works for both good and evil, and the consequences are inescapable in both cases.