Law of attraction

[Rosie]

What do you guys think of the law of attraction? I've read the secret, and although it is very intriguiging, I am reluctant to take that leap of faith, and indulge in the potential luxaries the book promises. I am not much of a blind faith person to begin with, but I'm afraid that if I do what the book says, I'll become delusional. I'll start missinterpreting every coincidence as a sign that the book's claims are true. I think the only way to eliminate doubt is to experience it first hand. However, in order for that to be possible, I'd have to believe 100%, beyond any shadow of doubt, that law of attraction is a fact. How could I possibly do that if have not yet convinced myself?

[Shamou]

As I have stated many times, my take on the law of attraction is that, "Your thoughts and feelings tend to attract what will happen in your life..."

You will notice that I said, "tend to attract..." because it is not an absolute law by any stretch of the imagination...

That is the way that I have used the law of attraction in my life for decades... and it has been extremely effective for me... but, I don't count on that alone to get the things that I want... I am also a very strong believer in taking "MASSIVE ACTION" to get whatever it is that I want...
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[Angela]

Rosie, pick up a copy of "Ask and It is Given" for another view of the Law of Attraction. The basis of this book is the power of deliberately thinking thoughts that feel good when you think them, and aligning what you want with how you feel about what you want. There's no need to take a leap of faith at all, and no delusion or coincidences; this is all about feeling good right here and now, being grateful, and really seeing that everything you want is already here. Why wait?

p.s. "massive action" is Shamou's middle name, but not everybody agrees that it is required in order to generate what you want in life. You'll see a lot of debate (to put it mildly) about that difference in belief in other threads.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Angela

p.s. "massive action" is Shamou's middle name, but not everybody agrees that it is required in order to generate what you want in life. You'll see a lot of debate (to put it mildly) about that difference in belief in other threads.

I could resent that... but since you have long legs and above average chest (by your own admission) I'll let it go...
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[Angela]

Hey there, Shamou. What is there to resent? I meant no offense.

I'm glad my self-professed anatomical advantages are easing my way through life.

Lots of love,
angela

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Angela

Hey there, Shamou. What is there to resent? I meant no offense.

I was not totally serious about the "resent" part... but I saw it as a chance to score points...

But, I gotta get out of this thread before I'm accused of hijacking again...
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[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Rosie

What do you guys think of the law of attraction? I've read the secret, and although it is very intriguiging, I am reluctant to take that leap of faith, and indulge in the potential luxaries the book promises. I am not much of a blind faith person to begin with, but I'm afraid that if I do what the book says, I'll become delusional. I'll start missinterpreting every coincidence as a sign that the book's claims are true. I think the only way to eliminate doubt is to experience it first hand. However, in order for that to be possible, I'd have to believe 100%, beyond any shadow of doubt, that law of attraction is a fact. How could I possibly do that if have not yet convinced myself?

Heh, do a search for the law of attraction and you'll find some highly entertaining threads with a few of us going at each other's throats

The fact that you question the books claims, and that you're aware of the possibility of self-delusion, is a good sign that you won't succumb. If you keep that up, continue to question, and continue to obverse and question your observations, then you won't become deluded.

But also consider the alternative. Say you did fully believe, and that in reality you were deluding yourself? What would that mean for your life? If you're focusing on positive thoughts and feelings and you attract positive events and people into your life as a result, does it matter to you if you're wrong about how the two are related? (note that these questions are not intended to reflect my opinion. Just encouraging you to consider all sides)

In the end if the law of attraction really works, then it should work regardless of whether or not you believe in it.

Shamou: Stop hijacking threads!

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

In the end if the law of attraction really works, then it should work regardless of whether or not you believe in it.

Mark this is an excellent point.

My own scepticism in our ability to understand it and pin point it's effectiveness derives from the fact that there are and can be so many variables in the mix e.g. a person's beliefs, the degree of desire, the type of thing desired (as I mentioned in an earlier thread, if you wanted to be a concert pianist or Olympic athlete, much action would have to accompany the desire), serendipity, timing, awareness, and co-relation. There are too many factors to consider before you can make blanket statements about it. Yes, there are many wonderful examples of people wanting something and pooff somehow it happened. But what actually took place and how? In most of those instances the person didn't even spend much time thinking about or trying to attract it.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

...In most of those instances the person didn't even spend much time thinking about or trying to attract it.

This is supposed to be the key though. Be positive, feel good, get "in tune" with the universe, and stuff just starts coming at you, instantly. It doesn't need you to consciously "think" about it, thinking is just the ego using words and "catching up" to what you really want anyway. You just keep feeling good and good things keep coming your way. No struggle, no strain.

Life should not be easy! Struggle, Suffer, Strain, Sacrafice™!

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by cylon

This is supposed to be the key though. Be positive, feel good, get "in tune" with the universe, and stuff just starts coming at you, instantly. It doesn't need you to consciously "think" about it, thinking is just the ego using words and "catching up" to what you really want anyway. You just keep feeling good and good things keep coming your way. No struggle, no strain.
Life should not be easy! Struggle, Suffer, Strain, Sacrafice™!

This may or may not be true in many cases. That's actually my point. It's hard to determine.

As far as I'm concerned struggle, strain and suffering are subjective. One person's struggle could be another person's exercise in building resistance, discipline, and mental muscle. I consider that a good thing. If everything in life were easy, we would be mush.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Heh, do a search for the law of attraction and you'll find some highly entertaining threads with a few of us going at each other's throats

The fact that you question the books claims, and that you're aware of the possibility of self-delusion, is a good sign that you won't succumb. If you keep that up, continue to question, and continue to obverse and question your observations, then you won't become deluded.

But also consider the alternative. Say you did fully believe, and that in reality you were deluding yourself? What would that mean for your life? If you're focusing on positive thoughts and feelings and you attract positive events and people into your life as a result, does it matter to you if you're wrong about how the two are related? (note that these questions are not intended to reflect my opinion. Just encouraging you to consider all sides)

In the end if the law of attraction really works, then it should work regardless of whether or not you believe in it.

Shamou: Stop hijacking threads!

It does work, you just don't get, and don't want to get the basics. Just like that. You get exactly your beliefs. That is, doubts, no experience, coincidences, delusion, websites. You attract and see everything you need to back it up. I get what I believe, experiences, results, delusion, websites, and attract everything to back it up, despite your disbelief. Its simple, for me anyway. You can't fool yourself. Outer words won't overule your true choices and beliefs. They'll shine through. You feel that you have a lot to lose if you are wrong. All the philosophical debate, expertise and argument, all for nothing...so much of yourself invested in it. Yet, it could all be changed in an instant. What have you got to lose. Thats the real issue, you fear that you will be deluded, hoodwinked, and lose what you view as yourself, your image, your pride. The logical philosopher saviour and teacher. Fear stinks.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

This may or may not be true in many cases. That's actually my point. It's hard to determine.

Well this is something that is experienced on an individual level. I suppose in the end it doesn't really matter what works for other people, just what works for you. I have experienced this for myself, that when I am not caught up in thinking and planning, the things I want to happen just happen, with basically no effort on my part. Now I remember this is what is in Ask and it is Given as well.

I guess you either believe that you're in tune with Source or not, many people who believe that they are, see their lives change dramatically.

In any case you have helped me clarify my feelings on this, without even trying!

[ZHereford]

@ Uplift.

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to attract everything you desire. If we received everything we wanted when we wanted, I see that as unnecessary indulgence. Personal development, building character and integrity to me are more desirable to attain, and by definition, not easy.

If that's not true for you, then that's okay. Not everyone has to subscribe to your experience and understanding of LOA.

As has been stated already, the enjoyment of these discussions in the forum is that not everyone agrees with each other. That's what makes it interesting and a learning experience.

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by cylon

In any case you have helped me clarify my feelings on this, without even trying!

Then it's all worth it!

Whenever ideas are challenged or questioned it clarifies the issues and that's a good thing.

For the record, I have had such experiences myself, however they've been unpredictable (sometimes things happened, sometimes they didn't) which is why I find it hard to define it in absolute terms.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

@ Uplift.

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to attract everything you desire. If we received everything we wanted when we wanted, I see that as unnecessary indulgence. Personal development, building character and integrity to me are more desirable to attain, and by definition, not easy.

If that's not true for you, then that's okay. Not everyone has to subscribe to your experience and understanding of LOA.

As has been stated already, the enjoyment of these discussions in the forum is that not everyone agrees with each other. That's what makes it interesting and a learning experience.

Hilarious, see, you've done it again. Defined perfectly your reality, despite mine. You see whatever you choose to. I have awesome, awesome character, integrity and caring references, utterly awesome...mind boggling. You want something negative for me. Spirit is the best for all, so your want doesn't gel with or effect me. Not my choice or reality. In my reality, you get equal to me, in your own way, if you want it.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Uplift

It does work, you just don't get, and don't want to get the basics. Just like that.

Originally Posted by Uplift

You see whatever you choose to... You want something negative for me.

Listen to your own words Uplift. I didn't say it doesn't work. Just that it doesn't rely on belief to work. That's what a law is, a description of how the universe works. At the core the law of attraction is an apt description. That it's often surrounded by extra, distracting concepts doesn't make it any less accurate.

Finally, in general I don't mind people analysing me, but if you do it again, please try to do it more accurately. At least then your words might be of some small use.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Listen to your own words Uplift. I didn't say it doesn't work. Just that it doesn't rely on belief to work. That's what a law is, a description of how the universe works. At the core the law of attraction is an apt description. That it's often surrounded by extra, distracting concepts doesn't make it any less accurate.

Finally, in general I don't mind people analysing me, but if you do it again, please try to do it more accurately. At least then your words might be of some small use.

You analyse those you feel you must and can save. Yet you have no proof of being qualified or capable of saving anyone. You instantly assume and require a reality of negativity for those you need to save, to justify yourself, at their expense.

[Mark Lapierre]

Originally Posted by Uplift

You analyse those you feel you must and can save. Yet you have no proof of being qualified or capable of saving anyone. You instantly assume and require a reality of negativity for those you need to save, to justify yourself, at their expense.

Aside from being incorrect, this is also irrelevant to Rosie's thread. If you have an issue with me, take it up with me in private, or start a new thread.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Mark Lapierre

Aside from being incorrect, this is also irrelevant to Rosie's thread. If you have an issue with me, take it up with me in private, or start a new thread.

It is relevent, you assume a position of superiority, with no evidence to suggest it, and concoct wild scenarios of delusion and danger, again, with minimal or no evidence, ignoring the numerous offered examples of success, labelling them, and thus the writers as delusional, in order to justify your belief. I have no interest, or reason to have interest in any private contact with you.

[Tam9]

Originally Posted by Uplift

I have awesome, awesome character, integrity and caring references, utterly awesome...mind boggling.

Who assumes a position of superiority?

Originally Posted by Uplift

you assume a position of superiority....

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Tam9

Who assumes a position of superiority?

I have those references. Deluxe isn't it. I'm stoked. The context was an answer to a poster who raised the issue of whether or not those attributes were important to me.

I dont post statements, and concoct unfounded scenarios about saving anyone who does or believes something I can't, or dont. Nor do I label those people as misguided or delusional.

[Dan.Linehan]

This conversation seems to have become unproductive.

It seems to have less to do with the LOA... and more to do with personal issues?

Closing thread for 24 hours for review.