When you intend to manifest a desire, how often do you think about it?

[Peleke4]

The following is an excerpt from a book about the Law of Attraction:

"The key to bringing something into your experience that you desire is to achieve vibrational harmony with what you desire. And the easiest way for you to achieve vibrational harmony with it is to imagine having it, pretend it is already in your experience, and as you practice those thoughts and begin to consistently offer that vibration, you will then be in a place of allowing that into your experience."

How often are to think about what it is you desire? I know everyone is different. I personally visualize and FEEL my desire being in my life already for a few minutes twice daily: upon waking up and before sleeptime. Sometimes my desire will even cross my mind several times throughout the day, sometimes none at all.

I'm asking because it seems there's different opinions on this. For instance, someone versed in Chaos/Sigil Magick advised that when you send your intend or will into the universe (if you're familiar w/ this, you know it's done by charging the sigil), it is necessary to completely forget about your intent/will; absolutely no thinking/imagining your intent/will... this method seems to go against what is advised in other literature which is to imagine and feel your intent/will or whatever it is you desire. any thoughts?

[cylon]

I would think that it's not enough to just do it a few times, although during the day it's easy to get sidetracked. If you can control your thoughts, you will be able to consistently live in the new reality you want, 24/7, without thinking or "trying". Why "try" when it's already there?

[Shamou]

What has worked best for me, when manifesting anything that is really important, is an intense focus... bordering on obsession... accompanied by massive action...

Little efforts, both passive and active, are needed to climb a molehill... but, when facing Mount Everest... only one mindset is acceptable... and that is, "Whatever it takes...!!!"

There are coincidences... but no miracles... you want it... gotta do what it takes...
.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Peleke4

The following is an excerpt from a book about the Law of Attraction:

"The key to bringing something into your experience that you desire is to achieve vibrational harmony with what you desire. And the easiest way for you to achieve vibrational harmony with it is to imagine having it, pretend it is already in your experience, and as you practice those thoughts and begin to consistently offer that vibration, you will then be in a place of allowing that into your experience."

How often are to think about what it is you desire? I know everyone is different. I personally visualize and FEEL my desire being in my life already for a few minutes twice daily: upon waking up and before sleeptime. Sometimes my desire will even cross my mind several times throughout the day, sometimes none at all.

I'm asking because it seems there's different opinions on this. For instance, someone versed in Chaos/Sigil Magick advised that when you send your intend or will into the universe (if you're familiar w/ this, you know it's done by charging the sigil), it is necessary to completely forget about your intent/will; absolutely no thinking/imagining your intent/will... this method seems to go against what is advised in other literature which is to imagine and feel your intent/will or whatever it is you desire. any thoughts?

I find trust is more important than frequency. We can visualise and affirm all day long, but if we simple don't trust the creative power, the words and pictures are meaningless.

Often people will think a bigger goal needs more focusing, but I consider it just needs more trust. When you know something is true, you don't have to know all day long, because that can imply doubt.

Physical effort is required on some level, but I've found that action for the sake of movement is counter productive without the necessary plan of action which arrives effortlessly when you trust the source. Massive action can undermine your goal, for who can tell how much action is required until the plan is revealed. Massive action may be required, but what if some very non massive action was the true way forward and you went berserk, spinning your wheels and getting frustrated when nothing happens?......just seems to undermine the trust.

Max

[nightdiamond]

I think both ways are true enough, not too much of an extreme for either one.
For example, for the letting go part, it's interesting of the examples of people who have went to bed thinking of a problem before going to sleep, then having either have a dream about the problem even the solution, or just wake up the next morning with an "AHA!"

Then for the intense desire and focus part, you have the examples of people who were just DETERMINED to have something even putting a picture of it on a wall.... then it actually shows up to them in an almost miraculous way. It seems to work especially with children if you've ever read or heard about the stories...

Actually I think there's nothing wrong with wanting to manifest something really strong, with strong desire, because it does something to your mind; it motivates it..and it actually may automatically influence you to take a certain step in order to achieve that goal or manifestation ( like making you to be at a certain place at the right time, or saying something at the moment that will get enough attention so that you receive what you wanted).
That's why I am on the side of taking action, because the more you do, the more places you are at, the more likely you will run into your manifestation.
You may actually be psychically influencing yourself to be at the right place at the right time in order to get your manifestation.

Simply sitting at home or doing less may make it lest likely.

I think a good way to let go is by actually telling your mind you're leaving it for your mind to handle it for a bit, but you'll be back later to continue focusing.

[Arboretor]

If it is really a DESIRE, you will think about it all day... You can't do otherwise. I know...

[Niki]

You only have to plant the seed once, but you have to keep giving it water. Because if you dont do that, your plant is going to die. Not coming out. It was growing doh, but it never stuck his head outha the sand.
I think it's more important HOW you think about it, then HOW MUCH you think about it. Like max power says: Trust is the key. You only have to ask once, then it's the universe doing his job, and then it's back to you. You have to recieve what you are getting. You have to open yourself to what your asking. Get in line with what you want. KNOW that it is allready there. Feel that it is allready there. Be happy that it is allready there. (thats now problem if you really believe it's allready there). Focus on having it, not on lacking it. Think about owning it, not about not yet owning it. Offcourse you have to acknowledge that it's not yet physically with you. But you can bet all your money on it that it will arrive.

[Anagogy]

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Don't encumber your intent/desire with fear of any kind. Fear will separate you from your desires. Love and trust will unite you with your desires. A truly peaceful mind never even has to intend, desire alone is sufficient for manifestation to occur. A fearful person will weave the manifestation of separation into every area of their lives. People in the middle utilize intent and affirmations.

So we have:

1) The fearful person -- the neglectful gardener of their manifestation
("Could use some water, but lets dump cyanide on it instead...")

2) The disciplined person -- careful gardener
("If i water this plant 3 times a day, it will definitely grow")

3) The peaceful person -- always accidentally stumbles upon just the right plant/manifestation.
("Wow, where are all these flowers coming from?!?")

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[cylon]

Anagogy, the peaceful method doesn't seem like enough hard work.

Shouldn't I be TRYING really hard? (slightly sarcastic)

Is it really this damn easy?

You're saying that you don't have to come up with certain things you want... obviously there will be desire somewhere along the line. How can you stumble into stuff if you're not looking for things to stumble into?

(this is slightly rhetoric, because I think you're onto something. But, it's not enough hard work for my mind to grasp)

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by cylon

Anagogy, the peaceful method doesn't seem like enough hard work.

Shouldn't I be TRYING really hard? (slightly sarcastic)

Is it really this damn easy?

You're saying that you don't have to come up with certain things you want... obviously there will be desire somewhere along the line. How can you stumble into stuff if you're not looking for things to stumble into?

Not exactly. I was making a distinction between desire and intent. Almost everybody has wants (desires), and people who utilize LoA often use intent or the affirmation of will to achieve that desire. When you eliminate the manifestation of conflict from your consciousness, you are also eliminating the manifestation of separation. In such a case, LoA becomes superfluous, because you never encounter a situation so negative that you have to utilize your own will to effect a change in reality.

The thing is, you are everything you encounter. All divisions are arbitrary. Much of your human perspective is derived from the fact that you perceive yourself to be separated from the world you encounter. So much of the reality is encased in the interpretation of seemingly material mechanical events. So called "work" is not "hard" when conflict is dispelled from your consciousness. You may appear to be highly active, and some misinformed person (who is also part of yourself remember) may come along and say, "wow you are working hard!" But the truth is, you are just active. No negative interpretation of the seemingly "hard" actions need be applied.

All the forms you encounter are you. They are sybolically projected parts of you. Uprooting conflicting beliefs, thoughts, and conceptualizations from your mind can be intense "work". But the benefits are too innumerable to mention. I can offer you the contrasting analogy between a body that is cancer ridden and trying to destroy itself, and a body that is healthy, energetic, and in harmony with all its parts. Right now you think you are a cell in that body, but in reality you are the whole enchilada.

So stop trying to destroy yourself!

[cylon]

Thanks for the reply, I'm also enjoying reading some of your other posts.

I guess I should keep an eye on that self-destruction thing.

So much has happened to me in a relatively short amount of time, and frankly some of it is confusing me, because I am trying to understand what I am experiencing like my life depends on it... all that mental clutter. Guess I'm applying the work hard ethic to being relaxed. I don't think they go together so well.

Ego/time/subjective/objective/intention/non-desire... not the sort of thing our Western culture really gives us the tools to understand. And I've been reading about this sort of thing for YEARS (basically, the Tao, lots of alan watts, and my whole "falling away" experience from the church) but only now am I starting to feel things happening in my life. Must be on the right track. Just have to chill.

<--- end ramble.

[fascinoma]

I did this. I wrote love letters to the person I was manifesting. I wrote songs for her. I talked to her.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by cylon

Anagogy, the peaceful method doesn't seem like enough hard work.

Shouldn't I be TRYING really hard? (slightly sarcastic)

Is it really this damn easy?

You're saying that you don't have to come up with certain things you want... obviously there will be desire somewhere along the line. How can you stumble into stuff if you're not looking for things to stumble into?

Oh, there are a couple of different explanations.

Some people carry certain inherent deep beliefs about the universe. These beliefs are abstract and non-specific in nature.

For example you may carry a deep belief that "most people are really quite good, nice people, once you get to know them". What then happens next is that as you go around in life, you will tend to meet a nice boss, a nice friend, a nice salesgirl, a nice car salesman, a nice doctor, nice neighbours, nice colleagues etc.

So you see - it's not that you set out to deliberately manifest a nice boss or whatever, through using some specific LOA method. What simply happened is that since you, at a deeper level, inherently believe in the niceness and goodness of most people, you will just "stumble" on a nice boss, even though you weren't specifically looking for one.

Now, the tricky thing about "trying" hard is that trying hard often gets bound up with the lack/absence of what you're trying hard to get, do and become. Eg if you manifest for a "nice boss", then this means that currently, you believe that your boss is not "nice". That belief, in turn, has a tendency to bring about the existence of a "not-nice" boss in your reality.

The harder you have to try, the stronger the belief/thought that you don't currently have the thing you're trying to achieve.

[cylon]

Thanks ALG.

I guess the misunderstanding I have, is if I have goals, things in life I want to attain, I would need to be very specific about them, see myself as having them already... but to do that I have to at some point acknowledge that I don't have that specific thing yet, right?

But maybe I'm making this too difficult. I could see myself as having it now, and just go about my life knowing it's already real.

[nightdiamond]

Don't be afraid to play with this either...when you have time and are relaxing or in meditation, or just before bed, really imagine and feeling having what you want in the exact way you want as if you didn't take this seriously; like having a nice boss with the exact color hair of your choosing. And then saying I want to have this boss by (insert date here) or I want this boss right now. Say it a few times to yourself like a broken record almost.

By playing with it I mean give yourself permission to be a little wild, demand it show up by tomorrow, admit your doubts to yourself, ask where is it, keep saying I expect him to show by tommorrow. It may sound crazy, but this is your play/ experiment time. Try when deeply relaxed like before going to bed, and for at least 30 minutes, take some time to do it.

Experiment with your mind, see what it does.....

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by cylon

but to do that I have to at some point acknowledge that I don't have that specific thing yet, right?

CY,

You're getting very close to the truth....can you see it??.............

Max

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by fascinoma

I did this. I wrote love letters to the person I was manifesting. I wrote songs for her. I talked to her.

And have you been successful in the end? (I LOVE happy ends... )

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Max Power

CY,

You're getting very close to the truth....can you see it??.............

Max

I am? Maybe so. I'm getting close to something.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by nightdiamond

Experiment with your mind, see what it does.....

I will. Your method sounds fun, and I don't want to take this stuff too seriously!


<---like that.

Actually.... all these things keep happening to me. I am noticing the things that are obvious, I keep having conversations, or think about something, and that's like the "theme for the day" where everyone I come into contact will bring up that same subject, then to make it more trippy it will be on tv in some form.

When these things happen I'm not doing anything except thinking how weird it is. If I don't have to do anything for that, I wonder why I have to do something really hard to get the things I want. Or why I'm even seeing a distinction between the two.

[nightdiamond]

Some of the most weirdest experiences I've had came with just playing with this, being a little crazy and wild just for a while. If I told you by doing this I had a "possible" vivid experience of the "other side" right after falling asleep, or having something arrive the very next day, just by playing experimenting the night before going to sleep, would you believe it?

Some examples of playing and experimenting are strongly, strongly feeling the desire of what you want until you almost feel you are going to explode, demanding it show up tommorrow, asking "where is it, already?" creating a vivid picture of what you want and talking to it like it was alive, writing it out 100 times, stating what you want over and over as you fall asleep- you get the message, experiment. Experiment as if this were a friendly skeptical bet you took and you either didn't care about the results or just don't take it seriously enough to care. Go a little wild.

It's only an experiment!

take care all....

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by cylon

I guess the misunderstanding I have, is if I have goals, things in life I want to attain, I would need to be very specific about them, see myself as having them already... but to do that I have to at some point acknowledge that I don't have that specific thing yet, right?

But maybe I'm making this too difficult. I could see myself as having it now, and just go about my life knowing it's already real.

IMHO, if any of us had truly cleared the conflicting barrage of thoughts, attatchments, beliefs, and other unacknowledged mind content from our consciousness, we would not even have to peform some ritual (like spending x amount of time visualizing a goal, or giving intent for example) for that desired reality to unfold. It simply would, of its seemingly own volition.

It is the conflicting thoughts inside your soul that say you must apply conscious instruction for the right play out of energy to occur. The truly peaceful soul will naturally manifest a reality congruent with their desires. But then...a truly peaceful soul might be devoid of desire...and might also be on the fast track to graduating from this type of reality....but that's another discussion altogether.

I'm not saying any of us are there yet, but I do believe it is achievable.