How did Jesus attract his crucifixion

[bylto]

What are your thoughts on how Jesus could have possibly attracted his passion and death? I pondered this for a while myself and came to this conclusion. I'll sum the article up here:

1. Jesus is beyond Karma (all spirit - no ego self)
   
2. In summoning the passion and crucifixion he was repaying the karmic debts of all of mankind, past, present and future.
   
3. This was therefore a sacrifice so that we don't have to experience the negative repercussions of our negative thoughts and actions.
   
4. This then is the free gift of salvation - escaping a hell here and now of our own making through the work of Jesus Christ.

The LOA was not broken, Jesus did not attract this as such. Spiritual laws supersede the lower material laws like Karma. Jesus is therefore Lord of Karma and the Savior of the World.

Thoughts? Has anyone else pondered this?

[Akashic_Librarian]

Well its obvious.

He didn't exist. The bible is a politically inspired fairytale.

Simple.

[torilink]

My belief is that the story isn't the literal story of one man who lived 2000 years ago, but symbolic of awakening.

It is the story of my awakening.

the crucifixtion being symbolic of what my beliefs, perceptions, ego based truths from the past (physical past) do to my "Higher Self" or God in Me, when I allow them to create who/what I am in the present moment.

I believe Christ (being aware I AM consciousness itself) lives in everyone in potential. That is to say the aspect of us which is God (consciousness) made flesh, has placed itself within this mind/body and observes quietly while being crucified by the ego (beliefs, premises, judgments,miscreations), then when the ego mind thinks it is dead and buried (entombed and hidden) the rebirth or awakening of the Christ within which takes dominion over the ego mind to create "Heaven" (this is where IM comes in), leading to Ascension.

Christ (consciousness or god in us) saves us from the hell of our ego mind's making it is our saviour as pushed by Christianity, although that power is not a god-man outside ourselves it is the God-Man that is ourself - it is the hope of mankind.

There is no "Sacrifice" or "Sin", simply incorrect associations with past beliefs - Errors in our thinking. Consciousness merely sacrifices control for awhile to the Ego Mind and allows itself to be mistreated, and abused (by our thought structures and beliefs) before rising to regain control of the creative process.

[Advent Shade]

Well its obvious.

He didn't exist. The bible is a politically inspired fairytale.

Simple.

In a nutshell. Oh and I agree completely.

[Chinese Dragon]

Because Jesus is at the consiousness level of enlightenment, his crucifixion paid for every dirty sin ever to be committed for all of mankind and all sins that would be committed in the future.

Although I forget the details it's like when God said he wouldn't destroy the city if he could find 5 good people. Good people counterbalance bad people tenfold (or maybe even hundredfold, depends how good they are)

IMO saying Jesus does not exist is not a valid answer for this question. If we're disscussing LoA in the domain of Christianity, we should at least STAY within the domain while trying to explain it. You cannot prove that Jesus does or does not exist unless you're looking at him right now. They found the tomb of Jesus in Jerusalem, and even though I'm not in Jerusalem to percive it that's more than enough proof for me.

[bylto]

Good people counterbalance bad people tenfold (or maybe even hundredfold, depends how good they are)

exactly Chinese Dragon like Hawkins' Power Vs Force - 1 Avatar counterbalances the collective negativity of the whole world.

[Dharma]

I think Jesus was a combination of people who lived at the time and were put into one personality in the bible.

I doubt the crucifixion was a physical event ("Hey Master of Light, hold still while I nail you to this cross..." GTFO!) and was more a story about a psychic event that occurred.

I think we attracted (to ourselves) a big lie or a confusing jumble of facts.

[Power]

I dont think he attracted his crucifixion... wasn't it foretold of his arrival and purpose, way before he got crucified? (like a pre-destined event)

[ming]

Can anyone in this forum do time travelling?

Could any of these advanced wizards go back to that period and tell us if Jesus existed and about his life and death?

[Chinese Dragon]

I finally understand why God created the Devil!

When God created the universe, he also created many angels, one of which turned against him and created Hell. He knew that was going to happen. Why did he let it happen? Simple, free will. If he forced everyone to obey him he would not be a good God. The only way was to give everyone free will, otherwise there would be no point in creating a universe where there's a bunch of bots. God wants us to love us by our own choice.

Originally Posted by ming

Can anyone in this forum do time travelling?

Could any of these advanced wizards go back to that period and tell us if Jesus existed and about his life and death?

What is the point of hijacking this thread and turning into a debate? I believe we can explain this without saying "But how do you know he exists?"

[cylon]

Actually, to bring something up that has been brought up millions of times...

Holding someone over a pit of fire and saying, "now if you don't love me, I'm gonna drop you into that pit of fire" is a great way to get someone to SAY they love you, but if you ask that person, I doubt they'd say they had any free will in the matter.

[Chinese Dragon]

Originally Posted by cylon

Holding someone over a pit of fire and saying, "now if you don't love me, I'm gonna drop you into that pit of fire" is a great way to get someone to SAY they love you, but if you ask that person, I doubt they'd say they had any free will in the matter.

No force other than free will can put one into Hell. God doesn't send people to Hell. The Devil doesn't send people to Hell. Only themselves can. You cannot get into that place unless you genuinly WANT to, which I am sure very very few people do. And I don't think it's actually a place, more of an internal state. And people can control their internal states.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Chinese Dragon

No force other than free will can put one into Hell. God doesn't send people to Hell. The Devil doesn't send people to Hell. Only themselves can. You cannot get into that place unless you genuinly WANT to, which I am sure very very few people do. And I don't think it's actually a place, more of an internal state. And people can control their internal states.

I agree with you, you were talking about Hell, and the devil, and angels... I thought you were talking about the God of the Bible.

[Sam988]

Originally Posted by bylto

What are your thoughts on how Jesus could have possibly attracted his passion and death? I pondered this for a while myself and came to this conclusion. I'll sum the article up here:

1. Jesus is beyond Karma (all spirit - no ego self)
   
2. In summoning the passion and crucifixion he was repaying the karmic debts of all of mankind, past, present and future.
   
3. This was therefore a sacrifice so that we don't have to experience the negative repercussions of our negative thoughts and actions.
   
4. This then is the free gift of salvation - escaping a hell here and now of our own making through the work of Jesus Christ.

The LOA was not broken, Jesus did not attract this as such. Spiritual laws supersede the lower material laws like Karma. Jesus is therefore Lord of Karma and the Savior of the World.

Thoughts? Has anyone else pondered this?

Since you seem to be christian, you will probably disagree about what i have to say, but here it goes.

Jesus DID exist, he was probably a genius way beyong his time, and he came up with all those wonderful advices for mankind.

But he was human after all, not divine as christians rather believe, so as any human he did commit what you may call sins, and ended up attracting his crucification.

Then the catholic church came and added some fairy tales to his story and we all know the result.

[songwriter]

Well, it was easy, if he wanted to be cruficified and it seemed to be. Claiming about being "King of Israel" in a country ruled by Romans it was an easy way.

[Ree]

I believe Jesus was a human being (or "bean" as Max says and that he walked on the Earth 2000 years ago. He remembered what we have all forgotten: who he truly was. He knew that crucifixion or anything for that matter could not destroy his true self, his consciousness, and he used the opportunity to be an example to others who do not remember who they truly are.

As someone else said, the Catholic Church wrote a fairy tale about him and that still gets the headlines today.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Jesus was real for sure. He couldn't walk on water though. He couldn't turn water into wine, he couldn't raise the dead...(maybe he did CPR?) but Jesus the man, Jesus the leader, was real...its a shame his image and message was warped by stupid political persona...

[abundance92]

From the inception.....Jesus' intent was to come that the world through him might be saved and because it was on a magnamious scale meaning "The World" it included him being born of man, growing, teaching, serving and then dying. Those were the EVENTS manifested by the universe for the nature of his experience. I dont think that Jesus' experience of THOUGHT/INTENTION/MANIFESTATION was any different from ours...as a matter of fact; he came to pave the way to show us.. he did not breach the universal laws, however; he showed us how to live consciously and to create with the Father.

[bylto]

Since you seem to be christian, you will probably disagree about what i have to say, but here it goes.

Jesus DID exist, he was probably a genius way beyong his time, and he came up with all those wonderful advices for mankind.

But he was human after all, not divine as christians rather believe, so as any human he did commit what you may call sins, and ended up attracting his crucification.

Then the catholic church came and added some fairy tales to his story and we all know the result.

Sam988 you've got me all wrong. I agree with you in the most part. I certainly am not a Christian but I like the teachings of JC. In fact I think the idea of eternal hell as put forward by literal Christians is one of the most repugnant things I've ever heard and certainly the most blasphemous.

he did not breach the universal laws, however; he showed us how to live consciously and to create with the Father

abundance92 - I don't think the law was breached either but the LOA is a material law, it is superceded by the spiritual law i.e. you don't have to suffer your karma if you know the Christ - a word which means the Truth and is not synonymous with Jesus.

[Niki]

I think Jesus really exists. He showed us our ego will die. Thats what he wanted to show us with his dead.

We all have crusifixes in our homes (many have, not all).We all seem to remembering Jesus being crusified. While we forget that he was reborn and that his rebrith stopped him from suffering.

There are some wise lessons that can be learnd from Jesus his life. One is that we all have a Christ in our selves, and that the only thing we should do is learn to listen to it, learn to notice what it's telling us. That's how Jesus rised, and thats how we can rise.

Greetings

[cylon]

When you take the story of Jesus literally, people tend to get confused and take sides. When you understand it as myth, or metaphor for the transformation we all can go through, all of the sudden everyone gets it.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Jesus was real for sure. He couldn't walk on water though. He couldn't turn water into wine, he couldn't raise the dead...(maybe he did CPR?) ...

Are you sure?

I know it would surprise many people. But the kind of miracles which Jesus is reported in the Bible as doing are HIGHLY SIMILAR to the kind of miracles which certain "holy men" types in India have been reported to be doing for centuries.

[Acting Like Godot]

For a contempoary example of such a holy man, visit this other Steve Pavlina forum thread over here.

[Ree]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Are you sure?

I know it would surprise many people. But the kind of miracles which Jesus is reported in the Bible as doing are HIGHLY SIMILAR to the kind of miracles which certain "holy men" types in India have been reported to be doing for centuries.

Miracles such as we all could perform if we remember who we really are and reach the level of consciousness that Jesus attained??

[Old Soul]

He knew that crucifixion or anything for that matter could not destroy his true self, his consciousness, and he used the opportunity to be an example to others who do not remember who they truly are.

And not just to remember who they are but to "know" who they are....I think the crucifiction, was litteral but equally important - is symbolic of the "eggocentric" man dieing to life - "Christocentric",

So one can imagine his frustration, to the point of tears as drops of blood:-))
working with the eggocentric crowds , trying to show them that life's solutions lie not in carnal ego but in spirit ... living in flesh but by the spirit for the spirit

What is sad to me is to see ego trying to subject the spirit unto it.. when it is the ego that must die to spirit ........

one can only experience Christ and oneness in spirit not ego

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[Dharma]

Originally Posted by Ree

Miracles such as we all could perform if we remember who we really are and reach the level of consciousness that Jesus attained??

Yes. I think that's why the Jesus story is in our "history". So when we get buried in our delusions of limitation there is still the remembrance of what is possible.

[themaster]

If I'm quoting the "Seth" material right.. Jesus came to be a uplifter/teacher and he didn't really die.. someone else died in his place.. I believe he's also scheduled to come back sometime in the next century as well..

Abraham has said that the teachings of Christ are distorted.. that follows my own scientific/logic views that a book written 70 years after he died and re-translated for 2000 years would be such..