Quantum physics...

[the_grinch]

Hello people....

This thread is regarding quantum physics and how to use it to make our own lives into a beautifull place...im right now learning about quantum physics an its applications on law of attraction.

I am eager to share my knowledge on quantum physics to you.

If you want to share your knowledge on quantum physics. please GO AHEAD!

[Advent Shade]

Quantum physics has nothing to do with the Law of Attraction. It is a theory that provides an explanation for certain microscopic phenomena. In the macroscopic world it's effects are completely and utterly masked. To suggest that the internal workings of the human mind would be capable of transforming the outside world is ridiculous. For a start competing intentions would wipe each other out. And even if all humans focused on the same intention, any change would be the product of action, not wishful thinking.

This is science at it's worst.

[the_grinch]

hmmmmm thts a good point..but the fact is that it is working.....and as u said its not worst...nothing is worst..only if u understand it...

[kellyrued]

In the macroscopic world it's effects are completely and utterly masked.

Masked in what sense? Most of the important processes in the human world are "under the surface" and so far science has benefited whenever people start to understand things with increasingly finer granularity. Quantum physics research is already proving itself useful.

Much of modern technology operates at a scale where quantum effects are significant. Examples include the laser, the transistor, the electron microscope, and magnetic resonance imaging. The study of semiconductors led to the invention of the diode and the transistor, which are indispensable for modern electronics.

Researchers are currently seeking robust methods of directly manipulating quantum states. Efforts are being made to develop quantum cryptography, which will allow guaranteed secure transmission of information. A more distant goal is the development of quantum computers, which are expected to perform certain computational tasks exponentially faster than classical computers. Another active research topic is quantum teleportation, which deals with techniques to transmit quantum states over arbitrary distances.

In many devices, even the simple light switch, quantum tunneling is vital, as otherwise the electrons in the electric current could not penetrate the potential barrier made up, in the case of the light switch, of a layer of oxide.

(from Quantum mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

For a start competing intentions would wipe each other out.

Only if the positives and negatives of every factor involved were completely equal. What if most intentions are weighted by so many different factors that depending on a given application, there will almost always be a clear (cumulative) dominant intention. And if there isn't at first, an adaptive system might reprocess the intentions until a combination of circumstances allows for a clearly dominant intention to emerge (when some factors change so that ambivalence or self-contradiction is eventually resolved). This resolution could theoretically take place many times over, first at the individual level, then at some wide-area-network collaborative level, possibly at some level that combines a rule-based deterministic AI system with spontaneous human intent, even mass human intent, before certain results are manifested (wouldn't *that* change the legal system).

The problem with dismissing any of this stuff now is that we hardly understand the full breadth and depth of applied quantum physics now and while our artificial intelligence and computational means are converging via networking and distributed technologies, we haven't even begun to explore similar convergence with our mental computation and natural human intelligence. Quantum physics might not be the final core layer in the "onion" but it may bring us one layer closer to understanding how things *really* work in the physical world. There was probably someone back in the day who said "atoms? What use are atoms if we can't even see the little sh#ts?" then lo, and behold, people figured out how to use their understanding of atomic and sub-atomic particles to make all sorts of progress.

I'm not even remotely "sold" on this LOA thing, but I don't think quantum mechanics or quantum physics are junk science by any means. I don't know if LOA is potentially related but let's say LOA is more sci-fi and wishful thinking than anything else (the idea that someday people will be able to simply intend things and that will be enough, on a quantum level, to manifest something relevant on a macroscopic level). It wouldn't be the first time that a group of wishful thinkers/visionaries predicted a future technology that their contemporaries thought was impossible. (and yeah I know that many people believe LOA is working right now as a "law of the universe" like gravity, but that isn't my subjective take on it right now). If LOA were true, I'd have vibrated at the proper frequency to attract Johnny Depp a hundred times over by now.

[the_grinch]

The basics of quantum physics: a little dose of science for those who may find difficulty in believing in the Unseen.
Difficulty in believing in what the ancient mystics taught about the magnetic nature of our thoughts does not cancel out the Law of Attraction that is always applicable in our life, 24/7. The doubts can originate from a number of reasons. Maybe we wonder why our parents didn’t tell us as kids, about how the circumstances in our life are shaped by the continual stream of thoughts, especially the emotionally-charged ones. Didn’t they know, and didn’t their parents know about this power? The basics of quantum physics tells us that observing creates reality, however our conscious thoughts, directed by our beliefs, don’t seem to remain on one objective long enough to outpicture any one desired result.


Other questions include: Why did my ancestors going back several generations before that, believe strictly in this material world that we see before us, and thus the need for working hard and hoping for good fortune? So it’s easy to start thinking: “Maybe they know something that I should just accept as fact - I need to work hard, and stop this crazy belief that I could create the ideal life, and create this life while doing things that I love.”

Most of the world tends to be asleep as to how much control they really have over their life.

What these ancestors knew, amounts simply to what the beliefs were that were installed over time, below the level of waking consciousness. They saw struggle around them, believed it must be their fate, and didn’t venture out beyond the barrier of their habitual thinking. So as well-intentioned as they were, they simply opted to stay inside their comfort-zone, and to buy into everything their parents taught them.

The basics of quantum physics: a little dose of science for those who may find difficulty in believing in the Unseen.
Difficulty in believing in what the ancient mystics taught about the magnetic nature of our thoughts does not cancel out the Law of Attraction that is always applicable in our life, 24/7. The doubts can originate from a number of reasons. Maybe we wonder why our parents didn’t tell us as kids, about how the circumstances in our life are shaped by the continual stream of thoughts, especially the emotionally-charged ones. Didn’t they know, and didn’t their parents know about this power? The basics of quantum physics tells us that observing creates reality, however our conscious thoughts, directed by our beliefs, don’t seem to remain on one objective long enough to outpicture any one desired result.


Other questions include: Why did my ancestors going back several generations before that, believe strictly in this material world that we see before us, and thus the need for working hard and hoping for good fortune? So it’s easy to start thinking: “Maybe they know something that I should just accept as fact - I need to work hard, and stop this crazy belief that I could create the ideal life, and create this life while doing things that I love.”

Most of the world tends to be asleep as to how much control they really have over their life.

What these ancestors knew, amounts simply to what the beliefs were that were installed over time, below the level of waking consciousness. They saw struggle around them, believed it must be their fate, and didn’t venture out beyond the barrier of their habitual thinking. So as well-intentioned as they were, they simply opted to stay inside their comfort-zone, and to buy into everything their parents taught them.

The basics of quantum physics: a little dose of science for those who may find difficulty in believing in the Unseen.
Difficulty in believing in what the ancient mystics taught about the magnetic nature of our thoughts does not cancel out the Law of Attraction that is always applicable in our life, 24/7. The doubts can originate from a number of reasons. Maybe we wonder why our parents didn’t tell us as kids, about how the circumstances in our life are shaped by the continual stream of thoughts, especially the emotionally-charged ones. Didn’t they know, and didn’t their parents know about this power? The basics of quantum physics tells us that observing creates reality, however our conscious thoughts, directed by our beliefs, don’t seem to remain on one objective long enough to outpicture any one desired result.


Other questions include: Why did my ancestors going back several generations before that, believe strictly in this material world that we see before us, and thus the need for working hard and hoping for good fortune? So it’s easy to start thinking: “Maybe they know something that I should just accept as fact - I need to work hard, and stop this crazy belief that I could create the ideal life, and create this life while doing things that I love.”

Most of the world tends to be asleep as to how much control they really have over their life.

What these ancestors knew, amounts simply to what the beliefs were that were installed over time, below the level of waking consciousness. They saw struggle around them, believed it must be their fate, and didn’t venture out beyond the barrier of their habitual thinking. So as well-intentioned as they were, they simply opted to stay inside their comfort-zone, and to buy into everything their parents taught them.

Aside from entertaining these kinds of doubts, there is also the stumbling block that, as Beings who were given this Intellect thing, we love to reason things out. A favorite conclusion we like to arrive at: “Brains must be where it’s at, since we were given one.”

Not The Case

Also, we think that because of the fact that we were endowed with five senses, and when we look in the mirror, we can see these five organs (our eyes, ears, mouth, nose, our hands ), then it means that these “instruments” or abilities must be what we are supposed to use to observe what reality is and hope these material things get better somehow. We’re also conditioned to believe that our hands exist for the sole reason that there is no other way to create our circumstances - hard work is it.

Questions such as: How did that person come to own this company, or this other person rise to such heights, and without reading any self-help material?

It’s more of the same: We love to trying to figure things out with our conscious mind.

Here is the major flaw in this type of thinking: Money. It seems to be the only guideline by which success is measured. “If I only have this much in my bank account, then it means I have to earn as much as these people in this celebrity reality show on television, before I could hope for a minimum level of happiness.”

Money is a human invention for making sense of the need for trading services and goods. That’s it.

If the Observer inside us notices only an awareness of being money-challenged, then there is no focus left in the day, for creating exactly the result we want.

With the knowledge made available for thousands of years, and what Science is making more apparent, one would come to the realization that we are the “driver” of this material thing we call the body, and that what we are is an individualization of an all-encompassing: “I AM”, and we were Aware before this I AM even adopted material bodies to slip into and experience itself. And our ability to channel a constant focus of thoughts, with Feeling, is the only currency required to find ourselves into the type of material life we desire.

If money is the best way to take us there, we obey the suddenly quickening subtle signals within us to look more into a particular talent we’ve neglected. Or the house could come in a different way that does not involve using this human invention called cash.

It’s an interesting topic to bring up as to why my negative emotions hinder any consistent visualization work, and how to get rid of stubborn mental chattering, doubts, fears, etc. But it is not as interesting as simply using tools such as EFT, or other releasing methods such as the release technique, to just neutralize something when it comes up.

We can go very far in just deciding that we don’t need to take pleasure in being victims anymore, in life and in our relationships. We can simply stop deciding to invest in “payoffs”.

Specifically, this might mean that below the surface we might believe that if we began living in our dream home, we no longer have the payoff of having a poor-me conversation with a parent or friend, and this could lead to no more juicy conversation topic, and loneliness could be the result. These are “unwitting intentions” that interfere with the out picturing of the new home. Sometimes, all it takes is just a couple minutes in silence to unwind a couple of layers of these below-the-surface “pay offs”.

When all is said and done, being someone who owns a home near a lake, requires Thinking, and Feeling like someone who does. Really intending with our whole being, but first knowing what our deep Intentions are before changing them. For different people, it might mean taking a different route. The new physics backing up the law of attraction will work for us whether we imagine the worst and dwell in doubt, or stay centered in a peaceful feeling that we are already abundant.

Losing Faith is just a convenient Ego strategy for not wanting to be really aware of what our deepest thoughts are. Because it’s those thoughts deeply felt and accepted that shape our reality.

[Advent Shade]

but the fact is that it is working

This does not prove that quantum physics is the cause of the LOA working. Christianity viewed life and claimed such complex organisms must be the result of a designer; science explains complex lifeforms through the theory of evolution. Two very different explanations, each valid arguments, but the existence of complex lifeforms does not immediately prove either right. The LOA working could be the cause of many things; and I highly doubt Quantum Physics could be this cause.

Only if the positives and negatives of every factor involved were completely equal

Can I ask exactly what you mean by the phrase's 'positive' and 'negative'? Oh and while we're here could any of the 'lolz, quantum physics proves LOA, lolz' crew please provide me with a source to a distinguished (i.e. peer-reviewed) physicist who approves of these ideas. Because believe me if there was a peer-reviewed physicist with such a report on human mental impact on environment this would have exploded in the scientific community by now. And unfortunately it hasn't. So show me the evidence and maybe I'll start playing along.

Masked in what sense? Most of the important processes in the human world are "under the surface" and so far science has benefited whenever people start to understand things with increasingly finer granularity. Quantum physics research is already proving itself useful.

I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about the impact Quantum Physics research is having on the world. That is certainly huge and will continue to benefit us for many years. I was referring to the probabilistic nature of Quantum phenomena. For example light can take many paths in it's journey from the sun to our eye. If you could slow down time (by a factor of say, 100,000,000) and zoomed in enough (by a factor, again, of say 1,000,000,000) you would see some very odd things happening. But up here, because things are so small and fast relative to us, we don't see this, we just see the collective packets of photons known as light.

It's difficult to explain Quantum Physics. I've studied it myself and I struggle to explain it to people or even understand it myself. Richard Feynmann once said;

If you say you understand Quantum Theory... you don't

My own advice is to steer clear of mystics and quasi-scientists who try to rope you in with this stuff. If America's most prodigious physicist was not willing to say with confidence that he understood the theory, no mystic has a chance.

I have no problem with the LOA in a spiritual container. If you believe life is subjective and you are an individual consciousness surrounded by manifested intentions instead of fully conscious people that's perfectly fine. But mix it with science and I start to get annoyed and offended. I did not spend three months struggling to grapple the concept of light as possessing both qualities of a wave and a particle to see someone oversimplify such ingenious yet conceptually murderous ideas in order to sell a few tapes/books/DVD's.

EDIT: I found a quote which sort of sums it all up for me;

...if you think really, really hard, say, about vigorously cavorting with Salma Hayek on a soft, fluffy bed of Google Series A preferred stock, you will emit a magnetic signal to the universe that will make your vision a reality.

Of course, this is utter nonsense. Magnetic fields are capable of attracting only two things: other magnets set at opposite poles and three different metals.

By the way the quote was from Greg Beato and the context was, thankfully, satire

[UHF]

As an observation, two of the speakers on 'The Secret' are billed as quantum physicists. And they appear to be bona fide, they didn't buy their PhDs off the internet for $600. John Hagelin, Fred Alan Wolf both their biogs mention their interest in 'human consciousness'.

[Advent Shade]

Thank you UHF, much better.

Interesting. Actually, I've just checked those two out and they certainly seem a lot more calm and wise then the mystics that I so often complain about. I think I'll have to watch 'The Secret' just to catch a look at their respective interviews - it's very easy to misrepresent people by taking their words out of context. They did a great deal of that in 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'. But if it turns out the other way, I may have to look into this in greater depth.

'Sigh', I hope it doesn't come to that. Quantum Physics is an evil subject to attempt to understand. You wouldn't hear from me for years.

Hagelin looks more likely then Wolf but I think I'll check them both out.

EDIT: Just found this:

He is sometimes criticized for blending verifiable scientific evidence for quantum phenomena with unfalsifiable metaphysical connections, often without differentiating between the two

That was on Fred Alan Wolf.

[the_grinch]

Hey i checked those pages...its quite good.......thanks for the info buddy........

[the_grinch]

Using Quantum Mechanics to Alter the
Crapshoot of Life
By Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.

Ever wonder how lucky or unlucky you are? Or do you think that whatever success or failure you’ve had had nothing to do with luck at all?
Well, if the quantum world has anything to do with it, not a single moment has passed without Lady Luck looking over your shoulder as
you attempt to draw to that inside straight called the game of life. But if we live in a quantum world, there is a way to beat Lady Luck at
her game. All you need to do is look vigilantly and carefully at the world—and take action with that same care and vigilance.
Observing in the Quantum World
Quantum physics describes the behavior of matter and energy, particularly atoms and subatomic particles. It is nearly impossible to
imagine the strange behavior of this matter using our common sense. An electron in an atom, for example, performs a trick much like the
crew aboard Star Trek’s Enterprise when it “beams” from one energy level to another by jumping from one place to another without
passing in between.
If we aren’t watching this jump, then we have no control as to when this will happen. But suppose we do watch? Then things change
dramatically.
The quantum physical world is very different from the world we are accustomed to. In our ordinary, everyday lives, this difference isn’t
noticed. But if current experiments in quantum physics are relevant to our everyday experiences, you can alter the crapshoot of life, so
long as you begin seeing things quantum mechanically and learn to take appropriate action in doing so.
According to quantum physics, there is no reality until that reality is perceived. We call this “the observer effect.” Because we don’t
typically pay attention to the perception process, our immediate experience usually will not show how our act of perception changed
anything. However, if we look carefully, we can see that our way of perceiving did indeed change the history of our observations.
This may make sense to you when looking at some past events and deciding in hindsight what they meant. But you may wonder, “I didn’t
actually change reality, did I? I just changed my interpretation of it.” The answer, as surprising as it may seem, is that you did in fact
change reality by the manner you went about observing it.
A Watched Pot Never Boils
In the world described successfully by quantum mechanics, observers ultimately and fundamentally affect the universe whenever they
observe anything in it because it is not possible to observe everything about anything in any single observation. If we were to see atomic
and subatomic processes, this realization would be very apparent and the difference would be quite magnified and astonishing to our
normal way of seeing.
Take the old proverb “a watched pot never boils.” Now imagine an atom-sized pot of water being heated on a correspondingly tiny stove.
We all know that heated pots of water will in fact come to a boil, given a little time. You would certainly think that this watched “quantum”
pot would also boil. It turns out, however, that if you vigilantly watch the pot, it will never boil. In fact, all vigilantly watched “quantum
pots” refuse to boil, even if they are heated forever.
The only requirement for non-boiling is that observers must have the intent to see the object—in this case, the quantum pot—in its initial
state. This intent is determined by the frequency of their observations. Looking repeatedly, in very short time intervals, they find the
object in the same state as it was the last time they looked.
Suppose a physicist doesn’t watch vigilantly. Or suppose that she or he does, but does so with the intent of seeing the situation evolve
differently. Then what? If the physicist looks intermittently, expecting it to boil eventually, the pot will follow its natural unobserved course
and will boil. These infrequent observations have little effect on the natural result.
There is another important bizarre aspect to all this. What if you want the watched pot to do something wild or highly improbable? If the
intent to observe that occurrence is vigilant enough, the object will actually follow the bizarre path. You may vigilantly observe the object
along an unnatural evolution by narrowing your vision to observe only those pots that have reached new goals at appropriate times.
Hence, a watched pot boils on a cake of ice, if you intend it to. Again such a measurement or observation is one where you ignore those
results that do not conform to your wilder expectations.
What’s Luck Got to Do with
It?
A Watched Life
I’m referring here to boiling pots of water, but I’m sure you see how the principle applies to your life, to the pursuits and aims you care
about in your life, and to the power of your consistent intent.
Intent refers to the action of vigilant observation along a specific path. It matters little what you hope for or even what you passively
expect will happen. You need to actively pursue your vision in order to manifest your intent in the physical world, not passively dream
about it or simply hope it will come true.
Thus, quantum physics tells us that in our own everyday lives hard work and desire accomplish things. Our desires and the actions that
accompany them are what actually governs our daily lives.
Luck has nothing to do with it.
DR. FRED ALAN WOLF is the National Book Award-winning
author of Taking the Quantum Leap, The Spiritual Universe
and many other books. His latest book is entitled Dr. Quantum’s
Little Book of Big Ideas. Dr. Wolf is a featured teacher in The Secret.
Fred Alan Wolf, Ph.D.

[Advent Shade]

It's an interesting article but it suffers from exactly the same problem that I've already brought up; on the quantum level, absolutely true. On the macro not so relevant. Think of it like this;

Someone shouts at you from across a field. They use a megaphone and they manage to hit around about 120db (I'm not entirely sure what is reasonable here, but whatever) They then move away another field and shout again at 120db. You hear them but they've become quieter because they're further away. For the sake of convenience let's say the energy of the sound-waves is halved so when it reaches you, it has been reduced to 60db.

The further the person moves, the more fields away, the quieter the sound becomes. Now clearly at some point, after say 10 fields it will become impossible to hear them anymore - they've become too quiet.

Here's the twist though - this person doesn't just move away 10 fields - they actually hop onto a jumbo jet and travel the equilavent of 1,000,000 fields away. Now if it was impossible for you to hear at the level of 10 fields how likely is it that such an event would occur at 1,000,000 fields.

This is quantum physics; impossible and ridiculous odds examined by physicists because nothing gives a phycisist an erection more then the impossible. Heck I'm getting one right now typing this up (I jape). The point is people cannot comprehend from a scientific stand-point how unlikely it is that you could effect the universe with your thoughts alone. You'd probably have to sit through 1000 lifetimes of the universe before you saw any results. Or you could get up and start acting on those thoughts. No need for magic middlemen or helpful probabilities; hard work, effort and consistency. Your hands change the universe not your thoughts.

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Advent Shade

Your hands change the universe not your thoughts.

My experiences tell me otherwise... But, your certainly welcome to believe what you do and you'll always be right (for yourself)

[torilink]

Head to the library and check out The Self Aware Universe by Amit Goswami and
The Divine Matrix by Gregg Braden. Both books offer an "Educated Hyposthesis" they are a good mix of scientific studies & personal belief about how it all links together.

Gregg Braden » Home
Amit Goswami: The Self-Aware Universe

edited to add this quote from Amit goswami:
"Actually, it's the easiest thing to explain, because in quantum physics, as I said earlier, objects are not seen as definite things, as we are used to seeing them. Newton taught us that objects are definite things, they can be seen all the time, moving in definite trajectories. Quantum physics doesn't depict objects that way at all.In quantum physics, objects are seen as possibilities, possibility waves. Right? So then the question arises, what converts possibility into actuality?Because, when we see, we only see actual events. That's starting with us. When you see a chair, you see an actual chair, you don't see a possible chair.

Now this is called the "quantum measurement paradox." It is a paradox because who are we to do this conversion? Because after all, in the materialist paradigm we don't have any causal efficacy. We are nothing but the brain, which is made up of atoms and elementary particles. So how can a brain which is made up of atoms and elementary particles convert a possibility wave that it itself is? It itself is made up of the possibility waves of atoms and elementary particles, so it cannot convert its own possibility wave into actuality. This is called a paradox. Now in the new view, consciousness is the ground of being. So who converts possibility into actuality? Consciousness does, because consciousness does not obey quantum physics. Consciousness is not made of material. Consciousness is transcendent. Do you see the paradigm-changing view right here—how consciousness can be said to create the material world?The material world of quantum physics is just possibility. It is consciousness, through the conversion of possibility into actuality, that creates what we see manifest. In other words, consciousness creates the manifest world."

[the_grinch]

cool posts..need more knowledge on this subject..
IS THERE AN EXPERT ON BOARD???

[Advent Shade]

I have a laymens understanding of the basics. I'll type up a short summary tonight for you all if you want.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Advent Shade

I have a laymens understanding of the basics. I'll type up a short summary tonight for you all if you want.

Hehe I see you using all the muscles.............except for the only one that matters.............

Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by the_grinch

Hello people....

This thread is regarding quantum physics and how to use it to make our own lives into a beautifull place...im right now learning about quantum physics an its applications on law of attraction.

I am eager to share my knowledge on quantum physics to you.

If you want to share your knowledge on quantum physics. please GO AHEAD!

Quantum Physics!!!!!........Quantum Physics!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's crazy talk

IM, LoA, CM........has nothing to do with science, science is for the physical, science is for trying to understand God and Consciousness, through the five senses and then writing a report that PROVES God doen't exsit!!, because then is no HARD evidence!!

Be gone scientistic peoples, you can't prove to me I'm GOD........I'm MAX POWER ALMIGHTY........THY WILL BE DONE!!!!!!........I AM GOD.....I AM FOR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Sorry for that .....I get bent out of shape, when scientists try to prove I don't exsit

Max

*Leaving the forum, knowing he's god *

[Calculusaurus]

Bottom line: If you have a crazy ass theory and want to show that it's true, then use your half-ass understanding of QM to "excuse" the weirdness of your theory by noting the weirdness in QM.

QM is not nearly as open ended as people wish it was. It's just a theory that gives you the probability waves of particles in given energy potentials. Whee.

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Max Power

*Leaving the forum, knowing he's god *

Pick one dagnabit!

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Calculusaurus

Bottom line: If you have a crazy ass theory and want to show that it's true, then use your half-ass understanding of QM to "excuse" the weirdness of your theory by noting the weirdness in QM.

QM is not nearly as open ended as people wish it was. It's just a theory that gives you the probability waves of particles in given energy potentials. Whee.

And your point is??.....your crazy ass theory of science being true and righteous based on what you can see and touch.

When our life is *bleep* we NEVER turn to science to help us...Why??....because science is the desire to prove we have no control outside of physicality.

Science justify's physicality.........

Consciousness justifiy's science

Max Power

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by cylon

Pick one dagnabit!

CY,

Please don't say ya askin' Maxie to leave ya????....

Max

[cylon]

Originally Posted by Max Power

CY,

Please don't say ya askin' Maxie to leave ya????....

Max

I don't care either way, but first I thought you were a man, then a woman, now a man again... but it's YOUR call. Your gender-neutral state hasn't affected my reading of your posts very much in any case.

[the_grinch]

People..the topic here is to understand how the masses in the sub atomic level work and to find out if there is a way to do it or to activate it on the conscious level..

OK HERE WE GO...
EVERYONE SAYS ENERGY IS ALL THAT IS...SO WHAT IS THE WAY THAT WE CAN USE THIS ENERGU TO CREATE WHAT WE WANT..

I MEAN A PRACTICAL WAY......

[Advent Shade]

QM is not nearly as open ended as people wish it was. It's just a theory that gives you the probability waves of particles in given energy potentials. Whee.

Finally. I was waiting for someone to come along and put it more eloquently then I could ever manage myself. Calculasaurus you have my thanks.

Sorry for that .....I get bent out of shape, when scientists try to prove I don't [exist]

Please by all means point out where any of us have tried such a thing. I thought the issue here was about Science vs. Mysticism, not you. Interesting how you have to make every conversation focus on you specifically.

[Uplift]

Originally Posted by Advent Shade

I thought the issue here was about Science vs. Mysticism, not you. you specifically.

The actual issue was:

'This thread is regarding quantum physics and how to use it to make our own lives into a beautifull place...im right now learning about quantum physics an its applications on law of attraction.

I am eager to share my knowledge on quantum physics to you.

If you want to share your knowledge on quantum physics. please GO AHEAD!'

No mention of anything vs anything. That's your personal issue.

[Advent Shade]

Oh... right. Duly noted. Thought I was in a different thread here, I've been jumping about this forum so much recently

[jerome]

I can't really contribute to this discussion since I have no idea how quantum physics work, but something else came to mind....

Isn't it funny how some of the "teachers" from the secret probably couldn't solve a second degree polynomial function yet they are yapping about how quantum physics proves the LOA?

Kinda sends chills down my spine.....

[Advent Shade]

That is kind of worrying jerome... perhaps a little unwarranted since none of us know if it's true or not. But if it is true, then it's worrying. Very worrying.

[the_grinch]

ok people let me tall u what i have learned..if u want to make a quantum change the only way to affect the quantum particles is through

OBSERVING THEM........

any comments..
il post the explanation why it is so afte some comments...

[Acting Like Godot]

Yes. You should have elaborated on the principle of quantum entanglement.

Let me explain this (over)-simply. If two quantum particles are entangled, they are forever entangled and the behaviour of one particle will instantaneously affect the other, wherever the other particle is, in the universe. This is known as the non-local effect. Distance and time cease to matter.

Here's one implication. When you think a thought, you create certain electrical impulses in your brain. Electrical impulses are simply the movement of electrons. Electrons are subatomic particles. The movement of each of those electrons instantly affect every other subatomic particle they have ever been entangled with, since the beginning of the universe, wherever those other particles now are.

Upon being affected, the behaviour of those other particles will change, and this in turn affects the behaviour of every other particle in the universe that those other particles have ever entangled with. And on and on and on and on ....

And so ..... now you can see now how your thoughts are linked to the rest of the universe.

For those who are interested to know more, simply google "quantum entanglement".