How to handle failures

[Arboretor]

For the last 6 months I have tried to attract something. I think I did everything possible: the goal setting, the emotion, the visualization
of having it already, the action, everything was there.
I received quite a number of very strong alpha reflections, some of them really so amazing and unexpected that my jaw dropped.
And yet, when the opportunity was there and I wanted to capture it, I failed miserably.
For the last few days I have tried to analyze what went wrong. I know that at the moment of opportunity my fears and doubts were still too strong,
despite all the effort I did to overcome fear and to develop an unwavering faith.

Now I wonder how to proceed. I see 3 possibilities, all having pros and cons.

- Set a new goal, one that is more believable to me. At first glance this seems like a sensible thing to do, but I have some problems with it: it smells like accepting defeat and admitting that what I wanted is "impossible". And yet I got these incredibly strong alpha reflections, which would indicate that my wish was accepted and that my subconsciousness had embraced it. I may always wonder if I hadn't achieved it if only my faith had been stronger.

- Continue to pursue the old goal while combatting my fears and doubts. I guess that is what a 'purist' LoA and SR follower would recommend. The cons are that I may not be able to muster sufficient faith after failing the first time - my faith has certainly got a severe blow. If it took me 6 months to even get to the point where I was before the failure, it might take years to overcome all my fears, or I might never really get rid of them. And what if during this process I miss out on other, perhaps even better, opportunities, because I concentrate too much on this one goal?

- Or should I combine the two approaches - pursue my original goal while settings smaller subgoals to overcome my fears? Perhaps this is a good idea, but I might lose focus for my primary goal.

How would you handle such a situation?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

For the last 6 months I have tried to attract something. I think I did everything possible: the goal setting, the emotion, the visualization
of having it already, the action, everything was there.
I received quite a number of very strong alpha reflections, some of them really so amazing and unexpected that my jaw dropped.
And yet, when the opportunity was there and I wanted to capture it, I failed miserably.
For the last few days I have tried to analyze what went wrong. I know that at the moment of opportunity my fears and doubts were still too strong,
despite all the effort I did to overcome fear and to develop an unwavering faith.

Now I wonder how to proceed. I see 3 possibilities, all having pros and cons.

- Set a new goal, one that is more believable to me. At first glance this seems like a sensible thing to do, but I have some problems with it: it smells like accepting defeat and admitting that what I wanted is "impossible". And yet I got these incredibly strong alpha reflections, which would indicate that my wish was accepted and that my subconsciousness had embraced it. I may always wonder if I hadn't achieved it if only my faith had been stronger.

- Continue to pursue the old goal while combatting my fears and doubts. I guess that is what a 'purist' LoA and SR follower would recommend. The cons are that I may not be able to muster sufficient faith after failing the first time - my faith has certainly got a severe blow. If it took me 6 months to even get to the point where I was before the failure, it might take years to overcome all my fears, or I might never really get rid of them. And what if during this process I miss out on other, perhaps even better, opportunities, because I concentrate too much on this one goal?

- Or should I combine the two approaches - pursue my original goal while settings smaller subgoals to overcome my fears? Perhaps this is a good idea, but I might lose focus for my primary goal.

How would you handle such a situation?

Arb,

Well, you can't quit, because that's....quitting, in fact quitting is just giving up responsibility, so that's not going to work, so you need to change your focus, change your observation.

So you've done everything right up until now and still not sign of success and as you say, you've failed, but have you really failed? Are you dead? No, so you're still in the game and that game will continue to run wether you play it or sit on the side lines. This whole human life/physical reality isn't supposed to be 100% easy, that is not the point, because consciousness loves a challenge.

The point is to stay in the game. This failure, this setback is actually a good thing because it's something else you don't have to do, why did it fail? what's the lesson? There is a reason why this has happened and it is for your own benefit, you're running the show and you would never do anything to truly hurt yourself, so this is actually a good thing a blessing in disguise.

If you think you can't look at it in a positive way for fear of denial of observation, then look at it neutrally, don't think good or bad about it, just observe it and try to understand it, acccept it and change the observation of it and it will change.

Success could be and probably is just around the corner and you are approaching that corner, you can either turn back, stop or keep steaming ahead, no matter what you do, the game will continue on.

PM me if you need more specifics.

Max

PS Sometimes we start out with a specific idea of what to do, but success can come from a samll shift in the idea. Google wanted to license it's tech, not be an SE, ebay started out wanting to supply auction software, not be an auction site Microsoft didn't even create their first product, they brought it off someone else and renamed it.

[Arboretor]

Thanks for your input, Max.

I'll ponder about what you said for a while. This experience has been very painful for me, and I think I'll need some time to think about the ramifications.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

For the last 6 months I have tried to attract something. I think I did everything possible: the goal setting, the emotion, the visualization of having it already, the action, everything was there.

One thing seems to be missing from that list of necessary factors to goal achieving... and that is... "MASSIVE ACTION..."

Faith without work is dead... and manifesting without its physical counterpart is also dead...

This is the Ultimate Success Formula...

1. Decide exactly what it is that you want...

2. Set up a strategy to obtain it...

3. Take massive action...

4. Determine what's working and what's not... and change your plan accordingly...

You do that... you'll succeed... you don't... you won't...

If wishful thinking worked... the world would be filled with happy, healthy and successful people... but, even if it has been tried even conceivable way from the dawn of time... it has not worked before and will not work in the future...

The very best of luck to you... and don't give up... rather... give it all that you've got...

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[sranganayaki]

Arboretor,

The correct answer to your question depends on details which you have chosen not to disclose for reasons that are quite understandable. You say that life confirmed the possibility of achieving your goal in various external forms. That shows the opportunity and possibility are fully real. You have accounted for the failure to achieve simply in terms of a lack of faith. It may appear that way to you but in all likelihood there are other attitudes at play that have prevented realization. You need to examine in fine detail all your attitudes and actions related to the goal. If you take the external confirmations as evidence of the possibility, you can also take the obstacles that have appeared in life as exact representations of inner obstacles that remain in your consciousness of which you are not yet aware. Removing them will clear the way. For more insights into how to read the relationship between inner and outer, see the articles on Life Response at Life Portal - Human Science - a Wikia wiki

Now to your main question which is regard strategy rather than method. The basic principle is that what you do not believe in is unlikely to happen, so insistence on pursuing the goal that you lack faith in doesn’t make sense at this time. However, if you aspiration is real, there is no reason why pursuit of an intermediate goal should undermine the larger objective. It all depends on your aspiration. A true aspiration can use every occasion to move forward. Take an intermediate goal that you can fully have faith in – even if it is 10% or 5% or 1% of the ultimate goal. Realize it NOW. Not in some reasonable time or measure. But 100% immediately. See the power of the method and then extend it, realizing that as far as the universe is concerned, there is no difference between big and small. That is what Sri Aurobindo calls the illusion of quantity. To the mind, quantity is real, so start with what you mind can accept as real. Set a time-bound goal. Work at it unceasingly.

This diagnostic can help you identify other issues you need to address. Making The Secret work for you - Human Science - a Wikia wiki In addition that are many things you can do to facilitate realization. The Secret speaks of cheerfulness and gratitude, which are very powerful. The following link mentions several other effective methods: Secrets behind The Secret - Human Science - a Wikia wiki

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Arboretor

Thanks for your input, Max.

I'll ponder about what you said for a while. This experience has been very painful for me, and I think I'll need some time to think about the ramifications.

Something I should have said, is that it's important not to ask how to manifest. This seems to get people into trouble, because they try to force creation through a method they determine instead of the best way possible.

Often we get in our own way for the ego is a huge control freak Thinking it knows how to be creative, but most of the time it just slows us down.

Much denial is ego

Max

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Shamou

One thing seems to be missing from that list of necessary factors to goal achieving... and that is... "MASSIVE ACTION..."

Faith without work is dead... and manifesting without its physical counterpart is also dead...

This is the Ultimate Success Formula...

1. Decide exactly what it is that you want...

2. Set up a strategy to obtain it...

3. Take massive action...

4. Determine what's working and what's not... and change your plan accordingly...

Yes, Shamou has a good , for the kind of goals which depend primarily on your own action, ie where all or most of the relevant factors are things which, in the conventional sense, you can fully control.

That is, rather small goals, hahaa.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Yes, Shamou has a good , for the kind of goals which depend primarily on your own action, ie where all or most of the relevant factors are things which, in the conventional sense, you can fully control.

That is, rather small goals, hahaa.

Shamou's method and techniques will not draw water out of a rock... but it will work on any conventional goal or objective if you apply it as directed... hahaa...

.

[Max Power]

Nothing starts out as action, action on some level is required, but everything that has ever been created in this world has started out as thought/choice. The thought, the choice, the intention is the creating force/source, the effort required will always be a sum total of what you expect is required.

Max

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by Shamou

One thing seems to be missing from that list of necessary factors to goal achieving... and that is... "MASSIVE ACTION..."

Faith without work is dead... and manifesting without its physical counterpart is also dead...

Yes, I am aware of that, and I believe I did everything that was in my power to do. In fact, during these six months I have achieved things I didn't know would be possible for me, like quitting with some lifelong bad habits... In this respect I am definitely a winner.

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by sranganayaki

You have accounted for the failure to achieve simply in terms of a lack of faith. It may appear that way to you but in all likelihood there are other attitudes at play that have prevented realization. You need to examine in fine detail all your attitudes and actions related to the goal. If you take the external confirmations as evidence of the possibility, you can also take the obstacles that have appeared in life as exact representations of inner obstacles that remain in your consciousness of which you are not yet aware. Removing them will clear the way. For more insights into how to read the relationship between inner and outer, see the articles on Life Response at Life Portal - Human Science - a Wikia wiki

I will check these links out. And you are right - there are inner obstacles at work within me. I tried to address them during my preparation phase, but obviously I have to work on them more.

Originally Posted by sranganayaki

Take an intermediate goal that you can fully have faith in – even if it is 10% or 5% or 1% of the ultimate goal. Realize it NOW. Not in some reasonable time or measure. But 100% immediately. See the power of the method and then extend it, realizing that as far as the universe is concerned, there is no difference between big and small. That is what Sri Aurobindo calls the illusion of quantity. To the mind, quantity is real, so start with what you mind can accept as real. Set a time-bound goal. Work at it unceasingly.

Good advice - thank you, sranganayaki! And thanks for your understanding.

[Arboretor]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Something I should have said, is that it's important not to ask how to manifest. This seems to get people into trouble, because they try to force creation through a method they determine instead of the best way possible.

This may have been one of my mistakes. There was one particular step that was in my power to do, and I did it. I thought this would be a decisive step, but perhaps I expected too much from it, and thus tried to force a certain way to manifest upon the universe.

[jerome]

Originally Posted by Shamou

One thing seems to be missing from that list of necessary factors to goal achieving... and that is... "MASSIVE ACTION..."

Faith without work is dead... and manifesting without its physical counterpart is also dead...

This is the Ultimate Success Formula...

1. Decide exactly what it is that you want...

2. Set up a strategy to obtain it...

3. Take massive action...

4. Determine what's working and what's not... and change your plan accordingly...

You do that... you'll succeed... you don't... you won't...

If wishful thinking worked... the world would be filled with happy, healthy and successful people... but, even if it has been tried even conceivable way from the dawn of time... it has not worked before and will not work in the future...

The very best of luck to you... and don't give up... rather... give it all that you've got...

.

I agree 100% with what you said shamou.

A lot of people who try out the LOA seem to think that simply imagining things will get them what they desire.

The LOA is a tool to help you achieve your goals. If used with constance it will keep you focused on what you desire and make the whole process much easier. Since you will be doing something that your subconscious mind knows is right for you, the work will seem much less heavy and difficult. But you can never take action out of the equation.

Indeed, I know a lot of people who are filled with beautiful feelings but they
still can't attract anything worthwhile since they expect it to fall out of the sky without any effort from their part.

From the way some people talk about manifesting on this forum, you would have to imagine that they are some kind of living buddhas and that they go around floating and meditating while manifesting luxury cars out of thin air by simply thinking about them.

If it sounds too good to be true........

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by jerome

From the way some people talk about manifesting on this forum, you would have to imagine that they are some kind of living buddhas and that they go around floating and meditating while manifesting luxury cars out of thin air by simply thinking about them.

If it sounds too good to be true........

I have tried a great many time to pin down one of those posters to ask him what kind of success "he" has had with his super-duper manifesting technique... the only response I have had was the sound and site of deafening silence... guess he can tell but he can't do...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I have tried a great many time to pin down one of those posters to ask him what kind of success "he" has had with his super-duper manifesting technique... the only response I have had was the sound and site of deafening silence... guess he can tell but he can't do...

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He probably didn't answer because you wouldn't like the answer to your question .............."So what have you manifested later!"

The answer would be..........

"Look in the mirror"

Hehe

Enjoy!

Max

God: "Not everyone believes what you do Max."

Max: "My beliefs do not require them to."

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

He probably didn't answer because you wouldn't like the answer to your question .............."So what have you manifested later!"

This is supposed to be a place to help people... we have a responsibility here... if we submit a theory... and simply a theory that might or might not work... it should be presented as such... and not as the gospel truth...

And, the yardstick by which a theory can be measured for effectiveness is by using it firsthand personally and seeing it work... if we can't get it to work ourself... why should we expect it to work for others...???

I think that this is something that you should be kept in mind... I hate it when I see some poor kid busting his balls trying the impossible because someone who seems to know what he's talking suggested that it could be possible...

Hippocrates gave the charge, “Primum non nocere – First, do no harm,” to his medical students almost 2,500 years ago... I think that it should still be practiced today...
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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

This is supposed to be a place to help people... we have a responsibility here... if we submit a theory... and simply a theory that might or might not work... it should be presented as such... and not as the gospel truth... .

Where is stated that anything anyone says here is gospel?? If the sharing of opinions is so harmful where are the mods? Where are the complaints? Where is the "Please Steve, ban this guy he's hurting people because he doesn't add value here and is self serving"

And, the yardstick by which a theory can be measured for effectiveness is by using it firsthand personally and seeing it work... if we can't get it to work ourself... why should we expect it to work for others...???

I find my beliefs work perfectly for me, everything in my life is happening because of my beliefs because of the way I think it works.

I think that this is something that you should be kept in mind... I hate it when I see some poor kid busting his balls trying the impossible because someone who seems to know what he's talking suggested that it could be possible...

Maybe if I took my beliefs and branded them and sold them, then do they become proven and convincing? Not all of us wish to get rich spouting and preaching the same old tired spiel.

I think you want a closed system for the self promotion of the Church Of Robbins, good luck with all that

Max

God: "Not everyone believes what you do Max."

Max: "My beliefs do not require them to."

[Lil Chris]

Originally Posted by Max Power

I find my beliefs work perfectly for me, everything in my life is happening because of my beliefs because of the way I think it works.

Max

Ah, and here-in lies the answer... Max is right, and whether you agree or disagree with him you'd be right too... Your always right!!!

Now the question becomes, what do you want to be right with...?

There is truth in everything, and there are many levels of truth....!

What would you like your truth to be...? You're in control

[ZHereford]

I think the point Shamou may be making (correct me if I'm wrong Shamou) is that there are tried and true techniques in the field of personal development that have been proven to work - such as realistic goal setting, assessing your capabilities and taking appropriate action etc. Putting out theories that may or may not work and don't address and solve specific life problems can't be relied on just because someone says so.

Everyone has a right to their opinion but it doesn't make it right and certainly not right for everyone.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

I think the point Shamou may be making (correct me if I'm wrong Shamou) is that there are tried and true techniques in the field of personal development that have been proven to work - such as realistic goal and setting, assessing your capabilities and taking appropriate action etc. Putting out theories that may or may not work and don't address and solve specific life problems can't be relied on just because someone says so.

Everyone has a right to their opinion but it doesn't make it right and certainly not right for everyone.

I agree. Tried and proven is wonderful. Just like the horse and cart, gas lighting and living in caves.

How can we be better, if we don't won't to be better.

It starts getting stupid, when we have to put disclaimers on our posts like.........."Don't try this at home, it may or may not work" there's more to accomplishment than following one method, just because something is different, doesn't make it wrong. I'm going to keep saying what I'm saying until somehwere in charge tells me to shut up or leave.

People are smart, fear is stupid.

Max

God: "Not everyone believes what you do Max."

Max: "My beliefs do not require them to."

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

Putting out theories that may or may not work and don't address and solve specific life problems can't be relied on just because someone says so.

Everyone has a right to their opinion but it doesn't make it right and certainly not right for everyone.

You are quite right... an opinion is an opinion and should be expressed as such... implicitly or explicitly...

The vague axiom that says that, "you can't rely on what you read on the internet" is not a strong enough reason to substract personal accountability in this forum... that is why I believe that we should point dubious behavior and interactions...
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[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by Max Power

It starts getting stupid, when we have to put disclaimers on our posts like.........."Don't try this at home, it may or may not work" there's more to accomplishment than following one method, just because something is different, doesn't make it wrong. I'm going to keep saying what I'm saying until somehwere in charge tells me to shut up or leave. [/I]

I haven't seen or read any examples of how SR has specifically worked for anyone. I have read where people found it Steve Is Wrong, and Endangering His Readers
irresponsible enough for people to never come back to these forums again.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by ZHereford

I haven't seen or read any examples of how SR has specifically worked for anyone. I have read where people found it Steve Is Wrong, and Endangering His Readers
irresponsible enough for people to never come back to these forums again.

I think you're telling the wrong person. I'm not a mod, I'm not SP, I'm a member of a public forum contributing in the best way I think possible. If people feel strongly about somehing being said or an idea or theory being proposed here then they should take it up with the people who run and own this forum.

Whining about it publically is hardly constructive and I'm sure if SP and the mods feel strongly enough they would change the focus, delete posts, issue warnings whatever. I don't see that on my behalf, so I continue.

If I write something, it's obviously my opinion, do I say it's law? No. Do I say it has to be followed? No. I actually get PM's and public messages of thanks, so it works for me, yes some people think I'm crazy and deluded, yes some people freak out and leave, just like some people freak out and leave when they read about Hicks and their spirit guides and Robbins and his scary teeth. Just because millions of dollars have been made from something doesn't mean it's gospel, law or unfallable.

Maybe you should contact SP and ask him to place disclaimers on the posts and topics that you and shampooo think may scare some people, again this is a public place, last time I checked freedom of speech was allowable in a public place.

Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

that is why I believe that we should point dubious behavior and interactions...
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He who is without sin, cast the first stone.

You have over 2000 posts and most of them are simple one liners with your ad?? I hardly care what you do, but maybe look at your own motivation before casting aspirtions

Dubious indeed.

A public forum means the public use it and yes that includes you.



Max

[cylon]

Robbins and his scary teeth. Don't know if it's the same reference, but there was a sketch from the old series the Ben Stiller Show where he played a Robbins like guru with his huge flashy smile and told people "look at my TEETH!" hypnotizing them.

That was a damn funny show.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

You have over 2000 posts and most of them are simple one liners with your ad??

I now have 2752 posts... so if most of them are simple one liners... how about showing us five (5) of them... That should be easy enough...

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[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I now have 2752 posts... so if most of them are simple one liners... how about showing us five (5) of them... That should be easy enough...

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If I had to go back through all you posts, I'd have to kill myself for they know not what they do

I've tired of talking to the most boring part of me, now I must move onward, to aid those SP decent people who yearn for MAXIMUM POWER

Goodbye Shampooo, now I know why I never resond to your posts, they are way to self serving

Max

PS. Hey you weren't one of those 5 people (out or hundreds) that voted for Max Power to leave in the "Everyone Loves Max Power Poll" were you? Fore Shame Shampooooo....fore shame

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Max Power

If I had to go back through all you posts, I'd have to kill myself for they know not what they do

Another specific example of lack of logic and foundation... you said, "You have over 2000 posts and most of them are simple one liners..."

If there was any resemblance of truth to that statement... all that you would have to do is to pick any ten posts... the odds and the chances are extremely high that you would have at least five one liners... so, why don't you do it...???

Goodbye Shampooo,

Don't you think that name calling is a little juvenile for a 41 years old person...??? Not that I am offended... it's just that I prefer exchanging on a higher plane...

Hey you weren't one of those 5 people

No I was not... and I can prove it by making it #6 if you want... just give me a link to your thread...
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[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Shamou

I have tried a great many time to pin down one of those posters to ask him what kind of success "he" has had with his super-duper manifesting technique... the only response I have had was the sound and site of deafening silence... guess he can tell but he can't do... .

Oh you can try looking up my old posts. I have given numerous examples.

The problem with being skeptical is that you will merely think: "Oh, that incident was merely a coincidence ... and this incident too ... and that ... and THAT ... and that .... ah, yes and that one too .... and that .... and that ..... and that .... AND also that ... and that ..."

1,000 incidents later, you will merely say: "Bah, just 1,000 coincidences."

Of course, I do not doubt that action is also useful. After all, every deliberate, conscious action you take is merely once again your thought in action.

That is a point that many keep missing. I have explained many times before, so I shall not explain it again, except to say this very briefly -

Thought affects reality. And your own actions are also part of reality; although certainly not all of reality.

[ZHereford]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

That is a point that many keep missing. I have explained many times before, so I shall not explain it again, except to say this very briefly -

Thought affects reality. And your own actions are also part of reality; although certainly not all of reality.

I don't think that anyone would argue that everything begins with thought. That's very evident.

The problem is that many people get stuck there and don't take the action required to go along with the thought. All the doers and the shakers of this world are all action oriented people. The Bill Gates, the Ted Turners, the Richard Bransons. We know their ideas and visions began with thoughts! But their thoughts had to be executed into action.

Thoughts without action are just that - thoughts.