Is it a bad thing that SR makes no sense to me?

[XeutonMojukai]

I hate to offend anyone who seems to love SR, but to me it is far too confusing to make any sense...

If reality is my own choice, then somewhere I chose to have neurological disorders that get in the way of my mind's ability to function.

If I'm directly connected to consciousness as long as I am willing to trust that, then I should be the most successful 19-year-old who ever lived, since my mind knows no limits that it doesn't just transcend instantly.

If I can manifest anything, then why can't I manifest the lack of requiring hard work on top of the endless stuff I do just to be sane day-to-day?

How can I have large-scale, long-term plans to change the world when every day is infinitely filled with conscious thought to control my own ego?

Finally, what do all these stupid words mean, anyway? why does anyone care, when it's perfectly easy to make a difference by being your own change?

If there is only one consciousness, then it's perfectly reasonable that I can will all people to have the same mindset as myself, yet that's not the case.

If I'm the only consciousness that exists, then those of you reading this are illusions, and do not exist except as part of my mind...

Not only is this confusing, but it's also the most amoral system I've ever seen, and is simply a justification for cheating in life.

Why not embrace finiteness, and die knowing you'll immediately be infinite again?

Isn't the most fascinating thing about life the fact that you're not every person, but rather just one among many?

Isn't it more fun to be part of a group than the Mastermind of existence?

Pretty f***ing lonely, if you ask me...

So what if you can win the lottery or make someone say something? It's a cheap trick of your preternatural divinity and is going against the whole point of our lives...

If life is a game, why not play by the rules, or at least make the rules fair?

And finally, if psychics do exist, why can't their almighty consciousness be fabricating the things they sense, just to give the illusion of reality?

Alright, rant over, but think about all this, because it's not exactly like any of us really has a clue what we're talking about except from our perspective and that of our imaginative "transcendence" into objectivity, thinking we know what others are thinking...

Maybe I'm turning Cartesian, maybe I'm going insane, but maybe - just maybe - I'm coming onto something that none of you have ever thought about...

~ David

[seeker5]

I don't understand SR either. I've listened to the two podcasts on it and read several of the articles on it, but there are still holes I don't understand.

Steve does say you should experiment with it to fully understand it. While, I do play with it for brief moments of times as if it is true, I haven't carried out a full adoption of it to test it. My current focus is more on implementing and experimenting other things first. I'm sure eventually I'll get around to fully and completely experimenting with SR and reading every article there exist about it. Until then I'll continue to not really understanding it and I'm fine with that.

[Shamou]

Robert M. Pirsig who wrote the classic “Zen and that Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” said something to the to the effect that… “If metaphysic does something for you… fine… if not, leave it alone and go on your merry way…”

I believe that it is excellent advice…

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[XeutonMojukai]

Thanks guys...

I get so many mixed messages here, that having such clear-cut understanding layed out is very nice indeed.

~ david

[Angela]

Originally Posted by XeutonMojukai

maybe I'm going insane, but maybe - just maybe - I'm coming onto something that none of you have ever thought about...

~ David

Hey there, David. As it turns out, ALL of your questions and concerns have been addressed and discussed at length and ad nauseum here in this forum. You sound like you're too busy to go through and read it all, so I'll summarize it for you:

Con: "Braack! It's wrong!"
Pro: "Well, that's true in YOUR reality!"
Mod: "It's a tool. Use it if it helps you; don't if you don't."

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Angela

Hey there, David. As it turns out, ALL of your questions and concerns have been addressed and discussed at length and ad nauseum here in this forum. You sound like you're too busy to go through and read it all, so I'll summarize it for you:

Con: "Braack! It's wrong!"
Pro: "Well, that's true in YOUR reality!"
Mod: "It's a tool. Use it if it helps you; don't if you don't."

Could you set it up so that this quote stays stuck on everyone's monitor... top, right hand corner... it would simplify matters a whole lot...

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[XeutonMojukai]

There's more than just those three options, which is nice...

I personally think that the use of the LoA to make oneself powerful is a misuse of our connectedness.

I'm much more in favor of raising the power of all people in one action.

Think about the following:

If, in the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration had been wise enough to call all countries together, all people, and try to end every bad thing they could think of, the world would be so much better that the money they've made on the war would be insignificant compared to this impact they might have had.

In the words of Elrond:

"It should have ended that day; but Evil was allowed to endure... There is no honor left in men. They are scattered, divided, leaderless."

~ David

[Ilya]

Originally Posted by Angela

Con: "Braack! It's wrong!"
Pro: "Well, that's true in YOUR reality!"
Mod: "It's a tool. Use it if it helps you; don't if you don't."

Great one Angela. I was about to post a typical mod comment. Now, I don't have to .

[Dharma]

You don't have to know about SR to be in the world. Just be in the moment and receive your experiences as they come. That's all the world asks of you.

Some people on the planet are meant to be consciousness pioneers, some are technicians, some vibrate ease and flow, etc. Not everyone has to get this and it really is mind-candy for most anyway. It won't greatly change your life but it does open some doors if consciousness is your game.

[Akashic_Librarian]

I agree with the Motorcycle Maintenance quote....

If you don't WANT to understand it. Then go on...be off with you

If you DO want to understand it, then stop resisting it so much! The law is cyclic, it works upon itself, like the snake eating its own tail.

[MrBig]

Originally Posted by XeutonMojukai

I hate to offend anyone who seems to love SR, but to me it is far too confusing to make any sense...

Each human experience is a self-fulfilling prophesy, which is based on a subjective interpretation of an objective reality.

To me, SR it is not confusing; it is just not supported by modern science. Check out Mind Time by Benjamin Libet and for balance, Consciousness Explained by Daniel C. Dennett.

[XeutonMojukai]

Don't worry, I'm not a fan of modern science either when it comes to understanding reality.

I understand that the reality of this is certainly there, but I also understand that the application of it is a bit shady most of the time I see it.

~ David

[MrBig]

Originally Posted by XeutonMojukai

Don't worry, I'm not a fan of modern science either when it comes to understanding reality.

Why would I worry?

[XeutonMojukai]

just...



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On another note, I've actually come to realize that I have a pretty good worldview already, and that there's no real reason for me to be so afraid or annoyed.

I think I'll make it public once I flesh it out.

~ David

[ethereal]

I recently read a profound description of what SR may be like, and here's a copy of the post. The questions are provided for context

Why would the Saints, who were at union with God, create demons???????
That is illogical.

I understand what the person is trying to say. It's that they have their own 'inner demons' that are really aspects of themselves, unconscious perhaps, then manifesting in the world. If the world that is seen 'out there' is only a manifestation of what is 'in here', then demonic attributes to the world are really coming from inside, which is rather obvious in 'that state', or it infact may not be obvious, which would then really suck... The thing to do is realize that it is coming from some inner position, and then try to figure that out through so-called 'inner work'.

These demonic attributes of course, are only the ego, and so if you want to stop experiencing a hellish world while your third eye is open (or whatever it may be), then you of course, opt for spiritual purification. Now instead of hell, you see heaven, and the world reflects that back. It's all on how you percieve it, and the universe knows that too. It's very intelligent.

The opposite of creator is destroyer.
And of course, the destroyer creates destruction? They're not opposites, they're different aspects of the psyche. Do I wish to be benevolent, or violent in the energy field I put out? Not opposites at all.

When you "create " your reality how does that affect the realities
created by others?
It doesn't at all because there is 'no others' and they are one with you. Your reality IS there reality. However, they may not be experiencing this unity that you are experiencing. They are 'unaware' of this beautiful karmic dance of one-ness. That is because this level of perceiving the world is only coming out of a certain level of awareness - many are operating on OTHER levels of awareness. However there is an un-spoken recognition that ALL is aware of this, however they are simply not aware that they are aware. Plants and animals operate perfectly in this synchronicity, as do humans. It is all one infinite karmic dance that all participate in, because God is in everyone. God expresses himself perfectly through everyone, as if only to speak to you.

Other people don't experience this though, and so if you try and explain it to them, they will not understand at all. They'll ask you what it is, and you'll say "It's this.. This thing.. ... This.... thing... .. " And that's all. But in your own psyche, there is a known recognition that they won't understand what you are trying to say, and there is also a recognition that it is meant to be that way. That their 'not understanding' is perfect. Because it just will make it more wonderful for them when they realize what it was that they were missing all along. The recognition will be so profound upon there minds. It was all okay all along, they were held in perfect safety. They were, Gods Son, etc. All that stuff.

So they don't experience this oneness, instead they experience normal, average, daily perceptions. So it is said that the universe is a 'karmic whole' or 'unity'. What I percieve will radically alter and change the universe, however it will do so perfectly and concordantly into the lives of others, not just on this planet, but in this universe, and the other universes, and this dimension, and the other dimensions. It's all a whole. We all affect everyone else, because there is no-one else'. It's like a big, gigantic kaleidascope of karma and action and unity, held together by God consciousness operating underneath it all.

Do the realities created by others affect your reality??
Yes, but at the same time, no, because there's no difference between their reality and your reality, when you see the connecting principle operating underneath it (God). When you see that, you see that your all operating as a whole. It's hard to explain, but trust me, it's not the way you think. It's not like "I am controlling others" or doing this "against there will" - It's like that only if you channel negativity in that state, which only brings you to hell, and so you rigorously avoid all negative thinking because you realize it's essence, and how much more wonderful God is (because God is life). It's like the universe is ONE ORGANISM, and the actions of yourself, others, and everything inbetween, is one karmic dance. Every thought or change in your level of consciousness radically alters whatever happens, and this is the infinite quantum potentiality.

However, at the same time, the only thing it alters is the temporal. It in no way changes your ultimate reality, which is forever changeless and unalterable. The only thing you change is the world of effects.

Wouldn't it be true that if each person created their own
reality then at times their reality would clash with another's???
Hmm, a more accurate way to put it is that each person creates their own perception of reality, which then creates the 'out there' because consciousness is very powerful, especially when you realize unity. Whatever happens 'out there' is an illusion, and is only really pointing to what happens 'in here'. It is a .. confirmation .. it is creation.. it is Yourself? Not you "Marilyn" or you "Peter", but beyond the names. Beyond the duality of Me and You... There is God. Thus you have cause and effect. The rope and the snake. This is all at least, from my point of view. But i'm sure it's all pretty limited in other ways.. Hawkins talks about the death of the self and all, sheesh, sounds like he wants you to throw yourself into hell. Hehe! But I guess that's enlightenment for you, "Iy Caramba!" Oi ..

If you are the only one that exists then why is my reality different
from yours?
When I say I am the only one that exists, I mean that in the sense that with I, also comes along you, yet somewhere, we are united as one, and THIS is what we really are. This takes us back to something primal, primordial, within consciousness. Something that is allowing all action in the universe to happen with perfection synchronicity, recognition, knowingness and divine love, yet this thing, whatever it is, is hidden underneath ordinary consciousness. It is like a connecting principle of all life, and transcends time, words, dimensions, .. everything.. just about everything I think. Maybe not...


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Man, I love this quote:

"God expresses himself perfectly through everyone, as if only to speak to you."

To me, that explains and resolves all the contradictions and questions I had about SR