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07-06-2007, 06:11 PM
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This is my first post here. I'm a strong believer in Intention manifestation and LOA. I often get embarrassed by the strange looks people give when I tried to explain about LOA. I can see how people dragged them selves in to undesirable situations by their way of thinking which causes their behavior. In my community material comparisons is a major cause of problems with in families. I just want to tell them focus on some thing great. What is the good way to say that?
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07-06-2007, 07:52 PM
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Cherran, I asked this same question almost a year ago in the TUT Adventure forums and the answer that I got made a lot of sense. Basically, it is not our job to educate people, no matter how good we are at it or how much we believe that they need our help. If they are ready for the knowledge that will help them, they will attract it. The fact that WE know about the LOA doesn't automatically mean that everyone else is ready to learn it, or believe it for that matter. That answer rung true with me, so rather than actively go looking to help people, I simply kept on writing about the LOA and other self improvement concepts on my blog, and the people who were ready for that information internalized it and used it. That continues to be my system of "getting the word out" and my readership does continue to grow at a steady pace as a result. |
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07-06-2007, 08:22 PM
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Hello and welcome aboard cherran... If you honestly want to educate people about LoA... you get it to work for you... and when people see you having the things that you want... and leading an enchanted life... they'll come to you and ask what your secret is... then, and only then, will they listen to you... nobody likes to receive advice that is not being asked for... No one, and I mean no one... has any business... teaching about LoA until he or she has walked the walk and gotten the results... if you have not done it yourself... what comes out of your mouth is BS... you can only teach by being an example yourself... The very best of luck to you... and certainly hope that you like it here... and that we get to share, learn and grow together... Have a good day... and post away...  . |
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07-07-2007, 12:18 AM
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LOA is a broad topic. Well, of course it is. Thoughts affect reality - and reality is very, very, very broad, practically everything. I think that if you want to explain LOA to someone, you have to start from some aspect of his reality where he already has some implicit understanding of how thoughts affect reality. For example, if he is Christian, you may invite him to reconsider the meaning of that passage in the Bible which begins with: "Ask and it shall be given ...". If he is Buddhist, you may use as a starting point the idea of intention and karma and reality being an illusion. If he is "scientifically" minded, you may begin with Professor William Tiller's experiments; or the collapse of the wavefunction; or Professor Jahn's experiments at PEAR. If he is open to the idea that spirits, ghosts etc might exist, you could begin straightaway with Abraham-Hicks. If he is a sporty guy, you could use, as a starting point, reports about how professional athletes use creative visualisation and hypnosis. Remember - thoughts affect reality, and reality is very, very broad. If the LOA is true, then potentially we can find evidence of it at work, just about anywhere. Here, for example, is an article illustrating how global financial markets move in response to investors' thoughts. |
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07-07-2007, 12:38 AM
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07-07-2007, 07:02 PM
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So, if you focus on abundance... you will notice the opportunities that are open to you to achieve abundance... and it is the same for anything that you focus on... Anything else on that subject belongs to fantasy land... . | |
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07-07-2007, 11:50 PM
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I do it for me. I dont feel a burning desire to teach folks. In fact, I dont even have my books in my primary book case that everyone could see. I keep my books under my bed. If I meet someone who seems to have a predisposition to this type of stuff then I would talk with them about it. Otherwise, I keep it private. In the real world I think there are 3 people I discuss LofA, manifestation, meditation and the like with
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07-08-2007, 12:37 AM
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Aha, a skeptic. Has he been here? I haven't been visiting this forum lately. Quote:
The first thing I note is that Shamou has mentioned the reticular activating system. (By the way, Shamou, it's "reticular" not "reticulo"). This leads us to suspect that perhaps Shamou is interested in psychology or neuroscience. Therefore we would use this as our starting point. In Shamou's reality, LOA is explained as follows. By visualising, writing down your goals, using positive affirmations etc etc, you are directing your RAS to notice all evidence, opportunities etc to fulfill your goals. That is all, nothing more. The next step is to invite Shamou to consider his own personal ability to achieve goals (in terms of actions that he can personally take). For example, let us say that Shamou's goal is "to raise my own IQ significantly". What might he do then? Actions he could take are quite diverse, they include: 1. eating nutritional supplements? More fish? 2. mindmapping? 3. taking a course in creative thinking? 4. regular aerobic exercise? (some say the increased blood flow helps the brain) 5. trying out Edward de Bono's thinking tools for analysis? Etc. Suppose we then set another goal for Shamou. We say, "Raise the IQ of these 10 children over here. You have eight months to do so". Now, Shamou might start thinking: "Wow, that is difficult. How the hell do I do that?". Let's make it an even bigger challenge for Shamou. "Raise the IQ of these 10 children here. You will be their classroom teacher. However, there are 20 other students in the class. While raising the IQ of the 10 students, make sure that there is no change in the IQ of the other 20 students. Meanwhile, you must teach them exactly the same lessons in class, using the same textbooks, same materials, same amount of time, same everything." GASP! Says Shamou. "This is an impossible challenge. I have no idea how to go about doing that. Is that even scientifically possible?". Well, of course. Shamou doesn't know how to do it, but as we know, it is not really essential to know the "how" of achieving anything, using LOA. You just have to believe, and the rest follows. Let's revisit the Rosenthal Experiment. In this experiment, the teachers are tricked, completely duped, into believing that some students are much smarter than others. The students themselves are not told anything. The teachers have no 'challenge' - they are supposed to teach all the students in the usual way - English, Science, Maths etc. All other factors are controlled for - the only variable is what the teachers falsely believe. Eight months later, the kids falsely believed to be smart display a significantly bigger gain in their IQ scores than the kids falsely believed to be "average" or "below average". That is to say - simply because the teachers falsely believed the students to be smart, the students became smart. The belief itself transformed reality. The teachers did not set out to raise anyone's IQ. They merely taught their usual lessons on English, Maths, Science etc. But their belief raise their student's IQ. --- At this point, ALG will simply disappear from the forum again. Shamou will be shocked and dismayed by this compelling example of "thought affecting reality". Furiously, he will google and search for more information about the Rosenthal experiment and how he might be able to refute ALG's conclusions. Aha, Shamou had better watch his thoughts then. He might think "I really want to find out more about this damned Rosenthal experiment and how it can affect reality." Guess what new insights and knowledge Shamou might then attract onto himself? Good luck, Shamou! All the best! Have fun with your future manifesting!!! | |
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07-08-2007, 12:56 AM
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Hi Cherran, The best way is to take the strange looks you receive as a reflection of your own subconscious attitude. It may reflect the fact that something in you feels that your own mental understanding of LOA is very strange or that that knowledge separates you from others. In any case it reflects a distance between you and other people. Knowledge should help you understand others better and come closer to them but mind and ego have a way of using it to set us apart as different or better in some way. The wider truth is that the desire to tell people something is not the most desirable. Far better is to discover something more that you should tell yourself to make your understanding real in your own life. If you fully come to embody the truths that you understand, people will acquire that knowledge from your example. Trying to tell others what you do not fully live by won’t work. Even when you live it, it is better not to try to tell others. Living the inspiration of truth – especially in your relationship with them -- is the best to help others. |
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07-08-2007, 01:07 AM
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However, could I ask you a question... do you communicate on the same level with an intelligent person as you would with the village idiot... Of course not... Therefore the level and quality of communication with the students who were thought to have a higher IQ was not the same as with the other students... with the resulting results that they performed better... Nothing earth shattering about that... simple communication & psychology 101...  . | |
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07-08-2007, 01:13 AM
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I think the best way to “spread the word” is by personal example. But my personal favorite is to simply give out The Secret DVDs or audio CDs to those who ask something like “Wow, how did you do that?” | |
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07-08-2007, 01:31 AM
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Now the next thing to ask yourself - do you know how to communicate with your mother, so as to raise her IQ? How about your colleagues? How about your neighbour? How about your wife / husband? How about your best friends? How about your grandmother? You don't. At least your conscious mind doesn't. Which suggests that your unconscious mind, like the Rosenthal teachers' minds, knows a lot of things which your conscious mind doesn't. Now, apart from raising people's IQ scores through no conscious effort, what else might your unconscious mind do effortlessly? Earn a few million dollars? "Magically" heal your illnesses? Raise your own IQ? (which is primarily a measure of your logical intelligence and visual-spatial intelligence). How about raising your musical intelligence? Raise your interpersonal intelligence? Raise your intrapersonal intelligence? Raise your bodily-kinaesthetic intelligence? Raise your EQ? Raise your creativity? How about raising the linguistic, musical, bodily-kinaesthetic, interpersonal, intrapersonal, naturalist intelligences, and EQ, and creativity ... of your mother, your colleagues, your neighbour, your wife, your husband, your best friends, your grandmother? And yourself? "Nonsense!" you say. "I can't think of any way that this could be possible!" Of course you can't. Neither could the Rosenthal teachers. It is quite beyond their ... .... conscious minds. And after we've done all that, what shall we do next? Have you drawn up your list of 100 outrageously ambitious goals yet? Goodbye, Shamou!! Happy manifesting!! Try adjusting your RAS!! Last edited by Acting Like Godot; 07-08-2007 at 01:38 AM. | |
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07-08-2007, 03:46 AM
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However, if the LoA does work as you claim it does… why did the teachers have to be informed of the experiment… anyone can manifest… so in that case… why was not the “manifesting” done by those who were conducting the experiment…??? without even telling the teachers… had it been done that way, it would have been proof that LoA work as you say it does… But, it was not… the teachers do not know how they did it… but it was not through manifesting it… Quote:
Looking forward to reading you again... you may be a little bit off course... but you are obviously quite informed and intelligent... so it was a pleasure... and I thank you for it... I wish you the very best... and if you care to eventually get it... I'll be happy to tell you how...  . | ||
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07-08-2007, 04:03 AM
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In fact, the teachers are told a lie. They are tricked into believing that certain students are "smart", certain students are "average", and certain students are "below average". In truth, the students had indeed been subject to an IQ test, but the results were falsely communicated to the teachers. It is all randomised. For example, the teachers may be told that a particular student had scored "below average" when in fact he had scored "above average". The teachers may be told that a particular student had scored "above average" when in fact he had scored "below average". Eight months later, what happens next is that the teachers' false beliefs turn into reality. Students believed to be "smart" score much better on their IQ tests, regardless of whether they were initially smart or not. Although the teachers only taught English, Maths, Science, Music etc, the students whom they falsely believed to be smart, did much better on their IQ tests (which had nothing specifically to do with English, Maths, Science, Music etc). Quote:
Rosenthal's experiment carries much significance in the field of pedagogy. In follow-up experiments, it was discovered that: (a) who the teacher was; mattered much more (b) the kinds of teaching methods employed in predicting the students' performance. In other words, if one teacher believes that his students are smart, and another teacher believes that his students are stupid, then it does not really matter what kind of teaching methods are employed. Either teacher can use this textbook; or that textbook; or give more homework; or less homework; or use Powerpoint presentations, or not; or spend more hours teaching; or spend fewer hours teaching; or do more group projects, or fewer; etc etc it does not matter. As long as the teacher believes that his students are smart, his students will do better than the students whose teachers believes that they are stupid. | ||
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07-08-2007, 04:39 AM
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But, what does that have to do with LoA…??? . | |
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07-08-2007, 06:33 AM
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What has this got to do with LOA? Well, LOA predicts that if you believe something strongly enough, it will manifest into reality. The belief need not be logical. Your belief need not be true. It need only be held strongly, and reality will bend and shift to make it come true. As for the bending and shifting, it may be something you can explain. Or it may be something quite inexplicable. Either way, reality will change just so that the belief becomes reality. Here the teachers believe strongly that certain students have been tested to be very smart. The teachers believe it completely. Why? Because they had been told a big pack of lies, but didn't suspect otherwise. Nevertheless, their false belief rapidly becomes reality. Eight months later, when all the students take another IQ test, the students falsely believed to be "smart" indeed do a lot better than the rest (including those who previously had performed better, but whom the teachers were told were "below average"). In other words, by falsely believing some students to be "smart", the teachers genuinely made them smart. By falsely believing some students to be "stupid", the teachers genuinely made them stupid. Of course, the teachers would not have deliberately wanted to make any student stupid. And also, if they thought it possible, they would have wanted to make every student develop as high an IQ as possible. But most likely the teachers would not even have thought that they could, through normal classroom lessons, raise anyone's IQ, much less lower it. So what are the extrapolations you would want to explore? Suppose, by some mechanism, such as positive affirmations, or daily goal-writing, or hypnosis, or NLP, or Steve's IM techniques, you could induce your subconscious mind to accept an objectively "false" belief, eg "I am a genius"; or "All my students are geniuses"; or "My body is extremely fit and healthy"; or "I have millions of dollars in my bank account"; or "ALG is magnificent at manifesting his intentions" "There is world peace" "I find my dream job" "I have an absolutely marvellous sex life" .... whatever. How would reality bend and shift? | |
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07-08-2007, 04:47 PM
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Insisting that "higher" education is the end all be all (as you are doing) keeps you rooted deeply in the conventional view of the world. And what is the conventional view of the world ? Well that LOA is complete and utter BS ! ! | |
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07-08-2007, 05:12 PM
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And, the quote cited above almost describe the way that it was taught… the exact words that would describe it are be, “Your feelings attract your life.” That is to say that if you feel that you are prosperous, lucky, healthy and happy… that is what will be manifested in your life… and the reverse will also be true… However, in no way was it used to be the final solution… it also taught that “Faith without work is dead.” Which means that you must contribute actively to attract and ultimately receive whatever that you are after… Now, in these pages I have seen the case of a member who quit his job and borrowed money to live on so that he would be free to manifest great abundance exclusively through LoA… The last post from that member was one of despair and utter depression… it was not working and now the member was up to his neck in debt and did not know where to turn too to put his life back on rails… And for that I lay the blame squarely on the shoulders of certain posters who promulgate a bastardized version of LoA as being an exact and easy science to obtain whatever it is that you want… and frankly… that pisses me off… BTW... ALG... I do not include you in those false prophets... . | |
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07-08-2007, 05:17 PM
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07-08-2007, 05:26 PM
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-- BTW- I personally wouldn't use the term Law of Attraction. Doesn't fully put into words what exactly is going on. I would use...........................well hell, how'm I going to able put into words the process whereby awareness is the central fact of existence, not matter and this being so all solid experiences we experience are tricks of the mind ? But Shamou, I'd be glad to discuss this further with you, the illusion that we think we are solid physical matter. Just let me know. | |
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07-08-2007, 06:42 PM
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Ok let's start. Consider what the very latest in science is telling us. Matter is empty. The core of matter is empty. That being the case.........What does that tell you about your 'solid' experiences? If matter is basically 'empty' how is that you experience it as solid? | |
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07-08-2007, 11:05 PM
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1. Karma means that whatever happens in your life is a result of your thoughts and deeds. In other words, your thoughts and deeds shape your reality. 2. Definite intention followed up by decisive action attracts the strongest karmic consequences (whether good or bad). Weak intention followed up by half-hearted action attracts weaker karmic consequences (whether good or bad). 3. Thought in itself (ie an intention) followed by no action also attracts karmic consequences. Thus, for example, suppose you think of saving someone in an emergency, but before you can do so, the fireman has already done it. You do accumulate some good karma for your intention, even though you did not actually save the person. 4. No karmic consequences attach, for deeds done without intention. For example you accidentally step on a snail, crushing it. No karmic consequences attach, for the act of destroying life. However, if you deliberately step on the snail, that's a different story. Now if you analyse the Buddhist position carefully, you'll see that deeds (barring the inadvertent ones) are basically extensions of thought. For example, you set the intention of becoming rich, and then you work hard to become rich. The act of working hard is basically your intention in action. If at any point, you decided not to become rich, you would cease to work hard. What the Buddhist position does tell you that every thought, in itself, whether followed through or not, already has karmic consequences. In other words, simply by thinking that you're going to become rich, you have effected a change in reality, arguably setting forth a chain of events that will/may lead you to become rich. Of course, if you decisively follow up with a concrete plan, eg concerning (a) cutting down expenses, (b) increasing savings, (c) getting promoted at work etc etc, then the karmic consequences are stronger, because each of your acts in relation to (a), (b) and (c) are also possible only because you are thinking thoughts in relation to becoming rich, eg "Okay, let's cut down on expenses. If I stop spending on X, Y and Z, I will be $800 richer every month ...." etc. But as I said, in Buddhism, it would be wrong to think that the intention alone attracts no karmic consequences. | |
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07-09-2007, 12:46 AM
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We don't need to educate others, we only need to educate ourselves. Why do I post on this forum, why do I persist, because I choose too but actually it's because I'm only ever educating myself.Every word that I write, every word that I read is the one thing educating itself. It's a nice perception to consider that we are helping others, but that's an illusion to justify seperation for the sake of the experience. You only ever educate yourself and as you do that, the whole is affected. This is what is meant by improving the state of consciousness, when you love someone, you improve the overall state, when you hate someone you deaden it, you disrupt it, you damage it as it makes it's way back to perfection, which is the whole point of the experience. The sum total of everything I do affects the overall state of consciousness and that is the meaning of life, to improve consciousness, to get back to perfection. Now some will say that consciousness is already perfect of that we are perfect, but that's not true, for creation is an imperfect output, that's the only way to know thyself, to see thyself as an opposite to know thyself. So in short, as you love yourself, as you educate yourself, you do so unto others, just like in the bible, except without the boring parts Max |
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07-09-2007, 02:17 AM
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I have a reservation however… I cannot accept the proposition that, “whatever happens in our life is a result of our thoughts and deed…” Granted thoughts and deeds have a very large influence on the unfolding of our lives… however many other forces are also at work in shaping that life… not the least of which is the interaction of society and more precisely our parents and our peers… I was fortunate enough to have had wonderful parents who instilled confidence in me and set me on the right path… and for that… I had absolutely nothing to do… so karma certainly had very little influence on that… (I am voluntarily skipping the subject of reincarnation) The same is not true for everyone… I have personally counseled many people who had miserable childhood… they were not responsible for that… and that fact certainly messed up their lives… big time… And, that is just one example among many… So… basically everything else in the post is very logical and would be accepted by most mature thinkers… but, I do have much reservation about the karma part of Buddhism... . | |
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07-09-2007, 06:19 PM
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The problem one runs into is mainstream Buddhism doesn't go into depth into what the word really means. Go to Tibet, talk to a Tibetan master and he'll say Karma is simply this moment, the cause and effect of each moment, which causes the next moment, and so on. Thats all it means. BTW Shamou, I noticed you've discovered the best way to always end a discussion in your favor. You simply bow out. In case you need a refresher. I asked you the following question; Care to respond, or will you simply ignore it ? Quote:
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