The Strange State of Faith

[jdiddy]

I've gone thru quite an interesting transformation in the past two years, and I've ended up at an interesting place (for now, I guess). I figured I would describe it here because I'm curious to see if anyone else has reached this place and if you find it as... "odd"... as I do.

It started out with me finding the law of attraction stuff, thru Steve, and then the Secret. It all resonated with me, and I started putting it into practice. I noticed things starting to happen... slowly... and so I stuck with it, with limited success.

I started realizing that I had all these preconceived rules around the process, like I have to spend time focusing on it, there had to be an alpha-reflection acknowledgement, I had to be grateful, whatever. So I took Occam's Razor to them and starting acknowledging that if the simplest answer is always the most correct, then the simplest answer was that there was no rule. As I made this realization, the manifestations started happening faster and faster. I realized that all you really have to do is DECIDE and then GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Once I made that realization (and thanks Max for all your great stuff you've been writing on choice, it's helped clarify a few things for me), I started being able to manifest stuff really quickly lately, and it's really cool but it's also kinda weird at the same time. It feels like I'm in a movie or something.

Like, if I want it to thunderstorm (I like storms), I just choose for it to storm and pretty soon it will start to storm. If I'm talking to someone and I want to talk about a difficult topic with someone, I choose for it to be brought up and they'll bring it up in conversation. If I choose to have more money, I get an unexpected check in the mail. It's really cool, but also so strange that this actually works. And not to say it's like this ALL the time, because I still get distracted and discouraged about things from time to time (although MUCH less than I did before).

I also noticed, though, that I have much less emotion about things than I did before. Kind of like Steve said in a blog post a while back, I'll see something terrible on TV and just accept it as what is. I don't really have emotional ups and downs anymore, I just kind of watch things unfold, smile and laugh at how things turn out, and generally marvel at how perfect it is. I'll get an unexpected check for $2000 and think "oh cool, I forgot I wanted that", and go deposit it, no jumping up and down or anything. I think that's probably because the jumping up and down part goes with a total, sudden change in your reality. I get that from time to time just thinking how cool it is that this is possible, but not so much for money or material things anymore.

So I guess what I'm wondering is, has anyone else experienced this state of faith, and what do you think of it? That's all I can really call this, because that what it is--faith that as sure as you come back down when you jump up, what I choose to happen will happen if I just get out of the way.

(And also I was raised Christian, so the concept of faith resonates with me--for the first time in my life, now that I'm thinking of it

[Lallymac]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

As I made this realization, the manifestations started happening faster and faster. I realized that all you really have to do is DECIDE and then GET OUT OF THE WAY.

So I guess what I'm wondering is, has anyone else experienced this state of faith, and what do you think of it? That's all I can really call this, because that what it is--faith that as sure as you come back down when you jump up, what I choose to happen will happen if I just get out of the way.

(And also I was raised Christian, so the concept of faith resonates with me--for the first time in my life, now that I'm thinking of it

Hi jdiddy,
I don't know that it even requires faith. I first became aware of IM 18 yrs ago on a 'Miracle of Metaphysics' course and played with the notion just for fun. At that stage I'd had no experience of it but it seemed like a fun thing to do and made me feel better about my situation. I had amazing things happen. Money and very specific things I wanted came to me from totally unexpected sources. It blew me away and kind of scared me (a bit like finding a magic wand and no rule book).

Like you, I don't think there are any rules. I've successfully used it since, when I've been backed up against a wall or even with things don't matter that much. I've found it works when I clearly state what I want and forget about it. I don't know how many times I've gone OMG I asked for that last week.

Lally

[Lychee]

Hmm...so you never did any sort of meditation or anything? If you wanted a different conversation topic, you just said "I want to talk about _______" in your head and it happened?

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Lychee

Hmm...so you never did any sort of meditation or anything? If you wanted a different conversation topic, you just said "I want to talk about _______" in your head and it happened?

Right... just like I decide to scratch my head, I decide I want a topic to be brought up.

[Max Power]

Choice manifests, the rest is trimmings There really is no need for thought or emotion in the creative process for they are creations also, great for validating, but not for creating.

I don't like the word faith, it seems to imply an opposite, like doubt.

Choose it to be so and it is.

Max

[Cantando]

Max, I choose for the world to explode at 11 o'clock GMT today. Do you think it will happen? If you choose it not to, whose choice wins?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Max, I choose for the world to explode at 11 o'clock GMT today. Do you think it will happen? If you choose it not to, whose choice wins?

CT, you have asked the ultimate question, who's choices win? The answer depends on what you believe. In the collective consciousness model, we'd have to say it's a shared thing and we are taking turns on some level or that the stronger conscious person wins or that we are all working togther to make it all work, so again it's shared. In the universal model, the universe, not us, decides, we have some input, but the universe is running the show.

Of course in the SR model we all know how it works Incidentally, I would never choose that so it's not going to happen any time soon


Max

[Lychee]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Choice manifests, the rest is trimmings There really is no need for thought or emotion in the creative process for they are creations also, great for validating, but not for creating.

I don't like the word faith, it seems to imply an opposite, like doubt.

Choose it to be so and it is.

Max

So the teachers in "The Secret" are incorrect in saying that visualizing and bringing in emotion is the way to create or manifest things into your life?

[Old Soul]

I don't really have emotional ups and downs anymore, I just kind of watch things unfold, smile and laugh at how things turn out,

Understood, I experience the same thing, I thought for me it was like my emotions have been trained or come under subjection to my mind ... like that my being was in better harmony....... at least that is how I interpret my experience

[Akashic_Librarian]

Lychee...you are correct sir (or ma'am). The truth is to create, we must be emtionally UNATTACHED...aint it funny lol

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Max, I choose for the world to explode at 11 o'clock GMT today. Do you think it will happen? If you choose it not to, whose choice wins?

If you really wanted it you would take direct action.

[Dan.Linehan]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I also noticed, though, that I have much less emotion about things than I did before.

Hey jdiddy. I just wanted to say that I'm right there with you, I'm going through many of the same scenarios.

Who knew this was what faith is like, eh?

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Max, I choose for the world to explode at 11 o'clock GMT today. Do you think it will happen? If you choose it not to, whose choice wins?

Cantando.
Obviously it won't happen cause, do you really think it will?
Now if you were living in the Cold War era tho, your chances would be higher.

Whose choice wins?
Everybodies. (Or rather Every-"I's")

In your world, if your really thought it would happen, a nuclear blast would happen.

Not in Max's world.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

I realized that all you really have to do is DECIDE and then GET OUT OF THE WAY.

You're right and I would like to share with you another perspective on this.

Put aside LOA and IM for a moment. Just imagine that you've never heard of those things.

There are numerous things that each of us decides in our own lives, and then just get out of the way. And all of those things just happen. It feels very natural - so natural that we often forget one very important point.

What is natural for one of us .... can be very unnatural for others.

Eg suppose that when A is a teenager, he could already see himself as happily married with children. It may feel perfectly natural for A. He "decides" and he "gets out of the way" and yes, ten years later, he IS happily married with children. It is not something he thinks of as amazing or remarkable.

But for others, the idea of getting married, or having children, could be a troubling or scary or intimidating thought. It depends on their values, their background, their personal experiences. They find it hard to "decide" and "get out of the way", on these matters.

For LOA practitioners, it's important to identify your limiting beliefs. What are the things that you find difficult to "decide" on and "get out of the way"? We have to try to see that there are probably many other people in the world who WOULDN'T see those things as difficult. They may see it as perfectly natural and to be expected.

So, it is a matter (a serious matter) of adjusting our own thoughts. That's the "deciding" part. Once that's done, let the universe step in and do the rest.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Lychee

So the teachers in "The Secret" are incorrect in saying that visualizing and bringing in emotion is the way to create or manifest things into your life?

Yes they are wrong to identify thought and emotion as creative, but for the purposes of acceptance, people do it this way when in reality choice creates and people think that the thoughts and emotions they layer on top do the creating. If the denial works for some people then great, but to fast track manifestation, there is nothing more powerful than choice.

Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

If you really wanted it you would take direct action.

Yes, I could and even if you thought you did, you didn't, I did and then denied it

Confused? Such is the nature of consciousness, the most vast powerful game of denial available.

Max

[Akashic_Librarian]

Haha I love talking about SR.

What annoys me a bit though is when people say rather n00bish things like...Well what if I want a job and someone else wants it, and there is only one place...who gets it?

these people obviously have no real grasp of the philosophy that is Subjective Reality.

Ahh to be ignorant again...all those millenia ago. Those where the days when I could just go out hunting, and feel terrific fear if the fire god is angry...pfft...and then I had to reincarnate again and again!

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

these people obviously have no real grasp of the philosophy that is Subjective Reality.

Indeed, the strange parts of conscious denial forever tumbling down the rabbit hole, such necessity are they.

People are not conscious, only conscisousness is conscious. People are creations just like the one in the mirror, this is most joyous for there is true self inside the container, everything contained and perfect playing a game of imperfection, tricking itself into points of denial of true self and true power.

A joyous game of acceptance forever tainted with a hint of denial for justification of game/container.

Max