Choice V Thought

[lemmex]

Originally Posted by Tobias Zimpel

You are no teacher, as long as you stand above your pupils. If you want to be a teacher, instead of only showing around how great you are, step down again - at least for the moment.

An important idea to remember and hope I don't offend, but an important point has been made that everyone knows or do they?

No person here is a teacher and any of the posts shouldn’t be taken at that level. We are all at our own level. We all need to remember this.

We can't look at a post saying it’s absolute, even the writer can't take such liberty. We have to accept each concept presents what the other person sees from his or her specific frame of personal reference. Everyone has one, it is individual and unique. What every post should bring to us is, it gives us the opportunity to expand perception in ways we may have not considered and so opens newer ways of seeing.

For me, I agree with parts and that is enough. There should be great diversity in our responses. Human nature tells us people will stick to their position and we have to accept this as a fact. There is no right or wrong. Keep in mind to change any part of a concept requires even more changes and even changing concepts and coming up with new truths.

By implying the author isn’t a teacher I think slights the rest who comment on the concept a writer. You validate the author and the rest of us are merely arguing and is of no value. My vision of reading a post is, take point A and point B (of another perceptive) to form point C. We have to go all the way to Z. It’s the idea we’re after, the understanding that is illusive for each of us (even when we think we understand).

The fact you may say he is not (the) a teacher, then does that make me the teacher because I or someone else disagreed with him, providing our own view to consider knowing he won’t see as I don’t see his position (entirely).

We all change. He “will” change his (own) concept(s), as do we all, as will I, as will we all. These are possessive things that mirror us. I hope no takes anything any one person says as the Gospel, else we are in trouble. We need to read all concepts and not focus on the original post, simply because that idea is locked. I think it has to be about the reader who sees one idea here and another here in building a total truth.

In a true sense every poster contributes and it is the responsibility of the reader to examine everything. I hope I have not offended anyone especially saying no one is a teacher here. I simply put this out saying we need to throw any idea of right and wrong, it is about learning.

[Tobias Zimpel]

Originally Posted by lemmex

An important idea to remember and hope I don't offend, but an important point has been made that everyone knows or do they?

No person here is a teacher and any of the posts shouldn’t be taken at that level. We are all at our own level. We all need to remember this.

That's what I wrote - or at least intended to write.

I believe - and I think that you would agree with me - that all human beings are learning from others as well als others are learning from them. The second role is what I called teaching.

My vision of reading a post is, take point A and point B (of another perceptive) to form point C. We have to go all the way to Z. It’s the idea we’re after, the understanding that is illusive for each of us (even when we think we understand).

That's not far from what I do - but first if I'm at point A, and the one whose post I'm reading is on point B, in order to form the C, we have to understand and embrace the other persons standpoint, don't we? And so if I'm on point A, my job is to explain it to B, and his, to explain B to me, so we could then find out how they relate to each other and could form a greater point called C.

So I (=A( was presented with a standpoint that is different from mine (=B), so I asked the person on that standpoint to answer some questions I have about his standpoint, and the answer was some shallow explanation of what the difference between A and B is, in words one can only relate to if one is on B oneselve.

Does that make any sense to you?

In a true sense every poster contributes and it is the responsibility of the reader to examine everything. I hope I have not offended anyone especially saying no one is a teacher here. I simply put this out saying we need to throw any idea of right and wrong, it is about learning.

Of course it is. But isn't it also to help others learn to the best of ones abilities? I believe it is!

[lemmex]

Originally Posted by Tobias Zimpel

But isn't it also to help others learn to the best of ones abilities? I believe it is!

Yes you were clear, I thought your point was well taken. Any confusion there is my writing style. I agree with the points you made and I (had) hoped to add other considerations in amplifying why it was.

I use to think as you said, but find people tend to stick to positions and points for a long time. We have to work out how revelations operate how and what they mean to us and this can take years to accept. I'm not sure we should even give too much information because it tends to be confuse. As a rule of thumb for me, if a person wants to know, they will ask, if they don't, they won't. I think to give knowledge when not asked may be trying to force knowledge which is wrong. If interested PM and I wouldn't mind talking to you more about it. I'm still in the decision stage here and break my own rules...grins.