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That's from 'Bleep' I think. It's a great way to explain something usually complex. This particular video explains 'The Observer Effect'. It implies that nothing exists in solid physical form until it is observed i.e. the wave collapses to a particle when observed. The thing is, if a cow is oberving a tree that no human is looking at, does the tree exist? What about flies and what they observe. Something to think about. Perhaps you can only say that only what you personally observe exists. If a cow is observing something that I am not, neither the tree nor the cow exist if I'm not observing them. Who knows for sure but this could be supporting evidence for the notion of Subjective Reality - maybe. |
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Well, here's the thing, things happen differently at the quantum level than up here. That's the tricky bit, no one has yet produced a unified theory which combines both of them. So it's not like a human looking at a tree to make it exist, but it is happening at the subatomic level. At least, that's my understanding and its pretty basic.
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The reason we don't see this is our inherited World views. Shift your perspective, unlearn your inherited World views, and you see the "laws" of the quantum level at the Macro level. Quote:
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And, what about blind people... what do they sit on if they can't see the chair...??? . | |
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Great video. As it's already been said, simple way of demonstrating something seemingly complex. The thing the experiment displays repeatedly, beyond any doubt, is that observing the individual electron alters its behaviour, the outcome, in ways that defy current 'laws'. The observer has an influence. Poses interesting questions. We 'observe' (believe) a lot of things unconsciously. Just like we are consciously unaware of the myriad of minute processes in our cells. They still occur, controlled by the unconscious. For me, it is comprehensible that the unconscious conditioning inherit in and constantly transmitted by societies and cultures, can shape beliefs in the same way. So why we may consciously choose to believe something, or change something, until the unconscious beliefs that we are largely unaware of are changed, they will continue to dictate to, and colour, or shape individual consciousness/sensation, or 'reality'.
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What people are saying here is just one interpretation of quatum physics. The question of the "observer effect" is more complicated than that. Observer effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Interpretation of quantum mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Seems like quantum physics is the most bastardized theory from the physicist point of view. People use it to justify all kinds of metaphysical beliefs. That's not to say I disagree with anybody here, physics has many unanswered questions. People may believe what they believe regardless of what science says. The developments in physics are interesting to me because of the implications it can have on my life. I do hope we get closer to answering the perennial questions, I'm having a hard time finding my purpose with some of these unanswered (possibly unanswerable) questions. There are probably hundreds of physics/metaphysical topics out there, you could further reading into but here's a few. String Theory/M Theory (seems the most popular yet unfalsified theory) End of the Universe Finite or Infinite Universe Many Universes/Worlds or Multiverse How can something come from nothing? Did that happen? Interesting websites: Theories with Problems by Keith Mayes Contents - Everything Forever On Truth and Reality: Philosophy Physics Metaphysics of Space, Wave Structure Matter. Famous Science Art Quotes
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Or as Pirsig would say, you become aware of the quality of the situation. Observing just means two things interact with each other. It doesn't has to be visual perception.
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Or as Pirsig would say, you become aware of the quality of the situation. Observing just means two things interact with each other. It doesn't has to be visual perception.
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After seeing the video, the two waves effect pointed me to the origin of "flower of life" of the sacred geometry.. doen't it? The interlace effect looks very similiar...just a thought.. |
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