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Old 06-13-2007, 09:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Quantum physics Explained by cartoon

I found a movie on YouTube that is impressive to watch.

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Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That's from 'Bleep' I think. It's a great way to explain something usually complex. This particular video explains 'The Observer Effect'.

It implies that nothing exists in solid physical form until it is observed i.e. the wave collapses to a particle when observed. The thing is, if a cow is oberving a tree that no human is looking at, does the tree exist? What about flies and what they observe. Something to think about.

Perhaps you can only say that only what you personally observe exists. If a cow is observing something that I am not, neither the tree nor the cow exist if I'm not observing them. Who knows for sure but this could be supporting evidence for the notion of Subjective Reality - maybe.
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Old 06-13-2007, 01:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Well, here's the thing, things happen differently at the quantum level than up here. That's the tricky bit, no one has yet produced a unified theory which combines both of them. So it's not like a human looking at a tree to make it exist, but it is happening at the subatomic level. At least, that's my understanding and its pretty basic.
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It implies that nothing exists in solid physical form until it is observed i.e. the wave collapses to a particle when observed. The thing is, if a cow is oberving a tree that no human is looking at, does the tree exist? What about flies and what they observe. Something to think about.
.....and this shows you infinity. Infinite perspectives exist and All are valid !

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Well, here's the thing, things happen differently at the quantum level than up here.
No. They happen exactly like at the quantum level.

The reason we don't see this is our inherited World views.
Shift your perspective, unlearn your inherited World views, and you see the "laws" of the quantum level at the Macro level.

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So it's not like a human looking at a tree to make it exist, but it is happening at the subatomic level.
Saying this implies the subatomic level chooses from sub atomic Potenia to perceive/produce the form we label "tree".
In effect making humans unconscious robots.

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Old 06-20-2007, 12:00 AM   #6 (permalink)
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that was really cool
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It implies that nothing exists in solid physical form until it is observed
Does that mean that if I hit a parked with mine because I did not see it I will not have an accident because the parked car does not exist...

And, what about blind people... what do they sit on if they can't see the chair...???

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You can observe with your skin, your ears, your mouth, your nose, etc ....
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Does that mean that if I hit a parked with mine because I did not see it I will not have an accident because the parked car does not exist...

And, what about blind people... what do they sit on if they can't see the chair...???
Good point Shamou. It's very interesting. I would like to hear opinions on that. If I'm not observing the car ahead and I suddenly hit it, does this mean that the wave forms of both cars collided? Or does 'observing' mean something more than seeing with your eyes like Niki suggests
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Great video. As it's already been said, simple way of demonstrating something seemingly complex. The thing the experiment displays repeatedly, beyond any doubt, is that observing the individual electron alters its behaviour, the outcome, in ways that defy current 'laws'. The observer has an influence. Poses interesting questions. We 'observe' (believe) a lot of things unconsciously. Just like we are consciously unaware of the myriad of minute processes in our cells. They still occur, controlled by the unconscious. For me, it is comprehensible that the unconscious conditioning inherit in and constantly transmitted by societies and cultures, can shape beliefs in the same way. So why we may consciously choose to believe something, or change something, until the unconscious beliefs that we are largely unaware of are changed, they will continue to dictate to, and colour, or shape individual consciousness/sensation, or 'reality'.
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What people are saying here is just one interpretation of quatum physics. The question of the "observer effect" is more complicated than that.

Observer effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Interpretation of quantum mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Seems like quantum physics is the most bastardized theory from the physicist point of view. People use it to justify all kinds of metaphysical beliefs. That's not to say I disagree with anybody here, physics has many unanswered questions. People may believe what they believe regardless of what science says.

The developments in physics are interesting to me because of the implications it can have on my life. I do hope we get closer to answering the perennial questions, I'm having a hard time finding my purpose with some of these unanswered (possibly unanswerable) questions.


There are probably hundreds of physics/metaphysical topics out there, you could further reading into but here's a few.

String Theory/M Theory (seems the most popular yet unfalsified theory)
End of the Universe
Finite or Infinite Universe
Many Universes/Worlds or Multiverse
How can something come from nothing? Did that happen?

Interesting websites:
Theories with Problems by Keith Mayes
Contents - Everything Forever
On Truth and Reality: Philosophy Physics Metaphysics of Space, Wave Structure Matter. Famous Science Art Quotes
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Does that mean that if I hit a parked with mine because I did not see it I will not have an accident because the parked car does not exist...

And, what about blind people... what do they sit on if they can't see the chair...???

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The existence of the car crash begins in the moment in which you see your car again and go "Holy ****".
Or as Pirsig would say, you become aware of the quality of the situation.

Observing just means two things interact with each other. It doesn't has to be visual perception.
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Does that mean that if I hit a parked with mine because I did not see it I will not have an accident because the parked car does not exist...

And, what about blind people... what do they sit on if they can't see the chair...???
The existence of the car crash begins in the moment in which you see your car again and go "Holy ****".
Or as Pirsig would say, you become aware of the quality of the situation.

Observing just means two things interact with each other. It doesn't has to be visual perception.
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Talking about this in terms of “bad news” or “bad judgment by business leaders” seems archaic. It’s like describing World War One as “a serious diplomatic concern.”
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Observing just means two things interact with each other. It doesn't has to be visual perception.
That makes a huge difference... and much more sense... thanks for enlightening me...

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Gotta love that Pirsig... in my opinion, he's one of the truly great...
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After seeing the video, the two waves effect pointed me to the origin of "flower of life" of the sacred geometry.. doen't it?

The interlace effect looks very similiar...just a thought..
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After seeing the video, the two waves effect pointed me to the origin of "flower of life" of the sacred geometry.. doen't it?

The interlace effect looks very similiar...just a thought..
Amasing isn't it! So many old, Indigenous cultures display the same type of observations.
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