Deeper Understanding of LOA

[AndyMartin]

I find it fascinating that the law of attraction is described as scientific yet for months I've seen people here puzzling over their results. Steve and every other LoA teacher out there has offered very specific techniques they they have personally validated, and yet they're not working for everyone.

Yes, we can play the blame game, and we do: What did I do wrong? What did that guy on the forums do wrong? What did that teacher say that's wrong? But in the end, we have to trust that people capable of living in this complex world are capable of following rather simple instructions. Which leaves us to question our understanding and our methods.

I'm curious whether it's just a handful of teachers or whether there are more people out there interested in coming to understand the law of attraction at a deeper level, a more fundamental and universal, teachable level? (I'm actually curious about the same thing with regard to psychic ability, receptivity to altered states of consciousness, etc. but that's for later...) Because part of the problem is that all of these teaching models were developed based primarily on a single person's experience, supported by limited self-selecting participants.

After the emergence of new principles follows the refinement. The scientific method took hundreds of years to refine to the point where it's useful for studying invisible particles. We -- the human collective -- need to take this to the next level if we really want it to make an impact on a global scale.

So I'm curious...is there anybody else out there thinking about the need to get more to the heart of the law of attraction? What thoughts and questions have you had?

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by AndyMartin

I find it fascinating that the law of attraction is described as scientific

Would you mind explaining how the LoA is scientific and tell us who said it was...???

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[mimusisj]

I agree with you. I would love to dive a little deeper into the heart of the matter. I am pretty new to the idea of LoA, although I started studying it about a year prior to 'The Secret'...

I think the problem lies in when we view the LoA as something that can be taught, rather than something that just IS. We get so connected to the "when is it gonna happen? why isn't it here? what did I do wrong?" that we don't realize we already are blocking it from happening. We are shifting the energy away. Then the skeptics of the world say, "This is crap. It doesn't work." Which then influences some people to the point of giving up, repelling it, throwing their hands in the air and agreeing. And we are back at square one.

What I know is that for me it has worked... a number of times... so much that I log everything (good and bad) away in a journal. I still get stuck in my human-minded ways sometimes-- especially for the big stuff.... but then I get a little sign of some sort that, to me, lets me know that I need to chill out because it's coming.

I'd be interested as well in further carrying along this topic and informing people (without pushing them away due to previous views) on a wider scale. What an awesome world we could (and will have!) one day if people really understand it!

That's actually why I keep a journal of everything-- so I can then prove that it does work. unfortunately, it's somewhat of a radical concept for some people, because it poses the question for the religious, "If everyone can have everything he/she wants... Then who is God and what does He/She do?"

But then again, every great consciousness shift requires great effort... so I'm in if anyone has any brilliant ideas!!

[mimusisj]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Would you mind explaining how the LoA is scientific and tell us who said it was...???

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Read, "The Intention Experiment." It doesn't really speak in the terms of "law of attraction", but it talks about how your thoughts can change/affect your world and uses experiments over years and topics to prove it true.

But I understand how someone can view the LoA as one of those concepts more for the "spirtually inclined"... and I don't mean that in a judgmental way on either side of the coin.

[A GROWING MIND]

My thought is that LOA is not working for a lot of people becuase they are having a hard time breaking away from the normal society way of thinking. If you doubt that the LOA will work or not then it probably will not work for you. You have to truly believe in it, or alteast that is my experience. I had that trouble at first, my thoughts were "why is this not working" and "what am I doing wrong" but then I found myself doubting LOA, and when I began to see my friends purposly attracting great things into their lives, I began to believe more and more. Then I began to attract things into my own life.

[Anagogy]

I agree completely. Your belief system is a shaft of steel. Without believing it is truly possible, it simply isn't. And then you must physically deal with the events in your life with usually less than optimistic results. Though I don't exactly blame people who have a hard time understanding that magic exists...but only if you believe it does (and if LOA isn't magic, then what is?). It's a big jump to make, and to those in the "rational world" (if you can call it that) it's akin to a jump into insanity.

Someday, they too will come to understand the joy of our insanity .

[InJoy]

The reason belief is important to LoA is because disbelief is focus upon the not having of what you want - and therefore what you will attract. In practical terms, Edison never would have invented the light bulb if he didn't believe it could be done. Same with pretty much any invention that seemed impossible before it was first created. Imagine the Wright brothers trying to make flying machines while they simultaneously shook their heads and said, "These things will never fly."

I think this is one of the reasons that manifestations often occur when we are not thinking about them. (This has also been my experience.) Many of us have long-practiced habits of belief that say that we cannot get what we want. So, when we put the desire out there, and then let it be, we are not charging that desire with the opposite intention of "not having it" - and therefore it is able to come.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Truth is Subjective, just like all things. What works for one person may not work for another, do you understand?

Temet Nosce.

Know Thyself.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Shamou

Would you mind explaining how the LoA is scientific and tell us who said it was...???

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I did a post a long time ago on this subject. I don't think the OP is referring to this, tho.

The Science behind Intention-Manifestation. Post from Dec. 06'

A mucky and ugly thread.
(Lots of people misunderstood the points being made.)

[Max Power]

There is no deeper understanding required. All the labels and theory and processes just stack unecessary clutter on top of something so simple and fundamental it's superfluous. What is interesting is the level we go to, to maintain imperfection. The very nature of LoA and IM is denial of creative power. To intend, to attract both imply denial and delay, both creations to maintain imperfection.

You consciously create instantly and then envoke the LoA and IM theory to justify things like time and time delay. You cannot admit or allow the perception of instant manifestation because that is perfection and the point of physical reality is to be imperfect. Bypass LoA, bypass IM, bypass emotion and thought, get to the core or creative power, conscious choice, it's how everything comes into being, everything else is creation.

It's really simply, but we like to make it complex (again) to maintain imperfection

[Old Soul]

I saw the movie the Secret.... and I think they have tapped into some spiritual laws of truth......... laws that govern our universe, and no matter what man does or believes, these principle can not change...

they are not really understood or believed by those who have not experienced the higher conscience level of living... it comes from a place where we move beyond the intillect the ego and step into heavens gates

you know you been there because for the first time you understand "oneness"
it is absolutely awsome!!

[AndyMartin]

Yes, LOA is something that just is. Just like physics or biology if we are to accept that it is indeed a principle of law. You certainly don't need to understand the physics behind gravity to live off fruit that falls out of a tree, nor do you need to understand molecular biology to grow enough food to support yourself.

But thanks to a few people who said that observing and benefitting from the natural behavior of those laws is not enough -- understanding is wherein lies the potential to develop beyond what we have imagined, we ended up with the scientific method, to which we owe our entire lifestyle.

So is it enough to say that recognizing a principle is sufficient and that we don't need to use our capacity to understand and refine in order to better apply the principle? And maybe it is, if you're just thinking about how you use it to get what you want. But how good can this really be if we only understand it in terms of what <i>I</i> want? Unbridled narcissism is harmful to culture. I can't look at the world and believe that anything I can manifest for myself amounts to any value to the world outside my own mind.

When I see the LOA, all I see is the universe telling us how to change the world -- if we can only get over ourselves. Think about Steve's million dollar experiment. Imagine deeply understanding the dynamics of collective manifestation and applying it to poverty, hunger, war. Until we understand how to overcome oppression and aggression and bring about a new world, all the accumulation we can conceive is worthless.