Why reject abraham-hicks?

[themaster]

I'm going to be brutally honest here and say that even though this is my favorite LOA/IM forum.. (think I been to the Abraham-hicks one but didn't like it.. umm.. too happy? )

I want to know why people are studying Steve's stuff (which I honestly haven't read.. because from what I gathered it's a little off) and other messages like just the generic LOA and or Secret stuff..

and why more people don't like Abraham-Hicks material?

My study of "New Age" and "The Secret" stuff is now 7 months old.. I got started in December by downloading (not buying) The Secret (hicks version) from the internet..

This was not my first real run-in with the material.. but my last run-in had been Abraham-hicks material (many moons ago, months or a year?) and I rejected it out of hand.. after studying there website and seeing they made a cd called "The Secret life of Pets" or something.. at the time that struck me as such a bs message.. that I never listened/looked to anything.. I left there website and did not return until the following..

I saw the "The Secret" and wanted to study more the materials available.. on a random day in December I headed for Barnes and Noble to read and ended up on some "New Age" materials and could not put down Abraham-hicks "Law of Attraction" as the booked pissed me off and enthralled me all at the same time.. and I basically devoted 8 hours of my day to that book and bought it too (which I hate giving my money to any thing that might be remotely pyramid scheme but I had to have it.. )

So that's my story.. in that time of studying "New Age" I have yet to come across any other messages including "The Secret" which divulge a model or life/universe/reality so well as Abraham-hicks..

So I'm curious my fellow enthusiasts on why you are against this material or it's message or even of course for it ??

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by themaster

So I'm curious my fellow enthusiasts on why you are against this material or it's message or even of course for it ??

I have never found anything from one source to be totally agreeable. I like Steve's SR theory (which isn't his per say) but the rest of his articles and blog to be uninteresting, rehashed and overcomplex for the average PD follower. I think the whole Hicks (ancient mystics talk to and through us??) to be a marketing ploy and The Secret is a lame feely good rehash for newbees.

I actually find Max Power to be very good He's consciousness best friend

Enjoy!
Max Power
My Song

[Dan.Linehan]

Personally, I think Abraham-Hicks is the real deal and enjoy them immensely.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Dan.Linehan

Personally, I think Abraham-Hicks is the real deal and enjoy them immensely.

That's crazy talk But I respect your opinion and your right to voice it

Enjoy!
Max Power
My Song

[Angela]

I'm a crazy talker, too. I love the treasure chest of joy and pleasure and love and fun that is the abraham-hicks teachings. are. you know what I mean.

"Deliberately think thoughts that make you feel good when you think them." It sounds so obvious, but how many people think in such a volitional way? How many people take 100% responsibility for what they think and feel?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Angela

I'm a crazy talker, too. I love the treasure chest of joy and pleasure and love and fun that is the abraham-hicks teachings. are. you know what I mean.

"Deliberately think thoughts that make you feel good when you think them." It sounds so obvious, but how many people think in such a volitional way? How many people take 100% responsibility for what they think and feel?

I have nothing against the fundamentals they everyone takes and adds their own marketable twist to, but ancient beings speaking through people gives me the heebeegeebees

Enjoy!
Max Power
My Song

[Angela]

yeah, I know what you mean. I take that part with a grain of salt. But what are you speaking of when you talk about "everyone takes and adds their own marketable twist to"?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Angela

"everyone takes and adds their own marketable twist to"?

Robbins: Big scary teeth, circus tent, huggy, feely good
Matthews: Cartoons, fun.
Hicks: Channel ancient spirits.
The Secret: Give it a cool name, make it a DVD movie

Take the same information, add a definable marketing angle (the best angles get the most attention) release to the massses, rinse, repeat.

There is nothing wrong with any of this, people like it dressed up, we are perception based creatures.

Whatever floats your boat

Max

[Angela]

hmmm... I think I'll add a diet and make a fortune! Thanks for the tip, Max! (If I decide to include a channeled entity, I'll call him "Max" after you.)

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Angela

hmmm... I think I'll add a diet and make a fortune! Thanks for the tip, Max! (If I decide to include a channeled entity, I'll call him "Max" after you.)

I was actully going to start my own religion called The Maximum Power of One and I, Max Power would be God, but to empower the followers eveyone would also be God, we would be God together, of course for a nominal fee of $995

Hehe, it would probably work too, people are so lost

Enjoy
Max Power
"I create, therefore I am"

[Angela]

The Maximum Power of One -- I LOVE it!! So, you'll ordain people into godhood? Will they also receive discount coupons for your seminars? I think that would be fair. How about God Parties ("gods" would get a discounted entry fee, and they could bring guests who you could proselytize to)?

I'll bring the ambrosia!

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Angela

The Maximum Power of One -- I LOVE it!! So, you'll ordain people into godhood? Will they also receive discount coupons for your seminars? I think that would be fair. How about God Parties ("gods" would get a discounted entry fee, and they could bring guests who you could proselytize to)?

I'll bring the ambrosia!

AngieBaby, you can be the Godess, your words tell me your gorgeous

No seminars, just a site where us Gods can hang out. Actually now I think about it every person who wants to be a god in TMPO group pays a once off Become God fraanchise fee and no continuing fees.

Your Become God fee includes:

Instant Creative Powers
Instant Manifesting Power
Instant Understanding Power
and of course the big one.......
The License to Sublet Your Powers to Others

Let's do it! I always wanted to be God

Enjoy!
Max Power
My Song

[Believer]

What you need to do is tell them that because they have paid so much to become god, IM works faster and better with a higher intention to reality rate than anywhere else, this is because the money they invested proves to the universe that they have faith in it! :P

Oh and I want in if that is possible? I can be High priest of The Maximum Power of One church of England.

OH and can we have jackets like they wear in equilibrium?

[mimusisj]

I may be completely wrong here, and if I am just disregard this...lol... hey, i've been wrong before...

But if I remember correctly, my stepmother had gone to a seminar and a few lectures for Abraham-Hicks years ago...Years before the Secret and Oprah and all the hype... True, it may be all a giant marketing ploy... but if it is, so what? Is the information useful? Does it make you think and think about improving the quality of your life? And for THAT matter, maybe Esther and Jerry were just following the LoA themselves and choosing a path that would make THEM find their hearts' desires...Maybe this was THEIR way of bringing wealth and prosperity to THEIR lives...

I've only just started understanding the LoA within the past year and it has done for me what nothing else has: it has given me the hope to charge after a dream I always questioned and it's been true to and for me: whatever I have given my attention to, positive or negative, I have received and/or are seeing signs that they are on the way. 100%. I won't go into it, as I am sure it is WAY more exciting for me..lol , but my personal experience is that the Law of Attraction has held true for me and it all started with Abraham-Hicks.

I totally buy into the hype.

[Cantando]

I believe all channelled entities are liars. They take people in by being obsequious, pandering and flattering. Their one aim is to get into your soul and suck the life out of you. They may give 99 per cent truth, but it's the 1 per cent lies which makes the whole thing one big con.
I read a lot of the Seth material in th 1990's and I was taken in to a certain extent. I came to my senses after I had an extremely frightening, realistic dream of being overwhelmed by a totally malevolent being whose sole aim was to destroy my soul. Only after a lot of praying, did I regain my normal sense of being and integrity.
Here is a description of Esther Hick's first contact with 'Abraham'. As soon as I read about her writing in the air with her nose (now come on!), I knew it was a travesty, a mockery, and a parody of anything truly spiritual.

Jerry and Esther Hicks try meditation

They went straight home, dressed comfortably and prepared for their first attempt at meditation. Sitting separately (because they were a little embarrassed about this), they set a timer for 15 minutes and began. After three or four minutes, Esther began to feel a pleasant numbness - sort of tingly. When the timer went off, it startled them both and Esther opted for an immediate repeat. Again after a few minutes she felt that wonderful numbness - she couldn't feel the chair - it was if she was floating. Again the timer startled them. Towards the end of their third meditation, Esther felt that something was "breathing" her - forcing the air in and out of her lungs as she floated. It felt wonderful, loving, ecstatic, and yet at the same time a little frightening. After the session Esther's teeth buzzed, not chattered but buzzed. Later she came to realize that this was her first experience with "Abraham".

Jerry and Esther Hicks - Abraham appears

Meditation became a daily exercise for them both. After about nine months, in November 1985, Esther noticed that her head was moving around during these sessions. It was relaxed and pleasant. Then one day she realized what the movement was - her nose was writing in the air. She announced it to Jerry and immediately got waves of goose bumps - a feeling of intense pleasure. Then her nose spelled out "I am Abraham. I am your spiritual guide. I love you. I am here to work with you." Jerry got his notebook.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Hey if you have the Ambrosia, I'll bring the Nectar, we'll party like its the day the Titans fell haha (Greek mythology for those who don't know)

Honestly I agree with lots of different thories because each one holds a grain of truth. For example I believe in Steve's SR theory, but I don't agree with his Veganism. I agree with Esther and Hicks Abraham teachings, but i don't actually think Abraham is who they say they are.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Akashic_Librarian

Honestly I agree with lots of different thories because each one holds a grain of truth. For example I believe in Steve's SR theory, but I don't agree with his Veganism. I agree with Esther and Hicks Abraham teachings, but i don't actually think Abraham is who they say they are.

I agree with that - being discerning, taking what may be useful, but not necessarily going in for it 100 per cent. From what I've read of Abraham Hicks, however, the potentially 'useful' stuff is pretty obvious and has been going around the houses now for quite some time, albeit under slightly different packaging.

[Sean.M.Connelly]

My complaint about all channeling (Seth, Abraham, Ramtha) is this:

It feels as though it's designed to avoid criticism. If the channeled spirit says something crazy, then the medium is disconnected from responsibility. It also feels as though it's designed to claim extra authority - i.e., you may have these ideas, but my ideas originate from a spiritual entity, therefore they are inherently better or more correct.

These things combined makes me dislike channeling. I can't question the medium, the medium is free from responsibility, and there is an air of inherent superiority. My response is to get off your high horse, have the courage to stand behind your words, and talk to me on MY "level". Stop forcing a teacher(spirit) -> student(me) relationship, and start allowing a person(whoever) <-> person(me) relationship.

~Sean

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Sean.M.Connelly

These things combined makes me dislike channeling. I can't question the medium, the medium is free from responsibility, and there is an air of inherent superiority. My response is to get off your high horse, have the courage to stand behind your words, and talk to me on MY "level". Stop forcing a teacher(spirit) -> student(me) relationship, and start allowing a person(whoever) <-> person(me) relationship.

Exactly. I remember when I first started surfing the net in Feb. 1997, during my first IT contract. There was lots of stuff about the millennium, channelled entities and how giant, invisible spaceships were waiting overhead for the 'rapture' when the chosen 144,000 were going to be wafted away and witness Armageddon below. It didn't happen in 1997, then it was going to be 1998, then 1999, 2000, etc. Nothing happened! One particularly huge spirituality web site that offered all this stuff suddenly closed down (spirituality.org?).
The 'entities' (Michael, Mary, Spock, etc) all had the same kind of messages like, "Greetings, my beloved. We who are waiting here in the 35th dimension are subtly shifting the earth's vibrations to quicken the events which are about to enfold ... ".
What a load of cobblers! They say there's a sucker born every day. Anyone taken in by this garbage thoroughly deserves it. The best of British!

[Angela]

every minute, not every day

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by Angela

every minute, not every day

You are correct... the quote reads, "There's a sucker born every minute." and... P. T. Barnum did not say it... here is the whole story...

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[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Angela

every minute, not every day

Thanks Angela! I realized soon after I posted it that it should have been every minute, but I thought no-one would notice!
Edit: There are 60 x 24 = 1,440 suckers born every day. So, after 100 days, there are 144,000, the number that will be saved!!

[mindmore]

Originally Posted by Sean.M.Connelly

My complaint about all channeling (Seth, Abraham, Ramtha) is this:

It feels as though it's designed to avoid criticism. If the channeled spirit says something crazy, then the medium is disconnected from responsibility. It also feels as though it's designed to claim extra authority - i.e., you may have these ideas, but my ideas originate from a spiritual entity, therefore they are inherently better or more correct.

These things combined makes me dislike channeling. I can't question the medium, the medium is free from responsibility, and there is an air of inherent superiority. My response is to get off your high horse, have the courage to stand behind your words, and talk to me on MY "level". Stop forcing a teacher(spirit) -> student(me) relationship, and start allowing a person(whoever) <-> person(me) relationship.

~Sean

Why would you focus on a detail like that? I don't really care if she says she is an alien from space, for what matters most is what she speaks. She says and makes the most sense of any teacher out there.

Her teachings are amazing and that is what matters. Weather she calls her self an alien or whatever is not important.

You are pretty much saying you will not listen to what any one says if they don't look good. aka meet your standards. Meaning you are missing the point.

You don't have to believe anything or any one because they say god told them so, you just have to listen to what they have to say and take from it what you can.

[aabbcc]

I love Abraham-Hicks. I have four of their books and the LoA information has been quite useful. I especially like their process of telling a new story. That works very well for me.

[Dreamline]

Werd.

I love Abraham-Hicks too. I really don't care if she is--or isn't--channeling. Even if it's all 100% Esther, her shiit is great. The info is astounding. The sense it makes is incredible. It can be simple. It can be complex. But it's so so perfectly perfect.

If she's making it all up herself, shame she doesn't just take the credit. Anyone else would. Hmmm. Come to think of it, anyone else would take all the credit. Why doll it up with mystery and pretend to be channeling? Why risk the rejection of thousands of people that may otherwise spend happily for your knowledge?

(Maybe because she really is channeling.....)

Jennifer

[spirit4711]

Originally Posted by mindmore

...
You are pretty much saying you will not listen to what any one says if they don't look good. aka meet your standards. Meaning you are missing the point.
...

Maybe not. We all need to distinct the truth from nonsense so we decide using some sort of criteria.

If I were to meet you in the street, dressed and acting like a homeless person, and started babbling to you about me channeling Abraham, would you believe me? If so, I have a beautiful Golden Gate bridge on sale, only for you.

You don't have to believe anything or any one because they say god told them so, you just have to listen to what they have to say and take from it what you can.

Well I don't 'have to' listen to anyone actually.

[ellie]

I can't stand her voice, so much so that I turn off after a minute or so. It's a dibilatating pain in my head listening to her. I think because she sounds like the fundamentalist Christian group I grew up with. They spoke in the exact same way...accept they weren't channeling anyone. Aggghhh takes me right back to being brainwashed.

There is something really creepy about her.

[Dreamline]

I just read her books. I've heard people complain about the voice thing. I'm not a huge fan of audio lectures or audio books so I don't have that issue. Just me and the wisdom. Pure. I'm free to make my own judgements about the material, just like any other knowledge.

If it makes sense, go with it. If it doesn't make sense, forget about it.

What if Tony Robbins, out of the blue, decided to confess that all his material was channeled through him by some entity named "Joe?" That he was afraid to fess up and felt it was finally time to be honest. Would the material make any less sense to his (overly)devoted fans? Bet not.

Jennifer

[YourHumbleNarrator]

I'm not very trusting of channeled entities in general. A book I read recently expounded my thoughts better than I could. It said something along the lines of trustworthy spirits not wanting to hold a one-sided conversation, which is what results through channeling. It's disrespectful of the incarnate.

Now I don't know if that's true in the grander scheme of things, but I know I wouldn't trust any entity which would take over my mind or body precisely because I feel it wouldn't be the most productive way to interact with a spirit/entity/what-have-you. I think any entity willing to channel itself through me would not share wholly accurate information, and while some of it may prove beneficial, strict adherence would result in quick growth followed by a brick wall. That's a result of intuition and bias more than experience, though I do recall feeling that new age material (Wayne Dyer's books, The Secret, Abraham-Hicks) opened me up to new possibilities and shut the door just as quickly. It all felt woefully incomplete, like I was trying to ascend a ladder with missing rungs. I could have probably gotten higher, but I didn't see the point when it seemed like I'd hit another dead end just as quickly.

Abraham's material might be good for learning how to direct emotion and thought, but everything else about it is inadequate. That's the biggest problem I have with new age material (and even Steve's more spiritually oriented articles): too much fluff, not enough meat.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by YourHumbleNarrator

too much fluff, not enough meat.

Isn't the fluff all about getting around your own 'meat'?

Let me rephrase.. If you listen to channeled material well.. it tells you one thing in a common message.. "you are in your own way" the ideas given are about getting out of your own way..

Do you even acknowledge the idea.. that everything you want is created instantly.. and the only thing hold you up from it is you?

Originally Posted by ellie

There is something really creepy about her.

You revived my thread for a fear sell???

Well, if you’re going to converse.. what are you afraid of? What's so creepy? Afraid that what they say is the truth? Or afraid if you hear it, it will drive you bonkers?