The Ocd Thread

[DaveTyler]

Ive seen more people like me who suffer Obsessivethoughts and I wonder isnt LoA extremely dangerous to us?
What kept me alive before was knowing my thoughtswas just that THOUGHTS. If I hada obsessive thought about dying, becoming a serial killer or losing my soul I could just say "wow this is so absurd". But After LoA life has been nothing but misery.
None of m OCD has manifested, so I would say thoughts dont manifest.If they did u'd manifest 64k things a day.

Please clear this up for me




Here are few examples Id liket o illustrate with

A person I spoke to believed he was a fish he had that thought and belief for 2 years,kept going to the hospital to take Xrays to see if he had started growingfins yet. Neverhappened and cost him2 years ofhis life.
Another friend had more normal OCD called HOCD where u actually believe ur gay and find males attractive,b ut unever truely become GAY or a woman asm any obsess about.
Sanme with hypochondria IT NEVER manifest a real illness even if their going for months 24/7 focusing on it.

For normal people this is something you cant understandbut if thoughts manifested and created, OCD would be the most dangerous sht ever.So it cant be true rght?

The same goes for schizos who believe they can fly etc. it never happens except in their delusions...
Thoughtscreating anythingbut delusioned perception and illusionary beliefs is wrong.

I read a great story about a man who was put in jail for 20 years, oneday after 20years he tried to openthe door and tohis amazement the door was open and had been for all these years.So he was a prisoner to his belief of the door being locked but yet his beliefs didnt do ************ with reality except keep him from checking. So reality is absolute...Right?
Now there is exceptions of the rule in deeep deeep meditation states like Samadhi where u can achieve levitation etc. but that got nothing to do with thoughts infact u got no thoughts in these states u dont even breathe



I think the clue is to know u can do anything and that will give u otivation to do anything but still have to play by physical realitys rules.
Nothing is ever new in reality anyway it always changes form, so believing thoughts manifest ************ in reality is delusion..

[The Coronet]

Hey Mr Tyler,

The thing is this, your OCD and paranioa manifest just that Obsessive compulsive behaviour and paranioa. its not about being paranoid you are a fish, its about knowing you are a fish 100% being a fish with love and gratidude, then maybe he would have become one!

Its like this old bliind guy I read about, some kids poured warm water over him and told him he was bleeding to death....he wasnt paranoid about it, he fully believed it and he died.

I believe to manifest you need to do it with love, its is that level of passion that raises your energy high enough for it to come into being. Of course fear does manifest something...just that, more fear and behaviour based on it and its consequent lack.

I used to have OCD, terribly in fact in quiet a few areas! I dont any more. OCD has a purpose in your life, it may not be super useful to you, but it has one never the less...when you figure out what its trying to do for you, you can see if its the most effecient way of going about it, and weather you really need the job its doing for you at all. Do not worry about the LOA....focusing on fear will bring just that fear, focus on what you love and see how beautiful your world already is :-)

[DaveTyler]

So if I now visualized you to become a cat and Im so grateful for that u would infact become a cat?
Or lets say u was so convinced the moon wouldcrash into earth it would happen?

[The Coronet]

yup, if you sincerely wanted it...and it was in our best interest, I think I would! Thing is you cant test it, you have to be real about it...and you probably dont really care if i become a cat...do you? damn I hope not!

Ive been thinking about this manifestation business and i think theres more to it than just focusing .

I think there are a few things going on....the universe, or your higher self wants you to succeed and be happy, so when something is not being manfested there is a good reason for it. When something really horrible happens it might not seem to be for your happiness at that time but you grow in a way that helps you on the inside. I know you can probably point to a million example of where something terrible has happened to someone and then they've just died or something and that doesnt look too helpful...but I can only speak from my own prespective. Whenever something really bad has happened to me, its turned out to help me in the long to grow in a way I needed to. I see terrible things happening all around me, but maybe its all a big game, these visiuals of fear are just there to put me off, i mustnt get scared and remained focus on what is in the highest interest of all, the higher self knows whats best for me, i dont even need to come up with things to manifest...I can just trust.

seems that way to me, i might be wrong! your posts have given me food for thought though a few times, when ive wondered if you might be right about LOA not working...thing is i have seen it work in the most spectacular ways! it cant just be a coincidence!

[DaveTyler]

I respect your opinion,but I doubt such things can happen. In a world with 6 billion people it woulda lready have happened atleast a thousand times.
Imagine a little kid, they are proof. They sincerely believe in many of the things they think monsters under the bed, satani n the closet, dragons in the sky, superman powers, etc. NONE eer manifest.


Another thing if it was like that(it isnt I PROMISE) I could still not ************ with UR reality.
Do I believein miracles? Yes to some extend like: if someone NEEEEDED superstrenght to save someone,it MIGHT have manifested.
It would be God saving the person,not you, youwouldnt even think a single thought.

I remember a pschiatrist saying The Secret was dangerous, I starting to see what she meant. IT has made people out of their mind.
Dont forget that dreams never manifest, fantasies doesnt, thoughts itself doesnt appear out of thin air.
Also its said we got like 3 %freewill

[The Coronet]

but this is what im saying...its not just belief, its more than that. There have been many times when i believed something and it didnt happen. What you need focused consious directions of your thoughts. Kids dont want monsters under there bed, they are focused on fear...and thats what they get...terror! ok so lets take another example say a kid wants a horse, then they are focused on that, but are probably not acting like that horse is already there, so they may well not get it.

the secret is like electiricty...put in the home and its a wonderful thing, lighting up your house making things work, put it in a bomb and it can cause distruction and devistation.

its hard to make examples of what other people think in their head and the results they get...like i said i can only speak for myself....but heres some examples i found for myself...

i used to believe i was a man..(im female) i grew up to have a huge testosterone inbalance...which came first my imbalance causing me to have the thoughts, or my thoughts causeing the imbalance? I now that ive almost fixed it, was it my thoughts manifesting the balance, or is that just life?

i have a paranoia that people can not be trusted...this has been my experience so far...is my belief causing this, or do i have the belief because it has been true of my experience. Im now working on focusing on the opposite....is that naive of me do you think?? because i will act very differently if i do trust people!

I used to be terrified I would go insane, totally loose the plot.... I did go insane, and then i realized what i was doing mentally and somehow turned it around...with a lot of work!

hehe, im still a little insane maybe ;-)

I think you misunderstand my view of reality...i dont think it is so different to yours :-)

[DaveTyler]

Heheyeah exactly , its like a headache it coes, then u focus on it and it seems to intesify but its not true, it just seems like that.


Same with a insane person who believes hehas superpowers or some ************, itnever manifest except in their delusioned reality.
Ive seen people chasing mice thinking their spies. In their percetion they probabl "were" but in absolute Reality they was just scared mice.

Thats why its important to understand if ur walking around being depressed all day, thats how lief will be cause depression will not make u go out and have fun in life.
But if u believe ur a woan when ur infcct a man it will only make u believet hat more and more. It wontever ever ever ever happen.

[spydermann]

Awesome thread you guys! these are the same questions I've had with the LOA and OCD subject. I've been through worrying i was gay but in denial (HOCD) to fearing I had a brain tumor growing to even thinking that I was retarded but didnt even know it... Its so strange. I believe what coronet was saying about OCD being there for a reason, and trying to teach you something...

I've had some strange first hand experiences with the LOA during my OCD fits, where I would be agonizing over how I just knew I had a brain tumor...then suddenly my friends would start taking about brain tumors!! Or fearing all day that I might somehow be unconsciously gay...then later that night somehow we would end up hanging out with someone who actually was gay! These things made me a believer of the power of the mind, and at first I was terrified that they were sure signs of my fears coming true, but I've recognized now to take them as nature testing me and keeping me in check. teaching me to trust in myself and not give into the worldly fears.

I agree with what you that these ocd thoughts cant become literal reality, but the fear they create can attract more of those fear-based things that match that fearful magnetic energy those thoughts put off. Like if you play jazz music those vibrations will attract Jazz fans into your environment, if you play metal music you'll attract in metal head bangers...

[Darren]

Originally Posted by The Coronet

yup, if you sincerely wanted it...and it was in our best interest, I think I would! Thing is you cant test it, you have to be real about it...and you probably dont really care if i become a cat...do you? damn I hope not!

Ive been thinking about this manifestation business and i think theres more to it than just focusing .

I think there are a few things going on....the universe, or your higher self wants you to succeed and be happy, so when something is not being manfested there is a good reason for it. When something really horrible happens it might not seem to be for your happiness at that time but you grow in a way that helps you on the inside. I know you can probably point to a million example of where something terrible has happened to someone and then they've just died or something and that doesnt look too helpful...but I can only speak from my own prespective. Whenever something really bad has happened to me, its turned out to help me in the long to grow in a way I needed to. I see terrible things happening all around me, but maybe its all a big game, these visiuals of fear are just there to put me off, i mustnt get scared and remained focus on what is in the highest interest of all, the higher self knows whats best for me, i dont even need to come up with things to manifest...I can just trust.

seems that way to me, i might be wrong! your posts have given me food for thought though a few times, when ive wondered if you might be right about LOA not working...thing is i have seen it work in the most spectacular ways! it cant just be a coincidence!

Nice post. I've been thinking along those lines myself just recently.

[Anagogy]

Couple of points I would like to make in regard to LoA and obsessive compulsive thoughts:

1: People can seemingly believe things on a conscious level, but really not at a deeper subconscious level. As an example, someone can be hypnotized so that they cannot say a certain word, phrase, or number and despite their best conscious efforts and belief that they can perform said action, they cannot. 90% of the time, subconscious belief will override the conscious belief. My point: there are many layers to our consciousness, and the deeper levels elicit more control over our behavior (and reality) than the more shallow levels.

2: We don't know what is really going on in other peoples minds. Sure, they may seem like they believe certain things 100%, but how can we really know this for sure, without being them? I mean, psychology is very complex, and apparent motivators toward a given behavior could, in actuality, be completely different than what we conceive them to be. You would be surprised what people will do just for attention.

3: Many OCD thoughts are about things we don't want to happen. Desire is thought too. Anything that occupies awareness to any degree whatsoever constitutes thought from my perspective. Everything is basically thought, in other words. In this case you have a battle of thoughts. Sure, you are thinking about what you don't want, but you also have the latent desire for these NOT to happen. Which is stronger, the OCD thought, or the hope/desire for it not to happen thought? The net result could be a kind of tug of war where neither reality is fully realized or manifested.

4: I find that while many OCD hypochondriacs harbor a fear of catching any and all diseases, they have a deeper belief that if they are vigilant and watchful and extremely careful, they will avoid the diseases they fear. True to their belief, as long as their behavior conforms to their acceptable modus operandi of being a "clean freak", they do not get sick. Also, the ones who are "successfully" manifesting a plethora of diseases are not given the label of "hypochondriac", but rather just regarded as having very weak immune systems.

5: The schizophrenic who believes he can fly. I'm not necessarily saying they can fly, but who are we to say? If you harbor as much a belief that humans cannot fly as the schizophrenic harbors that they can, you would never experience them flying true to your beliefs (assuming belief does create reality). But crazy people are acceptable to experience in your reality so that is what you experience.