Law of Attraction, hmm... perception?

[DaveTyler]

I mean if you think a image is so god damn ugly. it doesnt make it ugly, it will be percieved ugly by you, but its not ugly.
So isnt Law of Attraction just your perception?
Lets say your jealous, and you focus on for example your girlfriend cheating, in your head itll be true, but in realit it will never be true because you focus on it.

[RT Wolf]

Umm. I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about. Law of Attractoin simply says that you attract waht you think about most of the time. If you think about ugliness most of the time, then you attract ugliness. The question of whether one person's ugliness is another person's beauty means something else.

And what do you mean that it will never be true because you focus on it? Law of Attraction (at least, my undersatnding of it) says the exact opposite.

[torilink]

hey Dave -

I view perception and truth as totally separate things.

perception for me is my experience of the outside reality I've created. With my body, via my 5 senses (plus intuition and feelings) my mind filters the "experience" I believe I am having. perceptions allow contrast which then leads to desire, imaginitive thought, and creation - which we then "experience" through perception and thus the process goes.

when we are over identified with body and the outside "reality" then it appears as cause and effect - for instance:

you drop a glass > glass shatters > you cut your hand > you perceive pain and reinforce belief in accidents & pain

but if we look at perception as only an experiencing of a reality our mind is creating, it becomes something more like this:

I believe in accidents and pain > I have thoughts of these things > eventually I drop a glass > glass shatters > I cut myself > I experience what is perceived as pain > I create a new belief/thought/desire


TRUTH - is the part you desire and imagine, when we are creating we are approaching life from the inside out rather than the outside in.

I agree this has not much to do with a basic understanding of law of attraction - but I find that our perceptions, beliefs, and such play a role in LOA.

[DaveTyler]

So your mind is the universe is that what your trying to say?
Think about it if you say t houghts create your realit y, you created me asking this question, actually there is no me, there is only your brain.

To me thats absurd.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

So your mind is the universe is that what your trying to say?
Think about it if you say t houghts create your realit y, you created me asking this question, actually there is no me, there is only your brain.

To me thats absurd.

no, my BRAIN has nothing to do with it.

my brain is a physical manifestation of mind/consciousness - It isn't that I created you nor you me, it is that we are one.

[DaveTyler]

Consciousness and mind isnt the same we all got unique minds, but same consciousness. State of consciousenss is "no mind".

I read your page and "“To think what you want to think is to think TRUTH, regardless of appearances. Every man has the natural and inherent power to think what he wants to think" doesnt fit with me:/ i have obsessive thoughts and ever since reading about Subjective Reality I think people are my thoughts in my mind...

And I have had 22222obsessivethoughts, none of which has come true and obsessive thoughts is 5000 thousand times stronger than normal thoughts...They replay in your head 24/7, if thoughts created reality I would have died 5times, my eyes would pop out, my mind would shrink, the universe would shrink etc. all obsessive thoughts. So thoughts dont create reality


Lets say you TRUELY believe you can CREATE a dinosaur in your garden, will it happen?? No, no matter what you believe... never ever...
The universe/god/source dont got thoughts, humans and animals got thoughts, we dont CREATE ************. We have to act accordingly to physical reality cause existance is primary, consciousness is secondary.
Or lets say a paranoid person believes your going to kill him, would you?

Explain further.. cause why havent you created world peace yet if you can create reality, why do you let children suffer in poverty starvation andpain?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

i have obsessive thoughts and ever since reading about Subjective Reality I think people are my thoughts in my mind...

Congratulations! You just took one step closer to accepting SR although people aren't thoughts in your head, people, your head and thoughts are inside consciousness.

And I have had 22222obsessivethoughts, none of which has come true and obsessive thoughts is 5000 thousand times stronger than normal thoughts...

You have 22,222 obsessive thoughts and none have come true? Really? To have a thought is to manifest it, if you can't see the manifestation then there is a thought that you are denying that overides the original thought and cancels it out.

So thoughts dont create reality

That is so true (for you) because you state it, you believe it and so be it.

Funny how what ever you claim to be true, is true

Maximus Power

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Lets say you TRUELY believe you can CREATE a dinosaur in your garden, will it happen?? No, no matter what you believe... never ever.....

You are trying to tell someone that what they believe can never be true, but what you are really saying is that it can never be true for you.

The universe/god/source dont got thoughts, humans and animals got thoughts, we dont CREATE ************. We have to act accordingly to physical reality cause existance is primary, consciousness is secondary.
Or lets say a paranoid person believes your going to kill him, would you?

Explain further..

Dave, you are stating what you believe and then asking others to prove that it isn't true. That is not possible really, as you are the one who believes it very strongly. Your conviction is dynamite, so asking to be proved wrong/otherwise and/or differently is futile.

Only you can change you mind.

Enjoy!!

Max

[DaveTyler]

You do see this is not possible? Ok, now I want you to think Ill meet DaveTyler today". Now do it. Ok? Or what about you becoming another person, will it be true? Nope.


See the thing is its true "for you" in your perception, but its not TRUTH. So Im a projection of your thoughts?

And why arent you rich as ************? Itwould just be thinking about it, see? If every thought u had became true, all hypochondriacs and OCD'ers would be dead

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

You do see this is not possible? Ok, now I want you to think Ill meet DaveTyler today". Now do it. Ok? Or what about you becoming another person, will it be true? Nope.

Hehe Dave you are quiet the angry little beaver are you not

Okay, yes I can go and meet you today, yes I can become another person and yes I can fly, but to do all of that, I have to change some of my beliefs about physicals, time, travel and the nature of my reality.

See the thing is its true "for you" in your perception, but its not TRUTH. So Im a projection of your thoughts?

See there is the fundamental flaw in your argument, you say 'it is not truth' but that is your belief, not mine. As you believe so you become. Yes you are a projection of my thoughts as I am also

And why arent you rich as ************? Itwould just be thinking about it, see? If every thought u had became true, all hypochondriacs and OCD'ers would be dead

Well, there you go with more bold statements that don't make a lot of sense I'm not rich (yet) because I observe not being rich (observation is creation) I can't even understand your comments about wanting people dead, so I'll leave those.

Enjoy!

Max

[DaveTyler]

Lol you condtradict yourself. Hell no, there are rules in the universe. simple as that.
no person on earth has ever flown or anything.

A schizo, a person with Obsessive thoughts and hypochondriacs are absolutely sure their thoughts is real, schizo's even see their things. but thats just bullshit too. I was once sure I was going to die, completely convinced because of a incredible panic attac, I didnt die.

Listen you contradict yourself "yeah I can fly, but first I have to change my beliefs". Listen to yourself. Lol I can make myself believe a pencil is dangerous and that it will kill me. In m head the fear wi seem real and therefor be "true" to me. But its all in our fantasy, science, psychology and spirituality has proven this 5555555555 times already. When did you become God? Just because Steve told you?


The further down you fall into this trap, you will never ever get enligthened. See you have confused it all with ego and is stuck. Cause the clue with enlightenment is that you see Gods creation is perfect and theres nothing to change.. Sorry man

And man do you beieve in God? Enlightenment? How the ************ could you become a new person, it contradict itself. You could make yourself believe you were a new person, but it wouldnt happen, your soul and spirit would be the same. Ok?
Another thing is: If it was like this. Lets say you now see a picture of me, and you decide to become me. YOu would only become what you THINK is me, you have really no idea what Im like, so again your perception. Aka making yourself mentally insane.

[Max Power]

Now I get it You're the guy who posts meaningless questions to envoke arguments mainly about SR and the same guy who states personal beliefs to enforce onto others further under the guise of questions about reality and beliefs, when in truth you refuse to consider anything other than your own.

When none of that works you swear***********at everyone and keep posting without even trying to understand anyone elses POV.

Max

PS Dave, you are nothing more than the annoying voice of doubt within my consciounsess, happy now?? tehe

[DaveTyler]

Listen to yourself "MY CONSCIOUSNESS" wtf, thats ego itself... There is no YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.
Consciousness created you, ur just a drop in the ocean.
So youare 22322322222trilllion years old? remember you were the big bang? How was that? Cool?

That was aserious question,cause you just stated it. And another thing, you cant have compassion towards anyone or anything, cause we dont have emotions, opinions or anything, right?

Spirituality is like this: Theres one consciousness, we all share, it comes through the crown chakra. Understand?

[Max Power]

Consciousness is not your body, it is not my body, it is not this forum, these words, the tree you see, the love you feel.

Consciousness is the creator of all of that, but individuals (people/you/me the creations of consciousness) think we are consciousness and we are not, we are creations of it.

It's hard to fathom, because we see everything from our body/mind POV, but if you think about where your true self is, where is the thing that makes you, you. You will see that you are everywhere you are aware of.

You (consciousness, not your mind/body) create everything you perceive. Imagine the most powerful building reality machine imaginable, this machine builds reality on the fly as it desires, this machine can build everything, no limits, that is consciousness, that is you.

Some people will call it SR and that's a pretty nifty name and explanation for it, but I call it truth

Max

[DaveTyler]

So we are both conscious? both got thoughts,both got feelings? Were all one?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

So we are both conscious? both got thoughts,both got feelings? Were all one?

We are one consciousness, there is no seperation, there is no your thoughts and my thoughts, it may seem like that, but it's not. Sepearation is for human beings, which we think we are, but our true self is one consciousness.

Physical reality is for human beings, consciousness is forever.

Maximus Power

[DaveTyler]

Yeah but you get what im saying? We are seperate until enlightenment.
You are just as real as me, you see out your eyes like I see out mine.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Consciousness and mind isnt the same we all got unique minds, but same consciousness. State of consciousenss is "no mind".

What makes us individuals isn't consciousness, it is our ego and perceptions which cause a belief in separation.

I read your page and "“To think what you want to think is to think TRUTH, regardless of appearances. Every man has the natural and inherent power to think what he wants to think" doesnt fit with me:/ i have obsessive thoughts and ever since reading about Subjective Reality I think people are my thoughts in my mind...

I know you struggle with these things, but it is when you accept that what you suffer from is what you created, you will become FREE and overcome it. I know it is REAL for you and I myself have had to overcome many self imposed illnesses in my life - but there is no way I can prove this to you. As long as this is how you see yourself and what you expect & accept as truth for yourself it will be your experience.

And I have had 22222obsessivethoughts, none of which has come true and obsessive thoughts is 5000 thousand times stronger than normal thoughts...They replay in your head 24/7, if thoughts created reality I would have died 5times, my eyes would pop out, my mind would shrink, the universe would shrink etc. all obsessive thoughts. So thoughts dont create reality


Lets say you TRUELY believe you can CREATE a dinosaur in your garden, will it happen?? No, no matter what you believe... never ever...
The universe/god/source dont got thoughts, humans and animals got thoughts, we dont CREATE ************. We have to act accordingly to physical reality cause existance is primary, consciousness is secondary.
Or lets say a paranoid person believes your going to kill him, would you?

Obviously I wouldn't want to create a dinosaur, as they are big and fearsome and I've internalized and believe they are extinct anyhow. We create/manifest what we focus on - if we hold beliefs which are congruent with those thoughts.

You may have a million obsessive thoughts about your mind shrinking - eyes popping out etc. but ultimately you hold beliefs which tell you those things can't truly happen, even if you are imaging in your mind they could.

Explain further.. cause why havent you created world peace yet if you can create reality, why do you let children suffer in poverty starvation andpain?

The fact there is not world peace and there is suffering in my experience, tells me one thing, that I am not finished on my journey yet - I still hold beliefs and expectations which cause these things to exist for me to experience.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Yeah but you get what im saying? We are seperate until enlightenment..

No, you are still speaking from your physical/body/mind.

You are just as real as me, you see out your eyes like I see out mine.

No, you see out from your eyes, but your eyes are from your physical body, consciousness has no eyes, because consciousness has no physicality. Searching for truth cannot be found in the physical world, think about your true self, you (true self) is not your physicality. All the answers lie inside yourself (consciousness), not outside, there is not outside. Outside is a projection/illusion, true self, true power is always inside. If you look for it, honestly, you will find it.

Max

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Max Power

We are one consciousness, there is no seperation, there is no your thoughts and my thoughts, it may seem like that, but it's not. Sepearation is for human beings, which we think we are, but our true self is one consciousness.
Maximus Power

So ... how come I don't know what you're thinking and you don't know what I'm thinking?
Consciousness is a function or attribute of the "I". It is not the "I".
It is a state of awareness or a state of perceiving, which the "I" projects. I can't define "I", except to say that it is just what you are, after everything else has been taken away.
The "I" only appears to be immersed in consciousness.
I have my consciousness and you have yours.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Cantando

So ... how come I don't know what you're thinking and you don't know what I'm thinking?
Consciousness is a function or attribute of the "I". It is not the "I".
It is a state of awareness or a state of perceiving, which the "I" projects. I can't define "I", except to say that it is just what you are, after everything else has been taken away.
The "I" only appears to be immersed in consciousness.
I have my consciousness and you have yours.

consciousness is awareness and dare I say creative thought/imagination
ego is perception - if you are perceiving than you are in a state of ego projection/manifestation.

the I that I think that I am in relation to the physical manifestation of "Reality" is the Ego Mind, which believes itself seperate from the eternal one Consciousness.

One consciousness is the source of everything - and like a seed sprouting forth, it projects itself outward into manifested reality - as us.

It is the belief that it is separate which makes it so.

[Lychee]

LoA only concerns your perception of reality, and not reality itself.

If your girl friend is cheating on you, but your perception of her is that she is faithful and honest, then that is what you'll probably see. However, the reality independent of your positive assumption is that she is cheating on you. The truth is unaffected by your perception.

Also, if someone deep down does not believe that LoA exists, then he will probably never see the connection between his thoughts and his reality. But that does not mean that LoA does not exist. Just because you don't believe or experience it doesn't mean that the law is not in effect.

Lets say you TRUELY believe you can CREATE a dinosaur in your garden, will it happen?? No, no matter what you believe... never ever...
The universe/god/source dont got thoughts, humans and animals got thoughts, we dont CREATE ************. We have to act accordingly to physical reality cause existance is primary, consciousness is secondary.
Or lets say a paranoid person believes your going to kill him, would you?

Explain further.. cause why havent you created world peace yet if you can create reality, why do you let children suffer in poverty starvation andpain?

Because our will must coincide with Divine Will. It is not possible for us to magically manifest a dinosaur no matter how hard we try because it probably is not in God's will. LoA is not the only law working in the universe; it only helps us understand better the way that reality is functioning.

Consciousness is not secondary. Physical reality is an illusion constructed by the Ultimate Mind aka God.

See the thing is its true "for you" in your perception, but its not TRUTH.

You're absolutely right. Using the girl friend example, it might be true for YOU that she is loyal and perfect however reality says that she is cheating on you. Your perception is incorrect but reality is not. Our perception is based on reality but our perceptions may be incorrect. What we have to do is align our perceptions with the laws of reality to be most successful.

Lol you condtradict yourself. Hell no, there are rules in the universe. simple as that.
no person on earth has ever flown or anything

Yes. There are unbreakable rules in the universe. LoA is a Law. The earth moves according to Law. Laws are the way by which the universe operates.

People tried to prevent death (they tried to perform alchemy to become immortal) but failed. Why? Because death is a law and all humans will eventually die.

Consciousness created you, ur just a drop in the ocean.

We are exactly a drop in the ocean, not the ocean itself.

Theres one consciousness, we all share, it comes through the crown chakra. Understand?

I interpret this to believe that God is the only consciousness (ocean) and we are just limited beings created from it (droplets of consciousness). We all have the ability to affect our reality through our thoughts/mind which is generally present in the crown chakra/mind. These thoughts have control over our reality, but overall the ocean is directing the current. We have limited control over reality. Is that what you mean?

[DaveTyler]

Exactly. glad someone shares my view.
Another thing I didnt meant phsicalreality was primary, but EXISTANCE it self, consciousness exist, therefor it is secondary, consciousness needs something to percieve.

See everyone got it wrong cause Steve fucedup the whole article by mixing mind with consciousness andsaying only he was conscious and had thoughts.
God got no thoughts, thoughts is product of mind.
Spirit/soul/mind/body
Spirit = consciousness
Soul = reincarnated until goes home to god
mind = thinking/remembering/ need it to function in the world.
body = operate in physcial reality

Its like we can see a schizo run around claiming the curtains is going to eat him, cause in his disorted perception this is true, but its all in his mind. Encouraging this isnt exactly spiritual advance... Stay in reality, if you want to advance spiritually laerning how to manifest a car or whatever will do the opposite...

[torilink]

Spirit/soul/mind/body
Spirit = consciousness
Soul = reincarnated until goes home to god
mind = thinking/remembering/ need it to function in the world.
body = operate in physcial reality

I understand your stance - here is my understanding.

Eternal Consciousness - I Am - God
Spirit - God in us/Christ - observing Ego adventures and observing those contrasts propels desire to create - also this is what awakens within us, and when it does the creative aspect/soul takes control over the ego/perception part.
Ego - perceives and experiences what we've created with bodily senses - contrasts/judgement - there is ego projection/manifestation but it differs a bit from spirits creative power.
Body - brain collects and stores data - sends signals to the body about what to do.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by torilink

consciousness is awareness and dare I say creative thought/imagination
ego is perception - if you are perceiving than you are in a state of ego projection/manifestation.

the I that I think that I am in relation to the physical manifestation of "Reality" is the Ego Mind, which believes itself seperate from the eternal one Consciousness.

One consciousness is the source of everything - and like a seed sprouting forth, it projects itself outward into manifested reality - as us.

It is the belief that it is separate which makes it so.

Agreed. I would like to add that the "I" is not dependent on consciousness, but rather the other way round. Consciousness is what we have or use to be aware and to perceive. Consciousness is not everything.

[DaveTyler]

Its like this, everything you visualize in our mind and change of beliefs will affect the way you percieve reality, but reality remains unchanged.

The first time you got in a fight with your teacher, you learned "school sucks". That will affect the way you percieve it, and yes it will suc for you, cause u wil automatically look for the negative. Even in the positive you will create negativity in our head, but its not negative in reality just because u feel lie it is. Thats your mind.

Sit in a room with many people, close your eyes and imagine all of them being against you, going to kill you. Youll get terrifyed and believe it, but eventually youll see its not true at all. It was "true to you" but not really, only your perception, the true you knows everyone is real.
The "synchronizing" seeing people tal behind your back etc is still just ur mind percieving ************ wrong, they are talking about what they have been doing that day in REALITY, but in your "reality"(perception) the are planning how to kill you. It will never manifest as yo are only in control of YOUR perception. Thats how ego works. The cosmc consciousness, is not yours, to attain it, you will first have to kill your ego completely, and then there will be no more you. You will not change anything cause u see GOd made it perfect.

[Anagogy]

This has turned into another debate over whether we exist in an objective reality or a subjective reality. It is an interesting topic.

Here is my opinion on the matter. I wish I had proof for it, but I don't, so it's just my opinion.

What is reality? A very general question. I have problems with theories that are dualistic in nature as there is always the looming problem of how one completely different substance communicates or interacts with another completely different substance (i.e. mind and matter for example). And because of that problem, I tend to think that monistic theories of reality are more accurate. Material science assumes the world is all matter and they procede to investigate reality empirically trying to remove this "silly" notion of mind and subjectivity from their observations because, to them, it is obviously a neurological illusion. Afterall, it is the logical course of action -- that is, assuming the world is all matter (using this as a broad term meaning all is physical).

Mystics, on the other side of the coin tend to believe the world is all mind. If this is the case, it makes sense to turn inward and know the world through your intuition, because ultimately, the world is part of you, and studying yourself would be key in uncovering the deeper secrets of the universe. From this perspective, the world within, and the world without are reflections of one another. In this regard, I must say I fall into category two here. I believe the world is all mind. I base this on several peculiarities of the human condition: my own experiences with intuition, my experiences with lucid dreaming, and other peoples reports of transcendental experiences and extra sensory perception. All these things have served to convince that we occupy a universe of mind pretending to be matter for some peculiar reason, whatever that may be.

Having said all that, I think, by nature, all realities are subjective in nature. But consciousness that is not synced up with other consciousness (in other words, consciousness that is separate like you and I are separate from each other), can elect to create a consensus environment. I believe Earth is an example of a consensus reality. At a deeper level of consciousness we have all elected to agree on it's existence. We've also agreed upon certain rules that it is governed by. In my opinion, no reality exists unless it is observed by consciousness. The source of existence some refer to as "god" is simply a continuum of infinite probabilities for existence of which we are an extension of. I personally don't believe it has a preference as to what any reality "should" be. Perfection is generally a list of qualities that humans make up and then judge some aspect of reality in accordance with. I think we should throw the notion of "perfect" out the window, at least in regards to certain "things" being "more perfect" than other "things". Everything is perfect already, if you simply just accept it the way it is, without your preference interfering.

So not only are we pretending that matter, space, and time exist, we are all pretending the same thing at the same time. This creates objective reality. Once we have created a consensus environment, it can only be objectively changed if the mass majority of "pretenders" decide that it is so. It could certainly happen, but probably won't.

Having said that, if everything is ultimately mind (in effect, everything being unified at some level), there are certain truths that will remain in effect no matter how hard we "pretend" that it is otherwise. One, for example, is the truth that we are everything, metaphysically speaking. If all is mind, you can never not be everything. You can pretend all you want, and convince yourself thoroughly, but at the end of the day, you are still this thing called mind, and everything is made up of mind. And if you are everything, separation is quite simply an illusion. A pretend game. A fantasy. If separation is an illusion, we are all subconsciously omniscient, though we may consciously encumber our "conscious minds" with the preconception that we are not. This is where the law of attraction comes in.

How does such a thing work in a consensus reality where so many minds have already agreed that this is not possible? For the most part, the consensus reality is that we live in a physical world where manifestation by thought does not happen. But no matter how much we pretend we aren't mind, we still are. That is why LoA works. Okay, let's get real here LoA is probably not going to regrow a lost arm, change your skin to purple, or turn you into Brad Pitt. Am I saying it is impossible? No, I'm not. I'm just saying it is HIGHLY improbable from a consensus reality standpoint. Of course, you are, as mind, always capable of creating your own reality where anything and everything happens (I do it all the time at night ), but if you want to pretend with this particular group of consciousness we live with, you have to deal with their consensus rules of reality.

But even though you may not be able to fly, or morph into an animal, or turn into a fine mist like Dracula, LoA can still do amazing things. The aspect of mind that you are knows all and is all. It is the reason you experience synchronicity. You exist in reality "A", which is housed in consciousness or mind, and it has variables x, y, z, and a plethora of other variables to numerous to think about. Each of those variables has different degrees of freedom. Maybe variable "x" can't turn into variable "y", but it can do other things you may not be consciously aware of. But that's not the point. The point is, mind interacts with all variables at once, all the time. If you focus on wealth, mind will juggle those variables to bring you wealth. If you focus on disease, mind will do its best to juggle those variables to bring you disease. Mind has no preference unless it has dreamed that it does (look in the mirror for example). If you focus on something that does not jive with your particular consensus reality, you will meet resistance. If you try to manifest the ability to fly, you might simply experience alot of flying dreams, or you may be inundated with synchronicity involving you coming into contact with movies, books, and other works of fiction dealing with the particular topic at hand. It could involve many different outlets.

But even though certain actions may be, practically speaking, impossible in your consensus environment, it is not necessarily a good idea to presume consciously what is possible and what is not possible using the LoA. We are pretending to be human beings that do not know everything. Because we do not know everything, we shouldn't assume we know all degrees of freedom that the variables of our reality possess. So my advice is to set your sights high and keep ratcheting up the ladder of possibility until you can't go any farther. Keep in mind this is not the only consensus reality out there. There are less restrictive ones I'm sure as many the astral traveler will tell you.

I wish everybody the best of luck in their search for answers.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Cantando

So ... how come I don't know what you're thinking and you don't know what I'm thinking?

I have my consciousness and you have yours.

Consciousness isn't about people or you or I, that's the mistake I made when I started this thread, I asked 'who is consciousness' but I asked it from a mind/body POV and that doesn't work. Consciousness is creator not created, altough it creates reality, people, places, you, me, it's not that.

People are not conscious, you don't have consciousness, I don't have it either, we are it are the core level and it's very hard to grasp it from mind/body POV.

That's how I see it

Max Power

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DaveTyler

Listen to yourself "MY CONSCIOUSNESS" wtf, thats ego itself... There is no YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS.
Consciousness created you, ur just a drop in the ocean.

No, it is not ego saying my consciousness, that's your intepretation of my response, you think when I speak it's coming from me/mind/body and then you say 'stop claiming consciousness, stop saying your god' you can't see what I'm saying and where I say it from.

If you can't understand something, can't accept something and don't want to even try, then why do you persist other than to ask questions and fail to even try and comprehend answers that don't suit you.

Max Power
"I'm God, you're not, get over it"

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Consciousness isn't about people or you or I, that's the mistake I made when I started this thread, I asked 'who is consciousness' but I asked it from a mind/body POV and that doesn't work. Consciousness is creator not created, altough it creates reality, people, places, you, me, it's not that.

People are not conscious, you don't have consciousness, I don't have it either, we are it are the core level and it's very hard to grasp it from mind/body POV.

That's how I see it

Max Power

For many years, I believed I was consciousness, and that God was all consciousness. But recently, I began to have my doubts. It didn't seem to quite explain enough for me.
I believe God is the great unknowable "I" and each of us is an individual, discrete, unique "I" which came from God (so, yes, I believe we are God's children).
The "I" exists outside of consciousness but it can 'infuse' consciousness, the mind, the world with its presence. "I" can be present in those things without actually being those things.
If you go deep into prayer or meditation, if you "pause" mind and consciousness, "freeze frame" it, and just remain quietly, expectantly, humbly and reverently in the silence, you may experience "the Presence". It is beyond words to express.