How do you intend something without intending conflict?

[WayToTwilight]

I remember reading up on Steve's posts on the Law of Attraction, Intention Manifestation and what not and he says that if you intend conflict, you will manifest conflict. Ok sounds reasonable. He gives an example where if you two people intend to get a job, but only one can get it, you are intending a conflict.

So for example, I have been reading many of these intention manifestation posts and it seems a couple people talk about intending to get into a specific college. Well if you intend to get into a college, aren't you intending conflict if you know that only a certain amount of people will get in? Some will get in, some won't, there's a conflict there.

And then Steve mentions how one ought to intend something for everyone/all. For example, intending happiness and good health for ALL, instead of say intending good health for just yourself. This also has to do with subjective reality and a singular consciousness. If we are all part of the same consciousness, one needs to intend something for ALL. But you can't intend for ALL to be accepted into a specific college. You can't intend for everyone to be something.

I guess my main question is... where can you draw the line between intending something for yourself? Can I intend to get good grades? Would that imply that others won't get good grades?

I am kind of struggling with what I'm trying to say here. If I intend to land a job that two people compete for.. am I suppose to intend for ALL to get the job? To me it feels very paradoxical and I am confused about what I can actually intend.

[songwriter]

My experience is that your intentions maybe will not manifest because will go against some other intentions. If you have no-one against you, or with few intention against, your intention would manifest.

I intented to get some thread deleted here... It has not manifested because some people intended the contrary. And I think this is fair, the correct thing.

It's not a dictatorship of your intentions or so...

[Erki]

You intend that those other people intend "against" you so that sound like self-sabotaging to me.

[dorothy hanna]

It is possable to intend for a specific job, and someone else intends also, and they get it instead of you...first, but very often, just because the other person wanted the job, and got it, instead of you, doesn't mean they will keep the job. They have to live up to whatever they intended, in order to keep it. It can happen, that a month later, they leave for another job, or the companies, now having seen that person in action, decide that this person, doesn't really have what they were looking for, and lets them go, and soon after, you get the call for that job, and get hired. See?

[Wreck]

There was a job I applied for once, and in my mind, it was a perfect job for me at that time. If that opportunity hadn't fallen into my lap, I'd never had even guessed to even try to apply for something like that. I made it through the interview process and it was between me and another guy.

What happened? They created a 2nd position for him, one that was perfectly suited to his needs (and they were able to pay him a little more money than was allocated for the first position). I ended up getting the job.

There was no scarcity. It was a win-win.

[Holistic Star]

In the case of your intensions for a job interview, I would ask the situation to resolve itself 'for the highest good'. That might mean I don't get the job and someone else does and you have to trust that that was the right thing to work out.

[Tripp444]

Maybe what you should be intending is that you get the perfect, most fulfilling job for YOU. Maybe you should just visualize or write down everything that you would find in the perfect job; tell the universe what you want and then release it. Maybe THIS job is the job for you, maybe it's not. But trust that the perfect job will come along, and watch for the syncronicities along the way.
You can also intend that the other applicants find the perfect job for THEM. No conflict there.

[dorothy hanna]

Wow! Really good suggestions! The universe really doen't leave you hanging. It's developing your intention all the while.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by Erki

You intend that those other people intend "against" you so that sound like self-sabotaging to me.

What do you mean?. Can I control your intentions for instance?. Then I have intended you to write this too... mmm...

I think that intentions have conflicts when you speak them. If I think "I want that job" or "I want world peace" there's no problem. But if you say to the other one that wants the job "I want that job" or if you are in front of the White House saying "I want world peace", then you're causing conflict.
But not just because intending it.

If I can control your intentions.... you can control my intentions too... then who's the ruler of the intentions...

I mean... from my experience the intentions that don't manifest have other intentions against of them.

I knew someone's gonna come with your argument. I sometimes think about it. Perhaps I have intended you to do it.

I mean, maybe we self-sabotage our intentions because we're not sure they are good things....

I wanted a thread to be deleted but maybe deep inside I thought it should not be deleted... and it was not.
Call it empathy. To stop self-sabotaging ourselves we should lose our empathy... We would had to stop thinking about what happens to the others.
That goes against the "for the good of everyone, etc."... so the self-sabotaging or the intentions against.... are kind of the same thing.

Yeah, maybe I self-sabotage myself... but is because I want it deep inside, so, no problem for me.

[Erki]

Under the subjective reality model, it would mean that I had the feeling=intention that someone else had also an intention and we're in a competition.

[WayToTwilight]

Ok under the subjective reality model, we are all one. One for all, all for one. We have a singular consciousness, and we are all a part of that. At least, our physical manifestation, our egos, and our 'minds.' But consciousness transcends that in that there is ONLY ONE. So I (in reference to my ego and physical body) am just a manifestation of your consciousness. But when I say your consciousness, I really mean mine as well... since.. well... we are ALL ONE. So I intend to get a job (btw I'm not really trying to get a job, I'm just using this as an example) but I think about all the other potential applicants, I'm going to manifest conflict, because I think about possible conflicts.

What I'm saying is, how can I intend to get a job if there can only be one? I guess what I'm saying is... if I intend to get a job, and think of only getting that job and not of potential conflicts, I will get it (of course in its own perfect time, for the highest good of all)? I may not see it initially but I'll eventually get it right? I suppose its alright if I believe there can only be one person fulfilling that job at a time, but I guess that doesn't necessarily mean I won't ever get the job (i.e. in its own perfect time).

I guess what's conflicting me right now is the fact that if I intend good health for say... my dying aunt (once again I don't have a dying aunt, just an example), would that be selfish? Since if I only intend good health for my aunt, would that also imply I am NOT intending good health for all? In that way I breed conflict right? Since we are all one by subjective reality, shouldn't I really be intending good health for all and not just for one person? Or if I intend good health for myself, that does not intend good health for everyone else, again conflict. What do you think?

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by WayToTwilight

Ok under the subjective reality model, we are all one. One for all, all for one. We have a singular consciousness, and we are all a part of that. At least, our physical manifestation, our egos, and our 'minds.' But consciousness transcends that in that there is ONLY ONE. So I (in reference to my ego and physical body) am just a manifestation of your consciousness. But when I say your consciousness, I really mean mine as well... since.. well... we are ALL ONE. So I intend to get a job (btw I'm not really trying to get a job, I'm just using this as an example) but I think about all the other potential applicants, I'm going to manifest conflict, because I think about possible conflicts.

Of course. Well said.

Originally Posted by WayToTwilight

I guess what's conflicting me right now is the fact that if I intend good health for say... my dying aunt (once again I don't have a dying aunt, just an example), would that be selfish? Since if I only intend good health for my aunt, would that also imply I am NOT intending good health for all? In that way I breed conflict right? Since we are all one by subjective reality, shouldn't I really be intending good health for all and not just for one person? Or if I intend good health for myself, that does not intend good health for everyone else, again conflict. What do you think?

I liked how you where going up until this part. As in, you're making the intention far too complicated. A much more simple intention is easier to remember and often has far more impact on results, because being too specific can distort the results. So, for the example of the dying grandmother,
intending "Health for all" would suffice. Or, if you want to go a step further by just intending "health", let me explain...

Observing the grandmother as dying will perpetuate the reality of her dying and not gaining health. However, if you observe her current condition tempory then intend that it's inevitable that she will gain health (I mean, inevitable for any within your reality to regain health) she may just recover.

I think I've gone a little of track here, but anyway. We must remember that our egos are just reflections of consiousness. So by just intending health in your reality, without a specific target, you're sure to see it as a recurring theme. Hopefully that made sense.

[Richful]

I think if you intend good health for someone (real or unreal) you do not imply ill health for all others. If your focus is on a specific individual they are the sole (or soul) recipient of your good will. Everyone else remains unaffected. You exclude all but your focus from the intention.

Now a little on the grander subjective business...
If there is only One Conciousness then there is only One Will. So there can never be conflict. We perceive it on a surface level, but if you look at all the subconcious meanderings of the mind it is easy to see the origins of conflict... within us.

Now I think Steve's Subjective Reality model is pretty awesome, but not the full story. There are still some sticking points for me, like gravity and other physical laws. However, I believe that the more we intend and become aware of our desire or will the closer we get to universal will. If there is only one conciousness then greater self awareness reveals our (as in each of us united in universal will) real intentions. It's like a slow discovery that we're god and what we're actually up to. OH yeah, I forgot, neat...

So any conflicts in intention are created on an individual level be our lack of awareness...maybe.

[WayToTwilight]

Thanks Paul C. That made a lot of sense. I think I still have a trouble seeing intentions actually working. Sometimes I can't believe that just by intending something, I will get it. Then again I haven't been focusing myself on intending my true desires because... well I guess I have no really good excuse. I just have trouble thinking about intentions because I sometimes perceive a conflict in the intention.

Thanks for helping me clarify.

[songwriter]

I keep thinking of the idea of "opposed intentions". I mean you can intend something and someone intend the contrary.
The other theory would say that you are self-sabotaging yourself. You think others can have intentions against yours so... etc.

Ok, so if a girl don't want to go out with me is because I don't want her to go out with me? I'm self-sabotaging myself?

Well... maybe... If I think she has no intentions at all... I could just take her with me without saying to her a word... I may think she can't have intentions if I don't want to. So I can turn her into a robot or so...
Well... I can turn everyone into a robot then...

I don't understand it. That thing of self-sabotaging.
I believe more in the idea of some intentions don't manifest because OTHERS have others intentions, not created by you.
We're all the same consciousness. But everyone has his own PC is this World Wide Web... I think.

[Paul C]

Originally Posted by songwriter

Well... maybe... If I think she has no intentions at all... I could just take her with me without saying to her a word... I may think she can't have intentions if I don't want to. So I can turn her into a robot or so...
Well... I can turn everyone into a robot then...

Not quite. To mistreat another because you see them without intention themselves, therefore probly also thinking they are without significants as well, is to mistreat yourself. Subjectivity implies that all minds present are equal reflections of conciousness, the one true mind, if you will.

So by gratifying the ego in thinking that all others can be enslaved through a subjective mindset, won't yeild many postive results at all. Although, I expected already that's not what you're intending to do.

[Patricia]

Originally Posted by WayToTwilight

I think I still have a trouble seeing intentions actually working. Sometimes I can't believe that just by intending something, I will get it.

Then that's what you'll manifest. See, if you don't believe in the Law of Attraction, you're actually using it against itself/yourself. If you can't get yourself to believe that intentions can manifest, then that's exactly what you'll (manifest) get in your reality: not manifesting the things you intend. And this, whether you consider the subjective or the objective model of reality, doesn't matter.

And that's really the tricky part: if you don't believe, you'll see no evidence or proof. If you listen to Steve's podcast on subjective reality, that's exactly what he says:

"As soon as you start to believe it, you'll start to see more evidence coming through. And if you're not seeing evidence it's because in some way you're blocking it, it's because you're not believing that it can actually work that way. A lot of people will say: "show me the proof and I'll believe it" - and I say: "well, you'll get the proof when you believe it, it works the other way around."

In my experience this has shown to be very true. So, my suggestion is: work on this belief first if you really want to try this. If you can't resolve this conflict within yourself, you'll have trouble manifesting the things you want, because you have an underlying and predominant belief that you can't manifest something by just intending it.

[Paul]

Here's how I would respond to your question:

1. Intend the result you want. If you want good grades, it doesn't rule out others getting good grades. If you intend a particular job, you may or may not be the right 'match' for it. Other people who also intend the same job may or may not be the right 'match' for it.

2. Detach from the outcome. When you are emotionally attached to an outcome, you start to worry 'what if this happens?', 'what if that happens?' This sends conflicting signals to your subconscious and it doesn't know what to manifest.

3. Trust. Trust that things will work out best for all involved over the appropriate timeline. Trust is easier when you learn detachment.

You've probably heard the expression "Let go and let God." That's the idea behind detachment and trust.

Hope this helps.

[WayToTwilight]

I want to believe in the Law of Attraction, Subjective reality and intention-manifestation. Often though I catch myself thinking about the "what-ifs" and the "how might it happen." This in turn makes me think about potential conflicts. Right now, I need to learn to let go and just let the intention work itself out.

Thanks again for the input.

[songwriter]

mmm... and this is a big mmm...

I have though many time (it's Sunday!... ). About the majority opinion about intention/manifestation:

-If something you intended doesn't manifest it's because you don't believe it's possible. You can self-sabotage yourself. So people may seem against you with their own intentions but it's you who created that false intentions.

-My present belief is that if a intestion doesn't manifest it's because of intention of other people against it.

Okey. One strong belief I have (or maybe not ) is "Everything is possible". That's why is possible for me that the most common opinion about intention may be wrong...
That makes me doubt very much that when I intention of mine doesn't manifest is because I think it's not possible.
Well it's a possibility but I don't think so.

As I already said some things that I estimated as "hard to happen" manifested after my intention. And things that were easier to happen (according to my belief) didn't happen.
But maybe I have "hidden beliefs" that I don't even know about what's possible and what's not.

Now how can you change those beliefs. Believing you can change them, you may say. Yes, that's why I think everything is possible, I may be wrong in my sub-theory or so.

[Ati]

Great discussion here...I found myself hitting the multiple reply button so often, I just went without them

I find myself going two different ways with intentions, depending upon the situation I find myself in.

1. I expand or generalize my intention: If I think that maybe my intending something for myself in a specific way can't help but intend something which would go against someone else's intentions or well being, or go against the good of all in some way, then I expand my intention.
So, instead of "I intend to get this job", for example, it becomes "I intend a job which fits me wonderfully at this time and helps me to work for the greater good of all"

2. I narrow down or make more specific my intention: If I think I'm going for "pie in the sky" or something so grand that I can't really get a good handle on what I mean, then I make it more specific.
So, "I intend world peace" becomes "I intend my own recognition and ready action for the good of all in any manner which may help our world situation" That's still pretty broad, but it is more specific to my mind, to intend my own recognition and action (one person) than simply "world peace", which might mean just about anything.
Or, on a more local front, "I intend all in my place of working to work for the highest quality outcome" becomes "I intend my own influence on others to be inspiring, encouraging, helpful and for my actions to influence others to work towards high quality outcome."

Does this make sense? Perhaps the idea behind these maneuvers is just to keep my own thinking straight

[WayToTwilight]

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I have trouble phrasing my intentions because I worry if it inherently breeds conflict or if it isn't specific enough or if its even TOO specific.

Another area I need to work on is NOT killing the intention with "passing thoughts." Usually I will intend something and then forget I intended it, and as I'm walking to class or something, my mind might be focused on some sort of worried thought that kills the intention.

I think my biggest hurdle is trying to maintain a positive outlook on life and therefore be able to intend more positive things to come into my life. I often forget in the hustle and bustle of schoolwork (I am really swamped with a lot of work this quarter so I am really feeling the heat) and social conditioning has really put a stranglehold on me in terms of worrying about grades and my future after college.

But yeah, I think it makes sense to kind of expand the intention. Or change it in some way to encompass more than just myself. Often I think my intentions are too selfish but I like the way that you go with that Ati.

Songwriter, if you read more of Steve's articles on intention-manifestation, you will realize it is based off of subjective reality. In subjective reality, there is only one consciousness... YOU! But really I'm talking about myself... and Ati... and Paul.... and everyone else in the world. What you continue to do is identify with your ego. 'Ego' is separate from consciousness, it's how we perceive ourselves in this physical plane. However everything in reality is really a manifestation of thoughts, YOUR THOUGHTS! So in actuality, it is you who destroys your own intentions! In actuality... you (as in your ego and physical body) and me, aren't real, but we ARE real because you believe it. What's real is your consciousness, and it's something we all share. So if you continue to believe that manifestations will follow your intentions, you can finally intend what you want. This was a really short blurb on IM, read through Steve's articles. They're very helpful.

Heh, sorry if I sound like a broken record.

[Sadhana]

Doesn't this really rely on your state of mind?

If you're worried about your intending to land a job meaning that other people can't, then that will probably manifest.

If on the other hand, you have no such worries and you're firmly 100% into landing the job, then, barring any other conflicts in your mind, that's probably what will manifest...

Originally Posted by WayToTwilight

I remember reading up on Steve's posts on the Law of Attraction, Intention Manifestation and what not and he says that if you intend conflict, you will manifest conflict. Ok sounds reasonable. He gives an example where if you two people intend to get a job, but only one can get it, you are intending a conflict.

So for example, I have been reading many of these intention manifestation posts and it seems a couple people talk about intending to get into a specific college. Well if you intend to get into a college, aren't you intending conflict if you know that only a certain amount of people will get in? Some will get in, some won't, there's a conflict there.

And then Steve mentions how one ought to intend something for everyone/all. For example, intending happiness and good health for ALL, instead of say intending good health for just yourself. This also has to do with subjective reality and a singular consciousness. If we are all part of the same consciousness, one needs to intend something for ALL. But you can't intend for ALL to be accepted into a specific college. You can't intend for everyone to be something.

I guess my main question is... where can you draw the line between intending something for yourself? Can I intend to get good grades? Would that imply that others won't get good grades?

I am kind of struggling with what I'm trying to say here. If I intend to land a job that two people compete for.. am I suppose to intend for ALL to get the job? To me it feels very paradoxical and I am confused about what I can actually intend.

[songwriter]

Originally Posted by WayToTwilight

Songwriter, if you read more of Steve's articles on intention-manifestation, you will realize it is based off of subjective reality. In subjective reality, there is only one consciousness... YOU! But really I'm talking about myself... and Ati... and Paul.... and everyone else in the world. What you continue to do is identify with your ego. 'Ego' is separate from consciousness, it's how we perceive ourselves in this physical plane. However everything in reality is really a manifestation of thoughts, YOUR THOUGHTS! So in actuality, it is you who destroys your own intentions! In actuality... you (as in your ego and physical body) and me, aren't real, but we ARE real because you believe it. What's real is your consciousness, and it's something we all share. So if you continue to believe that manifestations will follow your intentions, you can finally intend what you want. This was a really short blurb on IM, read through Steve's articles. They're very helpful.

Yes, I know Steve and majority opinions. But I don't share them. I have my long experience in IM, 9 years or so. I started to do it without reading or knowing about it... I do what works best for me.
I don't believe that when something doesn't manifest is because I believe it's not possible or that other people intentions are only creations of me or so.
I have my own point of view.

[eternomi]

Intend away anything you wish. If you can't manifest your intention, you are:

1) either intending something you don't need for your purpose, thus will not receive it no matter how hard you intend.

2) or you are locking yourself in to a specific path to get to your desire (ex: I want a girlfriend, and I want "that" one over there or I want to get rich and I want to "win the lottery"), so you need to keep looking for clues as to what to intend, how to proceed and keep intending.

Eventually you'll either get your desire manifested, get clues that says you need to change your intention or give up all together.

[Wreck]

Originally Posted by outback

Intend away anything you wish. If you can't manifest your intention, you are:

1) either intending something you don't need for your purpose, thus will not receive it no matter how hard you intend.

Here I'd think it should be something to the effect of "what you think you're intending and what you're actually intending aren't in alignment, that you may be saying/intending one thing, but your actions are saying/intending something else."

I say this because I've manifested all sorts of things in my life I didn't want, things I got because of wrong thinking. Like focusing on what you don't want rather than what you do want, or being in a state of wanting something rather than being in a state of having something. I've also manifested things I thought I wanted, things that I didn't need for a purpose, things that ended up being a curse instead of a blessing because of it.

[eternomi]

Originally Posted by Wreck

Here I'd think it should be something to the effect of "what you think you're intending and what you're actually intending aren't in alignment, that you may be saying/intending one thing, but your actions are saying/intending something else."

This would still fall under #2 because you are misaligned even though you are not aware of it yet. This could be likened to Steve's "fire first, aim next" approach. You get something out there, then look at feedback, and re-aim.


So,
#1 is you are aligned internally but to the wrong thing and you are not aware of this.
#2 is you realize you are alignment is off even though you thought it was right.

I think you can't simply align to anything even if you are fully internally congruent with it, but still, all this misalignment does not go to waste (unless you totally give up). It just leads you towards #2 where you realize you are too specific and you are asking for things that are not meant for you.

[eternomi]

The supporters of SR will say "Oh no, you can't change your mind! That'll stop manifestation".

Well, the way I see it, you are not changing your mind at all. You still want the money (lottery) or the girl, but you are not aligned properly, so you are changing your alignment without changing your desire. The end point is the same, but your path has changed because your path was too strict or your energy was not matched up with the specific path you picked to reach your goal. You gotta try something different.. Pick a different girl, or a different way to make a million dollars. Better yet, watch for signals and they'll tell you what path to follow.

What if the end point is wrong? I am sure you'll get signals about that too. Steve has changed his end points more than once. Just look at his blog posts. They usually start with "When I thought about it some more, I realized..."

[Richful]

I think if you don't aim for what you really want your intention is not clear enough, outback I'd call that misalligned. People spend a lot of time chasing things they think will bring them what they want.

Ex. You want a girlfriend? Why? What is it you want in a girlfriend? What "rules" do you have in relationships (we all do)? Do you really want a girlfriend or deep down is it self-acceptance you want? You might get a girlfriend but still feel unfulfilled.

Ex2. Want to win the lottery? Money is a tool, what do you want to do with it? Is it a feeling of abundance and freedom you want?

The closer you are to the heart of your desire the stronger the emotion/attraction will be. Strong emotion drives the intention.
All my opinions, agree, disagree?

[elizalex]

Hello, my name is Elizabeth. I am form the US. I am searching for others who are interested in mindfulness, using the power of attraction and intention.