Who do you listen to?

[impaul99]

Hi all, I just wanted to take a quick moment to pop by the forums again and offer some value that might help in your Intention Manifestation journey.

As some of you know, a few months ago I was lent a copy of "Your Wish is Your Command" by a friend of mine. It's a 14-CD audio course put out by Kevin Trudeau and the Global Information Network.

I found this training to be invaluable, and pretty much the best LoA course I have ever seen in my 10 year study of Law of Attraction. Since taking and applying the teachings of the course, I've manifested a lot of cool stuff in my life in the last few months.

I have also become a Level 1 Member of GIN because I love their training so much and the mission of the organization as a whole.

Anyway, one of the first things I wanted to share with you guys that I learned from YWIYC and GIN is the importance of being VERY selective of "Who do you listen to?"

It may sound like a very simple thing, but I have found it to be a HUGE factor in making LoA work for you.

There are many, many, many levels to the "Who do you listen to?" concept, but I'll start with the basics.

The biggest "flaw" with learning how the Universe / LoA works is not that there isn't enough information / books / courses / forum posts / opinions out there which teach how it works.

The biggest flaw is that there is TOO MUCH information out there. Information on the Law of Attraction can really be broken down into three categories:

(1) Purposely False - This is information that is purposely disseminated publicly which contains parts of the truth, intermingled with a whole bunch of false information intended to keep people running in circles. Information that is also "missing" key pieces of the formula also falls into this category. Those missing pieces were omitted on purpose.

(2) Innocently False - This is information that is spread around all over the internet and in books by people who THEORIZE on how the LoA might work, should work, or how it makes logical sense that it should work. However, these are people who have not actually produced any real, duplicateable, major results with the Law of Attraction.

For example, in monetary terms, maybe they manifested $100, or $500, or even a few hundred thousand dollars, or even perhaps a million dollars over a few years.

However, when they try to teach their methods to other people, 95%-99% of their students fail to produce any results. Also, they themselves often have trouble duplicating results.

Very often these types of teachings reflect the current beliefs of the masses on what they believe to be the truth about how "LoA" works. By reflecting the beliefs of the masses it's easy to get a large number of people to say "Yes, that must be the truth, because that's what I already believe!" even if those beliefs produce NO RESULTS in people's lives. It's all just theory that sounds good but because it doesn't challenge our beliefs, we accept it as truth because it's so easy to agree with that which we already believe.

(3) True Time Tested - This is information that has been thoroughly tested by many, many people and has been used to produce MASSIVE results utilizing the Law of Attraction. It produces reproducible results for anyone who utilizes the teachings. As long as you do what the teachings say, you will produce results. If you don't do what the teaching says, you don't produce a result.

Often times these teachings are simple, seemingly illogical, and very often go against the very beliefs you currently hold onto which are preventing you from experiencing results. Often time when first heard, we will challenge these teachings because they go against our beliefs - the very same beliefs which are keeping us stuck.

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Ok, so where do we go from here. Well, we need to realize that WHO WE LISTEN TO is very important.

For example, I have about 500-800 books here on my book shelves. A lot of them touch on the subject of "attraction", "manifestation" etc. in one way or another. So technically I have about 500-800 "opinions" here.

That is the equivalent of having 500-800 different recipes for a very specific cake, with all the recipes calling for different ingredients and in different amounts. Having that many recipes makes it impossible to actually bake a cake. You can't follow all of them at once. You have to pick one to see if it produces the cake you want.

However, what you soon realize is that 95% of the 500-800 recipes are not even complete...they simply make general statements like "Don't use general purpose flour whenever baking a cake, otherwise it won't work." and that's it. They don't say what kind of flour to use, and even if they do, they don't include the rest of the recipe.

In this same way, there are so many theories out there, mostly written by well-intentioned authors that fall into the 2nd category I listed above. For example "The Celestine Prophecy" is a great book.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. However, it is a FICTIONAL book about a FICTIONAL character with a FICTIONAL story that DIDN'T HAPPEN. No different than the movie THE MATRIX for example. It's a story, not something that actually happened.

Anyway, the point is that for me books like "The Celestine Prophecy" are no longer a reliable source of information as they fall into category #2. The Matrix as well. Neo doesn't actually exist, and he can't teach me how to manifest because he's not a real person in this reality, he's a fictional character created by the Wachowski brothers. I can still watch and enjoy the movie, but it's not a "RECIPE" for success.

What about all the other books that I have on LoA written by authors who make their money selling books on LoA? Unless my primary goal is to be an author of LoA books who makes all his money selling LoA books, then I have to discard their teachings as well since they haven't manifested money outside of their LoA teaching career.

If my goal, for example is to manifest a net worth of $50,000,000 or more, then I have to pretty much discard all books written by people who didn't manifest at least that. Or at least I have to consider that their information may not be complete.

What about people like Donald Trump, or Warren Buffet? They are very rich. What about books written by them? Well, their books might be good if they actually wrote them. Donald Trump doesn't write his books. They are ghost written by someone else who writes everything through their own filter. That person writing it probably makes $50,000/year or maybe $150,000/year as a writer, but hardly an ultra wealthy person.

Ultimately you have to come to realize that there is VERY LITTLE information out there, that falls under category #3.

Most of it is Category #2, where well intentioned people are just spreading their opinions. There's nothing wrong with that. Bloggers do it all the time, we do it here on the forums, it's all good. But it's not a formula for success.

Also a lot of information out there is Category #1 - especially when we're dealing with mass media / hollywood etc.

So where do we get Category #3 info? Well you have to find people who:
(a) Have a proven track record of producing the results you want to produce.
(b) Have the ability and desire to teach it to other people.

For example if you want to become a master chef, then you have to go and study with someone who is a master chef.

This is the old Master/Apprentice model of teaching.

If you want to be a Black Belt in Aikido, go study with a 5th Degree black belt in Aikido.

Don't study with the guy who read 1,000 books on Aikido but who hasn't ever trained.

Don't try to learn Aikido by watching YouTube videos of it, or watching a hollywood movie on it.

"WHO DO YOU LISTEN TO?" is one of the fundamental success principles.

This is one of the fundamentals taught in "Your Wish is Your COmmand". Kevin Trudeau does a much better job of teaching it than I do. However I just wanted to share it with you guys if you haven't gotten a copy of YWIYC yet.

By the way, if anyone wants to get access to YWIYC for free, I have copies that I can lend out. I know I mentioned this before, but I just wanted to mention it for anyone who hadn't seen that post of mine.

Also, just to be clear, the "Who do you listen to?" rule also applies to me. I don't recommend anyone listen to me for any advice on anything I haven't accomplished myself. Most of what I say falls into Category #2. I have good intentions, but I have not yet manifested a net worth of $50,000,000+ myself. I'm working on it, but not there yet.

Therefore if that is your goal, I recommend not listening to me. I instead recommend listening to other teachers who have already manifested such things, which is exactly what the GLobal Information Network is about - putting people in direct contact with those in the world who are producing real results.

[Dave Plaza]

Hey, thanks for the info I'd never heard of this, so I did some checking...

The reviews on amazon weren't so hot for this course, and also the reviews on this dude were not too nice, check the link...

Consumer complaints about Kevin Trudeau

However I feel it would be quite wrong to dismiss this as a scam just becuase somebody else says so. I mean, you gotta test the water yourself and make your own judgements...

So, thank you to the torrent sites, I've just downloaded this course. Gonna give it a listen and post back when finished.

Cheers!

[MagicalRealist]

Originally Posted by Dave Plaza

Hey, thanks for the info I'd never heard of this, so I did some checking...

The reviews on amazon weren't so hot for this course, and also the reviews on this dude were not too nice, check the link...

Consumer complaints about Kevin Trudeau

However I feel it would be quite wrong to dismiss this as a scam just becuase somebody else says so. I mean, you gotta test the water yourself and make your own judgements...

So, thank you to the torrent sites, I've just downloaded this course. Gonna give it a listen and post back when finished.

Cheers!

Ha! If you get all the way through it, you deserve a medal. Or at least a nice box of cookies, if you make it past disc 5. There's a tiny bit of valid information in it (that is available from other teachers), but it's wrapped up in lots of tedious, conspiracy-theory nonsense and Trudeau telling rambling, self-aggrandizing fables about himself.

The OP was shilling for (convicted fraudster) Trudeau and this course back in October; here's the relevant thread. Oh, and this one, too. He's also bought into Trudeau's pricey MLM scheme ($150/month + $1500 initiation fee for that Level 1 membership), so he has a financial stake in convincing others that Trudeau is the best LoA teacher out there.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by MagicalRealist

Ha! If you get all the way through it

So true! Isn't it funny to see how some things strike a chord with some people, and not with others.

I found him painfully repetitive, and rambling as well.

I know you think he's great Paul, but honestly I don't see what you seen in him.

I also agree, enough with the pimping of Trudeau.

[Debo]

Starting to think there is something fishy going on, some commision for recommending this persons work? sorry if I`m sounding cynical, but it does come across as the hard sell !!!

personally I think there are many pieces of information on LOA and lots of different styles for a reason, we are all different, we all learn different ways through different techniques hence why we need to plough thru it all to see who `clicks` with us . I have enjoyed reading many books on LoA picked bits I like from all of them.

Glad his work is working for you tho, truly I am

Debo

[Seahorse]

Paul sounds like hard-core salesman who works for an MLM scheme. And it's a real turn-off.

Stay away from that like a pest.

Too obvious to not see it for what it is. I mean, who on earth needs 800 books+ (!) and still not understand that you go from one 'workshop' to the next like a drug addict (to get your next kick and 'rush' of "positive energy" only to fall back on your lame little results of 'manifestation' and use this forum as a sales 'platform'?! Urrrghhh!). The bloke doesn't seem to get that one needs to work on oneself, not read tons o' books!

Losers don't attend and become members of MLM. I wonder how much he had to put on the table to become a "Level 1" 'member'.

What a waste time and money!

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Seahorse

Paul sounds like hard-core salesman who works for an MLM scheme. And it's a real turn-off.

Paul has been an active member on here, for many years, and quite helpful in the past.

I don't know I get the feeling something has shifted within you Paul of late...all I would say is don't get too caught up in these schemes. They sound like they become addictive.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by ellie

Paul has been an active member on here, for many years, and quite helpful in the past.

I don't know I get the feeling something has shifted within you Paul of late...all I would say is don't get too caught up in these schemes. They sound like they become addictive.

I don't know either what's up. Paul, at first I was intrigued because I respect your opinion a lot, and you sounded so excited about this. But ever since then, basically all you've done is promote this course and GIN membership. That's at least 50 percent of what you do on Facebook too.

I began with your free membership deal or whatever it was, and at some point I attempted to listen to one of Kevin's recordings. It was something about eliminating debt in 10 minutes flat I can't remember exactly; I was in a distraught frame of mind after having a lot of financial success throughout the year and then getting smacked flat in fall. That recording looked like it was just the thing for me. Since you were so excited, I was excited.

Well, I couldn't download Part 1 for some reason, so I started with Part 2. And here's how Part 2 went:

"How did you get into debt? You spent too much. [pause] You SPENT too much! [pause] YOU spent too much! [pause] You spent too much. You spent too much."

It probably wasn't exactly like that, but it was similar to that, and that's truly not what I needed to hear at that moment, especially not over and over until I wanted to crawl into a hole.

Then he starts going on about how it's one thing if you're living in a studio apartment and riding your bike to work, but he knows that's not his audience.

"What did you spend too much on? [pause] Got an X-Box? A flat-screen TV? When you go on vacation, do you stay at cheap motels or great motels? Yada yada."

At that point, I turned off the recording and rescinded my subscription to your materials, Paul.

If Kevin Trudeau actually has something for me about how to get out of debt in 10 minutes flat without having to listen to him drone on and on and on about how I spent too much on X-Boxes and flat-screen TVs, I'd love to hear what it is. Perhaps Kevin would like to send me a cashier's check.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Seahorse

Paul sounds like hard-core salesman who works for an MLM scheme. And it's a real turn-off.

MLM's are not "Schemes". They are a legitimate way to earn a part time income from home. More and more people are turning to Network Marketing Companies for a way to earn a part-time income, due to the way that the US economy and as the old paradigm of "get a good job with a good pension and benefits" is pretty much dead.

Really, all an MLM company is, is a commission only affiliate program. Almost every Blogger / Internet Marketer in the world (including Steve) makes money by promoting something as affiliates. Anyone who has Google Adsense on their site is also making money as an affiliate.

When Steve promotes SiteBuildIt, he makes money as an affiliate on that as well. Is that a "scheme"?

I mean, who on earth needs 800 books+ (!) and still not understand...

Many of the top posting members on this forum, and Steve Pavlina and myself have read way more than 800+ books.

I wonder how much he had to put on the table to become a "Level 1" 'member'.

$1,500 initiation fee, and I pay $150/month. And it's worth every penny.

What a waste time and money!

Well, if you're already rich and successful and all the free information you're getting on the Internet is working for you, then that's awesome for you.

I find the membership tremendously useful and worth every penny.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by ellie

I know you think he's great Paul, but honestly I don't see what you seen in him.

Who cares what I see in him. The whole point of what I was trying to do is share the WISDOM that is taught, not Kevin Trudeau.

Kevin Trudeau did not invent the teaching "Who do you listen to?". It was taught to him by his mentors who were ultra wealthy and successful. They learned it from their mentors before them.

I also agree, enough with the pimping of Trudeau.

I'm sorry, I thought the purpose of this forum was for people to ask questions and share their experiences with Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction related information that actually WORKS for them.

In over 10 years of studying Law of Attraction, I finally found something that works amazingly well not just for me but for virtually ever person I share the teaching with, and you don't want me to tell you about it here?

Like I said in my original post. This information is different. It does NOT always support the existing beliefs that most of us have about LoA and such here on this forum. It's not just a re-hashed teaching which MIRRORS the beliefs that we already have so it's not easy to accept at first.

This is why people hate Kevin Trudeau, because he's got the kahoonas to say "Take vitamins" instead of "Take pharmaceuticals" in the sickest country in the world. He's got the kahoonas to say "Don't worship Think and Grow Rich, because there were parts intentionally taken out of the book to keep you poor. It's missing pieces." etc.

Trust me, I thought the thing was a scam when I first heard of it too about a year ago. But a good friend who I trust told me that he listened to YWIYC and he applied it and got results. And when a friend recommends something like that I at least give it a try.

I tried it. It produced results. It continues to produce results. It produces results for my friends who have also listened and applied it.

Why wouldn't you guys want me to share such a thing here? I don't get it.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Dave Plaza

However I feel it would be quite wrong to dismiss this as a scam just becuase somebody else says so. I mean, you gotta test the water yourself and make your own judgements...

Congratulations. You've just shown that you're already applying the "Who do you listen to?" teaching in your life.

You're not dismissing a teaching just because a review on Amazon or some information on a website states something. A very smart person (not related to Kevin Trudeau or GIN or any of this) told me something very useful the other day.

He said "The credibility of the information is only as good as the credibility of the source."

To me an Amazon review has very little credibility. But I guess for most sheeple it's enough to keep the away from the truth.

Gonna give it a listen and post back when finished.

Let me know if you need any help with it. I can also share some ideas on how to make the teaching even more effective that I learned as a LVL1 member and from getting feedback from about 80 people who have listened to the course and played around with different strategies for applying it.

Some people complain that Kevin speaks very slowly. That is done on purpose, as you'll learn later on. But if it's going to stop you from listening, I recommend downloading a free iPhone app which allows you to speed up the listening speed to like 1.2x or 1.5x or whatever works for you.

Windows Media player also does this, although I highly recommend putting the files on a portable player or phone or in some way making it available for listening to in the car. That is usually the only way that people get through the course, by listening to it in their car while driving. It's too distracting to try to listen to an audio program while on the computer with Facebook, Email, messengers, Twittter etc. popping up.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I don't know either what's up. Paul, at first I was intrigued because I respect your opinion a lot, and you sounded so excited about this. But ever since then, basically all you've done is promote this course and GIN membership. That's at least 50 percent of what you do on Facebook too.

I was excited. And now I'm even more excited. See before I was excited because I manifested some small things very quickly. I also had some friends manifest some small things very quickly. That got me excited.

Now a few months in, I have started to manifest WAY bigger things, and so have my friends. It talk to people almost every day on the phone who have put the teachings into effect and they thank me for sharing this with them.

Just last week a mother of 4 kids said to me "Paul, thank you so much for sharing this with me. This is the first Christmas I've had with my kids where I actually have some extra money for Christmas gifts, instead of not enough."

Wouldn't you be excited about something that produces results for yourself and others like this?

You should be seeing the fact that I'm STILL talking about this months later, here and on Facebook and on the phone with everyone I talk to, and when I meet with friends and family in person, and on Twitter, and in emails - as a sign that THIS WORKS. If it was junk, I would have dumped it and moved on!

Well, I couldn't download Part 1 for some reason, so I started with Part 2.

I know which audio you're referring to. You must listen to Part 1 to understand what he's saying though.

"How did you get into debt? You spent too much. [pause] You SPENT too much! [pause] YOU spent too much! [pause] You spent too much. You spent too much."

It probably wasn't exactly like that, but it was similar to that, and that's truly not what I needed to hear at that moment, especially not over and over until I wanted to crawl into a hole.

Then he starts going on about how it's one thing if you're living in a studio apartment and riding your bike to work, but he knows that's not his audience.

"What did you spend too much on? [pause] Got an X-Box? A flat-screen TV? When you go on vacation, do you stay at cheap motels or great motels? Yada yada."

Kevin's not scared to state the truth. He is totally right in that audio. I know so many people who are totally over their ears in debt, and I see them at Costco and Bestbuy shopping for yet a bigger TV and a new gaming console.

They don't have enough money to pay for groceries, but they have a 52" Plasma Screen TV.

Everything he says thought has to be taken in the context of the whole message he is saying. Otherwise it would be like reading four paragraphs of one of Steve Pavlina's posts and judging the whole website based on that.

If Kevin Trudeau actually has something for me about how to get out of debt in 10 minutes flat without having to listen to him drone on and on and on about how I spent too much on X-Boxes and flat-screen TVs, I'd love to hear what it is. Perhaps Kevin would like to send me a cashier's check.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but what you just said pretty much summarizes why you're in debt. There is no 10 minute cure to your debt. He can teach you what to do, but you still need to do it. There is no knight in shining armor with a cashier's check heading your way.

To get rid of your debts, you must first take 100% responsibility for them. It may sound like a "negative" thing to do that, but it is not. Taking 100% responsibility for your life gives you POWER. It allows you to RECLAIM your power from your stuff.

The banks and credit card companies and stores out there who want to just put you in more debt and sell you more crap want you to just keep consuming more crap while at the same time programming you with the "It's not my fault. It's not my fault." mentality, giving away your power.

I have a big screen TV.
I have an Xbox.
I have a Nintendo Wii.
I have a Playstation 3.
I have 2 cars.
And I still have some debts.

When I listened to that audio, it made me realize that he is completely right. It was ** I ** who made the decision to purchase all those things and put me in debt. As much as that makes me feel like crap for a millisecond for making STUPID choices in the past, it also helps me to RECLAIM my power. Because what it does is it makes me realize that if was ** I ** who decided to make those "bad" decisions back then, and nobody else.

Nobody else decided for me. It was me. And now it is me who can decide in different ways moving forward.

I would highly recommend listening to YWIYC first though, before the audio's you started listening to though. They are meant to be listened to after you have a basic understanding of what he's talking about.

Otherwise it's like turning on "The Matrix" movie at the point where Neo stops the bullets from flying at him, and saying "Pfffft, this movie is stupid, how can anyone stop bullets like that...what a STUPID movie."

You need to understand the context of the information.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by impaul99

MLM's are not "Schemes". They are a legitimate way to earn a part time income from home.

I wouldn't necessarily say they are 'schemes,' but the problem is that most people don't make money from them.

Originally Posted by impaul99

I'm sorry, I thought the purpose of this forum was for people to ask questions and share their experiences with Intention Manifestation / Law of Attraction related information that actually WORKS for them.

In over 10 years of studying Law of Attraction, I finally found something that works amazingly well not just for me but for virtually ever person I share the teaching with, and you don't want me to tell you about it here?

Like I said in my original post. This information is different. It does NOT always support the existing beliefs that most of us have about LoA and such here on this forum. It's not just a re-hashed teaching which MIRRORS the beliefs that we already have so it's not easy to accept at first.

I think the problem is you're not so much sharing something as you are trying to convince people to buy something. People often are skeptical about "secret information" that they're supposed to pay a bunch of money to get.

This is why people hate Kevin Trudeau, because he's got the kahoonas to say "Take vitamins" instead of "Take pharmaceuticals" in the sickest country in the world.

I'm not exactly sure why people hate Kevin Trudeau; I don't. I even wrote a relatively positive review on Amazon for that health book of his.

Originally Posted by impaul99

To me an Amazon review has very little credibility. But I guess for most sheeple it's enough to keep the away from the truth.

Ooops. Never mind!

Some people complain that Kevin speaks very slowly. That is done on purpose, as you'll learn later on.

Yes, all that slow repetitive stuff is supposed to be hypnotic and send it straight into your subconscious, I suppose. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It sure is dull to listen to, though. I get the impression from what nearly everyone has said who's gotten through the 14 CDs or made an attempt, that they wish he'd just present the information. We could hypnotize ourselves with it if we like.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Kevin's not scared to state the truth. He is totally right in that audio. I know so many people who are totally over their ears in debt, and I see them at Costco and Bestbuy shopping for yet a bigger TV and a new gaming console.

They don't have enough money to pay for groceries, but they have a 52" Plasma Screen TV.

You see what I mean, though -- he's not talking to me.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but what you just said pretty much summarizes why you're in debt. There is no 10 minute cure to your debt. He can teach you what to do, but you still need to do it.

If all he can tell me is to stop buying 52" plasma screen TVs, that's not going to help.

There is no knight in shining armor with a cashier's check heading your way.

What makes you so sure? People here are always talking about money appearing out of nowhere.

To get rid of your debts, you must first take 100% responsibility for them.

I know. I have worked my way up to taking a large responsibility for them. I still catch myself blaming everyone else and resenting the firms to which I owe money, but I still know that I'm the one who spent money I didn't have. I don't need to hear anyone repeating that to me over and over at this point. We're past that point. It's demoralizing.

I have a big screen TV.
I have an Xbox.
I have a Nintendo Wii.
I have a Playstation 3.
I have 2 cars.
And I still have some debts.

Yeah, well, I don't have any of that stuff. Ok, technically I do have 2 cars. One is basically a lawn ornament, however.

I would highly recommend listening to YWIYC first though, before the audio's you started listening to though. They are meant to be listened to after you have a basic understanding of what he's talking about.

I am willing to listen to it. I still haven't figured out to get it, though. Is that a mental block?

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I wouldn't necessarily say they are 'schemes,' but the problem is that most people don't make money from them.

95% of all businesses fail within the first 5 years. That's a fact. Whether that be a restaurant, a consulting business, a hair salon, or any other brick-n-mortar business.

MLM's have a very low cost of entry - often less than $500 to "get into business" so that often also attracts people who are not very serious about actually building a business.

Also, due to improper training, most people try to "sell" MLM's to their friends and relatives as an "easy way to make money", like a lottery, and that is where most of the negativity comes from.

MLM's are just as easy/difficult to build a business with as any other business out there. The big difference is that they don't require a large startup cost like most businesses and they don't require you to have to do EVERYTHING like when starting a new business from scratch. Meaning, you just do the marketing and they take care of the rest (accounting, product development, shipping, service etc.)

I think the problem is you're not so much sharing something as you are trying to convince people to buy something. People often are skeptical about "secret information" that they're supposed to pay a bunch of money to get.

To attend the seminar where YWIYC was recorded, it cost $10,000. The YWIYC CD series sells for $350 online. I think it's worth every penny of that.

However, I'm not trying to sell you anything. In fact I want to lend you my copy for free if you promise to listen to it. That is about as opposite as you can get from "trying to sell you something".

If you listen to the information and it doesn't resonate with you, it cost you nothing. If you listen to the information and it changes your life - I CAN'T stop you from becoming a GIN Member.

The guy who shared YWIYC with me didn't have to SELL me on GIN membership. I wanted it. In fact if he tried to stop me from becoming a GIN member I'd punch him in the face because the information is that valuable to me. I don't care if anyone becomes a member of GIN on here. I'm just sharing the free info, and people can decide from there.

I'm not exactly sure why people hate Kevin Trudeau; I don't. I even wrote a relatively positive review on Amazon for that health book of his.

Yes, all his books are good. Although his debt book wasn't that great for me as I'm in Canada and most of the info is US specific I found.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

You see what I mean, though -- he's not talking to me.

You most likely just picked the wrong audio to listen to first then.

I highly recommend starting with YWIYC.

If all he can tell me is to stop buying 52" plasma screen TVs, that's not going to help.

That's not all he teaches. However... while we're on the subject, don't buy a 52" plasma screen if you're in debt. It's better to save/manifest money for it first.

What makes you so sure? People here are always talking about money appearing out of nowhere.

Absolutely. I am constantly doing that. However, there is a distinction. You have to realize that it is YOU who manifests that money, not a Knight in Shining armor coming to rescue you who manifests it for you.

You have to take 100% responsibility for everything you manifest in your life. That also means stuff like your debts!

I know. I have worked my way up to taking a large responsibility for them. I still catch myself blaming everyone else and resenting the firms to which I owe money, but I still know that I'm the one who spent money I didn't have. I don't need to hear anyone repeating that to me over and over at this point. We're past that point. It's demoralizing.

If you only realized how much POWER there is in this very thing you're resisting here...

... perhaps just the timing isn't right yet. Come back to this when it feels good to take 100% responsibility for everything, even the stuff that doesn't feel good right now.

Yeah, well, I don't have any of that stuff. Ok, technically I do have 2 cars. One is basically a lawn ornament, however.

All of us in debt spend our money on something. Whatever our highest values are usually.

I am willing to listen to it. I still haven't figured out to get it, though. Is that a mental block?

Email me at paul - at- ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.com and I'll send you instructions on how to borrow my YWIYC cd's for free. I'm heading out for a while, but when I get back I'll send you that info.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I think the problem is you're not so much sharing something as you are trying to convince people to buy something. People often are skeptical about "secret information" that they're supposed to pay a bunch of money to get.

Whatever the truth about YWIYC, I stand firm in my conviction: Fundamental Truths About Reality = everyone's 'birthright' -> no price tag.

[MagicalRealist]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Whatever the truth about YWIYC, I stand firm in my conviction: Fundamental Truths About Reality = everyone's 'birthright' -> no price tag.

Wise Froggy is wise.

So far, I've managed to manifest information as I've needed it, as I was ready for it--and I've never had to pay a dime for it. Not just free information online, but books, audiobooks, and firsthand knowledge from people with the right kind of expertise. These forums, where people who play with reality discuss what has worked for them (or ask for insight into why something they tried didn't work) have been part of that.

I'm happy to pay for materials that have resonated with me and been helpful in my development. To me, that's a way of offering thanks to the people who put that information into a useful form, as well as an easy means of transmitting that knowledge to others (I give away a lot of books, passing the knowledge I originally got for free on to others).

Whatever you want to know? Whatever guidance you need? Whatever information will help you on the current leg of your journey? It's all out there, and it's all free for the manifesting. Ask, and it will be given. There are no "hidden secrets" to manifesting that can only be had by paying thousands of dollars to the one guy who claims to hold the key to forbidden knowledge. Really, there aren't.

Abundance is our birthright. Joy is our birthright. And, by extension, so is the knowledge of how to claim these things. And anyone who tells you that they are the only one who can give you that knowledge--as long as you're willing to pay the price they set on it--is a liar.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by MagicalRealist

I'm happy to pay for materials that have resonated with me and been helpful in my development. To me, that's a way of offering thanks to the people who put that information into a useful form, as well as an easy means of transmitting that knowledge to others (I give away a lot of books, passing the knowledge I originally got for free on to others).

That's exactly why I'm a GIN member. By being a member I get access to exclusive information from some of the most amazing people in the world without paying for each of the workshops individually. Meaning, GIN hosts hundreds of events that I get FREE access to as a member, so I don't have to pay for each workshop individually.

As a Level 1 Member I get access to all Lvl1 workshops that are being held all over the world on a variety of different topics. And what's even more cool is that GIN records an audio version of each seminar and has them available for listening to on their website shortly thereafter. So if I can't attend a workshop in person, I can just listen to the audio online. That is one of the benefits of membership.

There are no "hidden secrets" to manifesting that can only be had by paying thousands of dollars to the one guy who claims to hold the key to forbidden knowledge. Really, there aren't.

(1) The "hidden secrets" to manifesting are shared in the program "Your Wish is Your Command". This program is being offered to you for FREE, not for "thousands of dollars".

(2) Kevin Trudeau doesn't claim to be the only one who knows this secret. In fact I personally know a multi-millionaire who I used to work with who knows the same secrets, and he LIVES these principles but he doesn't teach them.

Most people who know these secrets don't have time to teach them to people, they simply apply them in their own lives. KT also doesn't claim he came up with any of these secrets. They were taught to him.

(3) There are BILLIONS of dollars every year spent by people attending seminars and workshops and buying all types of courses where people share highly specialized information / knowledge on specific topics to people who are looking for that kind of information.

Steve Pavlina charges what $400-$500 for a workshop? Esther / Abraham charge $$$ for their workshops. Tony Robbins charges for his workshops. Deepak Chopra charges for his. Eckhart Tolle charges for his.

I really don't understand why anyone in the world would still be under the illusion that such information is ever taught for free. Yes there is a lot of free info online, but it's all just snippets and pieces of information.

I would be willing to bet that attending a Steve Pavlina seminar for $400 is worth every penny, even if you've already read all the Free info Steve publishes.

Abundance is our birthright. Joy is our birthright. And, by extension, so is the knowledge of how to claim these things. And anyone who tells you that they are the only one who can give you that knowledge--as long as you're willing to pay the price they set on it--is a liar.

Where exactly did anyone get the idea that Kevin Trudeau ever said that he is the ONLY only one who knows this information?

Henry Ford knew this information. Napoleon Hill knew this information. Bill Gates knows this information. Donald Trump knows this information. Andrew Carnegie Knew this information. The majority of the wealthy elite all over the world know this information. Not just Kevin Trudeau.

All that KT teaches with the "Who do you listen to?" lesson is to listen to people who already HAVE what it is that you desire.

So for example, if I wanted to learn lessons of wisdom on how to run a successful day-time talk-show, I would consider wisdom from someone like "Oprah" more useful than from Michael Jordan, who has never hosted a day-time talk show.

If I wanted to learn wisdom about basketball, I would consider Michael Jordan's wisdom more valuable than Deepak Chopra's.

If I wanted to learn wisdom about Tae Kwon Do, I would seek it from a high level black belt in Tae Kwon Do, not a Yoga instructor.

If I wanted to learn wisdom about how to build a successful Blog I would seek it from someone who has built a successful Blog, not from my uncle who doesn't even know a Blog is.

I mean isn't that just common sense?

The challenge is that when it comes to MANIFESTING WEALTH type information, everyone has an opinion on the topic but very few people have actually built any real worth.

What Kevin Trudeau is saying is that the LOUDEST voices out there talking about how to build wealth have never actually built any. If you want to build wealth, learn it from someone who has actually built it. Find a wealthy mentor.

Don't take wealth-building advice from people whose net worth is -$80,000. Unless your goal in life is to also have a negative net worth.

[momo313]

Paul, the simple fact is that every time you return here to provide some 'value' you're here promoting/selling something.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by impaul99

Absolutely. I am constantly doing that. However, there is a distinction. You have to realize that it is YOU who manifests that money, not a Knight in Shining armor coming to rescue you who manifests it for you.

You have to take 100% responsibility for everything you manifest in your life. That also means stuff like your debts!

I never said anything about a knight in shining armor coming to the rescue. That's not the same thing as manifesting a cashier's check. Why did you turn it into that?

I take 100% responsibility for the debts I accumulated and also for the influx of money that resolves it all, as well as for the easy, relaxed, healthy and positive way it comes about.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by momo313

Paul, the simple fact is that every time you return here to provide some 'value' you're here promoting/selling something.

I came here to share one of the teachings taught in "Your Wish is Your Command" as I have found it tremendously valuable in helping me to increase my ability to manifest the things I want in my life.

I also made an offer to lend a copy of YWIYC for FREE to anyone who's interested.

If you consider that "promoting/selling" then you're absolutely right. I'm here to "promote/sell" information on Intention Manifestation that I have found to be very useful in my life and which I have shared with others who have found it equally useful.

If you're not interested, then just ignore this thread and move on.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I take 100% responsibility for the debts I accumulated and also for the influx of money that resolves it all, as well as for the easy, relaxed, healthy and positive way it comes about.

Awesome! You might think it's a trivial point, but just writing/declaring this statement like you just did reclaims your power in such a huge way.

Also, I got your email and just sent you access to "YWIYC". Let me know if there's any way I can help you with what KT teaches inside. I've done a lot of digging in the last month or so and gotten quite a bit of extra tips from higher level GIN members on how to maximize our results with it.

The first thing I recommend is finding a way to get the audio's on a portable MP3 player of some sort so that you can listen to them away from the computer. I listen to mine while driving my car, washing dishes, going for walks, etc. It's a lot easier to do that then to find "extra" time while sitting in front of a computer to listen to the audios that way, as none of us really have any "extra" time.

Best to utilize time you're already spending doing something else to listen.

[MagicalRealist]

Originally Posted by impaul99

That's exactly why I'm a GIN member. By being a member I get access to exclusive information from some of the most amazing people in the world without paying for each of the workshops individually.

But here's the thing: It's not exclusive. I don't even have to be privy to GIN's offerings to know that. The information they present? It's already available elsewhere.

Trudeau wants you to think its exclusive, so you'll keep forking over $1800 in membership fees a year. But trust me--it's not.

Meaning, GIN hosts hundreds of events that I get FREE access to as a member, so I don't have to pay for each workshop individually.

You do not get FREE access to them--you pay $150 per month, plus a $1500 enrollment fee. On what planet is that FREE?

And how many of those hundreds of events can you possibly take advantage of? How much of that information can you even begin to assimilate and use effectively? There are only so many hours in a day, after all.

(1) The "hidden secrets" to manifesting are shared in the program "Your Wish is Your Command". This program is being offered to you for FREE, not for "thousands of dollars".

I've listened to it. There's not a single "hidden secret" in it. Not one.

And while you may be offering it to people to listen to for FREE, you do have a financial stake in getting them to listen and possibly join the GIN. If they sign up, you get 20% of their $1500 initiation fee. Each person you can convince that Trudeau really has the secret to wealth-creation, and that the GIN is so great? They're potentially worth $300 to you. So yes, I can see why you're so eager to share this FREE resource with them.

And if you really need to make a measly $300 so badly that you'll come over here and shill for Trudeau? That suggests to me that his wealth-building secrets aren't working so well for you.

(2) Kevin Trudeau doesn't claim to be the only one who knows this secret.

No, but he's the one claiming that he's the only one who can provide you access to those "secrets"--for a hefty price.

KT also doesn't claim he came up with any of these secrets. They were taught to him.

Taught to him by "The Brotherhood," right? Do you honestly believe that rubbish? I laughed out loud, listening to him spin that nonsense fable about himself.

(3) There are BILLIONS of dollars every year spent by people attending seminars and workshops and buying all types of courses where people share highly specialized information / knowledge on specific topics to people who are looking for that kind of information.

Steve Pavlina charges what $400-$500 for a workshop? Esther / Abraham charge $$$ for their workshops. Tony Robbins charges for his workshops. Deepak Chopra charges for his. Eckhart Tolle charges for his.

Yes, they do. And I don't have a problem with people making money by packaging information and selling it to those who want it. Whether it's personal development or cookbooks or how to fix my bike, making money by selling information in a usable form is not, in itself, the problem.

But Steve Pavlina has never claimed that he's the only one who can sell me the information I'm seeking because it's all a long-suppressed secret that the elites don't want me to know. I've never seen him write that other teachers are rubbish, and don't really know what they're talking about because they don't live a certain kind of extravagant lifestyle. But I can't say the same for Kevin Trudeau.

Trudeau poses as the one and only guy who can solve your problems and make you wealthy. Oh, sure, other millionaires may know the secret he's got--but he's the only one who can sell it to you, so if you want it you have to get it from him, at whatever price he's charging. And he charges a lot. And if that excruciatingly dull and repetitive 14-CD set is any indication, there is no secret--just some LoA stuff wrapped up in self-aggrandizing BS.

I really don't understand why anyone in the world would still be under the illusion that such information is ever taught for free.

You might really want to stop and think about that statement, and the limiting belief behind it. Such as: "The most useful and valuable information never comes for free." Well, dude, I guess not--not for you, anyway.

I'm under that illusion because I know firsthand that it is available for free, and that what I need to know will come to me as I need to know it. It comes in a variety of ways--online, in books, from people I meet in real life, as a voice in my head, etc.

That's because I-M doesn't just work for money, cars, and blue feathers. Have you ever considered that you can manifest information as well?

And if you can't manifest information, freely given, then how do you expect to manifest a fortune?

I would be willing to bet that attending a Steve Pavlina seminar for $400 is worth every penny, even if you've already read all the Free info Steve publishes.

For people who want that kind of experience, I imagine it is. But until Steve starts claiming that you can't receive access to the secret information that is the true key to success unless you attend the seminars, and positions himself as the one and only I-M teacher who has it right, comparing him to Trudeau doesn't hold water.

Where exactly did anyone get the idea that Kevin Trudeau ever said that he is the ONLY only one who knows this information?

If anyone said that, it wasn't me. But Trudeau claims he's the only one selling it--that if you want to know the same secret Ford, Gates, Hill, Carnegie, and Trump used to gain great wealth, you have to get it from Trudeau. And that's nonsense.

All that KT teaches with the "Who do you listen to?" lesson is to listen to people who already HAVE what it is that you desire.

Personally, I don't desire having a felony fraud conviction on my record, so I guess it's just as well that I'm not listening to Kevin Trudeau.

As for what I do desire, it's freedom to control how my time is spent and where I put my energies. It's a house all my own in a city and neighborhood of my choosing, and the time and space to make art and read books and travel to look at art exhibits and pretty much do as I damned well please with my days. I also like doing volunteer work, and giving money to certain charities. And guess what? I've got all that. I made it happen. I intended it, and I manifested it. Sure, I might want a nicer house in a quieter part of my current neighborhood in a few years, and more opportunities to travel, but I fully expect I'll get that when the time comes.

I already know multi-millionaires who have multiple homes, exotic cars, private planes, and small armies of staff to take care of all of it. And while that stuff can be fun to experience every now and again (especially private planes), I honestly don't want any of it (not even a private plane!). So Kevin Trudeau's marker for what constitutes "success" strikes me as meaningless. He wouldn't see me as a "success," but that's his failure, not mine.

So for example, if I wanted to learn lessons of wisdom on how to run a successful day-time talk-show, I would consider wisdom from someone like "Oprah" more useful than from Michael Jordan, who has never hosted a day-time talk show.

And if I wanted to learn about how to get busted for fraud--or how to weasel my way out of future fraud charges by selling recycled information rather than bogus products--I should talk to Kevin Trudeau instead of, say, Steve Pavlina? Right, then!

I mean isn't that just common sense?

Not buying into an elaborate marketing scheme by someone who is a known liar and fraud is common sense, too.

Don't take wealth-building advice from people whose net worth is -$80,000.

Oh, good! That means you can take wealth-building advice from me, because my net worth is quite a lot more than $80,000.

And frankly, my wealth-building advice (and I can safely say folks like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Jeff Bezos, et. al. would agree) comes down pretty hard against throwing money at anyone who tells you that they will let you in on the "secrets" of wealth-building for a price, or that selling their overpriced, overhyped product as part of an MLM scheme is the road to riches. Unless, of course, your goal in life is to also have a negative net worth.

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by MagicalRealist

But here's the thing: It's not exclusive. I don't even have to be privy to GIN's offerings to know that. The information they present? It's already available elsewhere.

And you know this how? You're not a member, therefore you can't see what information we have access to. You're just guessing.

Trudeau wants you to think its exclusive, so you'll keep forking over $1800 in membership fees a year. But trust me--it's not.

Why would I trust you? You're not a GIN Member. You don't know what information is in there. So how can you possibly know if it's exclusive or not?

I've listened to it. There's not a single "hidden secret" in it. Not one.

I found the program very informative and found many new insights I haven't heard anywhere else. Almost everyone I have shared the program with has come back to me with the same feedback.

Maybe you already know everything, so you see no value in it.

And while you may be offering it to people to listen to for FREE, you do have a financial stake in getting them to listen and possibly join the GIN. If they sign up, you get 20% of their $1500 initiation fee. Each person you can convince that Trudeau really has the secret to wealth-creation, and that the GIN is so great? They're potentially worth $300 to you. So yes, I can see why you're so eager to share this FREE resource with them.

And your point is? What's wrong with doing this? People can listen to free info. If they like it and they want to join GIN, of course I would love them to sign up under my team. If they don't want to though, they don't have to.

And if you really need to make a measly $300 so badly that you'll come over here and shill for Trudeau? That suggests to me that his wealth-building secrets aren't working so well for you.

Actually by applying the teachings taught in GIN, I just recently manifested a very large (6, potentially 7 figure) contract for one of my businesses so you're not correct here. I don't "need" to make a $300 commission off anyone. I'm a GIN affiliate because I ENJOY making money doing what I love - which is exposing people to world class information that helps to transform their lives.

And if that excruciatingly dull and repetitive 14-CD set is any indication, there is no secret--just some LoA stuff wrapped up in self-aggrandizing BS.

It's not for everyone. I found it tremendously valuable. You obviously didn't.

And if you can't manifest information, freely given, then how do you expect to manifest a fortune?

So you don't pay for any advice from anyone ever?

You don't pay a tax advisor for tax advice? You just manifest voices in your head telling you tax codes?

You don't pay an attorney for tax advice? You wouldn't pay a martial arts instructor to teach you martial arts?

And frankly, my wealth-building advice (and I can safely say folks like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Larry Ellison, Jeff Bezos, et. al. would agree) comes down pretty hard against throwing money at anyone who tells you that they will let you in on the "secrets" of wealth-building for a price, or that selling their overpriced, overhyped product as part of an MLM scheme is the road to riches. Unless, of course, your goal in life is to also have a negative net worth.

I like how you "can safely say" that Warren Buffet would agree that Network Marketing / MLM companies are "Schemes". Warren Buffet owns a very successful MLM company called Pampered Chef. Many, many other ultra-wealthy people are part of MLM's.

Network Marketing is proving to be one of the most effective business structures in the business world.

"Renowned economist, Paul Zane Pilzer is on record predicting in 2006 that he believes the United States economy will create 10 million new millionaires by 2016. He further states that the fastest growing segments will be Health and Wellness and Network Marketing."

Do you realize that over 400 Billion Dollars worth of products and services worldwide are sold through Network Marketing companies? And that's even with people like you running around calling them "schemes".

[jak3b]

The last pitiful dying embers of "The Secret" era dressed up as a used car salesman ZZZzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzz

[momo313]

Originally Posted by jak3b

The last pitiful dying embers of "The Secret" era dressed up as a used car salesman ZZZzzzzzz Zzzzzzzzzz

Indeed. Now that the forums are closing paul can take his B.S. nonsense elsewhere.

[Seahorse]

Originally Posted by momo313

Indeed. Now that the forums are closing paul can take his B.S. nonsense elsewhere.

Thank God! I pity those that'll have to keep listening to his rambling and hardcore sales pitches!

[Debo]

You know we all like to get excited and pass on what works for us, but the hard sell will always show thru, it always has a sense of `this is the only way`.

its like the 60`s when we where encouraged to buy encyclopedias, the don`t miss out and all that BS

Sorry Paul I`m not deliberately trying to put you down, but I would seriously look back at your posts and re read to see why ppl are very wary of you

Debo

[impaul99]

Originally Posted by Debo

You know we all like to get excited and pass on what works for us, but the hard sell will always show thru, it always has a sense of `this is the only way`.

its like the 60`s when we where encouraged to buy encyclopedias, the don`t miss out and all that BS

Sorry Paul I`m not deliberately trying to put you down, but I would seriously look back at your posts and re read to see why ppl are very wary of you

Debo

I don't listen to those people. It doesn't fit the "Who do you listen to?" rule. If a multi-millionaire tells me I'm "hard selling" then I will listen to it. Otherwise, I don't care as I don't take advice from people who haven't achieved what I want to achieve.

That doesn't mean they are bad people or that I consider them any "higher" or "lower" than me. It simply just means if they haven't achieved that which I want to achieve, then I don't listen to their advice.

I also don't listen to my Mom's and Dad's advice when it comes to business, making money, building wealth etc. as they have no idea what they're talking about in that area of life. If I wanted advice on raising kids though, I'd call my Mom for advice no problem.

See my point?