Just some thoughts...and a question

[mindzer0]

Thoughts create reality, yes?

good, glad we all agree on that. However, i've been reading the forums alot and i'm finding that i dont agree with alot of the views here...i'll address a couple of them now.

first, the idea that you must remove limiting beliefs b4 you can 'manifest' something is odd to me on the grounds that if thought is the single most creative force in the universe...that means one thought can create another thought. So isnt it logical to say that thinking that you have limiting beliefs actually 'creates' them, and that trying to remove them actually multiplies and reinforces them? wouldn't it make more sense act and think as if you had no 'limiting beliefs' until they were gone; like pouring a clean water into a glass full of dirty water?

next is this concept of 'hard work' that ppl seem to throw around so much. am i missing something? i dont really understand why so many ppl who become aware of the affect their thoughts have on their existence still cling to the idea of 'blood, sweat, and toil' as if it were still the only way acheive anything. I MEAN COME ON!!! how many of us know some one who 'succeeds', for the most part, effortlessly? these are the true masters of their thoughts IMO, because their environment works for them...not vice versa. i hear alot of ppl talkin about how we've all been programed a certain way in regards to moeny or whatever all our lives.... but doesnt this also apply to this slavish devotion to 'effort'?

now the question:

give me your thoughts. everyone says to focus on what you want and then ideas and what not will come to you to help you further move in the direction of whatever it is you want.

thats great.

they also tell you that you can't force this process...

that sounds like an opinion to me, and as far as i can tell, there are no real experts in the feild of intention-manifestation, and alot of what the 'teachers' say seemes to have the taint of social programming and limitation.

now i'm not tryin to force anything, i just want to see what would happend if i focused my mind on one particular thought/emotion for the majortiy of the day for, say, about a week. this is sure to have some kinda of affect right? Especially when combined with gratitude, love, auto-suggestion, and optimism right?

the reason i ask is afew years ago when i first got into this stuff, i heard of a woman who basically put herself through a crash course in LOA, changing her thought patterns deliberately for a week and absorbing the material on the subject. she said that by the end of the week she felt very ill and was vomiting but afterwards felt fine, great even.

my schedule allows me the freedom to pursue something this, i just wanted to know what others may think of it.

so, what do ya think? Ideas, suggestions, different points of view? All are welcome.

P.S. Sorry if something similar to this was posted elsewhere

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by mindzer0

they also tell you that you can't force this process...

that sounds like an opinion to me, and as far as i can tell, there are no real experts in the feild of intention-manifestation, and alot of what the 'teachers' say seemes to have the taint of social programming and limitation.

If you can do a shorterned version of the process, I say more power to you.

[Max Power]

I think once a choice is made and thoughts back it up, there is no way something can't manifest. A choice is like a super powerful thought that is primary, fundamental, cannot be broken or changed, or at least is difficult to change.

Choice->Belief->Thought->Reality

The point of your life is to gain better control over it, not so much from an ego POV, but from a awareness/consciousness POV. Imagine a video game where you start off and you're not very good. As you play longer you get better, level after level, you skill increases, but eventually you get so good it's boring or not challenging any more.

Now imagine physical reality (your life ) is the same, but it never gets boring, you never achieve total dominance over it, because that would be boring and unchallenging and life is designed to be the best game ever until you croak.

Unfortunately by the time you realise that you can change much of your life by thought and choice, you've had many years of social brainwashing. The idea that to get money and lots of it requires hard work is a very unfunny joke. I delivered a package once and made $1000 cash (no it wasn't illegal, I had to make some phone calls as well) but I felt guilty because I had been programmed to believe that money is hard to make, it involves hard work.

Many people make millions doing very little (hard work wise) and they are looked upon as crooked or undeserving, but they don't feel that way. To make a lot of money quickly and easily I think you have to change not just the belief that you can do it, bu you need to change the belief that it would be hard.

Why should it be hard? Because social brainwashing, social conditioning tells us so. I don't think removing limiting beliefs is the correct method. You don't remove anything, what you do is rewrite new beliefs over the top of the old ones. Choose to believe something else is true. Much of our lives is spent in denial. Denial about who we are, what we can do and what we believe, like someone saying 'you can't force the process' that's more brainwashing, you are the process. We can mainfest things all the time (we just deny creatorship daily) who is the person who says you can't fast track the process?? It's not like these gurus who tell us stuff have the instruction manual to life and dish out instructions that we must follow.

If we can admit that we manifest everything all day long, then nothing is impossible. If we can cast aside social conditioning and surround ourselves with what we want and the belief it's ours and easy to have, then who's to say otherwise? It's also about taking full responsibility for your life, you can give up control but never responsibility, you can be victim or creator, most people choose victim. Most people don't want to be responsible, it's not their fault, it's the government, my neighbor, that jerk at work. I think if you take more responsibility for everything, you can see how everything in your life is of your creation, even the crap stuff and we need the crap stuff to see and appreciate the great stuff.

I had a dream last night, I was in it, but so were familar people, strangers and weird, cool, fun, interesting emotional things happened. Different places, different settings, even some super powers. I was there in first person and also as an observer. It was completely crazy, fun and seemingly very real. When I woke up, I asked myself who created all that?? and the only answer I could honestly find that felt right, was that I created it. I was the dreamer, I was the creator.

Why should my physical reality be any different, why should your physical reality be any different.

Power to the Max

[vfrrick]

I am glad to hear that someone besides me think the same way. All this about hard work, you don't get something because the universe decides it is not right for you yet and so forth is totally against the loa. I know that the loa is real, even though I have only been studying it for a short time from a universal law point of view. I know that I have had many occurances that were from the law most up until now were negative. But when I was younger and did not know any limits I used the loa to my advantage all the time. People would say things like is there any thing you can't do or how do get so lucky. When I got older and society (bankers, politicians, ect) would tell me you can't do that unless you do it this or that way or you can't do that at all. All of this started to affect my thoughts and that is how I got to where I am today.

As far a force the process I think the force part comes from us. I will give a short example of something that happened to me Saturday night before last.

My wife and a friend went to the local Cigar bar to watch the De Lahoya fight. I took my expensive Calibri lighter with me. This thing has not worked right since I bought it, but I charge it up and it was working fine when I left the house with it. As the bar began to fill we had lit our cigars and was enjoying ourselves. My cirgar went out as I got cought up in conversation and guess what the light did not work. I banged it on the table to no avail. The man sitting behind me handed me a Zippo. I used it and thankfully gave it back to him. When I was using it I thought "I should get one of these". An half hour or so cigar out agian. Again the man saw me fiddling with my light and handed me his again. This time as I am using it I thought "I am going to get me this lighter". Lit my cigar and handed it back to the man. He tookd the light and looked kind of strange and handed it back and said it is yours. I told him I could not possibly take his light and he absolutly insited. I accepted his gift and told him how much I appreciated it. Once or twice during the night he ask to borrow my lighter. Eveytime I ask if he wanted it back. Answer was always no. At the end of the night we shook hands and I put the light in my palm and tried to pass it to him during the hand shake and again he insisted that it was my lighter.

So that was a long story but the difference was that once I thought I should or could get a light like that and the second is that I was going to get a lighter like that. And in my mind Soon. I never thought that I wised he would give it to me just that I was going to get one like it.

Anyway that is part of my story.

[infinitethoughts]

Originally Posted by Max Power

You don't remove anything, what you do is rewrite new beliefs over the top of the old ones.

Right.
This would be the only place where 'it taking time' would be a factor.
Depends on how much 'status quo' your physical brain has to overcome.

[infinitethoughts]

vfrrick

I enjoyed your story, being a fellow cigar smoker.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by mindzer0

next is this concept of 'hard work' that ppl seem to throw around so much. am i missing something? i dont really understand why so many ppl who become aware of the affect their thoughts have on their existence still cling to the idea of 'blood, sweat, and toil' as if it were still the only way acheive anything. I MEAN COME ON!!! how many of us know some one who 'succeeds', for the most part, effortlessly? these are the true masters of their thoughts IMO, because their environment works for them...not vice versa. i hear alot of ppl talkin about how we've all been programed a certain way in regards to moeny or whatever all our lives.... but doesnt this also apply to this slavish devotion to 'effort'?

It is my understanding and belief that this concept of "Toil" and "Struggle" is the curse of perception.

If we function from the base perception of cause & effect in time, than this is true for us.

If we function from knowledge and the awareness that the effect in this realm is in fact the cause and time doesn't really exist - then toil and strife no longer hold a place in our belief system.

[vfrrick]

Time exsit to the point that we beleive it does and to the point that exist in the physical world. Things can happen as fast as physically possible as long as the mind does not impead it. Any long delay in time is due to the factor of the mind. Anyway I beleive it is something like that.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by vfrrick

Time exsit to the point that we beleive it does and to the point that exist in the physical world. Things can happen as fast as physically possible as long as the mind does not impead it. Any long delay in time is due to the factor of the mind. Anyway I beleive it is something like that.

Good comment! The issue of time. We believe a million dollars takes a long time to manifest so it does. What if we could change our fundamental belief about the time it could take, would that manifest it quickly??

But here's the rub. We have been living so long with perception of time (how long it takes to make money, find a partner, get a promotion) that it's a very strong fundamental belief and they are the hardest to change.

Steve said that intentions manifest instantly, regardless of what they are, but we assign a specific length of time to the manifestation inline with our social conditioning, what we expect in this physical reality to be an acceptable amount of time.

Maybe you could manifest $1M in 7 days or less if you could rewrite all your beliefs concerning time and social conditioning. I think once we start playing with instant manifestation and time, we start of down the road to either discovering true God powers, realising it was all pointless and/or a quick trip to the nuthouse

Max

[torilink]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Good comment! The issue of time. We believe a million dollars takes a long time to manifest so it does. What if we could change our fundamental belief about the time it could take, would that manifest it quickly??

But here's the rub. We have been living so long with perception of time (how long it takes to make money, find a partner, get a promotion) that it's a very strong fundamental belief and they are the hardest to change.

Steve said that intentions manifest instantly, regardless of what they are, but we assign a specific length of time to the manifestation inline with our social conditioning, what we expect in this physical reality to be an acceptable amount of time.

Maybe you could manifest $1M in 7 days or less if you could rewrite all your beliefs concerning time and social conditioning. I think once we start playing with instant manifestation and time, we start of down the road to either discovering true God powers, realising it was all pointless and/or a quick trip to the nuthouse

Max

When I am sending out an intention that has the potential to be blocked by my condtioned belief in time, I remind myself time doesn't really exist - I visualize the NOW as similar to when you toss a rock into water and the vibration ring which goes out....

My thoughts are the rock, NOW is the center of that vibratory ring, and my thought vibrations at this very moment vibrate out across "Time" and things change or rearrange in accordance with my currant desire. It is like a huge wave of thought extends in every direction in space and time and touches everything - this "Ripple" rearranges the now and future to manifest my desire.

Everything extends out from the currant moment - not in the linear cause and effect fashion I've been taught it is.

It is a difficult belief to change permanetly, but this type of exercise and visualization help me overcome the perception that time and THE PAST really mean anything.