Things fall apart?

[Moriarty]

Having said that...her single focus was to snag herself a rich husband and she did...implants, bleached hair and all. LOL Regardless of her past or other issues, she was able to bury them completely and single-mindedly go about actioning her plan. It's like when a thief is drawing up a plan to rob a bank. He's not thinking about how nice the sun is, or that he has to go to work tomorrow, or that he has to fix that leaky tap. He's totally focused on everything that will get him his millions for free.

[Zenn]

^^^^Morality aside, physically robbing a bank is high risk hard work, not getting money for free and often not worth the effort.

[Moriarty]

Originally Posted by Zenn

^^^^Morality aside, physically robbing a bank is high risk hard work, not getting money for free and often not worth the effort.

You betcha! ...just an example of focusing is all...

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Zenn

You do not have to concern yourself with whether or not the banks are evil. Your concern is getting your situation resolved. Banks may be impersonal or even evil insitutions, but you only need to deal with one right person at the right time, or maybe a convenient computer glitch.

And dealing with one right person at the right time was pretty much how it got resolved last time.

Unfortunately also that you let the bad experience with another bank get generalized and you transfer the bad feelings and image to the one you were dealing with about the mortgage.

The bad experience with another bank came after this whole mortgage crisis thing. I don't remember anymore how I felt about this particular bank at that time, beforehand.

So "the bank", really it was just a person on the phone, announced foreclosure in 2008 but the fact is nothing happened and you're still living in the house all this time. Stay in the moment and you should be enjoying and appreciating the reality and your home, instead of having your energy drained and your mind occupied by maybe the 5 minutes on the phone three years ago.

But my point is . . . here it is, 2011, and I'm about to be back in that situation all over again. Because I haven't been able to make up the back payments, and now I'm making less money than I had been for the past two+ years, and they are coming down pretty heavy at this point. That's partly what this thread is about. From an I/M / LoA standpoint, I don't get it, why things seem to be falling apart.

The bank may be evil and they may intend badly, but the reality has been that you've had a home which shelters you and provides you with much comfort. That's a successful manifestation if you ask me. Be grateful and manifest even better situation with confidence, knowing even your half hearted intention gets manifested. Acknowledge your power and wield it!

It was a successful manifestation, but now it seems to be crumbling. I thought I was becoming successful at manifesting money, but now I wonder, as I'm sitting here in one room with a space heater and no propane and a house that needs rewiring and the mortgage company calling every 10 minutes.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

From an I/M / LoA standpoint, I don't get it, why things seem to be falling apart.

Seriously?

I have thought and thought and thought so much about all this over the years and analyzed it up and down and sideways and no matter what . . . things fall apart.

How could it be any other way? You're vibrating in perfect alignment with things falling apart, and you have been for years.

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

And dealing with one right person at the right time was pretty much how it got resolved last time.

You could have learned from that positive experience to strengthen your belief.

The bad experience with another bank came after this whole mortgage crisis thing. I don't remember anymore how I felt about this particular bank at that time, beforehand.

Yet you remember to add that to your complaints about banks. The experience reinforced your negative image of banks, understandable but not beneficial to your situation. The more negative you believe they are, the more they will act to fit your belief. You don't need such escalation. As I said, nothing else about this and any other bank matters, only the resolution of your situation, which is what you should focus on with positive energy.

But my point is . . . here it is, 2011, and I'm about to be back in that situation all over again. Because I haven't been able to make up the back payments, and now I'm making less money than I had been for the past two+ years, and they are coming down pretty heavy at this point. That's partly what this thread is about. From an I/M / LoA standpoint, I don't get it, why things seem to be falling apart.

You talk of the failure of your action and then blame the outcome as the failure of LOA. You practiced action, your decided way of dealing with the situation. You didn't use LOA to intentionally manifest an outcome to your clear desire. Honestly look at where your focus and energy has been all these years when you were blessed with a home supposedly foreclosed. You were given 3 years to resolve this and it has not been used effectively.

It was a successful manifestation, but now it seems to be crumbling. I thought I was becoming successful at manifesting money, but now I wonder, as I'm sitting here in one room with a space heater and no propane and a house that needs rewiring and the mortgage company calling every 10 minutes.

Stop complaining about the current situation as that will make it worse. There is no telling what it may lead to and you are the one to decide on the future outcomes. It is what it is, not positive or negative. Accept it, analyze the options, make clear your intention and hold fast to it. Everything starts from NOW. Clear your head to be receptive of inspirations, opportunities, good luck, and any beneficial serendipities.

Are you more interested in defending and reinforce your complaints about LOA or is it more important that you understand more about and learn to to more effectively utilize it? Either way, you will succeed in your choice.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

How could it be any other way? You're vibrating in perfect alignment with things falling apart, and you have been for years.

How can it be that I vibrate in perfect alignment with things falling apart if I was able to create a significant shift in things coming together beforehand?

How do I make that shift in alignment on a more permanent level? Or do I know all this stuff already?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Zenn

Stop complaining about the current situation as that will make it worse. There is no telling what it may lead to and you are the one to decide on the future outcomes. It is what it is, not positive or negative. Accept it, analyze the options, make clear your intention and hold fast to it. Everything starts from NOW. Clear your head to be receptive of inspirations, opportunities, good luck, and any beneficial serendipities.

Okay.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

How can it be that I vibrate in perfect alignment with things falling apart if I was able to create a significant shift in things coming together beforehand?

How do I make that shift in alignment on a more permanent level? Or do I know all this stuff already?

In order for things to fall apart, don't they have to come together sometimes? It's kind of the other side of the coin of me messing up my shoe closet so that I can organize it; you bring things together so that you can create them falling apart. Not consciously, of course, and that's not the only reason -- you're also a highly creative power who enjoys having things work well. But your background reality is: "Things fall apart," so it would be really weird if they didn't -- it would occur for you as being unreal if things didn't fall apart.

One thing I think is really useful for shifting is bringing your personal creative power to your conscious awareness. Noticing, as I mentioned earlier, how you are at cause, by dint of both your conscious and unconscious choices, for the results you have right now. Because when you see your creation by light of day -- when you see it for what it really is, the culmination of your conscious and unconscious choices, what tends to show up is new choice, freedom, and opportunity.

Have you ever known a little kid who was afraid of monsters at night? There was a little boy who woke up in the dark in the middle of the night, and was terrified to see a horrible monster sitting in his chair across the room, howling! Ack! He screamed for his mother, and she came rushing in and turned on the light to see what was the matter. When he pointed to show his mom the monster, they both saw that what was really in the chair was his clothes from the day before, carelessly flung over the chair, and the wind blowing through the trees outside. He had a new way of seeing and hearing. If he squinted his eyes and pretended it was dark, he could associate back into the perspective that it was really a monster -- if he wanted to or if he forgot that he had a choice in the matter.

Later on that night, after the lights were out and mom had gone back to bed, stuff happened: the wind howled, or his brother tried to freak him out by telling him it really WAS a monster. And the boy now had a choice: he could shift his perspective and perhaps examine that evidence for truth, or he could just believe what his brother said or his old, outdated beliefs. A big brother's stories can be pretty convincing, and so can old outdated beliefs, so it took him some practice and a little bit of vigilance to notice when he was being hornswoggled by them, and to take on consciously being present to the opportunity to choose ways of looking that are empowering to him.

[lycan]

Originally Posted by Zenn

^^^^Morality aside, physically robbing a bank is high risk hard work, not getting money for free and often not worth the effort.

It's probably really fun.

[Reefs]

Stop posting about it. Then stop talking about it to others. Then stop talking about it to yourself. Then stop analyzing it. Change your daily routine.

Maybe you should even stop being a mod for while because that mod job might scatter your focus too much.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Stop posting about it. Then stop talking about it to others.

This is the first time I've posted about it in ages, and I have seldom talked about it to others either. After I posted here the other day, I felt so much bottled-up crap coming out on the board, it was quite a relief.

Actually, some of this stuff I never told anyone until I posted it here the other day. Plenty of people I know IRL can easily find me through my username here, and I didn't want them to know all this embarrassing junk. It came to a point where I was so overwhelmed I didn't even care anymore.

Change your daily routine.

This, I do agree, is something that would help. I don't even know how to begin.

Zenn said, "You practiced action, your decided way of dealing with this." In contrast, moriarty said when people believe they have a safety net, they may act in detrimental ways to their goals because they believe they have a safety net.

I'm not sure how I could have not practiced action. I have been one of the people here who step in when everyone's proclaiming that action = LoA, and say "not always." But -- when I was over my head -- I chose to work 10 or 12 hours a day most days per week, and if I would have worked, say 7 or 8 five days per week, and then things fell apart, we'd maybe be saying it's because I didn't do enough action.

Maybe you should even stop being a mod for while because that mod job might scatter your focus too much.

What else am I supposed to stop because it might scatter my focus too much?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

After I posted here the other day, I felt so much bottled-up crap coming out on the board, it was quite a relief.

Then it's fine. And time to move on!

This, I do agree, is something that would help. I don't even know how to begin.

Zenn said, "You practiced action, your decided way of dealing with this." In contrast, moriarty said when people believe they have a safety net, they may act in detrimental ways to their goals because they believe they have a safety net.

I'm not sure how I could have not practiced action. I have been one of the people here who step in when everyone's proclaiming that action = LoA, and say "not always." But -- when I was over my head -- I chose to work 10 or 12 hours a day most days per week, and if I would have worked, say 7 or 8 five days per week, and then things fell apart, we'd maybe be saying it's because I didn't do enough action.

It's not about how much you act, it's all about how powerful your action is. It's about leverage. Some people earn millions within hours, others only cents. The first group uses leverage, the second group does not use leverage.

Was your action joyous or was it out of commitment?

What else am I supposed to stop because it might scatter my focus too much?

TV.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Was your action joyous or was it out of commitment?

Mostly not so joyous.

[Angela]

That's weird -- I posted a post here earlier and it showed up, but now it's gone. Was it deleted for some reason? I can't imagine how it would have been offensive to anyone.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Angela

That's weird -- I posted a post here earlier and it showed up, but now it's gone. Was it deleted for some reason? I can't imagine how it would have been offensive to anyone.

I don't see any posts from you in this thread, deleted or not, since yesterday at 12:32 PM. Forum glitch?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

I don't see any posts from you in this thread, deleted or not, since yesterday at 12:32 PM. Forum glitch?

I guess so! Or maybe we manifested it falling apart!

[moonrambler]

Well, put it back! Pretend it's your shoe closet!

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Well, put it back! Pretend it's your shoe closet!

You made me laugh out loud.

Let's see.. I was wondering about why you wanted to use an LoA/IM perspective in this matter.... for what purpose? It seems like you're creating "things fall apart" even inside LoA/IM -- like you like the perspective and are attracted to it and sense that it's valuable, and yet when you really start practicing it, it falls apart.

In what area of your life DON'T things fall apart, or things falling apart doesn't present a problem?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

You made me laugh out loud.

Let's see.. I was wondering about why you wanted to use an LoA/IM perspective in this matter.... for what purpose? It seems like you're creating "things fall apart" even inside LoA/IM -- like you like the perspective and are attracted to it and sense that it's valuable, and yet when you really start practicing it, it falls apart.

I wanted to use that perspective because it seemed like that perspective helped turn my finances around. You know I don't really go for the "Law" of "Attraction" concept as stated, although maybe it's semantics. I tend to think of it as a method of creation. But I'm willing to play with the LoA stuff too, like vibrating with a frequency of abundance and all that.

There seems to be some unpleasant gunk connected with all this. I'm not sure I create Things Fall Apart because I believe Things Fall Apart, but maybe I get something else out of it. Like -- this issue with the mortgage company -- I really don't want to have so much chaos in my life just to "stick it" to the bank, yet I listened to myself talk about about it and I know there's some vengeful glee going on there.

I also feel icky about this sense of entitlement I seem to have, that when I make things fall apart, somebody will bail me out. I'm actually amazed how many people continue to step up and bail me out of this or that. Like Neighbor Buddy and everything he did around here last week. And I don't tend to reciprocate on an even level. He called this morning and said he was going to town and wanted to know if I needed anything. I said I need a bag of ice for the fridge. So he brought that over and hung around for awhile, and when he was about to leave, it crossed my mind that he probably wouldn't care if I didn't pay him for the ice, and then I thought to myself, "What is WRONG with you?"

So to answer your question about what aspects don't fall apart -- well, most don't fall apart. I have a lot of very long-standing close relationships with people, for instance. I'm driving a car with nearly 300K miles on it. Even professionally, I've accomplished a great deal in a relatively short time and built upon what I've done previously.

It's the money situation (once again) and because of that, the house, where things are falling apart.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

So to answer your question about what aspects don't fall apart -- well, most don't fall apart. I have a lot of very long-standing close relationships with people, for instance. I'm driving a car with nearly 300K miles on it. Even professionally, I've accomplished a great deal in a relatively short time and built upon what I've done previously.

It's the money situation (once again) and because of that, the house, where things are falling apart.

What's the difference, do you think? What are you doing or being differently around money than in your relationships with people, your car, and your professional accomplishments?

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

What's the difference, do you think? What are you doing or being differently around money than in your relationships with people, your car, and your professional accomplishments?

I don't know. I was thinking something would come to me over the afternoon, but this is turning into a hard question.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I don't know. I was thinking something would come to me over the afternoon, but this is turning into a hard question.

Well, maybe it's just one of those things that, if you let it percolate, it'll just come together.

[moonrambler]

I kept wanting to change the question, but that's probably because I have answers to other questions. So I thought maybe I'd sit with this particular question.

I'm having difficulty conceptualizing money as similar to another entity. Say, "friends." I see numerous threads on this forum where people say they have trouble making friends, and even when others give them advice, they say they already do all that and they are stumped. It can be a bit hard when I'm not right there watching what they do to understand why they can't make friends. I think about when I was a young teenager and had trouble making friends, how did I learn how to do that? What did I learn to do and be?

What am I doing and being around people that makes them like being friends with me, and what am I doing and being around money that makes it scarce for me?

[Angela]

Would you like to try a perspective shifting exercise? It may give you a different point of view that could stimulate insight.....

Just relax and close your eyes, and take a couple of nice, big, deep breaths. Using your active imagination, float up above your body in your mind's eye, being sure to look through your own "eyes", asking your unconscious mind to take you high enough to give you an abundance of learnings in the matter of your relationship to money. Then ask your unconscious mind to get those learnings that will give you new power, joy, and effectiveness. Go up higher, if you need to, or ask your unconscious mind to take you back into the past, staying high up above your body, looking down. Go back and watch yourself as a child with your family... what's happening with money there? If you want to, you can go back even further... back a generation or two, or a past life or two, and ask your unconscious mind to take you to the point that will benefit you most.

[newkaren]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I kept wanting to change the question, but that's probably because I have answers to other questions. So I thought maybe I'd sit with this particular question.

I went to my sisters house for Thanksgiving in WA state. I have been working at this IM thing for the past few months. I am becoming very aware of how much I do IM. There were so very many things that I just knew would come to pass. They wern't all good, but an can't say any were really bad. Nothing happened that matters today.

Okay, I'm excited. As crazy as this sounds, becoming aware is the first step in figuring out how to control something.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

Would you like to try a perspective shifting exercise? It may give you a different point of view that could stimulate insight.....

Y'know what, we went through a lot of this way back when here, and I was able to get a lot of insight . . . there were attitudes that I was aware of, but other stuff I had basically forgotten about. My mom had a obsessive thriftiness that I figure was due to her being a kid during the Great Depression, and she acted a lot like we didn't have any money, even though things were comfortable. They never had any debt except for the house, but I managed to start racking up debt by the time I was in my early 20s. I remember thinking they were so wack to be so totally against credit that we had to appear so much less well-off than any of the neighbors who all worked at the same place.

But . . . all the insight I get from looking at my upbringing and family views about money have not freed me from the roller coaster.

I was thinking again about "being and doing" about money. I was thinking about how I consider trying to weasel out of paying for $1.49 worth of ice, and how there's always a sense of urgency about money. Right now, for instance, with the latest income drop, I could spend a month building up something else, but in the meantime, there's no heat in most of the house, and it's like 45 degrees outside, and falling, and that scares me. So there's a sense of urgency that I have to make more money NOW. That sense of urgency has been with me practically all the time for years, and it is making me very tired.

It feels like I am practically always in crisis mode. I get one thing solved but then the next thing looms up, over and over. And these shouldn't be crisis things. Like the car registration shouldn't be a crisis.

It also leads me to act stingy all the time ($1.49 worth of ice). I go out to dinner with friends and I sit there and try and calculate what each of us owes on the tip down to the last dime (which is something my mom would have done).

I was trying to compare this with areas of my life where Things typically don't Fall Apart. Like I'm stingy with money because there's never enough, but I don't feel like there's a scarcity of friendship. It would be like not wanting to spend too much time with one friend because there's a scarcity of that friendship and you don't want to use it all up.

[Angela]

So, it sounds like a couple of the things that you do in other areas of your life that you don't do around money are: relaxing, and trusting. Right?

[newkaren]

Originally Posted by Angela

So, it sounds like a couple of the things that you do in other areas of your life that you don't do around money are: relaxing, and trusting. Right?

WOW! I don't know about moonrambler, but newkaren needed to read that.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Angela

So, it sounds like a couple of the things that you do in other areas of your life that you don't do around money are: relaxing, and trusting. Right?

Relaxing and trusting now, sure. But back as a young teenager, with hardly anyone wanting to be friends with me and no boys wanting anything to do with me, I wasn't relaxing and trusting. I was bummed enough to almost be suicidal for awhile. It's easy to be relaxing and trusting when the wolf isn't at the door.

I know that to actually learn how to be friends with a wider circle of people, and to get boys interested in me, I had to at least FAKE being relaxed and confident, even if inside I was totally freaking out.