The universe may well know what's best

[Sponge]

So my next IM didn't work. I wanted to sell our home at auction so visualized, then relaxed and let go. It went the other way, we actually got no bids. I went to see my Reiki lady beforehand who is very intuitive and she seemed to know the house wasn't selling and added that 'I should be looking in another direction'. I.e not move area. She felt quite strongly about telling me this. Can't help thinking that no matter how much you may try to manifest something it won't always happen. Am not disappointed, although this now requires a MAJOR rethink (kids schools etc), I have not been able to manifest other things either but I am realizing more and more I need to just accept things as they are. My message then: If your manifestations/desires don't work out, take heart in the fact that it may be for your greater good.

[Zenn]

You were probably not the only one with intentions for the house, right? Others involved have their own intentions, conscious and unconcious, as do you.

I think it's usually best to intend the results and the feelings you wish, not the conjured ways and means to achieve them, which selling the house is. Always intend for the highest good of all concerned, or, IOW, for the most benevolent outcome. Otherwise, as an example, you may sell the house but not get what you really wish in selling it, as well as incurring unintended consequence. Yes, the Universe knows best, if you let it take charge for the best result.

[Million Dollar Man]

Yes I suppose you are right, since the Universe is the one that reflects the law of attraction
back upon us. And it is a very interesting thing to say the least.

[Sponge]

Yes you're right Zenn. I must remember to concentrate on the feeling more and leave the rest up to God. We went through not being able to sell it last year and in hindsight that turned out to be a really good thing. I just found what my Reiki lady said so interesting. I can't help
wonder why we're not meant to move area? It's been our plan for so long and now she's put it in my head that it might not be right, I don't really know now what to do. And it's now put doubt in my mind which doesn't help
with Loa right?

[Zenn]

Why do you want to move area? Is moving a way you have deviced to attain certain outcomes and feelings? Focus on the outcomes and feelings themselves. You may be able to achieve them without moving, and you may move without having to sell the house. Maybe there are better arrangements and scenarios in store for you. Open your mind and your heart to possibilities and blessings.

Micro managing the omnipotent Manager is a bad and unwise habit.

[Sponge]

Thanks zenn I needed to hear that. I guess in a way I'm hoping for better things, I realise I need to address it.

[lycan]

Consider this thought.

The "Universe" has no conception of "best". Only you can define what best is. God being all love is entirely neutral with regards to everything. God loves war as much as peace, depression as much as euphoria.

If what you did didn't work, you just did it wrong.

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by lycan

Consider this thought.

The "Universe" has no conception of "best". Only you can define what best is. God being all love is entirely neutral with regards to everything. God loves war as much as peace, depression as much as euphoria.

If what you did didn't work, you just did it wrong.

But you can impart the concept of "best" to the Universe. That is why it's important to include the specification of highest good or most benevolent outcome. You want a certain outcome but you don't know how to go about it or have very limited ideas or ways to accomplish it whereas the Universe knows infinite ways to bring it about. You just want to be sure that both the outcome and the manner it's manifested suit you well, excluding undesirable side effects and negative unintended consequences. The Universe does know what is best for you - you just have to request for it. But if you make a stupid request, then you get the stupid outcome you ask for.

[Moriarty]

There's this thing about LOA. All our mind work can go down the googler fast if there's even one minor discrepancy gone un-noticed.

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by Moriarty

There's this thing about LOA. All our mind work can go down the googler fast if there's even one minor discrepancy gone un-noticed.

You make it seem as if the Universe is vigilantly trying to trip you up by catching any careless let up on your part.

It's the total of your own intentions and energy that determines the manifestation. You likely cancel out most of your intentions yourself, which is fortunate sometimes. I wrote in another post that it's a good thing that manifestations usually take some time, else your life, and the world, would be in total chaos with all the irrational, reactioanary, and impromtu wishes instantly realized.

All you have to do is send off your intentions with faith, including faith in the Universe understanding your goodwill in the intentions. You do that by expressing your desires to exclude non benevolent means of manifestation. Beware of your purposeful malevolant intent.

[Sponge]

Originally Posted by Zenn

You make it seem as if the Universe is vigilantly trying to trip you up by catching any careless let up on your part.

It's the total of your own intentions and energy that determines the manifestation. You likely cancel out most of your intentions yourself, which is fortunate sometimes. I wrote in another post that it's a good thing that manifestations usually take some time, else your life, and the world, would be in total chaos with all the irrational, reactioanary, and impromtu wishes instantly realized.

All you have to do is send off your intentions with faith, including faith in the Universe understanding your goodwill in the intentions. You do that by expressing your desires to exclude non benevolent means of manifestation. Beware of your purposeful malevolant intent.

Well in fairness, I understand what Moriarty is saying, it is pretty clear that walking around affirming the positive, visualizing, having faith doesn't always work. And the reasons why are not always clear. In fact, it leads to feelings of disappointment, frustration..and the worse one, 'how come I can't manifest? when many members on this forum appear to do so effortlessly?' You may also be given a few different reasons as to why from different members.
Ok I understand that you should intend the most benevolent outcome, so when it doesn't manifest you can say 'ok well that obviously wasn't the most benevolent outcome'. But many cynics would have a pretty good argument, Intentional manifestation either works or it doesn't.

[lycan]

Originally Posted by Sponge

But many cynics would have a pretty good argument, Intentional manifestation either works or it doesn't.

Intentional manifestation either works or it doesn't. You are either free or in bondage. Countless people manifest "malevolent" outcomes, all the time. They also manifest "benevolent" outcomes through "malevolent" means. The "Universe" as such clearly has no sense of values.

Here is a nice way of thinking of this that I came up with recently.

Think of the Universe as a video game console and you as the player of an interactive story kind of game. Think of your imagination as your controller. You don't consciously control every detail of the story, if you did, it would be pretty boring. The video game console doesn't have any values, it merely reflects the values that you have, the values you pick with your controller. There really is no difference, as far as it is concerned, between the ways you can play the game, they are all part of his system. Think of sleep or anything you do that takes your attention away from your immediate story as going into a menu where you can alter the settings more carefuly, instead of just doing it on the fly all the time. Persist in your intention because you can't just skip parts of the story, it has to flow, but if you persist, the game will take you to the destination on its own. The whole letting go thing is overblown, you don't let go, you simply stop looking at the controller in order to witness the unfolding of the story. But not so much that you drift off-course!

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by Sponge

Intentional manifestation either works or it doesn't.

Okay dokay.

A computer works for some people and not for others. A violin plays beautiful music for a person and sounds like pig slaughter in the hands of another. An oven bakes delicious cakes for a cook but burns them for another. A little piece of land turns into a beautiful garden for a person and go to weeds for another.

The same things work for some but not others. They either work or they don't. I get it.

[Sponge]

I guess what I mean is, you're given the steps. i.e get into the feeling of having the desired outcome, visuslize, have faith etc etc. You follow the steps and are able to manifest a number of things: missing car keys, a coffee machine, a car park space etc etc you then follow same steps for larger things and it goes the other way. Reasons: you didn't detach, you should meditate more often, it wasn't the most benevolent outcome. You get the picture.

I even tried manifesting the return of a lost phone the other week. Nothing! That cost close to $1000 (aud) to replace. I can see with a sale of a house that a)it might not be for the good of all concerned and b)we may be being protected (things like: I won't be happy when move, financial circumstances may change) but I can't manifest any desire at the moment. It feels like I was teased for a while and now nada!

So am I just a very bad cook or what?? (I can't bake to save my life by the way).

Question: have both of you successfully manifested all your desires?

[lycan]

Originally Posted by Sponge

I guess what I mean is, you're given the steps. i.e get into the feeling of having the desired outcome, visuslize, have faith etc etc.

Does the etc, etc include:

1. Persist.
2. Fish in deeper waters.

Neville Goddard induced lucid dreams and made a clear distinction between an idle daydream and true prayer. True prayer requires you to shut yourself off from your senses by imobilizing the body (i.e., induce sleep paralysis) before you even bother to visualize anything.

You follow the steps and are able to manifest a number of things: missing car keys, a coffee machine, a car park space etc etc you then follow same steps for larger things and it goes the other way. Reasons: you didn't detach, you should meditate more often, it wasn't the most benevolent outcome. You get the picture.

It could be that you just "manifested" things that would likely have happened anyway and then tried to manifest something that likely wouldn't, only to realize you were never really consciously manifesting in the first place.

A better analogy would be this:

You have your long range controller set in one direction. You have been dabbling with the short range controls, having short bursts into this or that direction without bothering with the long range controls. So you are moving in autopilot in one direction and thinking that the short term bursts can compensate for that. It's like you are on a train. Yes, you can walk all over the train. Get off this train and into a different train if you want the "big picture" to change. Stop trying to walk to your target while the train you are on is moving in the opposite direction.

Question: have both of you successfully manifested all your desires?

Speaking of me, I haven't.

[Moriarty]

Perhaps thats the way you took it to mean, but thats not what i meant. It's not the universe thats the problem because it has no intention and is simply energy flowing...its the human element thats the problem.

When you say 'you', is that directed at me personally? I hope not...assuming is never the best avenue to move down. And yes, i agree with the last bit and is why i said above that the problem lies with the human element.

Its not the 'sending off ones intentions', or the 'faith'...but more involved then that. Let me try to sum it up with this....A child who has no experience and only faith that Santa exists, sends off his xmas wish list. He has nothing playing in the background, simply that Santa comes and puts his present under the tree. Total faith. Twenty years later, he has a wish list. He doesnt believe in Santa anymore and not sure LOA will work either..in fact, he now has a whole degree of stuff playing in the background. What the heck, he gives it a try, nothing to lose.

Think about whats running in the background folks while your manifesting with faith.

[Sponge]

Thanks for responding Lycan, I'll address the points below anyway.

Originally Posted by lycan

Does the etc, etc include:

1. Persist.
2. Fish in deeper waters.

Neville Goddard induced lucid dreams and made a clear distinction between an idle daydream and true prayer. True prayer requires you to shut yourself off from your senses by imobilizing the body (i.e., induce sleep paralysis) before you even bother to visualize anything.

Well if this is the case, I probably haven't 'intentionally' manifested anything. But this to me seems to be the blood, sweat and tears approach I keep hearing about. Surely we are all natural at imagining and visualising, does there really have to be such a technique before it's possible?



It could be that you just "manifested" things that would likely have happened anyway and then tried to manifest something that likely wouldn't, only to realize you were never really consciously manifesting in the first place.

This thought has crossed my mind, but again, it's the 'you're not doing it right' excuse/reason. Why is this stuff so hard? (sorry..so hard, for me?)

A better analogy would be this:

You have your long range controller set in one direction. You have been dabbling with the short range controls, having short bursts into this or that direction without bothering with the long range controls. So you are moving in autopilot in one direction and thinking that the short term bursts can compensate for that. It's like you are on a train. Yes, you can walk all over the train. Get off this train and into a different train if you want the "big picture" to change. Stop trying to walk to your target while the train you are on is moving in the opposite direction.

mmm ok, so what your advice is, if I understand correctly, is that I need to get into more of a trance like state before requesting anything? Basically, I need to improve my manifesting skills?
Again, two different answers from two different people about the same thing.
What I am coming to believe is that it's whatever you believe will happen. I really want to believe that I have the ability to request things and shape my life, but time and time again the results are not there. Don't get me wrong, I lead a good life and am generally happy and consider myself lucky for the most part. I can't help but feel that the more I have tried to manifest, the worse I am starting to feel, because not only are these life changes not occurring but also I am left with disappointment and frustration and now also feeling incapable with the process. By my own admission though, I am all over the place, I swing from method to method, tool to tool and don't seem to stick at anything particularly well. And that includes a big part of me, questioning how much of this can actually be controlled (for want of a better word)? And trying to find acceptance for what is now.
I thoroughly believe in the Law of Attraction. I know so many friends who complain so much and their lives are just full of stuff to complain about. I just wonder if there's only a certain amount of control (again to use that language) actually possible?

Speaking of me, I haven't.

This is what I am noticing. Most people are successful in manifesting to a certain point, but either we are all guilty of looking at what we don't have and trying to request more? Or we purposefully have lack in our lives to lead us down the spiritual path.
One of the famous English football players committed suicide yesterday I believe, I mean here's someone who has everything and yet...how can we find true happiness if we are in this constant battle with wanting more?

I apologise if my posts are all over the place, I can go from one minute to being very positive to the next to just being full of doubts. I would say at the moment, I want to make improvements in my life but am also extremely interested in the non-dual spiritual path neither of which is sticking for me right now, leaving me in a state of confusion (got to love Maya).

For the time being am going to try some Theta healing and see if I can remove any of these blocks. I will report on this.
Thank you all for your help and support.