RIP Jerry Hicks

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Cantando

I'll put some in the dog's bowl and get back to you!

Yeah, and if I shouldn't hear from you again I'll assume that it worked and that your dog dragged you out of your house and buried you in the backyard.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Reefs

You won't find that via google. The Abraham dialogs are not in a public database. It's on some recording somewhere. Hard to dig up again. But I'm not making this up.

Reefs, I've read all of their books and watched many, many, many of the videos and listened to the recordings, and it just doesn't occur for me the way it occurs for you.

I think that the reason I won't find it via google is that your perspective in this matter (and a few other matters!) shows up in reality as I experience it as your perspective on how things are, and not how things are. You've got a map that doesn't match up with my terrain. So of course I didn't (and wouldn't!) find any google matches.

Wouldn't that be cool if we could do google searches of other people's model of the world! Of course, some searches would be more interesting, fun, or compelling than others -- and some would be get you inundated by porn pop-ups and spam! That gives me an idea for a story, thanks!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Angela

Reefs, I've read all of their books and watched many, many, many of the videos and listened to the recordings, and it just doesn't occur for me the way it occurs for you.

I think that the reason I won't find it via google is that your perspective in this matter (and a few other matters!) shows up in reality as I experience it as your perspective on how things are, and not how things are. You've got a map that doesn't match up with my terrain. So of course I didn't (and wouldn't!) find any google matches.

Wouldn't that be cool if we could do google searches of other people's model of the world! Of course, some searches would be more interesting, fun, or compelling than others -- and some would be get you inundated by porn pop-ups and spam! That gives me an idea for a story, thanks!

Well, it's there on the recordings, you just didn't notice. I can also remember that story inri told about living on beer only. But I didn't remember that they also told the audience about Jerry's diet.

And you are right, everyone has his/her own special search engine that omits or highlights certain results. And you just have to adjust your mood and your search engine will adjust immediately and different results will show up.

[Angela]

Ooops, was just going to reply when I noticed you dropped off the search engine results! (e.g., got yourself banned in the last couple of minutes.) Best wishes to you!

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by Reefs

You bring up some good points. In the case of the Abraham-Hicks teachings it seems that the teachings evolve over time, but what really happens is that the channeler distorts the teachings less and less.

It's not even so much distortion. When I said that channeled information was different from the actual information, I didn't mean in the sense of ballparks or even sports. The channeler is basically having a conversation with the entity, then, out of his or her own words, writes down, not a translation, but her own words describing what they had. It's like that blog where that one guy who spent a bunch of time with UG writes about time spent with him. Reading this guy's blog only describes, but never comes close to having spent real time with UG.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Angela

(e.g., got yourself banned in the last couple of minutes.) Best wishes to you!

[inri]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Well, it's there on the recordings, you just didn't notice. I can also remember that story inri told about living on beer only. But I didn't remember that they also told the audience about Jerry's diet.

And you are right, everyone has his/her own special search engine that omits or highlights certain results. And you just have to adjust your mood and your search engine will adjust immediately and different results will show up.

What I'm getting though Reefs, is that you are perhaps taking certain things that have been said and then putting your own spin on them. For example; The bit about Jerry eating alot of spinach and salmon, COULD mean that he really LIKED spinach and Salmon.

I personally DID put my own spin on it and thus, took this to mean that he must be TRYING To eat what he perceives to be a healthy diet because that just sounds kind of boring and even kind of yucky to me...but then, I'm not Jerry Hicks. His food preferences might be very different than mine.

It seems that perhaps you've taken certain things that were said, such as; Esther saying that she hopes Jerry doesn't transition prior to her, and you're assuming that this means that Esther was 'attached' to the idea of her and Jerry continuing on in physicality together.

It's quite possible to have a preference for something without being attached to it. I also hold a preference for my husband and I to both live a long life to see our children grow to be adults and such, but I certainly wouldn't say that the idea of this not occurring, 'terrorizes' me.

I've listened to a lot of Abraham CD's myself as well and although I've heard certain things said that might lead us to certain conclusions, it seems to me that those details that were shared would take some individualized 'self spinning' for one to determine that attachment or lack of acceptance was absolutely indicated by them.

[inri]

Originally Posted by Beingist

awww......me too...I've gotten kind of attached to that guy.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by inri

awww......me too...I've gotten kind of attached to that guy.

Must've been PMs that got him the boot. I searched his recent posts and can't find anything that's ban-worthy.

[Angela]

I think that's a great metaphor for why people struggle with intention manifestation -- it's important to incorporate the feedback you get from the universe.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Must've been PMs that got him the boot. I searched his recent posts and can't find anything that's ban-worthy.

Three warnings, one just yesterday, and he answered flat-out that he wasn't going to censor himself. And, he didn't.

On rare occasion, somebody comes around and basically says, "I don't like your stinkin' guidelines." The mods can spend our days monitoring these individuals and deleting their snarky commentary, but it gets pointless when nearly everyone else has no difficulty following the forum rules.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by inri

awww......me too...I've gotten kind of attached to that guy.

Yeah.

I've been finding lately, that, although I may not agree with everyone around here, some provide the opportunity for me to ... get over myself, and accept that there are people with whom I may disagree. Reefs is one of those.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

On rare occasion, somebody comes around and basically says, "I don't like your stinkin' guidelines." The mods can spend our days monitoring these individuals and deleting their snarky commentary, but it gets pointless when nearly everyone else has no difficulty following the forum rules.

Ah. Well, I hope he finds moderation in his battles with authority in the future.

[kapootala]

I personally knew, worked with and loved Jerry Hicks, of Abraham fame. When I learned he passed away on November 18th, I felt the sadness of losing a friend, but the joy of knowing he transitioned into what Abraham and Esther Hicks call The Vortex.
If you have thoughts, fears, doubts, beliefs and expectations surfacing — triggered by Jerry’s illness and passing — that’s what you want to clear. What you are experiencing is your unconscious coming to the surface. You are discovering what you really believe.
Joe Vitale on Jerry Hicks

Can I get an explanation with reference to the context above about what then is the VORTEX if not the R I P of a lifetime and has it been misquoted by other mind counsels who are in the limelight at this moment of everything being L O A
Also the fear of it all.....please make some senses of all this......!

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by kapootala

I personally knew, worked with and loved Jerry Hicks, of Abraham fame. When I learned he passed away on November 18th, I felt the sadness of losing a friend, but the joy of knowing he transitioned into what Abraham and Esther Hicks call The Vortex....

Hi kapootla.

I'm sorry you lost a friend. Sadly, it's part of life. The older we get, the more it happens - losing friends and family - those who formed such a big, influential part in our lives.

Out of interest, did you know Jerry before he got involved with LoA?

You ask about the Vortex. Abraham/Hicks have released various CDs and books about it. Have you not seen these? I'm just a bit puzzled that if you knew him (and, thus, surely aware of their works), that you are asking here for an explanation about it.

You talk about the joy you felt at Jerry going into the Vortex, yet end your post about the fear of it all. So, it sounds like you are going through some emotional turmoil.

I won't give you direct advice, as you have not specifically asked for it, but I hope you find some answers and more importantly, peace of mind,

Best Wishes,

Cantando

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Hi kapootla.

I'm sorry you lost a friend. Sadly, it's part of life. The older we get, the more it happens - losing friends and family - those who formed such a big, influential part in our lives.

Out of interest, did you know Jerry before he got involved with LoA?

You ask about the Vortex. Abraham/Hicks have released various CDs and books about it. Have you not seen these? I'm just a bit puzzled that if you knew him (and, thus, surely aware of their works), that you are asking here for an explanation about it.

You talk about the joy you felt at Jerry going into the Vortex, yet end your post about the fear of it all. So, it sounds like you are going through some emotional turmoil.

I won't give you direct advice, as you have not specifically asked for it, but I hope you find some answers and more importantly, peace of mind,

Best Wishes,

Cantando

I'm pretty sure he was quoting Joe Vitale, and asking a question in the context of that statement. I think so, anyway.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

I'm pretty sure he was quoting Joe Vitale, and asking a question in the context of that statement. I think so, anyway.

Thanks, CL. Yes, I misread the post. Sorry for the confusion.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by VinceG

Must've been PMs that got him the boot. I searched his recent posts and can't find anything that's ban-worthy.

He never gave me a "bannable vibe", so I'm also perplexed and feeling the loss

[Edit: Oh, I see - loose cannon ]

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

He never gave me a "bannable vibe", so I'm also perplexed and feeling the loss

[Edit: Oh, I see - loose cannon ]

I guess I must be the only one not feeling the loss.

And I very much got the "bannable vibe" from him, and agree with the moderators decision.

[arpee]

From The Official Website and Youtube Video it's explain that Esther Does NOT channel... It's a bit different from what channeling do, and Esther/Abraham has explained this a number of times...

Esther explains that Abraham (no relation to the Biblical figure) is analogous to her "Inner Being" or "Soul", and that she has learned to translate impulses from this Non-Physical energy using her own vocabulary.

Abraham has talked about this on several occasions, and always reiterates that they don't like to use the word "channel" because it is used by so many in other connotations. What Esther does is different from what those who call themselves "channels" oftentimes. Esther quiets her mind and raises her vibration to where she can tap into INFINITE INTELLIGENCE, and she is given "blocks of thought" by this intelligence, which is non-physically focused. She then puts those "blocks of thought" into English, and speaks them. The Intelligence that we call Abraham is not one specific entity, or even several specific entities, but rather a fluid gathering of non-physically focused energies that amass in response to the ASKING of those of us in physical - whether it's Jerry, Esther, or the attendees of a workshop.

[alexb5784]

I love the Hicks and I'm sorry for Esther's loss

This reminds me that I need to read Ask and It's Given this week end. Hmmm

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I guess I must be the only one not feeling the loss.

And I very much got the "bannable vibe" from him, and agree with the moderators decision.

I can't say I was that familiar with Reef, but what I read from him was being arguementative with ALG, and then I was bewildered at his changing his avatar to that of ALG's in an altered colour though it was changed again to a similar image a couple days before the ban. I don't know what drove his beef with ALG.

[radscorpion8]

Damn. RIP reefs' e-persona, we'll miss you!!

Also jerry. heh.

[Pi3rP0lJAKO]

I just wanted to add my opinion and experience to this thread, because i feel very concerned about jerry's death and his link to the law of attraction,and the validity of the teachings .

I'll be short about myself and tell you very quickly my story.

I personnally healed myself from so-called "incurables diseases" and i'm currently healing with success a chest malformation, and a linked hearth problem
I mean i really did it, whether you believe it or not, i even have proof...

I had glasses, i don't need them any more, i had others problems but they are all gone now.

If you want to know more about how i healed, myself, you can go on this thread;
healed eyesight - Page 3

But i'm not here to talk aobut myself; when i hear that abraham's stuff is scam because jerry is dead, it makes me want to react for two reasons:

-First, the teachings are 100 % valid and will always be, they are the foundation of your existence, but you are totally free to disagree.

-Secondly, from my real personnal experience i can tell two things: it is really working, but it takes a LOT OF TIME and WILL to change one's vibration, one's way of life, and it takes me 4 years to heal my eyesight fully.
You have to be very serious and implicated in taking your vibration control, it is not about reading the book of the LOA and thinking positively.
It's about cleaning one's mind, physical and energical body from the negativity stocked during you lifetime. Every second of your life, every word, every action matters.
So that is why, as it requires a full personal implication, few people really do it.
I remember Abraham sometimes say things like "it's easy to do things, just let yourself go and everything will go as you want it to go...". I think what it means it that when you cease resisting, things are done automatically. But to stop creating negativity, you must be very disciplined.

You know i don't want to write to tell how good i have been or these kinds of stuff, because it would be exagerated and presomptuous but i can tell you how much honest and involved i have been in understanding my own mind and mastering it step by step, sufficiently to allow my body to heal itself.
By reading abraham's teachings, things have become clearer for me and i achieved a better understanding of life and of the universe. But I DID the job, not abraham. And sometimes it was hard, sometimes i had the feeling that i wasn't getting better but i did.

To end, i would like to say that i have always been surprised by what i was feeling from Jerry but also from Esther. I was fascinated for years by abraham's teachings, it was the most interesting stuff i ever heard of my life, but when i look at those two people, i can feel that they don't emanate something very strong, as if they were common people.
So that doesn't surprise me very much that Jerry didn't heal himself. I mean i have a lot of respect for those two individuals but to me there is a real Gap between the quality of their teachings and what they are able to do by themselves.

Please excuse my english, it's not my native language...

[jota]

Hey Pi3rP0lJAKO...i understand what you say...i have the same feeling...but i solve wrote here because the thread that you made in abeforum was very good really and you stop posting there(probably because you dont follo 100 percent abraham )

I thinked a lot , why he dont post in others foruns like Steve or PI...and here are you(my english also is not so good)

Thanks

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Zenn

I can't say I was that familiar with Reef, but what I read from him was being arguementative with ALG, and then I was bewildered at his changing his avatar to that of ALG's in an altered colour though it was changed again to a similar image a couple days before the ban. I don't know what drove his beef with ALG.

I didn't mind him, most of the time.

And the avatar thing didn't bother me at all.