RIP Jerry Hicks

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Frisky

Anyone who's ever had an OBE (like I have) or and NDE will tell you its better on the other side anyways. So it wouldnt come as too great a surprise if Jerry wasnt fighting his cancer too hard

Based on the hearsay I know, it would surprise me if he didn't. That he immediately went for chemotherapy is just one indicator.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Karma has everything to do with the Law of Attraction. They are different words to describe the same thing.

You know, ALG, I've long suspected this very thing. Glad to get this confirmed. Thanks.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Beingist

You know, ALG, I've long suspected this very thing. Glad to get this confirmed. Thanks.

Karma is distortion.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Karma is distortion.

Distortion of what, Reefs? The LoA?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Distortion of what, Reefs? The LoA?

Yes.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Karma is distortion.

Originally Posted by Beingist

Distortion of what, Reefs? The LoA?

Originally Posted by Reefs

Yes.

Yeah, I can dig it. As a former Roman Catholic, I've noticed how a number of ancient concepts are distortions of ... newer understandings.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Yeah, I can dig it. As a former Roman Catholic, I've noticed how a number of ancient concepts are distortions of ... newer understandings.

Almost any concept that becomes mainstream gets distorted. There will be a view things added here and there and a few things left out here and there.

If you've really read Meister Eckhart you will know that the bible is also a distortion, maybe even coded.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Almost any concept that becomes mainstream gets distorted. There will be a view things added here and there and a few things left out here and there.

If you've really read Meister Eckhart you will know that the bible is also a distortion, maybe even coded.

Indeed, I think the bible is, in some cases, an outright misinterpretation. Otherwise, on the whole, yes, a grand distortion.

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Very well said, Inri. There are two things that come up over and over again over the years with Jerry and Esther: 1) they are terrified of sickness 2) Esthers worst nightmare would be Jerry dying before her and leaving her back alone.

This is from the link in the first post.

Jerry said to me when we came together over 30 years ago that given the difference in our ages that it was likely “that I will cut out on you early,” to which I replied, “I don’t mind.”

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

This is from the link in the first post.

What's your point?

[cacheborn]

Originally Posted by Reefs

What's your point?

My point is it does not appear that it was her worst nightmare if she said "I don't mind."

[ButterflyWoman]

Jerry was quite a lot older than Esther. As she related, he told her when they first hooked up that he was likely to die before she did. It sounds like he pretty much expected it, and so did she. As for his death... It sounds like it was actually pretty quick as these things go. It wasn't a long, lingering, agonising death like some people experience. He escaped the sometimes horrible side effects of the chemotherapy. He had enough time to put all of his affairs in order and say goodbye to everyone he would have wanted to farewell. People who loved him had time to prepare for his death, so it wasn't a sudden shock. Perhaps that's how he wanted it? Not the specifics, necessarily, but maybe he wanted some advance notice and prep time and so on. A lot of people would prefer that to a sudden, unexpected, immediate death.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Like I use to say, it's not about content. It's about being fully in the NOW, ie the vortex. Which means seeing things from a broader, impersonal, instinctual/intuitive perspective and not getting bogged down with personal nitty-gritty. Abraham stated that the ideal life would be 95% in the vortex and only 5% out. The 5% out would create enough contrast (contrast means variety to choose from and not unwanted stuff, btw!) to never let you run out of desires and the 95% in would ensure that every step along the way would be joyous.

What would it look like if 100% was in the "vortex"?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by cacheborn

My point is it does not appear that it was her worst nightmare if she said "I don't mind."

Well, that whole discussion is turning more and more into gossip with every post. It's all based on hearsay. I don't know Jerry, I don't know Esther, I don't know Abraham. I don't know what happens behind the scenes. This quote was from their blog. So it's a PR thing, maybe even a face saving thing.

All I know is what is said on some tapes and what happened now. And it was said repeatedly (mostly in a fun way) that Esther would be very mad at Jerry if he would croak before her and that their plan was to croak together, living happily and healthy and then suddenly drop dead the next moment.

There was much pushing against sickness and aging.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Jerry was quite a lot older than Esther. As she related, he told her when they first hooked up that he was likely to die before she did. It sounds like he pretty much expected it, and so did she. As for his death... It sounds like it was actually pretty quick as these things go. It wasn't a long, lingering, agonising death like some people experience. He escaped the sometimes horrible side effects of the chemotherapy. He had enough time to put all of his affairs in order and say goodbye to everyone he would have wanted to farewell. People who loved him had time to prepare for his death, so it wasn't a sudden shock. Perhaps that's how he wanted it? Not the specifics, necessarily, but maybe he wanted some advance notice and prep time and so on. A lot of people would prefer that to a sudden, unexpected, immediate death.

Just have a look at the pictures of Jerry trough the years. They tell a different story. It's a slow decline.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

What would it look like if 100% was in the "vortex"?

Abraham usually say that if you wanted to stay 100% in the vortex then you would have stayed with them in the non-physical.

My take on it is that you can only ponder that question when you are outside the vortex. When you are in the vortex there is no you left, you would be Source and not a mere extension of Source. So there are no funny stories to tell of how it looks like from inside the vortex. Similar to Nirvana, nothing to write home about.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Just have a look at the pictures of Jerry trough the years. They tell a different story. It's a slow decline.

Okay. Whatever. Maybe they're liars or hypocrites, or maybe they didn't practice what they preach, or maybe what they're preaching is nonsense. To be honest, it doesn't make any difference to me or my reality one way or the other. I'm not at all attached to the Hicks and their teachings.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Okay. Whatever. Maybe they're liars or hypocrites, or maybe they didn't practice what they preach, or maybe what they're preaching is nonsense. To be honest, it doesn't make any difference to me or my reality one way or the other. I'm not at all attached to the Hicks and their teachings.

Right. I'm not here to argue or gossip. They just could not live what they teach and they never claimed to do so. I just connected a few dots, that's all. What happened to Jerry doesn't affect the Abraham teachings.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Karma is distortion.

Are you sure that it's not your own understanding of what karma is, which is the distortion?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Are you sure that it's not your own understanding of what karma is, which is the distortion?

Yes, absolutely.

[kapootala]

Hi Guys,
About the Abraham Esther platform.
I have been into the readings of the Abraham/Esther dialogues
for the last 4 years.
I have found out that there is nothing new to this platform and the teachings are all from the Bible and the ancient Holy books some of them lost but found now and again.
The old books say the same thing but the language that Abraham puts it in and the idea of the presentations are meant to be for this time and age.
Abraham says all that Jesus had said.
Abraham says all that Bhudda has said.
I am in appreciation of the Abraham platform because what I could not understand reading the verses in the Bible is what Esther has made it easy by her discussions and lectures with the non entity Abraham speaking in English on all those topics which are already in the Bible,the Buddha lessons and in many cases the Quoran.
I do not see anything original in the Esther diatribe.
What is original is her presentation which now has given her brand equity and more.....

I would strongly suggest that if you are an Abraham follower of today please sponge only what is relevant and topical to you and that which u can understand for your benefit amd leave the other Abraham chronicles to the library.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by kapootala

About the Abraham Esther platform.
I have been into the readings of the Abraham/Esther dialogues
for the last 4 years.
I have found out that there is nothing new to this platform and the teachings are all from the Bible and the ancient Holy books some of them lost but found now and again.
The old books say the same thing but the language that Abraham puts it in and the idea of the presentations are meant to be for this time and age.

If you check Jerry's background, you'll understand where Abraham came from.

Hint: Jerry was a very successful Amway distributor ('Crown' level in 1979). Amway Wiki - Amway North America

Here's an old post from this forum: Ask And It Is Given

[arpee]

The backgrounds of Jerry and Esther, are irrelevant. It is what they teach that is important. Their teachings are what is having an effect on people's life, not their background...

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

The backgrounds of Jerry and Esther, are irrelevant. It is what they teach that is important. Their teachings are what is having an effect on people's life, not their background...

No, their background plays a huge part in how they interpret what they receive and how they manage and distribute it.

[Frans]

Originally Posted by arpee

The backgrounds of Jerry and Esther, are irrelevant. It is what they teach that is important.

If you don't know their background, you cannot understand where that channeling stuff came from...

What "Abraham" says through Esther is nothing more than a synthesis of a lot of "feeling good" and "positive thinking" books that were available in the seventies (and earlier).

It may be interesting to know that Esther met Jerry in Fresno, CA in 1976 during one of his Amway seminars on "Think and Grow Rich".

As a former Amway distributor, I can tell you that (in those days) selling these "inspirational" books became a major business, even more interesting (financially) than selling Amway products.

So Jerry Hicks was already earning money with "LoA" stuff, long before the term "Law of Attraction" was coined, long before "Abraham".

If Esther Weaver never would have met Jerry Hicks, "Abraham" wouldn't exist.
Jerry Hicks invented "Abraham". Jerry Hicks was "Abraham".

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Frans

Jerry Hicks was "Abraham".

Exactly so! And so are you and I and George Clooney and your next door neighbor.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Angela

Exactly so! And so are you and I and George Clooney and your next door neighbor.

Are you sure? I'm pretty certain that some will swear that their next door neighbor is the devil himself.

[VinceG]

Originally Posted by arpee

The backgrounds of Jerry and Esther, are irrelevant. It is what they teach that is important. Their teachings are what is having an effect on people's life, not their background...

This is untrue and dangerous, leading to cult mentality and hero worship. A teacher's life should be fully examined along with his teachings. The reason is because humans are so skilled in deception that it's impossible to know what a person's motivations are without this knowledge.

It is not a teacher you should be studying but life and existence and consciousness itself. Knowing the specific motivations behind teachers' actions helps in that goal, and refusing to examine them hinders.

[inri]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Jerry was quite a lot older than Esther. As she related, he told her when they first hooked up that he was likely to die before she did. It sounds like he pretty much expected it, and so did she. As for his death... It sounds like it was actually pretty quick as these things go. It wasn't a long, lingering, agonising death like some people experience. He escaped the sometimes horrible side effects of the chemotherapy. He had enough time to put all of his affairs in order and say goodbye to everyone he would have wanted to farewell. People who loved him had time to prepare for his death, so it wasn't a sudden shock. Perhaps that's how he wanted it? Not the specifics, necessarily, but maybe he wanted some advance notice and prep time and so on. A lot of people would prefer that to a sudden, unexpected, immediate death.

This is what I was thinking too. While the whole idea of just cutting out one one night, out of the blue, in your sleep works very well for the one making their transition, it often leaves those left behind dealing with a level of shock and resultant grief that is softened somewhat when they instead have a bit of notice of what will be occurring.

To have a bit of advanced knowing gives all parties, the one making their transition included, some time to say goodbye and to adjust to the idea of what will be occurring.

I can only imagine that in light of what appears to be a very close and intimate relationship, that Jerry's brief illness prior to death provided this period of adjustment for Esther and all involved.

Something like an brief illness following a death need not indicate anything contrary to what was planned. Abraham regularly says; The universe has it planned out even better than what you can imagine...and it's the 'essence' of your desire that counts.

Can't help but think here, perhaps the 'essence' of what they were both wanting was indeed fulfilled rather than the exact 'picture' they'd been envisioning of their latter days together.

The essence of our desires is an interesting angle to examine when it comes to all of this, as when you break down a desire into its components and 'reasons' for it, it can often be seen that there are many avenues to its realization that do not necessarily rely upon the manifestation of the 'exact' picture one might have had in mind.

[Angela]

Hey, Inri.... yesterday someone suggested that you and I are twins, and that we went to the same Wordsmith College. What a nice compliment that was!

Anyway, yes, although I can understand the allure of a sudden transition into the nonphysical (minimal pain), the game of transitioning out more gradually makes more sense to me. I think it made sense for Jerry as a gift to Esther, too, considering what she said in her email about how she appreciates the help releasing her resistance to croaking.

See you at the Wordsmith College reunion!