RIP Jerry Hicks

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Reefs

...he would edit these workshop recordings and later he would even compile them into series and books and videos etc. That means he must have listened to every problem presented to Abraham at least 5 times or more! Which means his focus was often on things he would not have wanted. And not only one problem but a plethora of human issues over almost 3 decades.

So I'm not surprised that what happened now happened exactly the way it happened.

Wow, I did not even think of that. That is an interesting perspective.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

Wow, I did not even think of that. That is an interesting perspective.

From my point of view that's the reason behind Jerry's 'disaster'. There was short period of time when I was listening to a lot of Abraham stuff for several hours a day. From an intellectual point of view it felt ok, new concepts to play with, but from a feeling point of view not really ok. Because I've never really pondered things like disability, gays, soul mates etc. That suddenly started with listening to those recordings and it went even on during dream state. All stuff that had nothing to do with me but suddenly seemed to be relevant because it was talked to death on those recordings over and over again. So I stopped listening. Reading the books was a different experience, it's easier to skip the nonsense and it's not full of personal issues.

[inri]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Yeah, I actually introduced the vortex concept to them.

Where did you get the info that Jerry's diet was salmon and spinach??

I listened to a couple of references to this on CD's. In once instance Jerry had asked Abraham if it was possible to live on beer and beer alone as he'd apparently encountered some guy in his circus days that professed to do just this. Abe's response was that it was indeed possible and that it wasn't all that different than the way Jerry pretty much solely existed on Spinach and Salmon.

[inri]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Reefs

That's just Chris' cold that has gone viral on the forum.

Haha...believe it or not, on top of everything else, I DID catch a cold yesterday.

How do you mean that?

I seem to have reached a point where there is really nothing I have a burning desire for....there really is nothing that's perceived as being 'needed' or necessary for peace to prevail...... improved health included at this point......I'm seeing the perfection even in having an illness that could end things or disable.

Therefore, as far as intents go at this point, If there is any, it is simply to see clearly...to cease resisting the content of any given moment. perhaps 'intent' isn't even the best word, as it's simply more of a 'seeing' that nothing is necessary and I"m very much enjoying the perspective.

I can now clearly see that resistance is the only thing that can mar the experience....regardless of what is occurring.

When we no longer have attachment to anything in particular that is presenting or not presenting, then even something like a physical illness or even impending death can be experienced with with peace.

I get the sense this was what Jerry experienced in his last days. Let's face it, we can all talk a good talk about how all we need to do is cease the resistance to the content of the moment and all suffering will cease and we'll move into the vortex, (& manifest our hearts desire), but until we experience actual circumstances that challenge our ability to accept, we'll never really know for sure exactly what our response will be.

Jerry got to find out first hand. And as I'm seeing, when we can accept and even embrace something like the possibility of our own immediate, impending physical demise, we enter into a state where the beauty and perfection can then be seen in absolutely everything.

[inri]

Originally Posted by Reefs

From my point of view that's the reason behind Jerry's 'disaster'. There was short period of time when I was listening to a lot of Abraham stuff for several hours a day. From an intellectual point of view it felt ok, new concepts to play with, but from a feeling point of view not really ok. Because I've never really pondered things like disability, gays, soul mates etc. That suddenly started with listening to those recordings and it went even on during dream state. All stuff that had nothing to do with me but suddenly seemed to be relevant because it was talked to death on those recordings over and over again. So I stopped listening. Reading the books was a different experience, it's easier to skip the nonsense and it's not full of personal issues.

It is quite possible though to not see Jerry's circumstances as a 'disaster' at all. Again, as onlookers, we have no way of really knowing what was in Jerry's 'vibrational escrow' as Esther used to refer to all those manifest desires that were awaiting us in our vortex.

If someone has a deep desire to be completely free from attachment and they also have a desire to have perfect health, can you see how the desire to be free might take precedence and do so, using another strong, but not as strong desire of ours to enact it?

when our desire for freedom is very strong, then Everything that manifests that we do not consciously prefer, has been summoned by our desire for complete freedom...to know abiding peace and acceptance that requires nothing.

It is through experiencing those things that are (very) contrary to our conscious desires that we really learn how to let go and accept.

perhaps at the later phase of an exciting and well-lived life, Jerry was ready to face that final frontier of resistance to let go of all attachment while still physically alive....and it often seems that the only way to let go of all of it IS to experience something that is contrary to our conscious desires.

[Million Dollar Man]

I am not sure Who Jerry Hicks was but I will read his work.
You can't just stay young and healthy with LOA alone.

You need to use the secrets of herbs and oganic food.
White Tea repairs DNA that is what keeps you young and healthy...
that is just one example.

I used to feel so bad and sick from Soda,... fast food.. alcohol...
Then I changed my diet.. and I now look and FEEL 10 years younger...

Even people tell me.. do you use magic to do it?
And i tell them yes, I drink potions and summon angels...

well in a way I do... it's all about knowledge.
It's why in China the Royal people were the ONLY ones to drink white tea...
and they lived longer than regular people.

Now all the masses.... want soda.. chips and beer.
the stuff that causes cancer.. and illness...

Only a few want the wonderful White Tea...

So let us drink White Tea.. and rejoice!! the power of angels..
resides in our souls!

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by inri

Haha...believe it or not, on top of everything else, I DID catch a cold yesterday.

Me too! Chris is such a non-person that all the persons are catching his cold.

[Criseyde]

I think this whole discussion is bizarre. Most people in developed nations don't just drop dead out of a clear blue sky. The only thing I know of that can cause that is a brain aneurysm. There are probably a few other things, but they're pretty rare.

I haven't been following this at all but I just did some Googling. I think he was diagnosed with cancer in April. Mid-April to mid-November is not long at all, in this day and age. Many people suffer much longer. My grandmother had ovarian cancer, and underwent chemo and surgeries for three years before it finally killed her. My grandfather was in treatment for heart disease for close to 10 (I think) before he died of a heart attack.

He lived quite a long time and died relatively quickly for somebody in this society. I don't see what the issue is.

Then again, I've never believed that we consciously choose when we die. Did Abraham ever say that? I don't remember hearing it.

[localrobert]

Originally Posted by Frisky

I read somewhere if someone contracts cancer as some past-life karma there is pretty much nothing you can do for that person. Including LOA.

Maybe that was the case here??

I think that's a good point. However if retrocausality is real or can be applied by your garden variety human such as myself, would it be possible to ballance one's past karma in the present? I dont think karma is sentenced by govorning spiritual intelligence as punishment though. But I've been wrong before.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

I think this whole discussion is bizarre. Most people in developed nations don't just drop dead out of a clear blue sky. The only thing I know of that can cause that is a brain aneurysm. There are probably a few other things, but they're pretty rare.

I haven't been following this at all but I just did some Googling. I think he was diagnosed with cancer in April. Mid-April to mid-November is not long at all, in this day and age. Many people suffer much longer. My grandmother had ovarian cancer, and underwent chemo and surgeries for three years before it finally killed her. My grandfather was in treatment for heart disease for close to 10 (I think) before he died of a heart attack.

He lived quite a long time and died relatively quickly for somebody in this society. I don't see what the issue is.

Then again, I've never believed that we consciously choose when we die. Did Abraham ever say that? I don't remember hearing it.

I think the idea would be that if someone is highly skilled at LoA, they'd be reasonably able to choose when they pass on. Of course we don't know what was going on in this man's mind, but we're assuming he wanted to live longer. I would imagine most people would like to live as long as possible in very good health and very good physical condition. So why did he die at age 80 instead of 90 or 100? The idea would be perhaps he had some strong beliefs that undermined his I/M capability to stay alive until age 90 . . . like nobody in his family had ever done so. That sort of thing.

[Acting Like Godot]

I am really amazed that anyone is amazed that Jerry Hicks died. Folks, he was in his eighties. "Eighty-Year-Old Dies of Cancer" .... Folks, does that really strike you as headline news? Even the Buddha died, even Jesus died, and Sai Baba, the modern miracle-maker of our times, died this year.

Firstly, while all things are possible with the Law of Attraction (and indeed, all things that exist come into existence because of the Law of Attraction), this does not mean that you can do all things. It only means that you can do all things, to the extent that you are able to control and shape your thoughts and beliefs about them.

The belief in death is very deep-rooted. Do you think it is easy to uproot this belief? It is not easy, even if your wife happens to be a channeller.

Secondly, if you have listened to Abraham teachings about what death is all about, and if you believe in those teachings, you will see that death is not a scary thing, it isn't feared and avoided at all costs. You live your life here on planet earth; you do your best to make it a good one; and when the time comes, you go on to play somewhere else.

If you can accept that death isn't scary, that death is just a door to another kind of life, then do you see? When you are quite old and lying there on a hospital bed and feeling quite ill, maybe you may well decide that you're going to quit the "fight" and just go to the next better place.

[Zenn]

The Western culture looks upon death as the ultimate disaster or punishment and fighting against it an admirable and courageous act. Yet it's the most natural and inevitable passage for all living things.

I have no idea if Jerry consciously picked the time to pass. However, almost all NDE stories tell of the most wonderful feeling upon death though they choose reluctantly to return to life for unfinished businesses. Jerry might have realized he had lived a full life and chose to continue on blissfully beyong the point of no return, knowing well Esther had her path to continue and would be OK without him.

eta ALG has expressed very well similar concept while I was writing my post.

[Angela]

Originally Posted by Reefs

There are two things that come up over and over again over the years with Jerry and Esther: 1) they are terrified of sickness 2) Esthers worst nightmare would be Jerry dying before her and leaving her back alone.

I have never come across any hint of either of these two things in anything I'd heard or read of them, so I just went searching on the Internet. I didn't find anything at all that substantiates either thing, but I did find this very fun video, in which Callum Blue, the actor who was in "The Tudors" and "Dead Like Me" asks about what to do about fear, and Abraham talks about not getting to fear in the first place - that is, fear is the result of a whole structure of thought that got you to that point, and it would be nice to recognize when you're doing that and choose thoughts that get you into the vortex, instead. I'm so glad I found this, it's perfect timing!

[Frisky]

Also the Bible says that man is appointed to die. It doesnt say anything about humans having a choice when and where to die

[lycan]

Thought.

Jerry Hicks died in your world because you killed him. You attracted his death into your experience. Good thing the cops don't believe in LoA, otherwise you would be in big trouble!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Then again, I've never believed that we consciously choose when we die. Did Abraham ever say that? I don't remember hearing it.

They say that every death is a suicide which implies that you can choose when and how you go.

[Beingist]

Originally Posted by Reefs

They say that every death is a suicide which implies that you can choose when and how you go.

Just wanted to ask--does this mean that you chose to be physical in the first place, as well the circumstances of your physicality?

[Angela]

Originally Posted by lycan

thought.

Jerry hicks died in your world because you killed him. You attracted his death into your experience. Good thing the cops don't believe in loa, otherwise you would be in big trouble!

lol!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by localrobert

I think that's a good point. However if retrocausality is real or can be applied by your garden variety human such as myself, would it be possible to ballance one's past karma in the present? I dont think karma is sentenced by govorning spiritual intelligence as punishment though. But I've been wrong before.

There is no place for karma in the Abraham-Hicks teachings. They say that you get what you think about. However, when you die you leave all of that behind. You don't take 'unfinished' business over to the other side and work on it in another life.

[Zenn]

Originally Posted by lycan

Thought.

Jerry Hicks died in your world because you killed him. You attracted his death into your experience. Good thing the cops don't believe in LoA, otherwise you would be in big trouble!

Cops have no business or authority in spiritual matters. Death is not bad or a criminal result by natural laws.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Beingist

Just wanted to ask--does this mean that you chose to be physical in the first place, as well the circumstances of your physicality?

According to the teachings, yes. But choices are usually of a very general nature so that you don't really care if you are born healthy wealthy and wise or sick and poor and stupid because you can get to where you want from wherever you are so the starting point of your journey doesn't really matter.

Like I use to say, it's not about content. It's about being fully in the NOW, ie the vortex. Which means seeing things from a broader, impersonal, instinctual/intuitive perspective and not getting bogged down with personal nitty-gritty. Abraham stated that the ideal life would be 95% in the vortex and only 5% out. The 5% out would create enough contrast (contrast means variety to choose from and not unwanted stuff, btw!) to never let you run out of desires and the 95% in would ensure that every step along the way would be joyous.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Reefs

There is no place for karma in the Abraham-Hicks teachings. They say that you get what you think about. However, when you die you leave all of that behind. You don't take 'unfinished' business over to the other side and work on it in another life.

I would disagree with you there.

Karma has everything to do with the Law of Attraction. They are different words to describe the same thing.

Karma arises from thoughts and intentions. Think bad stuff, and eventually bad stuff catches up with you. Think good stuff, and eventually the good stuff catches up with you too. Think blue feathers, and that's what you get too.

People reincarnate back on Earth, because they aren't done yet. They still want to come back to play. There were unfinished intentions ... That brings back them back, those unfinished intentions want expression.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I think the idea would be that if someone is highly skilled at LoA, they'd be reasonably able to choose when they pass on.

I think that only sort of makes sense. On some level, if you try to choose when to die, you're resisting death. It's possible that you reach a point where, in this life, you can't continue expansion, so then you go on. That's only negative or scary if you believe that death is a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Zenn

The Western culture looks upon death as the ultimate disaster or punishment and fighting against it an admirable and courageous act. Yet it's the most natural and inevitable passage for all living things.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Reefs

They say that every death is a suicide which implies that you can choose when and how you go.

But do they say you can choose it consciously? I know they say you choose your parents, but you obviously don't choose that "consciously" because you're already conceived by the time you have any you-consciousness. I've never thought death was something we get to choose from this vantage point.

[Frisky]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I would disagree with you there.

Karma has everything to do with the Law of Attraction. They are different words to describe the same thing.

Karma arises from thoughts and intentions. Think bad stuff, and eventually bad stuff catches up with you. Think good stuff, and eventually the good stuff catches up with you too

Agree 100%.

Law of Attraction and karma are essentially the same thing in the end

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I would disagree with you there.

Karma has everything to do with the Law of Attraction. They are different words to describe the same thing.

Karma arises from thoughts and intentions. Think bad stuff, and eventually bad stuff catches up with you. Think good stuff, and eventually the good stuff catches up with you too. Think blue feathers, and that's what you get too.

People reincarnate back on Earth, because they aren't done yet. They still want to come back to play. There were unfinished intentions ... That brings back them back, those unfinished intentions want expression.

What I just said was what Abraham teach. You are right, karma is somehow the LOA at work. But Abraham said unequivocally that you don't take unfinished stuff over to your next life/lives.

Those unfinished intentions other points of consciousness will pick up end express. Abraham just use other words, they say that later generations will reap the benefit of what you've put into your vortex if you yourself fail to do so when still physically focused.

Again, there is no place in the Abraham teachings for something like karma (in the religious sense). You can choose to change your focus and with that your point of attraction anytime.

Theoretically you are right, think a bad thought and bad stuff will happen. But that's almost never the case, because nobody is really that pure in thinking. Everyone is a mixed bag. So you have to repeatedly and consistently think bad thoughts and then eventually bad stuff will happen.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

But do they say you can choose it consciously? I know they say you choose your parents, but you obviously don't choose that "consciously" because you're already conceived by the time you have any you-consciousness. I've never thought death was something we get to choose from this vantage point.

I doubt that you really choose your parents in the sense "I will be born to the Jones family on 5th avenue". Abraham say that non-physical intentions are of a general nature, you choose vibrational patterns and that choice can send you to the Jones family on 5th avenue or to the Flintstones in Nicaragua. Again, it's not about content, it's not about the details. From a feeling point of view the lives of the Jones family and the Flintstones family might be exactly the same while from a manifestation point of view they could be worlds apart.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Angela

I have never come across any hint of either of these two things in anything I'd heard or read of them, so I just went searching on the Internet. I didn't find anything at all that substantiates either thing, but I did find this very fun video, in which Callum Blue, the actor who was in "The Tudors" and "Dead Like Me" asks about what to do about fear, and Abraham talks about not getting to fear in the first place - that is, fear is the result of a whole structure of thought that got you to that point, and it would be nice to recognize when you're doing that and choose thoughts that get you into the vortex, instead. I'm so glad I found this, it's perfect timing!

It's hard to dig up the exact recording again where they said that because they come up with personal details about Jerry and Esther on many topics. It should be on recordings from the late 90's.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

I am really amazed that anyone is amazed that Jerry Hicks died. Folks, he was in his eighties. "Eighty-Year-Old Dies of Cancer" .... Folks, does that really strike you as headline news? Even the Buddha died, even Jesus died, and Sai Baba, the modern miracle-maker of our times, died this year.

That's not the point. The point is that Jerry and Esther tried to prepave it, they wanted to go together and 100% healthy. And that didn't happen. That's why I called it a 'disaster'. They got exactly what they feared most.

And all of that is in stark contrast to what is usually said about Esther and Jerry, that you won't find 2 more people on the planet that are more in the vortex and in love with life than these two etc.
I always found these statements from Abraham extremely funny.

And now you might understand why some people just fell off their chairs when they heard about Jerry's cancer and his sudden death. Keep also in mind how they handled this situation (aka 'spider bite')!

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I think the idea would be that if someone is highly skilled at LoA, they'd be reasonably able to choose when they pass on. Of course we don't know what was going on in this man's mind, but we're assuming he wanted to live longer. I would imagine most people would like to live as long as possible in very good health and very good physical condition. So why did he die at age 80 instead of 90 or 100? The idea would be perhaps he had some strong beliefs that undermined his I/M capability to stay alive until age 90 . . . like nobody in his family had ever done so. That sort of thing.

Well, he said to Esther that he might cut out earlier. And he was already writing his memoirs for quite some time despite Abraham trying to convince him not to do so!

[Frisky]

Anyone who's ever had an OBE (like I have) or and NDE will tell you its better on the other side anyways. So it wouldnt come as too great a surprise if Jerry wasnt fighting his cancer too hard