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Old 11-16-2011, 05:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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When I first read about the Law of Attraction, one of things they said was not to thing in negation terms such as "Don't" Or "No." That the universe doesn't understand the words no, and don't.

So something like the affirmation "I have no fear." Would just make you more fearful.

So How do you prevent things you don't want to happen? If the terms No and don't won't work?
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Whatever you don't want to happen, make it and exact opposite and manifest that. Like in your example, "I have no fear", the exact opposite to that is "I am fearless" or "I have courage", or basically any statement that turns your attention from fear to courage. You see, when you mention "fear" in the statement, you naturally think more about fear. It's like a statement "Don't think about polar bear", it makes you think about polar bear, even if it says "don't". So basically, always make an opposite to what you don't want to happen and focus on that opposite.
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Whatever you don't want to happen, make it and exact opposite and manifest that. Like in your example, "I have no fear", the exact opposite to that is "I am fearless" or "I have courage", or basically any statement that turns your attention from fear to courage. You see, when you mention "fear" in the statement, you naturally think more about fear. It's like a statement "Don't think about polar bear", it makes you think about polar bear, even if it says "don't". So basically, always make an opposite to what you don't want to happen and focus on that opposite.
Thanks for the response, I was also wondering what you'd affirm if there isn't really a clear opposite, like, say you wanted a loved one to stop smoking, how would you go about that?
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When I first read about the Law of Attraction, one of things they said was not to thing in negation terms such as "Don't" Or "No." That the universe doesn't understand the words no, and don't.

So something like the affirmation "I have no fear." Would just make you more fearful.

So How do you prevent things you don't want to happen? If the terms No and don't won't work?
  • Don't think about what you don't want.
  • Focus and emotionalize on what you do want.
  • Build confidence in yourself and your self-esteem by achieving small "wins" throughout the day.
  • Think of the opposite of what you don't want and focus on achieving that.

What it really boils down to is the thoughts you think and the emotions you experience when you're affirming what you do or don't want to happen or come into your life.

For example, if you want to "get out of debt" the major focus you have is the negativity that's consuming you because of the debt, then this will only attract more debt into your life. If you want to get out of debt though to "become financially free," then such corresponding thoughts of wealth would be positive, empowering, and inspiring and would likely help you become financially free.

Ultimately, it is best though to have affirmations that are 100% positive (in terms of wording) and have no "negative" words included. (Use opposites as much as you can.) However, when you can't find a way to word it in a 100% positive way, just be wary of your thoughts when using certain affirmations, change the affirmation as needed, and this will help you out.

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I was also wondering what you'd affirm if there isn't really a clear opposite, like, say you wanted a loved one to stop smoking, how would you go about that?
Keep in mind that you cannot control the wants, actions, or manifestation of certain experiences/possessions for others. If I were the one who wanted to stop smoking, though, I may affirm something like:

"I am so happy and grateful now that I have strong, powerful lungs and an abundance of energy at all times." (In other words, benefits that stopping smoking will provide.)

Hope this helps! :)
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Your thread title and OP make me wonder why you focus on the negative to start with. Why are you so concerned with manifestating what you don't want and how to prevent that? Of all things about LOA, your attention is on the "don't say no" part. Why are you not enthusiastic about manifesting what you want instead of worrying about the negative LOA? You get it that you manifest what you focus on, right? So you go and focus on, wait for it, How Do You Prevent Things You Don't Want to Happen?

Think of what you want and makes you happy, as much and as often as possible. Dream, visualize, live it in your imagination until you can't help smiling. When you catch your thoughts going negative, say "delete, delete, delete" and think the opposite. It's like eating right. Fill up your stomach with good food and you have no room for the bad. Fill up your mind with happy positive thoughts so there's no room or time for fears and worries of bad things happening.

As for affirmation, it's conventional enough to phrase it opposite of what you don't want. I am one for the KISS system and like the simplest way of doing things. So I've devised a way to compose positive thoughts/affirmations. I think you've inspired me to start a thread to expound on it.
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Thanks for the responses.

I am a worrier, so the power kind of scares me. I'll worry about something, and then i'll worry that worrying about it will make it manifest.

It's a vicious circle. I find things manifest best when you don't really think of them, or anything. Which makes me worried that just thinking about something negative is going to make it manifest.

Do you think getting into the mindset of knowing they won't manifest help, or stop it?
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I am a worrier, so the power kind of scares me. I'll worry about something, and then i'll worry that worrying about it will make it manifest.
You need to break the worrying habit. It can definitely be done, and not only will you feel better when you're not wasting your time and energy worrying about stuff, once the habit is broken, you'll have much better awareness of where your energy is going and be better able to direct it toward the things you do want instead of squandering it in "what ifs" and "but thens" and "maybes".
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OK.. wow. Great question! I had a big issue with this when I first started with learning about the power of the intelligent use of attention. Apparently the universe does not hear a person say "no"? An all powerful universe that can deliver all your wishes to you doesn't hear the word "no"?! I call BS. (not on you but the theory) NLP co founder Richard Bandler said something to the effect.. "how are you going to give critical feedback without negations?" I understand the pink elephant argument. He invented pink elephants! What the opposite of a pink elephant? So we are supposed to think about antimatter? The LoA is about more of what you do want and less about what you don't. I will assume that the universal genie is intelligent and benevolent. However there is a thing that they don’t talk about in the LoA literature. Repulsion. Just as magnets attract, they repel. You can be do and have anything you want but you can't repel pink elephants. False! How to do it, I do not know. But it can be done. It can be done!

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GREAT question.......... Universe: I'll have one debate on this topic.. and a bag of your finest chips.

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Thanks for the responses.

I am a worrier, so the power kind of scares me. I'll worry about something, and then i'll worry that worrying about it will make it manifest.

It's a vicious circle. I find things manifest best when you don't really think of them, or anything. Which makes me worried that just thinking about something negative is going to make it manifest.

Do you think getting into the mindset of knowing they won't manifest help, or stop it?
My mother is a worrier like you and you know where she is now at 80? Unable to barely breathe to save her life....I DO believe 70% of that has been manifested into physical sickness over her lifetime of being a total worrier. Now is the time to stop doing that!
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In other words..
Quitting smoking is not the same thing as healthy lungs and lots of energy. Quitting smoking is quitting smoking. I should know. I quit smoking. Does saying that make me want to smoke? Nope!

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Thanks for the response, I was also wondering what you'd affirm if there isn't really a clear opposite, like, say you wanted a loved one to stop smoking, how would you go about that?
There really is a way to create an affirmative statement for every opposite one can think of. As a side issue, the point was raised earlier in this thread about manifesting things for others, and this tricky idea will be addressed below.

SMOKING-CESSATION AFFIRMATIONS BY ONE WHO SEEKS TO STOP SMOKING

Tackling the first issue first: how to create a positive, smoking-cessation affirmation? Easy! Here is but one example of multiple affirmations that could be used together, assuming the affirmations were being made by the smoker, not by you or some other third-party.
  • "I breathe only fresh air all the time, day in, day out, and feel wonderful!"
  • "My urges for breathing are to breathe only pure air all the time."
  • "My lungs are perfect and have healed from all prior breathing of any kind."

SMOKING-CESSATION AFFIRMATIONS BY NON-SMOKER, FOR THE BENEFIT OF ANOTHER WHO SMOKES

Now, tackling the second issue, as to whether one can create another's smoking cessation by affirmations, there is lively debate! From one perspective, doing so would "violate" another's free will and points of personal power, creativity, and responsibility.

However, another perspective disagrees, holding that we create all of our reality--including the people or illusions of people in our reality. Hence, from this metaphysical perspective, you would simply manifest or create the "alternate" reality in a different "dimension" with a different "version" of that person (your loved one) who used to smoke. In this regard, that person's "free will," "personal power," "creativity," and "responsiblity" have not been usurped or violated by you because, in that version or "probable self" of your loved one, he or she freely chose to stop smoking--you have just aligned your "new" reality with the "new" reality chosen by the probable self of your loved one who dropped smoking as a habit or never formed a smoking habit (depending on which alternate-version of your loved one you manifest).

This theory is not without some science-minded adherents. According to the "Many Worlds Theory" of quantum physics, there exists a reality for every probability not actualized by observation--which loosely translates into: there is exists a reality for every choice presented, but not selected (e.g., smoking v. not smoking)--separated by different "dimensions." Hence, there are alternate realities "out there," where your loved one chose not to smoke (ever), and also where, after choosing to smoke, your loved one quit smoking. In this regard, one is not really manifesting something for another, but for oneself; one is merely manifesting a different dimension where an alternative version of another person "shows up," by free will.

If you are interested in this discussion about the nature of personal reality, Seth (Jane Roberts) channeled a book by that title (The Nature of Personal Reality), and it is very provocative! Also of enormous fascination is Seth's book, The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events. In these books, Seth would say over and over and over again, "you form your own reality," and he said words to the effect, "each morning you walk out that door and you are literally in a new and different world--and I mean literally--but are none the wiser."

In any event, your set of affirmations to manifest such an "alternate" reality would be different from that above listed. Here, your multiple affirmations might be along the lines of:
  • "I have created a wonderful life where my closest friends, including [the person you want to stop smoking] choose only healthy habits with regard to the what they breathe."
  • "I form my own reality and the reality I have chosen is one where my closest friends, including [the person you want to stop smoking] breathe only fresh air all the time, day in, day out, and I feel wonderful about my reality!"
  • "I have created a reality where the only urges for breathing that are experienced by my closest friends, including [the person you want to stop smoking] are those to breathe only pure air all the time."
  • "I have created a reality where my closest friends, including [the person you want to stop smoking] have lungs that are perfect and have healed from all prior breathing of any kind."

FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE "FUTURE," IT ALL WORKED OUT PERFECTLY FOR YOU!
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Balbrae you bring up some very good points. I like the way you have crafted your intention however I still uphold that if I can be, do, have, anything I want in life.. anything, no exceptions. I can effectively repel, squash, cessation, extinguish smoking. (which I have already done) And therefore not be bound to attract it's opposite or not be forced to eliminate negations from my affirmations for my success. If I create my reality with my thoughts, I ultimately create the laws that govern my doings in reality. Therefore I develop my talent for repulsion and attraction and I get better and better at it. Another good point you mentioned was the fact that quantum navigation for lack of a better word, allows for free will to fit nicely into the equation. This is a beautiful idea. Basically when traversing dimensions it's one self that theoretically "arrives" at a "location" where so and so chose out of free will such and such. Therefore there is not that particular issue of ethics. I'm concerned about the crystallization of the LOA however into a creed just like the major religions had done. There is truth there but truth can be used for control. There will always be the unknown. There will always be something else to learn. LOA is not the ultimate answer. It is only one step in human evolution.

Peace be with you.
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How about manifesting Trust in others to make their own right choices and handle the consequences of them?

And Trust in yourself to handle the consequences and to make choices that have you feeling wonderful, regardless of other people's choices for themselves.
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When I first read about the Law of Attraction, one of things they said was not to thing in negation terms such as "Don't" Or "No." That the universe doesn't understand the words no, and don't.

So something like the affirmation "I have no fear." Would just make you more fearful.
Well, it is not so much that the universe doesn't understand "no", as it is that it just doesn't communicate in English. It communicates in vibrational resonance. Consciousness is attracted to similar consciousness (this is essentially what the "law of attraction" actually means).

Everything is consciousness. All realities are composed of patterns of consciousness. Essentially, whatever your consciousness -- your attention -- your awareness (which equals your vibrational offering or point of attraction) -- is, it attracts and is attracted to similar consciousness. I could be even more specific and say that distance or closeness in consciousness is measured in terms of the similarity or dissimilarity of such consciousness. Thus, if you are in perfect synchronization with any consciousness, you are aware of everything it is aware of too. You essentially become one with it.

Whatever you place your conscious attention on, you are beginning to come into vibrational alignment or resonance with. So when you say something like, "I have no fear" you are usually focused upon the fear. That is the dominant focus. Thus, you come into synchronization with it, little by little, which eventually culminates in undesirable manifestations. To be fair, it is possible that you could repeat such a phrase to yourself and not be thinking of fear, but it is unlikely, which is why such an affirmation is generally not wise, and why there is negative press for phrasing affirmations like that.

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So How do you prevent things you don't want to happen? If the terms No and don't won't work?
To overcome fear, you would have to find the feeling place of no fear, which is something like bravery, self confidence, or courage. Also, remember, your affirmations need not be verbal. You are affirming all the time, whether you realize it or not. Your thoughts that you think on a day to day basis are statements about reality. They are affirmations. They are shaped by even deeper thoughts most people call "beliefs", which are also statements about reality that you have practiced a lot.

You have to train your attention away from what you don't want, towards what you do want. At first it can seem hard, but its only because the old thought ways are so well traveled. You are used to going down those roads of consciousness. Traveling new roads of consciousness, or thought, takes more energy than you are accustomed to. At least, at first it does. After awhile, it becomes energy efficient too, and you will have trained yourself to a new habitual vibrational offering.

Good luck!
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Wow Anagogy. That's brilliant. You have allot of really practical wisdom. I'm afraid I do differ on a few things but not in a way that I would disagree but rather in a way that a scientist would say "why does it work this way?". It's a bit of a risk I take, so yeah I do feel a tinge of fear. But I feel clearer and more able to connect with spirit now that Ive been thinking in new ways. Thanks for your encouragement and caution. I really have enjoyed the intelligent discussion this site has to offer. All is well.
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Thought.

We often think in terms of "attracting" as if we were somehow creating or moving into an external state. A more productive way of thinking of it is that our primary sensory experience, the thing we call the objective world, is not something we attract to ourselves, it's something we remember in ourselves. We do not attract the thing, we attract the memory of the thing, which is the experience of the thing. To manifest is simply to remember in vivid detail.

We are the mind of God, exploring the brain of God, remembering his creation.
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Balbrae you bring up some very good points. I like the way you have crafted your intention however I still uphold that if I can be, do, have, anything I want in life.. anything, no exceptions. I can effectively repel, squash, cessation, extinguish smoking. (which I have already done) And therefore not be bound to attract it's opposite or not be forced to eliminate negations from my affirmations for my success. If I create my reality with my thoughts, I ultimately create the laws that govern my doings in reality. Therefore I develop my talent for repulsion and attraction and I get better and better at it. Another good point you mentioned was the fact that quantum navigation for lack of a better word, allows for free will to fit nicely into the equation. This is a beautiful idea. Basically when traversing dimensions it's one self that theoretically "arrives" at a "location" where so and so chose out of free will such and such. Therefore there is not that particular issue of ethics. I'm concerned about the crystallization of the LOA however into a creed just like the major religions had done. There is truth there but truth can be used for control. There will always be the unknown. There will always be something else to learn. LOA is not the ultimate answer. It is only one step in human evolution.

Peace be with you.
Local Robert: I think it's great that you can manifest by methods of attraction and repulsion. You are, in essence, saying that there is a Law of Attraction (LoA) and a Law of Repulsion (LoR). Who am I to argue with what works for you? I specifically recall that Abraham (Esther-Jerry Hicks) voiced a strong opinion on the matter, but who is to say that Abraham has a monopoly on that truth? Abraham stated that this Universe is geared in such a way as not to have an LoR, but an LoA. He specifically stated that one cannot repel an outcome, but merely draw it in. So, rather than think: "cancel that," one simply says "give me something else."

On the dimensional multiverses, I highly recommend you give some of the Seth (Jane Roberts) books a gander. I suspect you would be very interested in his belief system, mind you which began its transmission through Jane Roberts in the 1960s! This early publication cuts against any argument that Seth was merely copying other authors in a "New Age" movement because it pre-dated that time. Cheers.
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OK.. wow. Great question! I had a big issue with this when I first started with learning about the power of the intelligent use of attention. Apparently the universe does not hear a person say "no"? An all powerful universe that can deliver all your wishes to you doesn't hear the word "no"?! I call BS. (not on you but the theory)
There's the saying in LoA circles that "What you resist, persists." To say "No" to something, or to otherwise keep focusing on how you don't want it, is to resist it--which means it persists!

Focusing on the not-wanting of something is still focusing on it. And since you get what you focus on...

So (to use the OP's example) choosing to focus on having courage rather than a lack of fear will get a better result. Focusing on a wonderful, fulfilling job that you love works better than trying to manifest an escape from a job you hate. Holding the image of a loving relationship in which you feel so good and radiate such happiness that everyone around you notices works better than intending for the beloved who will banish your loneliness.
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Local Robert: I think it's great that you can manifest by methods of attraction and repulsion. You are, in essence, saying that there is a Law of Attraction (LoA) and a Law of Repulsion (LoR).
On the dimensional multiverses, I highly recommend you give some of the Seth (Jane Roberts) books a gander. I suspect you would be very interested in his belief system, mind you which began its transmission through Jane Roberts in the 1960s! This early publication cuts against any argument that Seth was merely copying other authors in a "New Age" movement because it pre-dated that time. Cheers.
Well.. hmm.. The LoR or "unmanifesting" is a new idea for me. Here is a bit of background. There is a Pagan and or Wiccan ritual (if I am not mistaken which I may be) called "The Lesser Banishing Ritual". So the LoR idea may not be without historical context. I did not nessisarily derive my ideas from that.

Magicalrealist. I'm not interested in accepting what others say as wrote. I'm more interested in finding what I think are loopholes or discontinuities in the consensus theories of LoA. When beliefs get fixed and rigid there is no growth and there is nothing to learn. Since LoA is so new in the public arena, it hasn't had time to turn into dogma. But it might if we do no not question these beliefs intelligently and with an ear to listen. It's a healthy dose of skepticism which is necessary for an unbiased opinion.
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Oh and thanks for the book tip Balbrae. I heard of the book and considered buying it. Perhaps!
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On the dimensional multiverses, I highly recommend you give some of the Seth (Jane Roberts) books a gander. I suspect you would be very interested in his belief system, mind you which began its transmission through Jane Roberts in the 1960s! This early publication cuts against any argument that Seth was merely copying other authors in a "New Age" movement because it pre-dated that time. Cheers.
I seriously hope you are not trying to say that there was no "New Age" movement until the 1960s. If you are, you are seriously misinformed. Even Neville was already teaching in the 1950s... on television. What we know today as the "New Age" movement is at least 100 years old and its roots go back God knows how far. I think Seth is tedious and quite honestly I have no idea why people find Jane's work so inspiring... it's horrible beyond measure.
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I seriously hope you are not trying to say that there was no "New Age" movement until the 1960s. If you are, you are seriously misinformed. Even Neville was already teaching in the 1950s... on television. What we know today as the "New Age" movement is at least 100 years old and its roots go back God knows how far. I think Seth is tedious and quite honestly I have no idea why people find Jane's work so inspiring... it's horrible beyond measure.
Hi, Lycan:

Thank you for your critique. Let's be clear here. The "New Age" movement has precursors, undoubtedly. In fact, why stop at "at least 100 years old"? The "New Age" movement could be seen as being far more than 100 years' old. The "New Thought Movement" was prevalent from the mid-to-late 1800s to about the 1930s. We could point to Edgar Cayce's works', of course. We could point to Carl Jung, as well. If we go further back in time and wanted to argue about whether something qualified as precursors to the "New Age" or "New Thought" Movements, we could find roots in many belief systems and philosophies, including Paganism, Christianity, Christian Mysticism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

One could also credit quantum physics and its roots (dating back to the late 1830s and work done by Michael Faraday) through the work of Planck, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, and Einstein--to name but a few--for having ideas in harmony with the "New Age" and "New Thought" Movements and its precursors (e.g., ideas concerning "an observer-created reality" (a very Buddhist thought), "beliefs forming reality", and the "Many Worlds Theory").

When I referred to "New Age" in my post, I was referring to the era of its most modern popularization, roughly beginning in the mid-1970s, as an outgrowth of the 1960s' counter-culture movement. For example, The New Age Journal periodical, founded in 1974, accelerated the growth of "occult" bookstores and the like (which, incidently, is where I could find Seth books). There was a heightened or renewed interest in Tarot, Crystals, TM, out-of-body experiences, and alternate states of consciousness. But we could quibble about the mid-1970s as being the start of the most modern period of this movement, pointing out that in the early 1960s the Esalen Institute was founded in Big Sur, California.

As to your comment about one being seriously misinformed, I believe that people who use that phrase often fail to reflect on its relative meaning: we are all misinformed, about many things--even things about which we are most informed. A phrase used by Mark Twain and Benjamin Disraeli underscores this point: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." I argue for a living, and I find that reasonable minds will differ on many, many things. Unless I am speaking to a jury or a judge--when I am expected to be an advocate--seldom do I engage in posturing my position as the "informed" position or cast aspersions on others for being "seriously misinformed." As Abraham would say, "what is truth?" Abraham observed that truth is simply what someone first believed, observed, then attracted more of, under the LoA, then observed more of, believed more about, attracted more of under the LoA, and so on and so on. Hence, "I'll see it when I believe it" is a wise phrase. As to the timelines of the "New Age" Movement, reasonable minds could certainly differ, and I will refrain from suggesting that you are seriously misinformed. I might go so far as to say, "you make good observations!"

To my main point: Seth's books are truly remarkable, and they are credited by prominent people for being so. For example, if I am not mistaken, I recall that on the book cover of Seth Speaks or The Seth Material, Richard Bach (author of Illusions and Jonathon Livingston Seagull) praised the material along the following lines: "Quite Simply One of the Best Books I've Ever Read." I would certainly agree with you that Seth's style is very technical (you call it tedious). I like that style. Here is why. It riveted me! I liked that he did not use platitudes or pie-in-the-sky, abstract, gooey language. He also took issues on, without worrying about how it might be perceived.

Let me give you a few examples. First, Seth once said that he seldom used the word "love" in his teachings because he claimed that word was so misunderstood by the masses, to the point where it was reduced in meaning to some syrupy-gobbledygook term. He defined the term love in a way that I considered somewhat striking, words to the effect: "Love is the psychic gel that holds the Universe together." Second, Seth discussed Jesus and Buddha in interesting ways. He said that Jesus was an historical person, but not in our dimension--yet, so powerful was Jesus in his influence on the masses that it "rippled" through our dimension such that we record him in our history books, where he never occurred. That is radical. Also, he was very disdainful of the Buddha (also very radical), claiming, "one would do well to run from Buddha." He explained his reasoning for this, but such is not important for my example. Third, he had this elaborate--perhaps kooky?--explanation of how we project reality with our minds by resort to a term he used called "consciousness units." At any rate, I say I think it is great that this material was published, beginning in the early 1960s, to indicate that he did not have at his disposal a lot of post-1970s technology and theory to borrow from. For example, Mike Dooley (whom I like) borrows from Seth, and only loosely credits Seth in passing of having been exposed to Seth. Mike Dooley borrowed the psychic-gel-holds-the-universe-together definition of "love." That is not to say that Seth could not have borrowed some of his ideas from earlier sources (e.g., Charles Hannel). Yet, Seth is refreshing in his ideas and delivery. He is not a repackaged, positive-think speaker. However, reasonable minds will differ, and you are entitled to your opinion. If you care to share, I am curious: what Seth books have you read?

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Hi, Lycan:

Thank you for your critique. Let's be clear here. The "New Age" movement has precursors, undoubtedly. In fact, why stop at "at least 100 years old"? The "New Age" movement could be seen as being far more than 100 years' old. The "New Thought Movement" was prevalent from the mid-to-late 1800s to about the 1930s. We could point to Edgar Cayce's works', of course. We could point to Carl Jung, as well. If we go further back in time and wanted to argue about whether something qualified as precursors to the "New Age" or "New Thought" Movements, we could find roots in many belief systems and philosophies, including Paganism, Christianity, Christian Mysticism, Hinduism, and Buddhism.

One could also credit quantum physics and its roots (dating back to the late 1830s and work done by Michael Faraday) through the work of Planck, Heisenberg, Schrodinger, and Einstein--to name but a few--for having ideas in harmony with the "New Age" and "New Thought" Movements and its precursors (e.g., ideas concerning "an observer-created reality" (a very Buddhist thought), "beliefs forming reality", and the "Many Worlds Theory").

When I referred to "New Age" in my post, I was referring to the era of its most modern popularization, roughly beginning in the mid-1970s, as an outgrowth of the 1960s' counter-culture movement. For example, The New Age Journal periodical, founded in 1974, accelerated the growth of "occult" bookstores and the like (which, incidently, is where I could find Seth books). There was a heightened or renewed interest in Tarot, Crystals, TM, out-of-body experiences, and alternate states of consciousness. But we could quibble about the mid-1970s as being the start of the most modern period of this movement, pointing out that in the early 1960s the Esalen Institute was founded in Big Sur, California.

As to your comment about one being seriously misinformed, I believe that people who use that phrase often fail to reflect on its relative meaning: we are all misinformed, about many things--even things about which we are most informed. A phrase used by Mark Twain and Benjamin Disraeli underscores this point: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." I argue for a living, and I find that reasonable minds will differ on many, many things. Unless I am speaking to a jury or a judge--when I am expected to be an advocate--seldom do I engage in posturing my position as the "informed" position or cast aspersions on others for being "seriously misinformed." As Abraham would say, "what is truth?" Abraham observed that truth is simply what someone first believed, observed, then attracted more of, under the LoA, then observed more of, believed more about, attracted more of under the LoA, and so on and so on. Hence, "I'll see it when I believe it" is a wise phrase. As to the timelines of the "New Age" Movement, reasonable minds could certainly differ, and I will refrain from suggesting that you are seriously misinformed. I might go so far as to say, "you make good observations!"
Lol... dude, that is some serious overkill there. A simple "relax, that was not what I was trying to say" would have sufficed!

Oh right, I forgot you are a lawyer!

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Lol... dude, that is some serious overkill there. A simple "relax, that was not what I was trying to say" would have sufficed!

Oh right, I forgot you are a lawyer!

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Balbrae: It's a good thing we are on a site intended for personal development and not verbal bullying. It's also a good thing that like minded people (like me and you) can have a normal civilized conversation without one-up-man-ship.
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I had an interesting experience today with this. All week I've been trying to manifest more money while at the same time meaning to sort out december finances

finally looked at the calendar etc today, felt utterly overwhelmed, clueless, trapped by worrying how to cover all this yuletide crap...created a row with hub and had a good cry. \Then I looked at all these expenses and the clouds cleared. Suddenly I did not care, I really saw that all we need is food to eat. It was beautifully liberating.

Then I open my email and one of my clients has work for me and he transfers the money by lunchtime.

So what happened? First, I was unable to stop consciously focusing on lack. I seemingly unintentionally ramped up the emotions, felt the pain then let it all go.

Once I was in that state it was then easy to detach from the worry about what I don't want. Then it was amatter of an hour before the money started showing up.

To me it's important to face that fear, own the feeling etc and go beyond it - realise that the need for money (or worry about smoking - whatever) is actually not important (we are all infinite beings). It's taken me a while and much pondering re reality to be able to let go as I did this morning. But it's avery interesting and enriching experience

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I suppose in a nutshell you need to reach the point where you see what's worrying you as immaterial. My route was to look at subjective reality and realise I have created everything in my life, perhaps for challenge (seen from my infinite self's POV).

This in itself can be very painful (eg did I really create that job where I got physically attacked every week by a cleint? Yes...ouch! and ouch on every single level) - but it puts the other worries into perspective.

and once you can at least say "It's possible I created all that" then you are open to reversing today's ego based fear and pain and turning into power.
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This is the first part that I really mastered. I became aware that if I do not get emotionally and intellectually involved in those subconscious, habitual, programmed flashes of negative images, feelings, thoughts, when they appear, they:
1. Become more and more rare
2. They happen less and less
3. After a while they don't happen at all anymore
Or if it's about something that I fear might happen (because it seems obvious/logical/natural that it will happen) I just stop thinking and feeling about it at anytime I surprise myself doing it. Fear will throw things at you but if you don't put in some effort to give life and energy to those fear based ideas, it doesn't matter. It doesn't stick, it doesn't happen.

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