Manifesting A Different Past

[Balbrae]

Visualization under the LoA often involves one manipulating his or her thought impressions about time: Fake the present, as it if were the future that occurred in the past. Example: A farmer visualizes in the present time that his future crops have already grown to be beautiful and healthy in the past. Here the intended goal is to effect this desired outcome in the future, by convincing the mind of its certainty, by convincing the mind it has already occurred in the past.

So if the goal is simply to bombard oneself with a sense of realism concerning a fake event that did not occur, can this mental trick be used for past events, as opposed to future events? Strangely enough, Seth (Jane Roberts) once stated that the past could be changed! This had to do with Seth's observation that time is simultaneous. I guess for Seth, if one could evolve into a probable self of the "future," one could devolve into a counter-part of the "past" (at the point in "time," where a branch of one's, earlier, probable self had first split off from one's then-actualized self). In perhaps a related vein, at the quantum physics level, the movement of subatomic particles does not reveal the "arrow of time," where the movement of particles observed can occur in a "forward" or "reverse" direction.

Here is the point: for those of us who wish we got started on a project earlier in life (to maximize the advantages arising from the accumulation of "time"), why can't we simply manifest a different past? If time is truly "simultaneous," as Seth insists that it is, and if we can manipulate the "future" by playing with it in the present moment, then why can't we manipulate the "past" by playing with it in the present moment, as well? I suspect that, in some cases, that is how faith-healing miracles might occur. A person becomes "healed" by changing their past, such that the disease never "occurred." Lesser examples of how this principle might be applied would include somebody manifesting an earlier "past" of learning to play the guitar. In such a scenario, one would develop "advanced" playing skills, beyond the normal pace of development, in a short amount of "real world" time, simply because they got an "earlier" start. I am reminded that some believe that child-prodigy musicians got a "head start" on their skills in a prior life (reincarnation).

I might try to manifest a different "past" to create a better "present" and "future." Obviously, we can't change the record books, but we might be able to change our internal clocks, our subjective experiences, and, hence, our objective abilities. It's worth a shot. Has anyone had success with manifesting a different past? I suspect some of you have.

[Balbrae]

This just dawned on me: every time we "get over" something unpleasant that has occurred, we manifest a different past.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Balbrae

This just dawned on me: every time we "get over" something unpleasant that has occurred, we manifest a different past.

I agree, actually. Although, I perceive it as manifesting a different present, by changing perception of the past.

I've also had success with "deflating" or "withdrawing energy" from certain memories and past events. I go into the memory and then consciously and deliberately draw the energy out of it until it collapses. Once that happens, it doesn't bother me any more, and the present is changed, sometimes subtly, sometimes more obviously. In some cases, others who were involved in or a witness to the events of that memory seem to have no recollection of it, which is kinda freaky, but, hey, whatever works.

The thing is, time is an illusion. This isn't some sort of new age mumbo jumbo, but physics, as well as my personal experience and perception. It FEELS like there's a "past" and a "future" and a "present", but it's really all simultaneous. It's hard to conceptualise, and even harder to describe, but when I'm still and I look, I see and experience it directly. Einstein knew what he was talking about. Time is as much an illusion as space.

[Bradshaw]

I've done this. I've erased a certain memory from my past.

Be warned: It works, and it works very, very well. Use with caution.

When I try to recall the event which I erased from my past, I can't recall it anymore. I have incredible difficulty recalling it--it's like the memory isn't really a memory, but a fantasy.

It's like it never happened.

It produces no emotional charge anymore, and doesn't produce anything at all, really.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

When I try to recall the event which I erased from my past, I can't recall it anymore. I have incredible difficulty recalling it--it's like the memory isn't really a memory, but a fantasy.

It's like it never happened.

It produces no emotional charge anymore, and doesn't produce anything at all, really.

Yes, that's my experience.

When I first started experimenting with this process, I would record memories prior to going through the erasure process, and when I'd read it later I'd think, "Well, I have no memory of this, so it must have worked...."

Don't use this process on anything you think you might need to recall later!

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

I've done this. I've erased a certain memory from my past.

Be warned: It works, and it works very, very well. Use with caution.

When I try to recall the event which I erased from my past, I can't recall it anymore. I have incredible difficulty recalling it--it's like the memory isn't really a memory, but a fantasy.

It's like it never happened.

It produces no emotional charge anymore, and doesn't produce anything at all, really.

Me too. There was also an object associated with my memory that has disappeared. I remember remembering that I had it, if that makes sense, but other than that...

[Moriarty]

Dont the mentally unstable and eccentrics do this without working at it? Their minds create all sorts of events that they believe actually happened.

Also dont shrinks and therapists do the same exercise by retraining and hopefully re-wiring the brain to produce new and better thoughts?

Good OP though!

[Balbrae]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

I agree, actually. Although, I perceive it as manifesting a different present, by changing perception of the past.

I've also had success with "deflating" or "withdrawing energy" from certain memories and past events. I go into the memory and then consciously and deliberately draw the energy out of it until it collapses. Once that happens, it doesn't bother me any more, and the present is changed, sometimes subtly, sometimes more obviously. In some cases, others who were involved in or a witness to the events of that memory seem to have no recollection of it, which is kinda freaky, but, hey, whatever works.

The thing is, time is an illusion. This isn't some sort of new age mumbo jumbo, but physics, as well as my personal experience and perception. It FEELS like there's a "past" and a "future" and a "present", but it's really all simultaneous. It's hard to conceptualise, and even harder to describe, but when I'm still and I look, I see and experience it directly. Einstein knew what he was talking about. Time is as much an illusion as space.

Great insight and suggestions, Butterfly Woman. I tried your memory-erase trick and report success in that the emotional charge associated with Person X abated significantly. As you relate, this occurred after I did 4 or 5 different variations of affirmations along the lines of: "I have no memory of trying to befriend/being disappointed by/being mad at/competing with/feeling insecure about this person called X." Wow. Just passed that person in the hallway at work at lunchtime, and: Nothing! I felt nothing! Which is great! I guess because I have no adverse memories about this person, like I used to have. Or if the memories are there still, they are strippped of their angst.

[Sandstone]

Originally Posted by Balbrae

This just dawned on me: every time we "get over" something unpleasant that has occurred, we manifest a different past.

That's profound.

[waizen]

I'm not so sure that erasing the past is directly possible.

You see, only the present exists. There is no past and no future. Once the future arrives, it's in the present. Only the plans for future events exist (in the present). The past does not exist, except in memories which exist...in the present.

You may be successfully erasing memory in the physical brain, but it is still happening in the present.

Having said all this, now that I think of it, if you could actually erase, or alter, the past, you would also automatically erase or alter the memory of it ever having existed in the first place. It would be as if the previous version of the past never existed. You would not have any recollection at all of even having had an alternate past. Heck, we could all be having all sorts of alternate pasts at every moment but we would never know it. And, all of that would be happening...you guessed it...in the present.

If you actually feel that you have altered your past, then you are also having some kind of memory of it having been there at some point. In that case, all you did was block your physical mind's memory of it...not directly altered it.

When we all manifest, we are manifesting our present...not our future. Our present state of vibration.

So, if it is possible to alter your 'past', then what you are doing is altering your present's version of your 'past'. But, again, it is still just all happening in the here and now. You cannot get around that.

I'm getting dizzy.

[Balbrae]

Originally Posted by waizen

I'm not so sure that erasing the past is directly possible.

You see, only the present exists. There is no past and no future. Once the future arrives, it's in the present. Only the plans for future events exist (in the present). The past does not exist, except in memories which exist...in the present.

You may be successfully erasing memory in the physical brain, but it is still happening in the present.

Having said all this, now that I think of it, if you could actually erase, or alter, the past, you would also automatically erase or alter the memory of it ever having existed in the first place. It would be as if the previous version of the past never existed. You would not have any recollection at all of even having had an alternate past. Heck, we could all be having all sorts of alternate pasts at every moment but we would never know it. And, all of that would be happening...you guessed it...in the present.

If you actually feel that you have altered your past, then you are also having some kind of memory of it having been there at some point. In that case, all you did was block your physical mind's memory of it...not directly altered it.

When we all manifest, we are manifesting our present...not our future. Our present state of vibration.

So, if it is possible to alter your 'past', then what you are doing is altering your present's version of your 'past'. But, again, it is still just all happening in the here and now. You cannot get around that.

I'm getting dizzy.

Hi, Waizen:

I can see your perspective. Logic tells us there are certain paradoxes implicated by the notion of changing one's "past." That is, perhaps, why the notion is intriguing. But there is an internal logic to Seth's proposition, if you accept certain premises:

(1) Time is Simultaneous;

(2) Everything is Occurring at the Same Time;

(3) There is no "past", "present," or "future," but only the illusion of such; and

(4) With every decision a person makes, he or she "sends off" an alternate

self into a different dimension, where that alternate self actualizes the other

choices that once confronted you, i.e., it pursued the paths "you" didn't

take. So, for example, you choose to go to Harvard, not MIT, when both

were offered to you. Your alternate self then goes to MIT, in a different

dimension. In this regard, Seth's view is in harmony with the "Many Worlds

Theory" of quantum physics;

(5) All of one's alternative selves exist at the same "time," separated only by

dimension.

One thing that Seth said, which has always stuck with me is this: when you dream, your alternate selves give you feedback about your alternate lives in these alternate dimensions. This gives you information about your paths "not taken" in this dimension, and can give you certain feelings and intuitions about what you might do to change your choices in this dimension. An example that likely applies to me is this: for many years I was a drifting soul, and I came close to going to law school in the late 1980s. Now, I suppose many alternate selves of mine took the paths not taken by me, and went to study law. Six years later, I was so fed up with my poverty that I became infused with very strong emotion and confidence I had never felt before. I became aware of my abundant choices to alleviate that deprivation. So I changed course and joined my counterparts, pursuing the practice of law. That poverty has ended, and one might consider that my alternate selves helped me out by saying to me, "c'mon, you idiot, open your refrigerator and see some food in there for a change! We did this here on our side of the universe. We're you! You can do this! What are you suffering for? What are you waiting for?"

In a way related to you are saying, Waizen, regarding the issue of erasing memories, we can consider the notion of manifesting past realities. Because I can remember the story line here, I should be assured that I did not "become" an alternate self before it peeled off from "me" in the "past." Because I can remember my story of waiting to go to lawschool, I couldn't have possibly merged with the "me" that went six years earlier. Accordingly, I was simply informed by the choices of my alternate lives and chose to model this life after them. I did not become that past, alternate self.

However, here is the tricky part: I might have merged with "this" life of mine from the "future," and be none the wiser (because I have no memory of it). That is to say, rather than modeling myself after an alternate self, my "future" self just merged with an alternate self in the "past"--the part that is me here and now. So, a "part" of my life that I experience was once an alternate life, and my alternate self from the future self liked "my" version of life better, such that he accessed his "past" to reach "me" (as an alternate, past self) and co-opted or merged with "me," and neither of us knows of this occurrence, from our normal perspective.

Seth was convinced that we could change our past. So if, instead of modeling our behavior on the example set by our alternate selves (based on the feedback we received in the dream state), we chose to simply become that alternate self, how would we know we did that? We would have no memory of it. Seth used to say over and over again: you form your own reality. He once said, when you walk out that door in the morning, every morning, it is literally a new world out there, and you are none the wiser!

I have created a diagram and will post it below (in another post), to illustrate this. The diagram compares two alternate selves of me and "me" in a time line.

[Balbrae]

I just had a memory flash about this very point. I seem to recall that Seth once told Robert Butts (husband of Jane Roberts) that a scientist from another dimension intended to--or was likely to-- "break through" some sort of dimensional or timeline barrier to make contact with Robert Butts. Seth seemed somewhat enthused by the prospect, explaining that this would be a significant achievement or a momentus occasion in the life of Robert Butts. Finally, if memory serves me right, I think Robert Butts later reported that the Scientist's "experiment" or effort to break through the barrier did not work out, and the scientist did not contact Robert Butts, after all.

So who knows? Maybe we are all an amalgam of probable selves "reabsorbed" back into our main selves, through inter-dimensional "time" travel.

[Balbrae]

Originally Posted by Balbrae

There is an internal logic to Seth's proposition that one can change their past, if you accept certain premises:

(1) Time is Simultaneous;

(2) Everything is Occurring at the Same Time;

(3) There is no "past", "present," or "future," but only the illusion of such; and

(4) With every decision a person makes, he or she "sends off" an alternate

self into a different dimension, where that alternate self actualizes the other

choices that once confronted you, i.e., it pursued the paths "you" didn't

take. So, for example, you choose to go to Harvard, not MIT, when both

were offered to you. Your alternate self then goes to MIT, in a different

dimension. In this regard, Seth's view is in harmony with the "Many Worlds

Theory" of quantum physics;

(5) All of one's alternative selves exist at the same "time," separated only by

dimension.

One thing that Seth said, which has always stuck with me is this: when you dream, your alternate selves give you feedback about your alternate lives in these alternate dimensions. This gives you information about your paths "not taken" in this dimension, and can give you certain feelings and intuitions about what you might do to change your choices in this dimension. An example that likely applies to me is this: for many years I was a drifting soul, and I came close to going to law school in the late 1980s. Now, I suppose many alternate selves of mine took the paths not taken by me, and went to study law. Six years later, I was so fed up with my poverty that I became infused with very strong emotion and confidence I had never felt before. I became aware of my abundant choices to alleviate that deprivation. So I changed course and joined my counterparts, pursuing the practice of law. That poverty has ended, and one might consider that my alternate selves helped me out by saying to me, "c'mon, you idiot, open your refrigerator and see some food in there for a change! We did this here on our side of the universe. We're you! You can do this! What are you suffering for? What are you waiting for?"

In a way related to the issue of erasing memories, we can consider the notion of manifesting past realities. Because I can remember the story line here, I should be assured that I did not "become" an alternate self before it peeled off from "me" in the "past." Because I can remember my story of waiting to go to lawschool, I couldn't have possibly merged with the "me" that went six years earlier. Accordingly, I was simply informed by the choices of my alternate lives and chose to model this life after them. I did not become that past, alternate self.

However, here is the tricky part: I might have merged with "this" life of mine from the "future," and be none the wiser (because I have no memory of it). That is to say, rather than modeling myself after an alternate self, my "future" self just merged with an alternate self in the "past"--the part that is me here and now. So, a "part" of my life that I experience was once an alternate life, and my alternate self from the future self liked "my" version of life better, such that he accessed his "past" to reach "me" (as an alternate, past self) and co-opted or merged with "me," and neither of us knows of this occurrence, from our normal perspective.

Seth was convinced that we could change our past. So if, instead of modeling our behavior on the example set by our alternate selves (based on the feedback we received in the dream state), we chose to simply become that alternate self, how would we know we did that? We would have no memory of it. Seth used to say over and over again: you form your own reality. He once said, when you walk out that door in the morning, every morning, it is literally a new world out there, and you are none the wiser!

I have created a diagram and post it below, to illustrate how this might play out. The diagram compares two alternate selves of me and "me" in a time line.

[lycan]

Neville Goddard constantly talked about this. He called it "Revision". It is the forgiveness of sins. One example he gave was of an old woman who had lived her whole life with back pain due to a childhood injury. She used his technique to relive the moment without the accident. The pain went away.

I'm currently testing this technique to change my height. I remember a time in my late teens when I was measured and I insert the height I want into the memory.

Neville's explanation is that man is a four dimensional being. That is, his past and future exist at once. His future is pre-determined by this. Man can alter his future or past by the time travelling mechanism known as "imagination", in which he changes himself to transform the pre-determined future or past. He teaches people how to focus away from the senses and into the imagination to focus its power. Neville is a billion times clearer, more practical and more inspiring than Seth. Try him.

Obviously, we can't change the record books,

Why do you find that obvious?