Manifesting A Different Past
 

Visualization under the LoA often involves one manipulating his or her thought impressions about time: Fake the present, as it if were the future that occurred in the past. Example: A farmer visualizes in the present time that his future crops have already grown to be beautiful and healthy in the past. Here the intended goal is to effect this desired outcome in the future, by convincing the mind of its certainty, by convincing the mind it has already occurred in the past.

So if the goal is simply to bombard oneself with a sense of realism concerning a fake event that did not occur, can this mental trick be used for past events, as opposed to future events? Strangely enough, Seth (Jane Roberts) once stated that the past could be changed! This had to do with Seth's observation that time is simultaneous. I guess for Seth, if one could evolve into a probable self of the "future," one could devolve into a counter-part of the "past" (at the point in "time," where a branch of one's, earlier, probable self had first split off from one's then-actualized self). In perhaps a related vein, at the quantum physics level, the movement of subatomic particles does not reveal the "arrow of time," where the movement of particles observed can occur in a "forward" or "reverse" direction.

Here is the point: for those of us who wish we got started on a project earlier in life (to maximize the advantages arising from the accumulation of "time"), why can't we simply manifest a different past? If time is truly "simultaneous," as Seth insists that it is, and if we can manipulate the "future" by playing with it in the present moment, then why can't we manipulate the "past" by playing with it in the present moment, as well? I suspect that, in some cases, that is how faith-healing miracles might occur. A person becomes "healed" by changing their past, such that the disease never "occurred." Lesser examples of how this principle might be applied would include somebody manifesting an earlier "past" of learning to play the guitar. In such a scenario, one would develop "advanced" playing skills, beyond the normal pace of development, in a short amount of "real world" time, simply because they got an "earlier" start. I am reminded that some believe that child-prodigy musicians got a "head start" on their skills in a prior life (reincarnation).

I might try to manifest a different "past" to create a better "present" and "future." Obviously, we can't change the record books, but we might be able to change our internal clocks, our subjective experiences, and, hence, our objective abilities. It's worth a shot. Has anyone had success with manifesting a different past? I suspect some of you have.

This just dawned on me: every time we "get over" something unpleasant that has occurred, we manifest a different past. ;)

I agree, actually. Although, I perceive it as manifesting a different present, by changing perception of the past.

I've also had success with "deflating" or "withdrawing energy" from certain memories and past events. I go into the memory and then consciously and deliberately draw the energy out of it until it collapses. Once that happens, it doesn't bother me any more, and the present is changed, sometimes subtly, sometimes more obviously. In some cases, others who were involved in or a witness to the events of that memory seem to have no recollection of it, which is kinda freaky, but, hey, whatever works.

The thing is, time is an illusion. This isn't some sort of new age mumbo jumbo, but physics, as well as my personal experience and perception. It FEELS like there's a "past" and a "future" and a "present", but it's really all simultaneous. It's hard to conceptualise, and even harder to describe, but when I'm still and I look, I see and experience it directly. Einstein knew what he was talking about. Time is as much an illusion as space.

I've done this. I've erased a certain memory from my past.

Be warned: It works, and it works very, very well. Use with caution.

When I try to recall the event which I erased from my past, I can't recall it anymore. I have incredible difficulty recalling it--it's like the memory isn't really a memory, but a fantasy.

It's like it never happened.

It produces no emotional charge anymore, and doesn't produce anything at all, really.

Yes, that's my experience.

When I first started experimenting with this process, I would record memories prior to going through the erasure process, and when I'd read it later I'd think, "Well, I have no memory of this, so it must have worked...."

Don't use this process on anything you think you might need to recall later! ;)

Great insight and suggestions, Butterfly Woman. I tried your memory-erase trick and report success in that the emotional charge associated with Person X abated significantly. As you relate, this occurred after I did 4 or 5 different variations of affirmations along the lines of: "I have no memory of trying to befriend/being disappointed by/being mad at/competing with/feeling insecure about this person called X." Wow. Just passed that person in the hallway at work at lunchtime, and: Nothing! I felt nothing! Which is great! I guess because I have no adverse memories about this person, like I used to have. Or if the memories are there still, they are strippped of their angst.

That's profound. :)

I'm not so sure that erasing the past is directly possible.

You see, only the present exists. There is no past and no future. Once the future arrives, it's in the present. Only the plans for future events exist (in the present). The past does not exist, except in memories which exist...in the present.

You may be successfully erasing memory in the physical brain, but it is still happening in the present.

Having said all this, now that I think of it, if you could actually erase, or alter, the past, you would also automatically erase or alter the memory of it ever having existed in the first place. It would be as if the previous version of the past never existed. You would not have any recollection at all of even having had an alternate past. Heck, we could all be having all sorts of alternate pasts at every moment but we would never know it. And, all of that would be happening...you guessed it...in the present.

If you actually feel that you have altered your past, then you are also having some kind of memory of it having been there at some point. In that case, all you did was block your physical mind's memory of it...not directly altered it.

When we all manifest, we are manifesting our present...not our future. Our present state of vibration.

So, if it is possible to alter your 'past', then what you are doing is altering your present's version of your 'past'. But, again, it is still just all happening in the here and now. You cannot get around that.

I'm getting dizzy.

Me too. There was also an object associated with my memory that has disappeared. I remember remembering that I had it, if that makes sense, but other than that...

Dont the mentally unstable and eccentrics do this without working at it? Their minds create all sorts of events that they believe actually happened.

Also dont shrinks and therapists do the same exercise by retraining and hopefully re-wiring the brain to produce new and better thoughts?

Good OP though! :)

Hi, Waizen:

I can see your perspective. Logic tells us there are certain paradoxes implicated by the notion of changing one's "past." That is, perhaps, why the notion is intriguing. But there is an internal logic to Seth's proposition, if you accept certain premises:

(1) Time is Simultaneous;

(2) Everything is Occurring at the Same Time;

(3) There is no "past", "present," or "future," but only the illusion of such; and

(4) With every decision a person makes, he or she "sends off" an alternate

self into a different dimension, where that alternate self actualizes the other

choices that once confronted you, i.e., it pursued the paths "you" didn't

take. So, for example, you choose to go to Harvard, not MIT, when both

were offered to you. Your alternate self then goes to MIT, in a different

dimension. In this regard, Seth's view is in harmony with the "Many Worlds

Theory" of quantum physics;

(5) All of one's alternative selves exist at the same "time," separated only by

dimension.

One thing that Seth said, which has always stuck with me is this: when you dream, your alternate selves give you feedback about your alternate lives in these alternate dimensions. This gives you information about your paths "not taken" in this dimension, and can give you certain feelings and intuitions about what you might do to change your choices in this dimension. An example that likely applies to me is this: for many years I was a drifting soul, and I came close to going to law school in the late 1980s. Now, I suppose many alternate selves of mine took the paths not taken by me, and went to study law. Six years later, I was so fed up with my poverty that I became infused with very strong emotion and confidence I had never felt before. I became aware of my abundant choices to alleviate that deprivation. So I changed course and joined my counterparts, pursuing the practice of law. That poverty has ended, and one might consider that my alternate selves helped me out by saying to me, "c'mon, you idiot, open your refrigerator and see some food in there for a change! We did this here on our side of the universe. We're you! You can do this! What are you suffering for? What are you waiting for?"

In a way related to you are saying, Waizen, regarding the issue of erasing memories, we can consider the notion of manifesting past realities. Because I can remember the story line here, I should be assured that I did not "become" an alternate self before it peeled off from "me" in the "past." Because I can remember my story of waiting to go to lawschool, I couldn't have possibly merged with the "me" that went six years earlier. Accordingly, I was simply informed by the choices of my alternate lives and chose to model this life after them. I did not become that past, alternate self.

However, here is the tricky part: I might have merged with "this" life of mine from the "future," and be none the wiser (because I have no memory of it). That is to say, rather than modeling myself after an alternate self, my "future" self just merged with an alternate self in the "past"--the part that is me here and now. So, a "part" of my life that I experience was once an alternate life, and my alternate self from the future self liked "my" version of life better, such that he accessed his "past" to reach "me" (as an alternate, past self) and co-opted or merged with "me," and neither of us knows of this occurrence, from our normal perspective.

Seth was convinced that we could change our past. So if, instead of modeling our behavior on the example set by our alternate selves (based on the feedback we received in the dream state), we chose to simply become that alternate self, how would we know we did that? We would have no memory of it. Seth used to say over and over again: you form your own reality. He once said, when you walk out that door in the morning, every morning, it is literally a new world out there, and you are none the wiser!

I have created a diagram and will post it below (in another post), to illustrate this. The diagram compares two alternate selves of me and "me" in a time line.

I just had a memory flash about this very point. I seem to recall that Seth once told Robert Butts (husband of Jane Roberts) that a scientist from another dimension intended to--or was likely to-- "break through" some sort of dimensional or timeline barrier to make contact with Robert Butts. Seth seemed somewhat enthused by the prospect, explaining that this would be a significant achievement or a momentus occasion in the life of Robert Butts. Finally, if memory serves me right, I think Robert Butts later reported that the Scientist's "experiment" or effort to break through the barrier did not work out, and the scientist did not contact Robert Butts, after all.

So who knows? Maybe we are all an amalgam of probable selves "reabsorbed" back into our main selves, through inter-dimensional "time" travel.

It's incredibly trippy to alter the past.

Basically, you have this memory, and you recall it just about every day.

At some point, you decide to erase it.

Then you go months, even years, without remembering it even once. The triggers that used to trigger the memory just don't trigger it anymore. Nothing reminds you of it until somebody actually mentions it very specifically. (Or you talk about memory wipes you've done to yourself, and suddenly you remember :p).

And then when you to try to tell people that same event which you had perfect memory of and could recall everyday?

You can barely remember it. It's fuzzy, like a dream, or a fantasy. It's like it never happened.

It's really, really amazing.

I've found that in at least some cases, nobody else seems to remember the event or they never, ever mention it (even if they do remember). In fact, I can't actually think of any events/memories I've erased where anyone ever brought it up again, and in a couple of cases, it appears that nobody remembers the event at all (or remembers it vaguely or very differently).

Yes, it is freaky when that happens.

Diagram of Merging with a Past Self
 

personally, I think this is all over-productive minds. The brain is extremely intricate machinery and yet we're still discovering new things about it.

If one works at blocking a memory then the brain will accomodate this...its no different to a traumatised victim who has blocked the trauma out. We can make more of it if we want, but this is just ignorance on our part.

The point is, with belief, we can force the brain to see images that dont exist...to believe things that never happened....to live in fantasy...to adore where adoration has no place..etc.

I dont lean towards science..in fact, i'd be the first to start a debate in this arena. Yet, I do think that we need to be somewhat logical with subjects such as this. I feel we to easily jump right into magical thinking.

Cheers

Actually, it's quite different. And I am trauma victim, as well as a practitioner of selective past-altering by way of personal memory. There is a HUGE difference between the suppression of trauma and this technique.

Also, do note the forum this thread is in: Intention-Manifestation. ;)

ButterflyWoman and Bradshaw, would you mind pointing some good techniques for changing the past? I understand the general principle but i'm sure there are some tested methods worth trying. A few years ago there was a nice tutorial posted here by someone but I can't find it.

It's pretty basic for me. I go "into" the memory (that is, recall it as vividly as I can, including any and all emotion, sight, sound, even smell, whatever is available), and from there, I see it as a sort of "stage set" built out of energy, and I know that I created it, myself, and that I can uncreate it. I then stand in the middle of it (so to speak) and consciously and deliberately "deflate" it by withdrawing my energy from it. Eventually, it collapses, and after that, it's not a problem.

Some memories are so potent that it takes more than one session to completely deflate them (many of my traumatic memories were like this). And I don't always go "into" them. For some things, I can just get a fix on it in my awareness and suck the energy out of it without having to build the entire scene.

I'm sure other people can think of other ways to do it. This is just the way I generally do it. I could probably think of other ways, too, but this works, so I stick with it. I will say that, like anything else, the more you practice it, the easier it becomes.

Thanks for explaining, this looks like a pretty simple and effective technique. Do you also use a similar techinque for changing the past? As I understand apart from just erasing something from the past we could also change events or even create new ones. I wonder - you said that after erasing a past event people around you seem to forget it also, would changing an event cause other people to remember your new changed version?

Mainstream psychology's basic point about repressed memories is that those memories caused trauma, leading one to ignore them and stuff them way down inside. Our neural network is so amazing that memories can literally be shunted off from ordinary, conscious access, as a "protective mechanism." However, one cannot shut off non-conscious access to them. The key problem with repressed memories is that they cause maladaptive behavior, until they are acknowledged and "released." A person who was brutally attacked may develop an extreme aversion to being in public or may distrust people to the point of hysteria. I tend to agree with Butterfly Woman: erasing a memory, under the logic of it, would not be the same thing as repressing a memory. Actually, erasing a memory would be a form of "releasing" it. Erasing a memory would appear to be a non-conventional--and perhaps not fully understood--method. This method of "memory release" is unconventional because it does not occur by, say, a stereotyped method of reliving the horror to a psychiatrist, perhaps under a hypnotic state, so that the conscious mind can dissolve it bit by bit, session by session.

As Butterfly Woman correctly states, this forum on the Internet focuses a school of thought concerning Intention-Manifestation. Just so that you don't think that these posts espouse ideas that are "just ignorance on our part," ideas of the LoA had a recent rebirth from the 1850s through the 1930s, then called the "New-Thought Movement." This is not some brand-new idea.

You are half right here. If you can "force" your brain to visualize, then that is but a start. Under the LoA, that visualization will materialize in the physical world. So it is not for silliness that one engages in such visualization.

Depending on how you mean the phrase "magical thinking," you may be right. There IS something special and magical about the LoA, which connotes ease, and not brute force. But, when you state "we need to be somewhat logical with subject," you leave the train of logic yourself.

All that logic is, is a connected set of premises and conclusions that observe internal consistency. As for manifesting a different past, the premises were laid out above: (1) time is simultaneous (everything is occurring at the same time); (2) there is no "past", "present," or "future," but only the illusion of such; (3) with every decision a person makes, he or she "sends off" an alternate self into a different dimension, where that alternate self actualizes the other choices that once confronted you (a school of quantum physics believes this, so this theory is not without serious-minded support. The "Many Worlds Theory" of quantum physics posits that with each collapse of the probability wave function (upon observation by an observer), a different universe/dimension of life is created for the choice not actualized); and (4) all of one's alternative selves exist at the same "time," separated only by dimension.

Seth was utterly brilliant on the subject, he spoke of the manner in which people change dimensions every day, and he meant literally every day! The diagram I posted above has its internal logic, mapping out an occurrence where one accesses one's past self. There is nothing illogical about it, as its conclusions obey the rules of the set of premises. Now, simply because we have not yet detected the occurrence of an alternate self merging with a past self--or manifesting a different past--does not mean that it holds no logic. Indeed, under the logic of the idea, the whole point is that the one doing the merging and the one who has been "merged with" cannot remember the event. Seth would say, "we are none the wiser." Science readily admits that there is more we don't know than we do know, but that doesn't make science illogical. This is quite a logical discussion, even for a special and "magical" topic. :D

Memory of the past and the actual past appear to be one and the same. Change the memory, change the past, in the same way that if you change your view of reality, your reality changes.

Quite possibly. I haven't tested it, actually. And, if I did successfully change the past (and my memory of it), it's possible I wouldn't remember the now-alternative past, so maybe I wouldn't notice, either. (Stuff like this really bakes your noodle.)

I also haven't actually tried to go into the past and seriously change things like, say, unsigning a lease or not marrying someone. I have heard and read that this is possible, but I've never done it. I've seen Back to the Future too many times to want to go mucking around in the past too much. You never know what sort of future changes you might wreak. ;)

Hi, Lemon Juice:

The other half of the start of this thread involved more than just erasing a past--it involved another application of manifesting a different past, where you did things "anew" that, historically (from this perspective), you did not do in your historical past. Here, manifesting a different past would involve implanting a new past. The example given was to pick up a musical instrument earlier in our past and start playing it to boost the development of our skills in a quantum leap. In this regard, if you don't know how to play guitar, but bought one and started playing it, you could do an experiment to see for yourself if you can manifest a past self.

If you, as a complete novice, just started practicing playing the guitar, one would expect that you would develop your abilities at a pace of a person suited to your skills, talents, and abilities--whatever they are. Now, do the experiment yourself. Try just practicing playing guitar (assuming you are a novice) and measure the pace of your progress. Write this down, make detailed notes about how quickly you are progressing and the accuracy with which you are playing or sight-reading music. You might even record yourself playing the instrument--even if playing very "badly."

Then...

Try an experiment. Say, for five minutes every day for one month, go into an alpha state, and meditate and visualize your past. While in historic terms, you would not have ever played guitar in your past--beyond when you first picked up the guitar just recently--you would implant memories of having picked up the guitar say--three years ago. You could dial this up, to having "memories" of having played the guitar at concerts, say, five years ago--then ten years ago--then twenty years ago (depending on how old you are).

After trying this manifestation of a different past for say a month, then write down your "new" skills and abilities of playing the guitar, as measured after that month of visualization. If the theory of manifesting a different past (including if by merging with your past self) holds up and is true, as Seth declared, and if you are applying a correct technique for a sufficient quantity of time, then you should see a quantum jump in your guitar-playing abilities. This is just one example of how you might manifest a past self and "prove" it by observable means.

Finally, I would add, perhaps manifesting a different past (including by "merging with a past self") is done by us periodically throughout our lives and we don't know how we do it--it may be done unconsciously. This may account for an often-observed phenomenon in many people: in certain aspects of their lives, they grow in "fits and spurts." Consider this: where we have made amazing, unexpected growth in an area--even if its just a quick spurt in our growth--manifesting a different past may account for that.

Good luck and keep us posted!:D

Noted.....and my apologies

I find this really fascinating, I’m going to add this to my visualisation exercises and see what happens. I'll report back if I notice any changes :)

Awesome, Happy Iam, awesome. Are you going to try to manifest a past by eliminating something or adding something that was not there before (e.g., erasing a memory or implanting one like the guitar-playing example)?

I'm going to do both. I'll erase or de-construct memories that no longer serve me but I also want to implant new memories. ie I want to learn how to sing, I can hold a tune but I'm not trained so I'll implant memories of me having had singing lessons from an early age...I'm excited to see if this will work :D

Accepted, but no worries, mate. ;)

But how will you manifest the dead?
 

I read this thread and all the posts and I also think that it might be possible to alter your past. Yes we can't change the record books but we can change ourselves and how the world sees us. And also because if LoA makes all things possible so technically speaking altering past is not outside the boundaries of manifestation.
As far as record books are concerned let us take and example which will clear that we don't need to change the record books. For example if some college age student wishes had she worked hard in her school years she would have got higher grades. Now if she visualizes hard that she actually got A++ in her school years she still can't erase that from her record sheet. But she doesn't need to because why she is visualizing higher marks is more important. May be for getting a course of choice or college of choice in her present. So the Universe will create that reality for her in her present tense and she may get admission into a college of her choice. If there is some test to get admitted into the college she will remember everything during the test because her visualized reality will remind her that she was indeed a hard working student and she knows everything to get into this college. So in essence she has changed her past.
And this technique is also useful in those cases where there are no record books to keep or update like erasing some bad memories like a trauma or something like that.

But now I come to the point. How will a person manifest a dead person alive? No I am not going to try this but just because of curiosity I am asking. Suppose somebody lost a loved one a few years ago because of some accident. Now they visualize that the accident never happened. So how will this thing manifest? Or is it better to leave some stones unturned because we may not know the consequences? One possible outcome in my views could be again why we want that beloved person back. May be we are missing their company and God may send some other person with similar qualities in our lives.

Believe it or not, I have heard of people doing this.

I know of one woman who did it with her dog, and I know of someone else who essentially changed his brother's death in an accident so that the accident didn't happen. The trick is to change the reality at the time it's happening or immediately after, before there has been the opportunity to accept that the person (or dog, or other creature) is dead.

On a purely theoretical level, it's probably possible to change your own reality so that someone who died some time ago is not actually dead, after all, BUT it would take a tremendous amount of mental discipline and a very flexible view of reality, and most people simply do not have this. If you did have it, I expect it would be possible.

But... I've never tried this. I've never had reason to do so. I think jumping timelines too drastically would probably be extremely disorienting, to say the least.