Will you help me troubleshoot ho'oponopono?

[Criseyde]

Right, so, I LOVE the idea of ho'oponopono. It's so elegant and sweet and nice. I really like it and want to do it, but whenever I try, things go spectacularly wrong. I mentioned this to pianoperformer in another thread; there I said that maybe it doesn't work for me because my focus gets "stuck" on whatever is wrong, rather than on cleaning. But this recent situation would belie that.

The check engine light came on in my car. I drove it for about a week before deciding that this was very stupid. So, a couple days ago, I parked it, with the intention of having it looked at this weekend.

Then, I got the bright idea to "clean" on the car. I only did it for a few minutes.

The day after I cleaned on it, my mom called me and told me that she wanted me to pick my sister up from school. She knew the light was on, and she has some friends who told her that I should just add a little oil to it and it would probably be fine. OK, sez I, and I prop up the top and add about a cup of oil.

Welll... unbeknownst to me, sometime in between when I parked the car and when I added the cup of oil, it somehow sprang a leak. A really, really huge leak. All the oil I added ran straight through and ended up on my driveway.

However, it never occurred to me that this might happen, and I didn't notice the oil in the driveway. So yeah. I burned the engine. It probably has to be replaced now. FML.

I don't doubt that ho'oponopono is a powerful tool. Not for one second. I always get spectacular results like this. Huge changes and shifts, and never for the better.

Any ideas?

[Angelique]

I'm a total novice at this.. but it seems to me that you did end up 'cleaning' the car. Too well, actually. No? Just my first reaction to your story, I could be wrong.

What are your other results like?

I hear you, though. This happens to me when I try to manifest a good day - I get the total opposite and it's very frustrating! (So, I've stopped trying to manifest a good day and am experimenting with choosing to have a great day, no matter what happens. It seems to be working better.)

[Criseyde]

Hahahaha, yeah! I cleaned it so well that it's going to need a shiny clean new engine. :|...

Last time I tried it, I cleaned on a relationship that was really unpleasant, and it became orders of magnitude more unpleasant within about three days. Actually, it "cleaned" said person straight out of my life, because I refuse to talk to that person now. Again... not quite the result I was hoping for.

[Angelique]

Eesh, not fun!

Do you always focus on 'cleaning' when you use 'pono? Have you tried sending unconditional love or wishing someone/something well instead?

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Angelique

Eesh, not fun!

Do you always focus on 'cleaning' when you use 'pono? Have you tried sending unconditional love or wishing someone/something well instead?

No, not really. I don't think of it as "cleaning," in my head. I just write that in the forum because it's easier than "ho'oponoponoing."

The unconditional love trick works way better, but I also find it difficult to sustain. I should probably work on improving that, though, rather than mucking around with this thing that so clearly does not work for me.

By the way, it's good to see you around! I don't know if you haven't been here as much lately or if I've just been missing you, but...

[Angelique]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

No, not really. I don't think of it as "cleaning," in my head. I just write that in the forum because it's easier than "ho'oponoponoing."

The unconditional love trick works way better, but I also find it difficult to sustain. I should probably work on improving that, though, rather than mucking around with this thing that so clearly does not work for me.

By the way, it's good to see you around! I don't know if you haven't been here as much lately or if I've just been missing you, but...

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

Well, maybe ho'oponopono just needs a little Criseyde tweaking. I mention unconditional love because to me, that's what you seem to radiate.

Thank you! Yes, I took a three month vacation from the forums.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Angelique

Oh, I see. That makes sense.

Well, maybe ho'oponopono just needs a little Criseyde tweaking. I mention unconditional love because to me, that's what you seem to radiate.

Thank you! Yes, I took a three month vacation from the forums.

Awww... thank you! That really means a lot coming from you, because to me, you seem like one of the brightest and most upbeat people on the forums.

[ButterflyWoman]

I suspect you have some belief that goes something like "it always gets worse before it gets better" or something along those lines. And when you start to do the cleansing, it starts to move stuff around, and that belief comes up and manifests. I've had a lot of stuff like that in my life (for example, whenever I've put my focus on money, I've always ended up with less money and more need for it, because of underlying beliefs about the nature of money; once I addressed the underlying stuff, the situation began to improve).

[ssandra]

Why do you think it doesn't work?

When you ask yourself that question, what is the first thing that pops up?

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

I suspect you have some belief that goes something like "it always gets worse before it gets better" or something along those lines. And when you start to do the cleansing, it starts to move stuff around, and that belief comes up and manifests. I've had a lot of stuff like that in my life (for example, whenever I've put my focus on money, I've always ended up with less money and more need for it, because of underlying beliefs about the nature of money; once I addressed the underlying stuff, the situation began to improve).

Hhmmmm... that makes a lot of sense, but I don't think I believe that, and it's never shown up anywhere else before.

Maybe I do have a specific belief about *cleaning* -- I think that when I clean, everything gets messier at first. Perhaps that metaphor is what's stuck for me.

Originally Posted by ssandra

Why do you think it doesn't work?

When you ask yourself that question, what is the first thing that pops up?

"I'm doing it wrong!" hahah.

Either that or "this is how it's supposed to work and I don't like it/I'm being too judgmental."

[CoolBee]

The hardest thing I have found about ho'oponopono is letting go of the need to try and understand and intellectualize every thing that happens

I love it though! It's made such a difference to me in the just over a year I've been aware of it. This weekend it will be a year since I attended the 2 day Mabel Katz workshop in Bristol, UK!!

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

"I'm doing it wrong!" hahah.

Either that or "this is how it's supposed to work and I don't like it/I'm being too judgmental."

well... yes... if you think you are doing it wrong... do you think you would get the outcomes you desire?

If you were to do it right, would you get better results?

another question; when cleaning, do you focus on the problem on the inside or on the outside? With the example of your car, were you focusing on the car and the engine light, or were you focusing on yourself and what in yourself was causing the car to act that way? (even if you don't know what that is, you can still focus on that unknown).

[Angelique]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Awww... thank you! That really means a lot coming from you, because to me, you seem like one of the brightest and most upbeat people on the forums.

That's so sweet, thank you!

[missbhaven]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

I suspect you have some belief that goes something like "it always gets worse before it gets better" or something along those lines. And when you start to do the cleansing, it starts to move stuff around, and that belief comes up and manifests. I've had a lot of stuff like that in my life (for example, whenever I've put my focus on money, I've always ended up with less money and more need for it, because of underlying beliefs about the nature of money; once I addressed the underlying stuff, the situation began to improve).

I was thinking something very similar.
I use Ho'opononpono to identify deep beliefs that I have.
I posted an experience in cacheborn's topic (here, my post and a link tp the technique I used is the first one on that page).
I find when I sit to meditate, it is easier to go under with this in mind. I tend to ask questions to the stage and something plays back for me. After watching, keep in mind what I am reading in Seth Speaks, that this is just an aspect of reality. I ask myself do I need or want this to be a part of the foundation of my reality, and why? I often get a response and decide if I agree. If I don't get a response or don't agree, I point to a door where this aspect is free to go where it will be more appreciated. Then before I am done, I always shower the scene and the avatar with love and pure bright white light. (Sometimes I see aspects leave and sometimes there are arguments and I must return, some agree to step back.) I allow myself to love this aspect of me and thank it for it's job, purpose and experience. And I don't worry about closing the door; its titled The Benevolent Portal. I don't mind the door going both ways, because nothing gets sent to anywhere without it being benevolent in nature.

Recently I was cleaning the issues that brought about the Occupy Wall Street movement, I realized that I hold on the the belief "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." quite strongly. I tried bolstering another belief to lighten the load, but I saw it was a strategically place piece, connected to several key belief about the world. I have to support a few other beliefs before I feel comfortable fully releasing that belief. But at least I can now acknowledge it only being an aspect of reality and support another belief, when given its reflection in my reality.

[pianoperformer]

Criseyde, I agree with what ButterflyWoman was saying.

But also, if you read my Zero Limits thread, I mention that you aren't supposed to do hoʻoponopono with an outcome in mind. You are just playing in the world of data then, in the world of memories. All these things that are happening are the effects of memories, of programs stuck in your subconscious. The important thing is to let go, and let the Divine do as it will.

I also think it's an issue of persistence. It's like your surrendering it to God, but then when it gets temporarily worse in your view, you say "Hey God, you're not doing such a good job. Let me take back control. You can have it back when things are OK again."

What if, if you kept cleaning, you were supposed to get a new car, and the money to get it magically came into your life? Or someone just gave you a car? Or a myriad of other things that could happen.

What if, with your relationship, you weren't supposed to be in that relationship, or else something worse would have happened? So it getting worse showed you that you were supposed to get out?

I think you're looking for the negative. When it comes up, the correct response would be to just keep cleaning on whatever comes up.

The point is to be free, and to get to zero so that inspiration can take the place of the memories. The effects that result from it are unpredictable.

So in short, I think you're just giving up too soon.

Concerning the suggestion to pour oil into the car, I would clean on that suggestion, too. If it is from inspiration, then you will know. If it is from memories, then you will know. You will know whether you should do it or not. It's getting to the point now (see my thread) where I can literally hear that voice of inspiration tell me specifically what will happen or what needs to happen. There's no doubt once you hear it.

I just think you have a lot of junk to clean. Sometimes it does seem to get temporarily worse, but you just have to have faith in the process and keep on going. It's done so much good for me in my life, and everyone I know of who has tried it, so I would just keep on persisting through all of the hard times.

Question everything that comes up. Clean everything. You'll get back to zero.

For everyone in this thread who practices hoʻoponopono, remember that it's now our responsibility to clean for Criseyde.

[Criseyde]

Okay, guys. I'm going to keep going. But I'm going to clean on some negative beliefs before I go any farther.

If my house blows up, though, I'm calling it quits.

[pianoperformer]

You know that you can just clean without it being on something specific, right? You can just clean and let the Divine take care of what is cleaned. For many people who practice hoʻoponopono, they just have the phrases going on in the background of their mind all day. They even train their subconscious to clean for them so it happens in their sleep. You clean all day, every day, no matter if there is a problem or not. It takes the place of your self-talk, especially if it is negative.

Just wanted to share that, in case you thought it had to be on specific issues.

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by pianoperformer

You know that you can just clean without it being on something specific, right? You can just clean and let the Divine take care of what is cleaned. For many people who practice hoʻoponopono, they just have the phrases going on in the background of their mind all day. They even train their subconscious to clean for them so it happens in their sleep. You clean all day, every day, no matter if there is a problem or not. It takes the place of your self-talk, especially if it is negative.

Just wanted to share that, in case you thought it had to be on specific issues.

Thanks for reminding me.

I honestly feel a little manic when I repeat something in my head over and over. Ehh... I dunno. It's possible that ho'oponopono just isn't the tool for me.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Thanks for reminding me.

I honestly feel a little manic when I repeat something in my head over and over. Ehh... I dunno. It's possible that ho'oponopono just isn't the tool for me.

I thought the same thing when I first started. Honestly you don't even notice it after a while. Also, you can often just reduce it to "I love you." Or, as I say in another thread of mine, just be Love. But cleaning is a good path to get to being open to be Love, especially when you get stuck in the world.

And they say that you can train your subconscious to do it, so it is just always happening. And there are cleaning tools to help, too. I'll be trying those out soon.

[CoolBee]

After I started ho'oponopono, the whole Middle East went into revolution mode, imagine cleaning on that LOL. I concluded at some point that I was 'cleaning' ancestors - I do have a very well known ancestor who has a certain reputation and no I'm not saying.

Here's what I was inspired to do during the darkest days here - being more of a kinaesthetic person - I filled a glass jar that had had blueberries in it with blue solar water and then decorated that jar with every piece of jewellry I owned (not much because I rarely wear it ) and kept it by my bed. Then when I woke up, or before I went to sleep and several times during the day, I would just rub it without having to consciously think any words. It certainly relieved my stress. (Thinking it might be time to get it out again to keep things ticking along).

I also swept the entire staircase of my block of flats from the roof down several times - again taking the 'cleaning' metaphor literally. I should also note that all the cleaners disappeared so there wasn't a 'taking someones job' or 'social status' problem to overcome. My neighbours were entirely bemused at the foreigner (foreign so must be filthy rich but cleaning therefore must be poor - what is she? rich or poor?) cleaning the stairs (a job for the lowest of the low round here) but I think they appreciated it.

We did have the 'cleanest' revolution here in Egypt so maybe it helped!

[CoolBee]

With regard to 'cleaning' on ancestors and why it makes sense that any one of us can clean anybody else:

I am 1 person. I needed 2 parents, 8 grandparents and so on.
You don't have to go very many generations back before you get to a point where every single person alive, say, 2000 years ago, contributed to me somewhere in the gene pool.

Same goes for everyone else.

Ok, so some people may have practiced polygamy, incest and so on and so forth, but even allowing for that, it still works out.

If a generation is 20 years say, then only 700 years or so is necessary to get the whole population involved in creating each individual alive today!

So, as someone who does go along with the notion that cell-memory is involved (and I personally believe this explains 'past-life' memories), then we're all one great big creature - like a giant amoeba with many people-shaped podes. Hence why cleaning one bit can propagate and if I'm cleaning and you're cleaning and we're all podes in this creature, the creature will slowly but surely get clean - I'm on floor scrubbing, someone else is on cupboard dusting and so on. OK, going crazy with the mixed metaphors here, but you know what I mean I'm sure!

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by CoolBee

I concluded at some point that I was 'cleaning' ancestors

You know, there are many times that I felt the weight of generations of dysfunction on both sides of my family, and I often thought I was cleansing or healing or whatever we want to say for the entire lineage. Like, there was this chain of dysfunction and abuse and substance abuse going back who knows how long, passed from generation to generation, and I was the first one to be able to break the chain.

So, in other words, I hear you.

Oh, and good job on the revolution!

[CoolBee]

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Oh, and good job on the revolution!

Yeah, but I think it's time to get the dustpan and brush out again though the way things are going

[Criseyde]

Hey, guys, hey hey.

I cleaned a little on beliefs like "things get worse before they get better" and the economy and my general job situation ("English majors can't get jobs" etc), which has been causing me a lot of angst, throughout yesterday and today.

Yesterday I got a freelance job that I wanted, and today I got a call back from a company that I thought had rejected me weeks ago, asking me to come in for a trial shift. Maybe you all were right!

Also, my car is getting looked at now, so maybe I should go and clean more on that.

[pianoperformer]

YAAAAAY!!!!!!! Good job.

I've been cleaning for you throughout the day as I remembered to.

Congratulations on everything.

Sometimes it takes a time of persistent cleaning before you see results. I cleaned on prosperity for probably a few weeks before we got way more than we could have imagined at our second reception.

I'm not sure if you read the Zero Limits thread, but I have a lot of information there on how and why all of this works the way it does, in case that will help you to believe it. Just let me know if you ever have any questions; always willing to help how I can.

Now this is a great time to simply use "I love you; Thank you" for all the great things coming into your life. And let your action always be inspired.

So happy for you

[Criseyde]

My car is fixed!! It only blew a gasket. $4 part. lol.

[pianoperformer]

See? What'd I say about persistence? Lol! That's so awesome.

[Criseyde]

Thanks so much for your help. And for cleaning for me, too.

I have been reading your thread, quite closely -- that was actually what inspired me to try this again, after giving up on it a few months ago.

Oh, also, I've been meaning to PM you, so I'm going to do that now.

[pianoperformer]

Originally Posted by Criseyde

Thanks so much for your help. And for cleaning for me, too.

It's nothing. It's my data playing out, anyway. My program. My responsibility. As Dr. Len says, I'm only here to clean.

I'm glad you're seeing it work out in your life finally, though.