Manifesting somebody to get a broken leg and spend three months on crutches - How?

[jeff3]

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Originally Posted by greatmind

Hi TS,
I must tell you that I even got signals from the universe/higher intelligence that I'm doing something wrong.

That's a great point I forgot about. I think Steve refers to it as an alpha reflections, I always called it feedback, but the point is that when you form a new intention and begin focusing on it you will get confirmation . Frequently mine would would reveal potential outcomes or reveal fears I have about the issue. This would allow me to work through issues, fine tune, or redirect if necessary.

[MagicalRealist]

[QUOTE=illbreaker;1000338]

Originally Posted by Merr

Is what you really want a broken leg for this person or do you just want justice?/QUOTE]

Can justice be manifested?

Yes. Absolutely. I've done it.

But there's a difference between "justice" and "vengeance." I intended for justice--for my situation to be remedied, and the injustice to be officially righted and redressed.

Oh, sure, I wanted vengeance. But I knew justice would be the more useful outcome for me, and that vengeance might prove personally harmful in ways I couldn't foresee. So I intended for justice, requesting that it be "for the highest good of all concerned." I got it. And once justice was properly served, I didn't really want vengeance anymore--the issue was finished.

[loapatti]

If you're thinking harmful thoughts in your mind, how does your subconscience know the difference that those thoughts should be directed to somebody else? So I would think if you're thinking someone harm, you're really thinking about causing yourself harm. That's my take on it from what I have read on LOA over the years. Thoughts of revenge would really hurt you and not them.

My favorite quote about grudges came from Buddy Hackett-

"I've had a few arguments with people, but I never carry a grudge. You know why? While you're carrying a grudge, they're out dancing."

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by illbreaker

Yes. Absolutely. I've done it.

But there's a difference between "justice" and "vengeance." I intended for justice--for my situation to be remedied, and the injustice to be officially righted and redressed.

Oh, sure, I wanted vengeance. But I knew justice would be the more useful outcome for me, and that vengeance might prove personally harmful in ways I couldn't foresee. So I intended for justice, requesting that it be "for the highest good of all concerned." I got it. And once justice was properly served, I didn't really want vengeance anymore--the issue was finished.

Is there really a difference between the two?

The more I think about the concepts of justice and revenge, the more they seem intrinsically linked. An idea of punishment is infered in both things.

Maybe there is no justice, and only revenge? Maybe justice is what we as a society consider to be a justifiable way of exacting punishment on someone for their crime. Is the death penalty in america "Justice" or is it "revenge"? It sure seems like revenge to me.

[hamix]

Originally Posted by greatmind

Hi TS,
I know at times it is unbearable but using LOA for revenge will reserve your seat in hell. And as one of the members said we attract what we focus on. When you'll try to materialize this you'll be focusing on bad things and ultimately you'll end up attracting those things in your life as well. I'm saying this because of personal experience. I wanted to avenge for something and I was constantly focusing on bad of that person but it made me feel like somebody is trying to hit me. Actually those were my own thoughts. I must tell you that I even got signals from the universe/higher intelligence that I'm doing something wrong. So I left that revenge part and asked universe to make me radiate love and forgiveness for that person though it was very difficult for me as well. Result today we are very good friends.
So better focus on your own good instead of using loa for harming others.

I have one suggestion for you. Ask the higher intelligence to radiate forgiveness for those people and also ask the higher intelligence to make them realize their mistakes. This way they'll realize their mistakes and may even apologize. And that will be the win-win situation for all.

And if I talk about my nature no injustice is so big that it can't be forgiven if the doer asks for forgiveness genuinely by realizing his or her mistake.
Hope this helps. Good luck.

There is no higher universe or intelligence. There also is no definition of good or bad things.

[newkaren]

Originally Posted by elucidate

Is there really a difference between the two?

In my opinion yes. Vengance is all about someone suffering. Justice is more about karma and what not.

Not only that but when justice is done for the greater good of all... It gives people a chance for growth. Suffering may or may not be part of justice.


For example, if you get a broken leg in a car accident, you might just suffer... (vengance) But if you get a broken leg in a car accident, because you were drinking and driving, you would suffer, spend time is jail, loose your lincese, etc...(justice) But you might also enter rehab, and stop drinking. Could be the best thing to ever happen to you.

I have to say this thread has been awesome. As much as i dont like the idea of trying to I/M a broken leg, and found it silly. These posts have given me food for thaught in my own life. Im very greatful for everyone who has posted here.

[greatmind]

Originally Posted by hamix

There is no higher universe or intelligence. There also is no definition of good or bad things.

May be. So go ahead and do whatever you want to with that person.
But yes Higher Intelligence exists whether you believe in it or not.

And to tell you the truth, you have asked this question because you yourself is not sure whether you are doing right thing or not. Otherwise you shouldn't have asked this question in the first place. You have asked this question just to confirm that what you are doing or going to do is right otherwise don't you know how to manifest your this desire?
And always remember often easy things are not worth doing like it is easy to manifest negative things but comparatively difficult to manifest positive things. It is easy to demolish a building but it takes efforts and time to construct that building. It is easy to destroy a beautiful garden but it takes time and efforts to create that garden again. So you can decide best for yourself.

[waizen]

Originally Posted by hamix

There is no higher universe or intelligence. There also is no definition of good or bad things.

At this point, I think this person's whole motive for this post is to stir up the pot. Just dwelling on this subject is hurtful. Seriously, time to move on.

[greatmind]

It took several years to build WTC towers in NYC but took only one hour or two to destroy them. Destruction is harmful and bad creation is good and takes time.

[Silenced140]

I don't believe in censorship, so I'm gonna tell you exactly what your looking for..

I'm fairly sure I've done this before. 2 weeks ago yesterday at a football game, some kid from the other team was walking back to the locker room near us and purposely ran into the kid on crutches on our team, causing him pain. I was so damn mad at this point I put immense focus into that kid's knee breaking.

After the game started again, guess what happened ? That kid ended up on the bottom of a pile and had to be walked away from the field because his knee was beat up pretty bad. It wasn't a total break but it did injure him temporarily.

Another time I did intend for a kid on our team to break something. I intended the leg again, but it ended up with him hurting his wrist.


Your thoughts do have an effect. It requires a lot of focus. I'm beginning to think that intense focus is what the entire LOA thing is about.

[Silenced140]

Secondly, I'd like to take the time to stress how there is no good or bad in the universe. You're putting humanly created concepts into the infinite. I've thought a lot about right and wrong, they just don't exist in this physical world. This is a universe where a baby bird can fall out of the nest and die of starvation. My dad told me about a time before I was born when a cow was having trouble giving birth and coyotes stripped one half of the calf clean before it was even out of the cow. Terrible things happen like that, and I think they're awful. We are all creators in this world. I see it as a blank slate and your job is to paint.

That Abraham Hicks stuff is garbage. I assure you that criminals and child-molesters can and do have intentions manifested. A criminal is someone who does things that society doesn't like. So someone who speaks there mind in an Arab country is a criminal. When I drive 150mph on the freeway I'm a criminal.

This world is all about intentions. You just have to make sure that your intentions are more powerful than everyone else's. You just have to think about what you're doing, and the possible effects it could have. Remember the LOA is basically a butterfly effect.

[elucidate]

Originally Posted by newkaren

In my opinion yes. Vengance is all about someone suffering. Justice is more about karma and what not.

Not only that but when justice is done for the greater good of all... It gives people a chance for growth. Suffering may or may not be part of justice.-

So, you think that people sent to prison for their crimes are not suffering from the restrictions placed on them, having their humanity stripped from them daily and not to mention the violence that goes on inside prisons?

People call for justice, but the fact that citizens will show up to witness someone being given lethal injection in the states, as they did hundreds of years ago with public be-headings in parts of europe, says to me that some people at least, equate justice with vengeance...they just don't admit to it, because it's not 'nice'.

I agree that the concept of justice is meant to be indicating that a lesson is learned and therefore things are balanced in the end...and I know this does happen in a cosmic sense. I'm speaking of the legal concept of justice in society though.

For misdemeanours, like drink driving, yeah, not a lot of suffering occurs, just minor stuff. For something like murder, or multiple murder...'justice' consists of locking someone up in a maximum security prison for their whole life. This is considered the safest thing to do for members of the society, and that justice has been served by finding them guilty and locking them away. What happens to them in prison most people consider to be 'just cause' and something they deserve. This is not justice, it clearly comes from a place of wanting vengeance.

I suppose it differs with the extremity of the crime.

For example, if you get a broken leg in a car accident, you might just suffer... (vengance) But if you get a broken leg in a car accident, because you were drinking and driving, you would suffer, spend time is jail, loose your lincese, etc...(justice) But you might also enter rehab, and stop drinking. Could be the best thing to ever happen to you.

The outcome may be something positive but that does not mean that the person is not punished. People equate justice with punishment...which sounds pretty similar to the concept of what vengeance is, doesn't it?

[Now123]

Originally Posted by Silenced140

Your thoughts do have an effect. It requires a lot of focus. I'm beginning to think that intense focus is what the entire LOA thing is about.

I agree

I am realising that we make this more diificult than it has to be, I also think its about constantly focusing on what you wish. Reinforcing the new thoughts to maintain the wanted vibration that will lead to the manifestation became simple again.

[ButterflyWoman]

Originally Posted by elucidate

So, you think that people sent to prison for their crimes are not suffering from the restrictions placed on them, having their humanity stripped from them daily and not to mention the violence that goes on inside prisons?

Not all "justice" involves someone going to prison. It can be as simple as your neighbor, who throws their rubbish in your yard, getting a fine from the local council for not cleaning up their own yard. Or someone who got you fired getting fired, themselves, by someone else playing the same trick.

Also, of course, not all imprisonment has to equal suffering. Suffering is always a choice. Apparently, there are people who, while imprisoned, find great opportunities for personal growth, healing, transformation, etc.

Justice is a concept of equality, hence the symbol of the scales. In its truest sense, justice is about what goes around coming around. It doesn't have to involve punishment at all, it's just that society doesn't have a lot of good ways of creating perfect, balancing karma, so they slap people away in prison (which doesn't even really do a lot of good, if the zillion or so studies on the topic are to be believed). With prison, it's more a matter of protecting the public from dangerous criminals than anything like justice in the true sense.

Originally Posted by elucidate

People call for justice, but the fact that citizens will show up to witness someone being given lethal injection in the states, as they did hundreds of years ago with public be-headings in parts of europe

... and public hangings in Australia ...

Originally Posted by elucidate

says to me that some people at least, equate justice with vengeance...they just don't admit to it, because it's not 'nice'.

Quite true. I think most people do, in fact. It's a fairly common way of looking at the world, and it seems like the less aware one is, generally, the more likely they are to think that punishment=justice.

I sometimes think that a lot of so-called "karma" that people experience is actually brought on by their own beliefs about punishment. They generate punishment for themselves for things they think they should be punished for, most likely unconsciously. I know I used to do that to myself all the time...

[newkaren]

Originally Posted by elucidate

So, you think that people sent to prison for their crimes are not suffering from the restrictions placed on them, having their humanity stripped from them daily and not to mention the violence that goes on inside prisons?

Suffering can be and is part of justice.