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pianoperformer · 10-04-2011, 02:53 PM

Has anyone read the book Zero Limits by Joe Vitale and Dr. Ihaleakala Hew Len?

It's based on the method of Ho'oponopono, which I know was pretty big around here a while back, but this book makes it a lot clearer for me.

What's interesting is that Joe Vitale is pretty big into intention manifestation, being part of The Secret, but yet he says that this concept of zero state is more powerful even than setting intentions. A powerful quote from the book is this:

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When you come from the zero state where there are zero limits, you don't need intentions. You simply receive and act, and miracles happen.

This reflects my experience. Sometimes I've just been hit by inspiration, and the results from that have been much greater than when I tried to intend something on my own and go through with it. The latter feels like fighting against the current, while the former is going with the current, or more like totally getting out of the river.

In our regular state, our mind can only conceive of so many things, so intentions are limited. In zero state, it is limitless because mind has nothing to do with it. We just receive, and things happen seemingly on their own.

I'm only about a third of the way through the book, but it's really been impactful so far so wanted to mention it here.

Strem2 · 10-04-2011, 06:28 PM

Hi,

Yes I read this book also, years ago and have been using Ho'oponopono since then. It's been an easy and powerful clearing method and works great on tantruming children....

Criseyde · 10-04-2011, 06:43 PM

I've read it. BUT... practicing ho'oponopono tends to make my life hang a sharp left into "help, everything sucks!" and I don't seem to be able to help anyone else with it either. I think I must be doing it wrong.

And this "zero state" sounds cool, and Richard Bartlett talks about it too, and I sort of suspect that this is also Abraham's Vortex concept, but I haven't found it yet.

pianoperformer · 10-04-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Criseyde

I've read it. BUT... practicing ho'oponopono tends to make my life hang a sharp left into "help, everything sucks!" and I don't seem to be able to help anyone else with it either. I think I must be doing it wrong.

Do you think it is because of the memories being cleaned out that might cause havoc for a time? Have you tried to persist through it?

Criseyde · 10-05-2011, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pianoperformer

Do you think it is because of the memories being cleaned out that might cause havoc for a time? Have you tried to persist through it?

Yes, I thought of that, but I don't really think that's what's going on. I don't really believe that I have tons of buried gunk that needs to be cleaned out chaotically -- even if I do have buried gunk, I think it can be released without all that. I think that the problem is a lot simpler: when I do ho'oponopono, I get very focused on whatever it is that I'm trying to "clean," and that causes it to expand in my experience. Obviously, not everybody does this, because lots of people have good success, but it is something to watch for.

pianoperformer · 10-05-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Criseyde

Yes, I thought of that, but I don't really think that's what's going on. I don't really believe that I have tons of buried gunk that needs to be cleaned out chaotically -- even if I do have buried gunk, I think it can be released without all that. I think that the problem is a lot simpler: when I do ho'oponopono, I get very focused on whatever it is that I'm trying to "clean," and that causes it to expand in my experience. Obviously, not everybody does this, because lots of people have good success, but it is something to watch for.

Yeah that would probably do it.

What I do is ask what within myself is creating the problem. That's the last I really think of the issue. I just send love to myself and the part of myself that is causing that problem.

It's not been long enough for me to say much of anything, but it's been giving me mostly peace so far.

ssandra · 10-05-2011, 12:24 AM

I read it and I like it, although I felt there was a LOT of fluff in the book as well.

It works best for me however if I allow myself to visualize at the same time as I clean. A picture comes up, which can be anything, that represents the thing I am cleaning up.

As I am cleaning, the object in my visualization cleans. Usually it becomes something that gives light (light blue, giving light, feels very clean). Once it is completely light, I know it is clean, and I feel calmer about it.

pianoperformer · 10-06-2011, 03:26 PM

I finished the book last night. It was so good, I am tempted to reread it.

Christine seems interested in reading it so I may reread it with her.

I would like to discuss my experiences in this thread as they come.

Ho'oponopono has been a constant part of my inner dialogue for a few days now. Overall I feel a much greater sense of peace that is harder to shake. It still is shaken from time to time, but not as often, and I return to peace more quickly.

It also gives me greater empathy. Even if I'm upset at something another person has done, I can better see what prompted that action and understand their own perspective.

I'm able to observe when a thought imbued with stress, anxiety, anger, etc, begins to arise, and can "clean" on that thought so that the emotion is taken out of it.

I've been doing this method to resolve my resistance against prosperity and wealth. My idea is that if money is not flowing into my life, then I must have some resistance in me against it.

I feel that I am being tested. It seems that I have much less money this month than I thought, probably due to some incorrect calculations on my part, which is very unusual for me. But I really don't feel bothered by it. I have the resources to get out of the situation if nothing else manifests (e.g., stocks I can sell), but I am waiting to see what happens. In the meantime, I trust in God/the Divine, and continue to do the method.

But internally, I can tell that my attitude about money is gradually changing.

I've had positive effects using this for healing, so far for relatively minor things. The other day, Christine had a pretty bad headache. I wanted to see if i could clean on that, and not even touch her head to do healing as I normally would. A minute or two later it was gone.
Same thing yesterday with part of her back that was really bothering her, but this time I did touch, but did the exact same thing as before. About 5-10 seconds later it was better.

It's also helped me not to feel as threatened when someone disagrees with me. Usually I do feel threatened if my point of view is challenged, such as if a reply to a post I made is critical of what I said. However, now I evaluate if there are any negative emotions in me related to the reply, and clean on that before I reply back, so that i can come from a place of peace rather than anger.

Along with all of this, I've been reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie, and the ideas are similar; e.g., it is only my own thoughts about a situation that are creating suffering for me.

So I think it's been a success so far. I will continue to update.

pianoperformer · 10-07-2011, 03:46 AM

Today I was angry because someone I know backed out on something they said they would do.

I cleaned on it, which did help. The thing that really helped though was The Work.

It only took one sentence:

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I am angry at John because he always backs out on his word.

How do I react when I believe that thought? Betrayed, angry myself, disappointed.
Who would I be if I didn't believe that thought? I wouldn't care.

But the biggest thing was the turn-around:

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I am angry with myself because I always back out on my word.

I am pretty bad with that, as a matter of fact. So that shut me up pretty well, because I know I appreciate when other people understand me when something changes and I can't do something I said I would.

As far as wealth, there might be something promising. I got a PM today about someone interested in healing, so I am hoping that pans out. Oh, and I talked to a guy today about a project probably for about $700. So I guess it is starting to work. This project seems to be all but set.

pianoperformer · 10-07-2011, 09:39 PM

Just did a healing session for someone in person today. It went about two hours, but it went really well and I think he had some major realizations.

I'm still feeling very peaceful altogether. I've been continuing to examine my own beliefs and how they create problems in the world.

pianoperformer · 10-08-2011, 12:19 AM

I've been noticing that whenever I get caught in a negative state, then everything within and without me gets progressively negative until I can get out of it. It is like a net that just keeps drawing me in. I'm still not the best at getting out of the net.

cacheborn · 10-08-2011, 05:06 AM

I have been practicing Ho'oponopono for over a year now. The wonderful experiences I have had are too many. A somewhat sketchy account is here.

Journaling about hoponopono/SR

pianoperformer · 10-08-2011, 07:41 AM

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I have been practicing Ho'oponopono for over a year now. The wonderful experiences I have had are too many. A somewhat sketchy account is here.

Journaling about hoponopono/SR

That's great, thanks. How would you say it has changed you in that year?

I know this is a thread specifically on the book, Zero Limits, and the method of Ho'oponopono, but I have been tying Loving What Is into this and they really fit together.

I love how she (the author) says that all we have to do is to follow our passion. The decisions will make themselves, and not a single second before it is their time to be decided. It is impersonal; we do not think, but we are thought. There's no need to stress.

It's so interesting, yet frightening, to see the assumptions that we have that cause us endless grief. "This person shouldn't be like this," but they are.

I also love her hands-off approach with children. That is, it seems that she doesn't really believe in punishment, because it is our own problem. That is a basic belief that I have—that children know basically what is right and wrong and just need some gentle guidance.

For instance, there was a four-year-old boy who was beating up on his little baby sister. Now with most children, they'd be punished. "You don't hit your sister," followed by some kind of timeout. However, this boy's parents took him to her, she did The Work with him, and with the parents. He said he was angry at his sister because she wouldn't play ball with him. The parents realized that when the mother was pregnant, they told the boy that he would have a playmate to do things with him and to play ball. So, he expected the baby to play ball, and she obviously couldn't. Once he realized that his sister couldn't play ball yet, he stopped his behavior.

cacheborn · 10-09-2011, 04:17 AM

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That's great, thanks. How would you say it has changed you in that year?

There are so many things that it's difficult to list them. My whole approach of looking at things has changed and consequently, the things themselves have changed. As Wayne Dyer says, "If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." I am experiencing exactly that.

Whenever I come across anything that's not in harmony, I ask myself, what in me caused that and clean on it. It's just amazing how things change when you keep on doing that. I clean intentions, inanimate objects, news items, opinions, everything.

Last night, I specifically made a list of incidents in my past life that were humiliating and had caused a lot of emotional hurt. Than I cleaned on each one, and hugged the person who had caused the incidence. The amount of joy I felt was unbelievable. I realized that I was keeping these memories in my brain and they were sucking valuable energy. By releasing them that energy was free. I am positive that if someone would actually monitor brain activities while the subject is doing Ho'oponopono, they would see some major changes.

I have never tried Loving What Is, looks interesting.

pianoperformer · 10-08-2011, 07:45 PM

I realized that we don't need anything to be happy. Happiness is a choice in every moment. It's one of those things you don't really understand fully until you just, understand it.

I don't have to worry whether I'm going to be happy in the next moment. I can just be happy now, or not. If I'm not, then I can figure out why that is. It's very freeing.

Last night, Christine and I had a bit of an argument. I felt very threatened by her delivery, because she is very direct. So I separated myself for a minute, and did The Work. I wrote:

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I am angry at Christine because she is always rash.
I am angry at Christine because she refuses to accept responsibility for her actions.

I asked the four questions of course. The turnaround is generally where i get the most insight, and frees me to see the possibility of not holding those beliefs. So the turnaround for the first one was:

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I am angry with myself because I am always rash with Christine.

It was hard to say, but it was true. And the second was worse:

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I am angry with myself because i never take responsibility.

That destroyed the thought in my mind, or at least stripped it of its emotionality, and I was able to go and apologize. It was amazing how quickly that turned around, and it felt so good not to have to think those thoughts.

CoolBee · 10-08-2011, 08:45 PM

I liked Zero Limits basically, but I admit when I lend it to people, I say 'try and ignore the marketing puff' because it seemed to me to be riddled with sales pitches.

That said, I discovered ho'oponopono via this forum just after Cacheborn and SSandra I think! September 2010. And in November 2010 by remarkable coincidence, Mabel Katz- a great exponent - was doing her first and only 2 day workshop in the UK one weekend before my NLP Practitioner Assessment and a planned (but not yet booked!) trip to the UK by me! So I simply shifted my planned dates by 1 week to get both in. (And for information, Mabel says all you have to say is "Thank You!")

It's been an interesting journey - is it coincidence that in the 12 months since discovering it and 'being responsible for everything in my life' - we have had umpteen revolutions in my neck of the woods, I discovered the secret to my weight loss and am now 24kg lighter than in April. If someone upsets me in someway, I rarely get angry or upset because I think 'I created this somehow, I need to clean!" The things that have happened lead me to feel that some seriously deep-level cleaning has gone on!

Personally, I have found genuine actual physical cleaning is the best way for me to do it! I did go through some tense time 'cleaning' during the Egyptian revolution as you might imagine if you feel someway responsible in some way you don't understand!

I think the aspect I found hardest was getting over the need to try and identify what exactly I was 'cleaning' - what the pattern repeating was and what it might represent and so on. This took a long long time, and I'm not totally there yet.

pianoperformer · 10-08-2011, 09:19 PM

Thank you for sharing, CoolBee.

I'm really interested to know how it works in my life. So far so good, though.

cacheborn · 10-09-2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolBee

(And for information, Mabel says all you have to say is "Thank You!")

If someone upsets me in someway, I rarely get angry or upset because I think 'I created this somehow, I need to clean!" The things that have happened lead me to feel that some seriously deep-level cleaning has gone on!

Personally, I have found genuine actual physical cleaning is the best way for me to do it! I did go through some tense time 'cleaning' during the Egyptian revolution as you might imagine if you feel someway responsible in some way you don't understand!

I think the aspect I found hardest was getting over the need to try and identify what exactly I was 'cleaning' - what the pattern repeating was and what it might represent and so on. This took a long long time, and I'm not totally there yet.

Yes, I have heard Dr Hew Len also say that actual words are not that important.

I have also found that as I keep on cleaning, the cleaning also manifests in other areas of my life. And while doing actual cleaning, I am also cleaning inside, it sort of jells together.

About what I am cleaning - I have found that as I clean on something or someone specific, a totally unrelated memory would show up. I assume that they are related and I clean on that one as well.

Debo · 10-09-2011, 05:11 AM

Hi everyone

I have just ordered this book from my library, I read Joes book `The key`, and I found it to be a good read, but a tad too advertising also, but you can over look that if you choose.

Finding the cleansing quite effective

Debo

Sbonn · 10-09-2011, 05:15 AM

Hi, had a desire to pop in here and share that I love ho'oponopono.

Recently coming into it (about 2 months now) I have actually had some nice pleasant and big positive shifts in the relationship with my boyfriend. Last year the relationship had been not doing so well, I myself was in a fairly deep depression. There were many steps in healing for me between last year and when I found ho'oponopono.

My first validation was in this relationship when I took time one evening and cleaned on my ex-husband, and then the people I had been in relationship with since the marriage ended to my current guy. This allowed for major release and healing of some deep down hurts as I took responsibility and just cleaned and cleared.

Reflected in dreams..

In the past when my ex appeared in my dreams I was very very aggressive and angry towards him. After I did the cleaning and clearing I had a dream shortly after in which I took note of a major shift when he appeared that I was actually friendly and we talked the feelings I had were pure well wishes for him. I can say now that I have not had him appear in a dream since.

One time while talking on the phone with the person I work with and he brought up an issue with a client where I had forgotten to do something and he asked "what do we do about this?" I took responsibility and then said "I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you!" and he got quiet (I think he was a bit stunned) and a solution popped immediately into my mind. I told him my idea, he liked it and the client was happy too.

I now clean and clear, most times it is on auto pilot but I do take time at night before falling asleep to clean and clear on specific issues, people and things.

One validation I appreciated when I read Zero Limits was that they put forth the idea that inanimate objects have feelings.. I have been known throughout my life to imbue objects with a personality and feelings.

That was my little bit to share but, I am so thankful and happy to have found Ho'oponopono via this forum. So Please allow me to say thank you, I love you

BIG HUGS
Sbonn

pianoperformer · 10-09-2011, 03:47 PM

Last night, I had a nightmare for the first time in I don't know how long. I'm assuming it could be just the release of painful and negative energy from the subconscious, which would be being released through Ho'oponopono. I don't remember what the dream was about, unfortunately.

Yesterday was great, though. My mother-in-law and a nun that Christine is really good friends with came in yesterday to visit. I do not usually get along with my mother-in-law at all, but that's a very long story. A lot of times I feel like my respect and personal power is stripped around her.

But this time, I honestly didn't care what she thought. I was able to be honest and be truly myself. We went out to dinner, and it was great. Christine said later that I was really outgoing, which is not normal for me. That just proves for me that I was just relaxed and enjoying myself without any concerns. That's such a huge improvement for me.

So I think yesterday was a big testament to how these practices are helping me.

If you really look at it, how does this happen? I never felt respected by her because I never respected myself. Now I finally do. I finally feel like an equal, not a 23-year-old child trying to make it in the world, and that's how I felt around her a lot.

In general my social life has been on the rise. A friend has asked us just to go hang out somewhere and enjoy a snack, for the last two days. A guy who I hadn't seen for two years or so is coming around more now so we are becoming better friends. Someone randomly wanted to come meet me yesterday because we have a common friend, but unfortunately that fell through.

I just think I feel more confident for the first time in my life, at least for a long time.

When you realize you really only have to worry about yourself and what kind of life you are creating, and not about anyone else in the least, it is so freeing. My mother called yesterday saying she had gone out to lunch with her ex-boyfriend. I'd usually be really upset, because this guy was so controlling and possessive, though he was really great for a while. She asked me what I thought, and I told her honestly that I thought it wasn't a good idea to get too involved with him because of what happened before, but it was her life, and I really meant it. She said, very sincerely, "Wow, you're the most uncritical, non-judgmental person I know." I had simply told her what I thought, but said she was free to do what she wanted and I wouldn't stop her.

And if they do get together, and he is controlling? Then somehow I'm creating that, and I just keep cleaning on it. And if it bothers me a lot, I just do The Work on it and see how something in me is really the source of what is bothering me. Reflect it back on myself and see how I might be possessive and controlling.

But maybe it won't happen. When it happened before, I really was more controlling. Not necessarily to the degree that he was, but I felt like I didn't have an identity without Christine and wanted to be with her all the time, lol. So maybe it was just a reflection to show me what I was doing. I am not like that at all now.

So that's how Ho'oponopono and The Work are changing my life. It's working from the inside out, and my world is changing as a result. And hey, this is only the first week of it. Imagine what might be happening in a month!

I will continue to update.

ChildOfNone · 10-09-2011, 04:45 PM

i'm inspired bythis thread.
Time for me to connect with what you are doing here.
responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me.

Where to start?

CoolBee · 10-09-2011, 05:25 PM

Right now, before you can get hold of any books?
What's bugging you right now?
Accept that you do not know and cannot know what it is within you that created it.
You just need to 'clean' it. Mabel Katz talks about it in terms of deleting old programmes from a computer.

The simplest cleaning is to say:

"I'm sorry, forgive me, thank you, I love you".

What does it mean? It's short for:

"I'm sorry for whatever it is in me that gave rise to this situation, which I cannot know"
"I forgive me (myself for feeling bad, for whatever it is that I don't know), I ask you to forgive me for whatever it is I might have done or my ancestors might have done that gave rise to this situation"
"Thank you (for bringing it to my attention that I have still some 'cleaning' (of thoughts, memories, old patterns) to do"
"I love you ('you' being myself, 'you' being the others in the situation)".

It helps to say it outloud (in private if you prefer!) rather than mutter it under your breath or in your head. A friend of mine also experienced a profound shift in her relationship with her partner when she said it outloud AND in full!

Some people I have talked to about it have a great deal of difficulty in accepting the 'responsibility' part, taking it as meaning 'blame'. But it doesn't. You just have responsibility to clean it.
Like if you're going down an untidy street, you're not to blame (probably!), but you can either accept responsibility for picking up the rubbish or not, as you like. Which one will improve your environment fastest?

Also note that you can buy various commercial 'cleaning tools' on the net but you don't need any of it, you can use anything you are inspired about. For example, I was inspired to use a jar that had had blueberries in it, and I filled it with 'solarized' water (don't worry about all that!) and used it as a 'cleaning' focus for a couple of months when things were very very tense over here.

Personally, I see some connection between the 'cleaning tools' and NLP 'anchors'. I don't think the tools themselves are important, but just serve to anchor your state in a particular place.

pianoperformer · 10-09-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

i'm inspired bythis thread.
Time for me to connect with what you are doing here.
responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me.

Where to start?

If you ever want to discuss it in our correspondence, let me know. I can help you with both of the processes I'm discussing in this thread. CoolBee's description of Ho'oponopono is really good as well.

I'd like to discuss self-healing in my book, so I'll probably be talking about some of these ideas soon.

pianoperformer · 10-10-2011, 12:03 PM

I did healing for someone last night, and it was amazing. It was emotional healing, so I mixed my own healing techniques, along with Ho'oponopono, and The Work for the outer work of the session.

She was very nervous at first, because she's Catholic and wasn't sure if it was OK to do this. But she decided to in the end.

It was great. It lasted about 3 and a half hours, because it was involved, but it was great. The healing was for her relationship with her mother, and she really had some breakthroughs.

I'm starting to get this idea that I'm playing around with. I know that physical issues are manifestations of deeper problems, but I'm wondering if I can figure out those deeper problems, heal them in the same way, and then hopefully the physical issue would be healed. For instance, Christine's shoulder has been really bothering her for a while now. She says that this makes her feel powerless and unable to do anything. Just an interesting idea.

ChildOfNone · 10-10-2011, 02:36 PM

Cool Bee and Piano Performer - thank you for your words. I embrace them.

Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings.

Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans.

Your concrete examples from your own experience are very helpful. Thank you for writing them here.

CoolBee · 10-10-2011, 03:35 PM

ChildofNone - when you feel drawn to participate, in ho'oponopono terms, you just need to 'clean', not necessarily work closely with them as PianoPerformer does. This is an area of work he was already involved with. One thing that you have to take some time over - and none of us are perfect at it - is distinguishing between the conscious mind talking and true inspiration.

Check out this link - it's one of the first things I read on ho'oponopono - I couldn't find it yesterday while I was doing my initial response to you.

Interview with Dr Hew Len on Hooponopono

pianoperformer · 10-10-2011, 04:15 PM

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Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings.

Thank you so much. I'm so happy that they are helping you in that way. That's why I write about my experiences.

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans.

You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but what do you feel within you when you see financial hardship and unemployment? What does that trigger in you? How did you create this in your life?

Go within, forgive yourself, love yourself, and give thanks for the beautiful being you are and for God's blessings in your life. Those four simple phrases of Ho'oponopono are good symbols for that process.

But if you can figure out the emotional undertone, let me know and we can work through it if you like.

pianoperformer · 10-14-2011, 03:59 PM

Prosperity Intention

The $350 for the project was paid on Wednesday, and was cleared today. Not a moment too late, as usual.

Healing Intention

Someone I had done a session for last week came back last night, and we spent five hours talking about our beliefs, doing The Work, and doing healing. Everyone keeps saying how difficult this process is. This one said he wished it was easier, but knew it was helping. It is validation for me.

I'm developing an intake form for people to fill out who are interested in healing. It gives me the information I need, including all the practical stuff like how they want to be contacted, but also allows them to discuss who or what they have a problem with, so that it can be covered during the healing. I'm pretty excited about that.

The Four Agreements

I'm about half-way through this book. I really enjoy it, though its ideas on responsibility aren't as radical as in Ho'oponopono, but that's OK. I still really enjoy the agreements so far (I'm through the first two).

pianoperformer · 10-19-2011, 04:58 AM

Prosperity Intention

Not too much lately on this front, but I will be getting $60, once two cliens pay up. Also my stock's been going up, about 8% in the last week, so I'm pretty happy about that.

Zero Limits Intention

So as you know, I read the book Zero Limits. I recently found this product: http://ZeroLimitsLive.com/

I believe it would be really helpful for taking the knowledge from the book to the next level, so I'm intending for that to come about soon.

Healing Intention

There are a few people potentially interested in healing.

We've been getting a lot of prayer requests lately, so I'm happy about that. And this immediately after i had the thought that we hadn't gotten any requests for a while.

I finished that intake form i was talking about. It is now the sign-up form for requesting healing, linked to from my holistic healing page on my site. It can be found here: Intake Form for Holistic Healing

Pretty simple, but it does the job.

The Four Agreements

I finished this book today. It was really good, and gave me a lot of inspiration to follow what it was saying.

I think it was a bit short on practical examples, though. It was really good theory, but it could have probably gone a bit further with examples. That's what I love about books like Zero Limits and Loving What Is, and I'm making sure to put plenty of examples in my book.

But other than that, i really enjoyed it. It aligns pretty well with the other books.

10-09-2011, 05:15 AM	#20 (permalink)
Sbonn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Minnesota Posts: 298	Hi, had a desire to pop in here and share that I love ho'oponopono. Recently coming into it (about 2 months now) I have actually had some nice pleasant and big positive shifts in the relationship with my boyfriend. Last year the relationship had been not doing so well, I myself was in a fairly deep depression. There were many steps in healing for me between last year and when I found ho'oponopono. My first validation was in this relationship when I took time one evening and cleaned on my ex-husband, and then the people I had been in relationship with since the marriage ended to my current guy. This allowed for major release and healing of some deep down hurts as I took responsibility and just cleaned and cleared. Reflected in dreams.. In the past when my ex appeared in my dreams I was very very aggressive and angry towards him. After I did the cleaning and clearing I had a dream shortly after in which I took note of a major shift when he appeared that I was actually friendly and we talked the feelings I had were pure well wishes for him. I can say now that I have not had him appear in a dream since. One time while talking on the phone with the person I work with and he brought up an issue with a client where I had forgotten to do something and he asked "what do we do about this?" I took responsibility and then said "I'm sorry, please forgive me, thank you, I love you!" and he got quiet (I think he was a bit stunned) and a solution popped immediately into my mind. I told him my idea, he liked it and the client was happy too. I now clean and clear, most times it is on auto pilot but I do take time at night before falling asleep to clean and clear on specific issues, people and things. One validation I appreciated when I read Zero Limits was that they put forth the idea that inanimate objects have feelings.. I have been known throughout my life to imbue objects with a personality and feelings. That was my little bit to share but, I am so thankful and happy to have found Ho'oponopono via this forum. So Please allow me to say thank you, I love you BIG HUGS Sbonn Last edited by Sbonn; 10-09-2011 at 05:52 AM.

10-09-2011, 05:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
CoolBee Family Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,044	Right now, before you can get hold of any books? What's bugging you right now? Accept that you do not know and cannot know what it is within you that created it. You just need to 'clean' it. Mabel Katz talks about it in terms of deleting old programmes from a computer. The simplest cleaning is to say: "I'm sorry, forgive me, thank you, I love you". What does it mean? It's short for: "I'm sorry for whatever it is in me that gave rise to this situation, which I cannot know" "I forgive me (myself for feeling bad, for whatever it is that I don't know), I ask you to forgive me for whatever it is I might have done or my ancestors might have done that gave rise to this situation" "Thank you (for bringing it to my attention that I have still some 'cleaning' (of thoughts, memories, old patterns) to do" "I love you ('you' being myself, 'you' being the others in the situation)". It helps to say it outloud (in private if you prefer!) rather than mutter it under your breath or in your head. A friend of mine also experienced a profound shift in her relationship with her partner when she said it outloud AND in full! Some people I have talked to about it have a great deal of difficulty in accepting the 'responsibility' part, taking it as meaning 'blame'. But it doesn't. You just have responsibility to clean it. Like if you're going down an untidy street, you're not to blame (probably!), but you can either accept responsibility for picking up the rubbish or not, as you like. Which one will improve your environment fastest? Also note that you can buy various commercial 'cleaning tools' on the net but you don't need any of it, you can use anything you are inspired about. For example, I was inspired to use a jar that had had blueberries in it, and I filled it with 'solarized' water (don't worry about all that!) and used it as a 'cleaning' focus for a couple of months when things were very very tense over here. Personally, I see some connection between the 'cleaning tools' and NLP 'anchors'. I don't think the tools themselves are important, but just serve to anchor your state in a particular place. Last edited by CoolBee; 10-09-2011 at 05:34 PM.

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10-04-2011, 06:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Strem2 Family Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eastern Long Island, USA Posts: 1,047	Hi, Yes I read this book also, years ago and have been using Ho'oponopono since then. It's been an easy and powerful clearing method and works great on tantruming children....

10-04-2011, 06:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Criseyde Family Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,157	I've read it. BUT... practicing ho'oponopono tends to make my life hang a sharp left into "help, everything sucks!" and I don't seem to be able to help anyone else with it either. I think I must be doing it wrong. And this "zero state" sounds cool, and Richard Bartlett talks about it too, and I sort of suspect that this is also Abraham's Vortex concept, but I haven't found it yet.

10-05-2011, 12:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
ssandra Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Mexico City Posts: 11,168	I read it and I like it, although I felt there was a LOT of fluff in the book as well. It works best for me however if I allow myself to visualize at the same time as I clean. A picture comes up, which can be anything, that represents the thing I am cleaning up. As I am cleaning, the object in my visualization cleans. Usually it becomes something that gives light (light blue, giving light, feels very clean). Once it is completely light, I know it is clean, and I feel calmer about it.

10-06-2011, 03:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	I finished the book last night. It was so good, I am tempted to reread it. Christine seems interested in reading it so I may reread it with her. I would like to discuss my experiences in this thread as they come. Ho'oponopono has been a constant part of my inner dialogue for a few days now. Overall I feel a much greater sense of peace that is harder to shake. It still is shaken from time to time, but not as often, and I return to peace more quickly. It also gives me greater empathy. Even if I'm upset at something another person has done, I can better see what prompted that action and understand their own perspective. I'm able to observe when a thought imbued with stress, anxiety, anger, etc, begins to arise, and can "clean" on that thought so that the emotion is taken out of it. I've been doing this method to resolve my resistance against prosperity and wealth. My idea is that if money is not flowing into my life, then I must have some resistance in me against it. I feel that I am being tested. It seems that I have much less money this month than I thought, probably due to some incorrect calculations on my part, which is very unusual for me. But I really don't feel bothered by it. I have the resources to get out of the situation if nothing else manifests (e.g., stocks I can sell), but I am waiting to see what happens. In the meantime, I trust in God/the Divine, and continue to do the method. But internally, I can tell that my attitude about money is gradually changing. I've had positive effects using this for healing, so far for relatively minor things. The other day, Christine had a pretty bad headache. I wanted to see if i could clean on that, and not even touch her head to do healing as I normally would. A minute or two later it was gone. Same thing yesterday with part of her back that was really bothering her, but this time I did touch, but did the exact same thing as before. About 5-10 seconds later it was better. It's also helped me not to feel as threatened when someone disagrees with me. Usually I do feel threatened if my point of view is challenged, such as if a reply to a post I made is critical of what I said. However, now I evaluate if there are any negative emotions in me related to the reply, and clean on that before I reply back, so that i can come from a place of peace rather than anger. Along with all of this, I've been reading Loving What Is by Byron Katie, and the ideas are similar; e.g., it is only my own thoughts about a situation that are creating suffering for me. So I think it's been a success so far. I will continue to update.

10-07-2011, 09:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Just did a healing session for someone in person today. It went about two hours, but it went really well and I think he had some major realizations. I'm still feeling very peaceful altogether. I've been continuing to examine my own beliefs and how they create problems in the world.

10-08-2011, 12:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	I've been noticing that whenever I get caught in a negative state, then everything within and without me gets progressively negative until I can get out of it. It is like a net that just keeps drawing me in. I'm still not the best at getting out of the net.

10-08-2011, 05:06 AM	#12 (permalink)
cacheborn Family Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,439	I have been practicing Ho'oponopono for over a year now. The wonderful experiences I have had are too many. A somewhat sketchy account is here. Journaling about hoponopono/SR

10-08-2011, 08:45 PM	#16 (permalink)
CoolBee Family Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,044	I liked Zero Limits basically, but I admit when I lend it to people, I say 'try and ignore the marketing puff' because it seemed to me to be riddled with sales pitches. That said, I discovered ho'oponopono via this forum just after Cacheborn and SSandra I think! September 2010. And in November 2010 by remarkable coincidence, Mabel Katz- a great exponent - was doing her first and only 2 day workshop in the UK one weekend before my NLP Practitioner Assessment and a planned (but not yet booked!) trip to the UK by me! So I simply shifted my planned dates by 1 week to get both in. (And for information, Mabel says all you have to say is "Thank You!") It's been an interesting journey - is it coincidence that in the 12 months since discovering it and 'being responsible for everything in my life' - we have had umpteen revolutions in my neck of the woods, I discovered the secret to my weight loss and am now 24kg lighter than in April. If someone upsets me in someway, I rarely get angry or upset because I think 'I created this somehow, I need to clean!" The things that have happened lead me to feel that some seriously deep-level cleaning has gone on! Personally, I have found genuine actual physical cleaning is the best way for me to do it! I did go through some tense time 'cleaning' during the Egyptian revolution as you might imagine if you feel someway responsible in some way you don't understand! I think the aspect I found hardest was getting over the need to try and identify what exactly I was 'cleaning' - what the pattern repeating was and what it might represent and so on. This took a long long time, and I'm not totally there yet.

10-08-2011, 09:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Thank you for sharing, CoolBee. I'm really interested to know how it works in my life. So far so good, though.

10-09-2011, 05:11 AM	#19 (permalink)
Debo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 148	Hi everyone I have just ordered this book from my library, I read Joes book `The key`, and I found it to be a good read, but a tad too advertising also, but you can over look that if you choose. Finding the cleansing quite effective Debo

10-09-2011, 03:47 PM	#21 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Last night, I had a nightmare for the first time in I don't know how long. I'm assuming it could be just the release of painful and negative energy from the subconscious, which would be being released through Ho'oponopono. I don't remember what the dream was about, unfortunately. Yesterday was great, though. My mother-in-law and a nun that Christine is really good friends with came in yesterday to visit. I do not usually get along with my mother-in-law at all, but that's a very long story. A lot of times I feel like my respect and personal power is stripped around her. But this time, I honestly didn't care what she thought. I was able to be honest and be truly myself. We went out to dinner, and it was great. Christine said later that I was really outgoing, which is not normal for me. That just proves for me that I was just relaxed and enjoying myself without any concerns. That's such a huge improvement for me. So I think yesterday was a big testament to how these practices are helping me. If you really look at it, how does this happen? I never felt respected by her because I never respected myself. Now I finally do. I finally feel like an equal, not a 23-year-old child trying to make it in the world, and that's how I felt around her a lot. In general my social life has been on the rise. A friend has asked us just to go hang out somewhere and enjoy a snack, for the last two days. A guy who I hadn't seen for two years or so is coming around more now so we are becoming better friends. Someone randomly wanted to come meet me yesterday because we have a common friend, but unfortunately that fell through. I just think I feel more confident for the first time in my life, at least for a long time. When you realize you really only have to worry about yourself and what kind of life you are creating, and not about anyone else in the least, it is so freeing. My mother called yesterday saying she had gone out to lunch with her ex-boyfriend. I'd usually be really upset, because this guy was so controlling and possessive, though he was really great for a while. She asked me what I thought, and I told her honestly that I thought it wasn't a good idea to get too involved with him because of what happened before, but it was her life, and I really meant it. She said, very sincerely, "Wow, you're the most uncritical, non-judgmental person I know." I had simply told her what I thought, but said she was free to do what she wanted and I wouldn't stop her. And if they do get together, and he is controlling? Then somehow I'm creating that, and I just keep cleaning on it. And if it bothers me a lot, I just do The Work on it and see how something in me is really the source of what is bothering me. Reflect it back on myself and see how I might be possessive and controlling. But maybe it won't happen. When it happened before, I really was more controlling. Not necessarily to the degree that he was, but I felt like I didn't have an identity without Christine and wanted to be with her all the time, lol. So maybe it was just a reflection to show me what I was doing. I am not like that at all now. So that's how Ho'oponopono and The Work are changing my life. It's working from the inside out, and my world is changing as a result. And hey, this is only the first week of it. Imagine what might be happening in a month! I will continue to update.

10-09-2011, 04:45 PM	#22 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	i'm inspired bythis thread. Time for me to connect with what you are doing here. responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me. Where to start?

10-10-2011, 12:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	I did healing for someone last night, and it was amazing. It was emotional healing, so I mixed my own healing techniques, along with Ho'oponopono, and The Work for the outer work of the session. She was very nervous at first, because she's Catholic and wasn't sure if it was OK to do this. But she decided to in the end. It was great. It lasted about 3 and a half hours, because it was involved, but it was great. The healing was for her relationship with her mother, and she really had some breakthroughs. I'm starting to get this idea that I'm playing around with. I know that physical issues are manifestations of deeper problems, but I'm wondering if I can figure out those deeper problems, heal them in the same way, and then hopefully the physical issue would be healed. For instance, Christine's shoulder has been really bothering her for a while now. She says that this makes her feel powerless and unable to do anything. Just an interesting idea.

10-10-2011, 02:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	Cool Bee and Piano Performer - thank you for your words. I embrace them. Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings. Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans. Your concrete examples from your own experience are very helpful. Thank you for writing them here.

10-10-2011, 03:35 PM	#27 (permalink)
CoolBee Family Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,044	ChildofNone - when you feel drawn to participate, in ho'oponopono terms, you just need to 'clean', not necessarily work closely with them as PianoPerformer does. This is an area of work he was already involved with. One thing that you have to take some time over - and none of us are perfect at it - is distinguishing between the conscious mind talking and true inspiration. Check out this link - it's one of the first things I read on ho'oponopono - I couldn't find it yesterday while I was doing my initial response to you. Interview with Dr Hew Len on Hooponopono

10-14-2011, 03:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Prosperity Intention The $350 for the project was paid on Wednesday, and was cleared today. Not a moment too late, as usual. Healing Intention Someone I had done a session for last week came back last night, and we spent five hours talking about our beliefs, doing The Work, and doing healing. Everyone keeps saying how difficult this process is. This one said he wished it was easier, but knew it was helping. It is validation for me. I'm developing an intake form for people to fill out who are interested in healing. It gives me the information I need, including all the practical stuff like how they want to be contacted, but also allows them to discuss who or what they have a problem with, so that it can be covered during the healing. I'm pretty excited about that. The Four Agreements I'm about half-way through this book. I really enjoy it, though its ideas on responsibility aren't as radical as in Ho'oponopono, but that's OK. I still really enjoy the agreements so far (I'm through the first two).

10-19-2011, 04:58 AM	#30 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Prosperity Intention Not too much lately on this front, but I will be getting $60, once two cliens pay up. Also my stock's been going up, about 8% in the last week, so I'm pretty happy about that. Zero Limits Intention So as you know, I read the book Zero Limits. I recently found this product: http://ZeroLimitsLive.com/ I believe it would be really helpful for taking the knowledge from the book to the next level, so I'm intending for that to come about soon. Healing Intention There are a few people potentially interested in healing. We've been getting a lot of prayer requests lately, so I'm happy about that. And this immediately after i had the thought that we hadn't gotten any requests for a while. I finished that intake form i was talking about. It is now the sign-up form for requesting healing, linked to from my holistic healing page on my site. It can be found here: Intake Form for Holistic Healing Pretty simple, but it does the job. The Four Agreements I finished this book today. It was really good, and gave me a lot of inspiration to follow what it was saying. I think it was a bit short on practical examples, though. It was really good theory, but it could have probably gone a bit further with examples. That's what I love about books like Zero Limits and Loving What Is, and I'm making sure to put plenty of examples in my book. But other than that, i really enjoyed it. It aligns pretty well with the other books.

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