Zero Limits

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by loapatti

I don't think Joe Vitale has ever had an original thought in his head and in his books. But whatever he's done has worked out for him.

Joe I think has about four books now. I browsed through three or four of them, I think, "Zero Limits" being the one I read in most detail.

If you read his books, you'll see that he is more like someone who is learning on the way, and as he learns on the way, he takes his experiences and shares them in the form of his writings.

If I recall, if you look at the last part of Zero Limits, he talks about some stuff in his earlier book, and says that knowing what he knows now, he probably wouldn't have written some of that stuff.

In Zero Limits, neither does Joe hold himself out to be the guru. Instead the book is written more about his adventures and relationship with Dr Hew Len, from whom Joe is learning a lot.

And so on .....

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Joe I think has about four books now. I browsed through three or four of them, I think, "Zero Limits" being the one I read in most detail.

If you read his books, you'll see that he is more like someone who is learning on the way, and as he learns on the way, he takes his experiences and shares them in the form of his writings.

If I recall, if you look at the last part of Zero Limits, he talks about some stuff in his earlier book, and says that knowing what he knows now, he probably wouldn't have written some of that stuff.

In Zero Limits, neither does Joe hold himself out to be the guru. Instead the book is written more about his adventures and relationship with Dr Hew Len, from whom Joe is learning a lot.

And so on .....

Yes exactly. That's one of the things I love about Joe Vitale. This is a guy who was in The Secret, and now he comes back in Zero Limits and basically takes back much of what he has taught previously. He no longer believes in setting your own intentions, when that's all he preached before this. So it's a huge turnaround for him, and it takes a lot of courage and integrity, especially for a marketer, to say that he no longer agrees with what he's taught in the past.

[loapatti]

I am sorry, should have not come into this thread and dumped my negativity of Joe Vitale on here.

bygones!

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by loapatti

I am sorry, should have not come into this thread and dumped my negativity of Joe Vitale on here.

bygones!

Not at all. In fact, according to hoʻoponopono, your negativity is my own data replaying in you, so it's good that you did.

But as I said, it's one thing to have negativity, but another to let that stop you from trying something new because of it, especially something that could potentially change things for the better in your life.

I've tried things and am trying things that I thought were absolutely crazy, but I can't complain about it until I actually try it. See the Clear Light Water thread as an example. It tripped every flag I have, but since another member had positive experiences with it, I decided to give it a try.

Even the Ceeport products as I talk about in this thread seem to be crazy and hard to wrap your mind around how an object can clean for you. But I'm still trying it and reporting the results.

[ChildOfNone]

Christ's Light - I like your new name.

I am finding myself dragging my feet, resisting.
Time to own up and get moving.
Time to change my own moniker and time to get together for some healing.
Thank you.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Christ's Light - I like your new name.

Thanks. Another result of inspiration.

Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

I am finding myself dragging my feet, resisting.
Time to own up and get moving.
Time to change my own moniker and time to get together for some healing.
Thank you.

I am sorry you are resisting. I will clean on that.

Do you know why you are resisting?

[ChristsLight]

OK, I got the Ceeport card on Saturday, as I said. Here are my observations:

Sunday was crazy! I almost wanted to throw the card away or rip it up, lol, but I know it's a good thing.

As you know, the card is supposed to help you clean, and clean for you when you aren't thinking of it. But I really think it does it much more effectively. It threw everything into hyperdrive, but in the process dug up a lot of stuff I would have rather not been dug up. I think I had more frustrations yesterday than I've had for a while.

But the good thing was that with each conflict or frustration, it was over a lot sooner than it normally would have been. I felt what I felt, but then it was over in a short time.

When Christine and I have a conflict, a lot of times it drags out for two hours. Both of us are very stubborn, lol, and she is Italian , so it's par for the course in her family. But yesterday, no matter whether it regarded something with her or just something with myself, it was over within ten minutes. So I guess that's progress.

I feel like Criseyde in the other thread where she did hoʻoponopono and then she had major problems with her car. In that situation, it turned out just a bit of persistence was necessary and it was actually better than she could have expected, so I know it is the same in my case: it will dig up some stuff, but only to reveal better things on the other side.

The funny thing was that as the first conflict started on Sunday, Christine and I just eventually looked at each other and said, “It has to be that card!”

The biggest discouragement yesterday just involved myself. We got a pizza stone and a pizza peel for our second reception, so I really wanted to make pizza directly on the stone. Now of course I'm blind, and I didn't realize what a difficult thing this could end up being.

We had people over for dinner, which was good since I wanted sighted assistance doing this for the first time.

Well long story short, when the pizza slid onto the stone, one corner of it fell off the side. It was a disaster! Thank goodness the pizza was salvageable, and it was actually really good in the end. It was discouraging, because I didn't want to be unable to use this stone just because I'm blind. I think we figured out a way though, so we're trying it again soon.

I'm curious yet a little apprehensive to see how it goes over the next few days. Hopefully the worst is over.

[ssandra]

I hope you don't consider this an inappropriate question... but have you tried cleaning on your blindness? To see if your eyesight might improve?

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by ssandra

I hope you don't consider this an inappropriate question... but have you tried cleaning on your blindness? To see if your eyesight might improve?

I have had the intention to, but haven't thought to do so very much.

But I must point out again that we don't clean for an outcome. Sight or no sight are only two sides of the same program. We clean to be free of the program at all. Whatever the result is is OK, but we don't search for that outcome.

I have done so for Christine's sight, and I would like to for my own, just because it is something in my life that gives a good opportunity to clean on.

To you and to anyone who ever has a similar question, please never feel that a question is inappropriate. I'm totally open to discuss anything regarding my condition or anything else.

[Greek Dog]

ChristsLight - it is me ChildOfNone with a new name Greek Dog.

I needed a new being. Feeling much better now.
OK - to your question about the source of resistance. Oh yes I do have a good idea about where it comes from. I may not have the complete picture but I certainly have a strong partial picture.

I was thinking that cleaning on the foundation might knock out the resistance but then I read your post to Ssandra in which you say that we don't clear for an outcome. I didn't know that. I have to reorient my thinking around that. I think I have been outcome oriented.

Now I want to learn about the card you got on Saturday. How fascinating is that! I love that your disturbances decreased from 2 hours to 10 minutes. That is really incredible.

I hate that experience of healing in which the dust gets kicked up BUT it is without question worth it when the healing replaces the dust storm. I was keeping my thoughts on "Thank you" and "I love you" this morning and I realized that one of the things that has happened in the recent weeks for me is that by getting I/M achievements on deadline issues has given me an experience of success that allows me to cut out the fear of failure. I'm using these recent successes to circumvent the past journey through fear of failure every time I held a thought of healing. Whew! One obstacle out of the way.

[ssandra]

Originally Posted by ChristsLight

I have had the intention to, but haven't thought to do so very much.

But I must point out again that we don't clean for an outcome. Sight or no sight are only two sides of the same program. We clean to be free of the program at all. Whatever the result is is OK, but we don't search for that outcome.

Ah yes.

I was just thinking... it was causing you discomfort when using the pizza thing, so it would be good to clean on that discomfort... right?

And besides that it would simply be too cool for words when you would improve your eyesight because of this

(I am still very much in the program and liking it. I don't want to get rid of the program. The program is way to entertaining from my point of view)

[Criseyde]

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

ChristsLight - it is me ChildOfNone with a new name Greek Dog.

I needed a new being. Feeling much better now.

That's interesting. I see that you signed up with this username in 2007, whereas ChildOfNone is from 2011. You know we only allow one active account here, right? I'm going to have to retire one of them.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

ChristsLight - it is me ChildOfNone with a new name Greek Dog.

I needed a new being. Feeling much better now.

Very good. Agree with Criseyde that the old one needs closed down.

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

OK - to your question about the source of resistance. Oh yes I do have a good idea about where it comes from. I may not have the complete picture but I certainly have a strong partial picture.

I was thinking that cleaning on the foundation might knock out the resistance but then I read your post to Ssandra in which you say that we don't clear for an outcome. I didn't know that. I have to reorient my thinking around that. I think I have been outcome oriented.

Just hold the resistance in your heart, and start cleaning on it. Whatever happens, happens. I am sure that it will diminish, but your goal is to be free.

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

Now I want to learn about the card you got on Saturday. How fascinating is that! I love that your disturbances decreased from 2 hours to 10 minutes. That is really incredible.

I hate that experience of healing in which the dust gets kicked up BUT it is without question worth it when the healing replaces the dust storm. I was keeping my thoughts on "Thank you" and "I love you" this morning and I realized that one of the things that has happened in the recent weeks for me is that by getting I/M achievements on deadline issues has given me an experience of success that allows me to cut out the fear of failure. I'm using these recent successes to circumvent the past journey through fear of failure every time I held a thought of healing. Whew! One obstacle out of the way.

On the card, yes it has been great.

Today was less eventful. There were a few things that bubbled to the surface, but did stay under the surface today.

There was only one thing that made me upset. I had to email a professor a proposal for a paper. Well the idea for the proposal came from inspiration, so that was great. But when I wrote up the proposal and sent it to him, he emailed back saying, basically, "This isn't a proposal." I hadn't followed his guidelines I guess. But it kind of hurt. So I rewrote the proposal and sent it. I haven't gotten a reply yet, but I think it was better, hopefully.

Regarding your fear of failure, that sounds like another thing to clean on. I'm glad you're making progresso n it, though.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by ssandra

Ah yes.

I was just thinking... it was causing you discomfort when using the pizza thing, so it would be good to clean on that discomfort... right?

And besides that it would simply be too cool for words when you would improve your eyesight because of this

(I am still very much in the program and liking it. I don't want to get rid of the program. The program is way to entertaining from my point of view)

Yeah it's definitely good to clean on that discomfort. It's not something that comes up for me a lot, but if I want to do something that seems impossible, then it does come up for me.

Well just because you can see doesn't mean that you're in that program. But if you have fear over not seeing, then you're stuck in it.

[ChristsLight]

The Ceeport pins came today. I got one for Christine as well.

Today was a much calmer day, thank goodness. It was actually quite a good day, but I was nervous to go anywhere lest something happen. Nothing did, besides me becoming frustrated with the professor because of the proposal.

It's funny. Every person who visits our house, and with whom I have discussions, always say that I stretch their mind when they are here. I take that as a compliment. And yes, these are pretty hardcore Catholics who are saying this.

See The Tale of the Perfect Pizza for the conclusion of the pizza disaster yesterday.

Overall, I have a feeling that things are starting to shift in order to prepare for something. What, I don't know. But it's just one of those feelings.

On the prosperity side, it is strange to have money for once. I invested $355 in the stock market, and put $1,000 into savings, and we still have a good bit left. If I want to stop resisting prosperity, then I should probably get used to having over $1,000 on hand at once, so this is itself a growth experience. It's nice to be free (but not too free) with money, though, instead of having to pinch pennies. My goal is to have this be my minimal state when it comes to prosperity; let it only go upwards from here. I believe that one day I will laugh at where I am now.

[Greek Dog]

ChristsLight - As I wrote on my dream thread today I received more insight into what the resistance is about. Thanks for your guidance about cleaning on that resistance and on the fear. This is appearing to be very important work for me. It goes to stuff that has been held for decades. It is time to clear it. Thanks for your help. It is very much appreciated.
Dreams - window on a changing consciousness

[ChristsLight]

Thanks Ms. Dog. It is also in my reality now, because you have told me, so I am cleaning on it as well.

I read your latest dream. I think it brings up some good points, but I disagree with one of your conclusions.

You say that you have to be in the driver's seat. I disagree with that. When Dog Ego is in the driver's seat, she is very near-sighted, just as any ego is near-sighted. She can only see what's directly in front of her. Any action is reactionary, because she is reacting to what appears in her reality.

But if the ego relinquishes control to the Divine, to God, if you will, then suddenly everything is in full view, not for the ego, but for God, and any decision that is made will be inspired, not based on subconscious programs playing out in the world. It will be action-oriented, not reaction-oriented.

So instead of being about the need to take control, I think it is about the need to give up control.

[Greek Dog]

Bingo Christs Light.
You are right. I get it.

I was reading and posting on other threads and just before I read your last post I had this image of myself in the driver's seat and the thought that flashed in my mind was that it could be God there and seconds later I read your post.

I love that kind of experience. It is as though your words were powered with flashing neon. They certainly got my attention. But more than that they are really what I wanted to hear. It just fits. AND it is incredibly comforting. I'm all in. This is a good journey.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

Bingo Christs Light.
You are right. I get it.

I was reading and posting on other threads and just before I read your last post I had this image of myself in the driver's seat and the thought that flashed in my mind was that it could be God there and seconds later I read your post.

I love that kind of experience. It is as though your words were powered with flashing neon. They certainly got my attention. But more than that they are really what I wanted to hear. It just fits. AND it is incredibly comforting. I'm all in. This is a good journey.

That's great. I'm glad that they resonated for you. I only ever post what I truly feel inspired to post.

The greatest thing coming up for me lately is that there's really nothing to do. This was really hard for my ego to take at first. But it's really starting to make sense now. There is nothing to do besides just to be. In the terms of hoʻoponopono, the only thing we are here to do is to clean. Whatever comes out of that is inspiration and it will just be done without our own effort. I'm really trying to live like this, but sometimes it is hard to know what is inspiration and what is not.

When we try to do anything, it just distracts us from our true nature. God is already living through the expressions of body and mind known as separate individuals, but the ego is blind to this and tries to do something to get there. However, the ego wants to be in control, just as you wanted to be in the driver's seat. But God says, no, you are not in control. To be in control is to just create more suffering for yourself. To let God be in control is to give up being something you are not. Really there is no letting at all: the ego could never be in control no matter how hard it tried.

This all came as an instant realization earlier tonight, probably as the result of cleaning. It is really amazing to see with such clarity.

[Greek Dog]

He no longer believes in setting your own intentions,

I've not read Zero Limits yet so I did not realize that you have been writing about a concept that differed from setting our own intentions. By that do you mean that what we are doing is aligning our intentions with a greater consciousness?

[Greek Dog]

Christs Light I had an insight last night after I posted.
I did see myself in the driver's seat but I recognized God as my navigator, directing me.

[ChristsLight]

Originally Posted by Greek Dog

I've not read Zero Limits yet so I did not realize that you have been writing about a concept that differed from setting our own intentions. By that do you mean that what we are doing is aligning our intentions with a greater consciousness?

It is about completely dropping our intentions. The ego does not know what is really best for you, though it may try. Intentions are just more manifestations of data playing out in the world.

If you have the desire for something, you just keep cleaning on it. Sometimes you will receive the desired thing, sometimes you will not, and sometimes you will receive something much greater.

That's why we don't clean with outcomes in mind. We don't know what God knows is best for us. To continue to clean and remain open to Love is to completely drop all pretense of knowing what is good, and just surrendering it to God.

So hoʻoponopono is not in alignment with LoA in the way of achieving desires. It transcends LoA.

[Greek Dog]

Ok. I get that.
I will let it percolate for a while.
Thank you.

[ChristsLight]

I did a healing session last night, and it was amazing. I've been experimenting with the format of the session, but last night was a huge success. It was enjoyable for me to do, and I really felt like this was my true purpose. I could see measurable results even within the session, and it was just so inspiring to see that happen.

What I used to do is to talk to the person for about 5-10 minutes about what they need, get off the phone to do healing for about 30 minutes, then talk again about how it went. But I found that I wasn't enjoying it and didn't really feel like I was making that much of a difference.

But with the new format, I do see huge results. She had written down statements according to The Work, but by the time we got to the end of the session, she was at such a different place mentally that the statements didn't even make sense anymore. I was able to give real tools to overcome suffering and to heal.

The session was supposed to be an hour, but went over to about an hour and a half, but it didn't feel like it at all. I don't like watching the clock when doing healing, since I think it's more important to work through the process than to get off exactly at an hour.

I post it here because I was of course cleaning before and during the session. The interesting thing was that when I cleaned before the session, I started to get intuitive impressions even before talking to her. During the session, I could tell that I was at zero because things were coming up from inspiration that were just amazing, and clearly not from me. I was at zero nearly the entire time, and so it flowed smoothly and what needed to come up, did, and at the perfect time.

So needless to say, I'm very happy with using hoʻoponopono before, during, and even after healing.

[Greek Dog]

Hey - ChristsLight, I wanted to let you know what I am experiencing after our healing session. I woke up this morning with a crystalized image of something that has been an obstacle for me for some years.

It was such a fascinating experience. I have been aware of a kind of shadow following me, a dark presence. Since our healing session I was again made aware of how my brain and head lead my functioning with some sort of disjunction with the heart and gut.

As I was thinking about an email I planned to send the book title Whose Got Your Back flashed into my mind and the light bulb went off.

Whose Got Your Back - I grew up in a family controlled by my father who would regularly set us up for failure while using language about love and responsibility and all virtue. He held himself up as having our back while sitting on perch waiting to pounce on any revealed vulnerability, much like a vicious boss intent on sabotage.

As this came into focus I immediately saw how the dark energy of this wounding has attracted more of the same in other aspects of my life, drawing sabotage and set up. No wonder it is scary and difficult to get the strength up to venture out into the world or take on projects that require collaboration.

Our work brought into focus what had been a swirl of confusion about what needs healing.

[ChristsLight]

Thank you so much for your experience, Greek Dog. I'm glad that things are being made clear for you. Hopefully the clarity you gained during the session is lasting.

Have you thought more about my question about inspiration, an how has that affected the rest of what you are discussing here?

[Greek Dog]

I spent much of yesterday weighing inspiration against ought. That is the transition I am in of course - moving out of "ought" into "inspiration". What I am experiencing this morning is something like a magnifying glass view of where I am and how I got here.

The path from here to inspiration.

[ChristsLight]

Quite a bit happened yesterday. Firstly, I had a realization about my Web site. I have been feeling stuck. I've been thinking of things to write, but nothing really strikes a chord that makes me want to act on it now.

It came to me yesterday that the problem was that I created the structure of the site logically, not by inspiration. I made it too much about objective information and not about my own inspirations and what I have learned through my spiritual path. So now I'm cleaning on restructuring the Web site and writing some inspiring new articles. I'm also thinking about doing a weekly message that would be in audio, but we'll see if that is from inspiration or not.

Christine and I have been pondering what her role in the site would be. She has different beliefs than I do, so we're just trying to figure out how both of us can work together on the site.

There was also an incident last night where it came up that she feels intimidated by my beliefs. I of course never try to change hers, but I discuss my own beliefs. But she feels sometimes like she is wrong in what she believes, and as an extension of that, she is very unclear on what her purpose is.

So we were discussing that, and I was saying that we're obviously going to be different since we have two completely different purposes. I was asking her what she would love to do.

I was cleaning this whole time, so I was at zero. It came to me that she wants to teach people about the Holy Spirit, and allow this to transform their lives, and thereby also help others through healing and such. Once I stated this, she agreed whole-heartedly.

Then a phrase played literally word-for-word in my head, and it said: "Evangelist of the Holy Spirit."

So I said, "It's like you're an evangelist of the Holy Spirit."

I could feel the energy shift immediately. This inspired her, and she started discussing what it would mean for her in her life.

I felt like that simple phrase was like a mission statement for her, and it hit home immediately.

Now in a new article she's writing, she uses the title "Evangelist of the Holy Spirit" under her name, and she loves it! I can tell that this is from inspiration, because while she was stuck on writing an article for months now, this gave her the inspiration to just start writing one last night.

So, while I was at zero, I decided to ask about such a statement for myself as well.

The words that played this time were, "Bringer of Light."

As in, I bring Christ's Light to penetrate the destructive illusions of others and help them to see the truth of perfect Love. I think Greek Dog would agree this is what happened in our healing session. This statement is now reflected in my user title.

So Christine and I now both have statements that inspire each of us toward our individual purposes. Our purposes are unique, but really not all that different when you think about it. She brings the power of the Holy Spirit into people's lives, and I help them to wake up to the fact that Love is already their true nature.

This will also be reflected on the Web site, though how I do not know right now. But I do know that instead of our beliefs and our purposes being at opposition, it will be like a dance between them, weaving together in perfect harmony, yet distinct from one another all the same.

So as far as applying this to your own life, I would say that if you are feeling stuck in some area of life, it is as a result of not coming at it from inspiration, but from logic or mind-centeredness. That will kill even the best of pursuits. Coming from inspiration will totally change the rules, and it will become something you could have never expected.

If you want to be successful in anything, you need to approach it from inspiration, or else it will simply fizzle out. There is a huge difference.

[ChristsLight]

Greek Dog, the thing that is clear for me right now is that inspiration is something that arises in every moment if you allow it. Just like how I told you that you are already aligned with God's will, so inspiration is already accessible right now.

Certainly it may take a while for your life to change from being centered around "should" to being centered around inspiration, but you can make the small changes every moment, just like I'm discussing in my previous post.

Don't let your mind get caught up in this. I'm glad you have a greater view now of where you are, but now just let inspiration take over, and things will shift much faster than you could expect.

[ChristsLight]

Greek Dog, forgive the odd question, but are you at all interested in creative pursuits? I mean especially things such as art in any form, painting, weaving, etc.