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ChildOfNone · 10-09-2011, 04:45 PM

i'm inspired bythis thread.
Time for me to connect with what you are doing here.
responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me.

Where to start?

CoolBee · 10-09-2011, 05:25 PM

Right now, before you can get hold of any books?
What's bugging you right now?
Accept that you do not know and cannot know what it is within you that created it.
You just need to 'clean' it. Mabel Katz talks about it in terms of deleting old programmes from a computer.

The simplest cleaning is to say:

"I'm sorry, forgive me, thank you, I love you".

What does it mean? It's short for:

"I'm sorry for whatever it is in me that gave rise to this situation, which I cannot know"
"I forgive me (myself for feeling bad, for whatever it is that I don't know), I ask you to forgive me for whatever it is I might have done or my ancestors might have done that gave rise to this situation"
"Thank you (for bringing it to my attention that I have still some 'cleaning' (of thoughts, memories, old patterns) to do"
"I love you ('you' being myself, 'you' being the others in the situation)".

It helps to say it outloud (in private if you prefer!) rather than mutter it under your breath or in your head. A friend of mine also experienced a profound shift in her relationship with her partner when she said it outloud AND in full!

Some people I have talked to about it have a great deal of difficulty in accepting the 'responsibility' part, taking it as meaning 'blame'. But it doesn't. You just have responsibility to clean it.
Like if you're going down an untidy street, you're not to blame (probably!), but you can either accept responsibility for picking up the rubbish or not, as you like. Which one will improve your environment fastest?

Also note that you can buy various commercial 'cleaning tools' on the net but you don't need any of it, you can use anything you are inspired about. For example, I was inspired to use a jar that had had blueberries in it, and I filled it with 'solarized' water (don't worry about all that!) and used it as a 'cleaning' focus for a couple of months when things were very very tense over here.

Personally, I see some connection between the 'cleaning tools' and NLP 'anchors'. I don't think the tools themselves are important, but just serve to anchor your state in a particular place.

pianoperformer · 10-09-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

i'm inspired bythis thread.
Time for me to connect with what you are doing here.
responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me.

Where to start?

If you ever want to discuss it in our correspondence, let me know. I can help you with both of the processes I'm discussing in this thread. CoolBee's description of Ho'oponopono is really good as well.

I'd like to discuss self-healing in my book, so I'll probably be talking about some of these ideas soon.

pianoperformer · 10-10-2011, 12:03 PM

I did healing for someone last night, and it was amazing. It was emotional healing, so I mixed my own healing techniques, along with Ho'oponopono, and The Work for the outer work of the session.

She was very nervous at first, because she's Catholic and wasn't sure if it was OK to do this. But she decided to in the end.

It was great. It lasted about 3 and a half hours, because it was involved, but it was great. The healing was for her relationship with her mother, and she really had some breakthroughs.

I'm starting to get this idea that I'm playing around with. I know that physical issues are manifestations of deeper problems, but I'm wondering if I can figure out those deeper problems, heal them in the same way, and then hopefully the physical issue would be healed. For instance, Christine's shoulder has been really bothering her for a while now. She says that this makes her feel powerless and unable to do anything. Just an interesting idea.

ChildOfNone · 10-10-2011, 02:36 PM

Cool Bee and Piano Performer - thank you for your words. I embrace them.

Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings.

Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans.

Your concrete examples from your own experience are very helpful. Thank you for writing them here.

CoolBee · 10-10-2011, 03:35 PM

ChildofNone - when you feel drawn to participate, in ho'oponopono terms, you just need to 'clean', not necessarily work closely with them as PianoPerformer does. This is an area of work he was already involved with. One thing that you have to take some time over - and none of us are perfect at it - is distinguishing between the conscious mind talking and true inspiration.

Check out this link - it's one of the first things I read on ho'oponopono - I couldn't find it yesterday while I was doing my initial response to you.

Interview with Dr Hew Len on Hooponopono

pianoperformer · 10-10-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings.

Thank you so much. I'm so happy that they are helping you in that way. That's why I write about my experiences.

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans.

You don't have to answer if you don't want to, but what do you feel within you when you see financial hardship and unemployment? What does that trigger in you? How did you create this in your life?

Go within, forgive yourself, love yourself, and give thanks for the beautiful being you are and for God's blessings in your life. Those four simple phrases of Ho'oponopono are good symbols for that process.

But if you can figure out the emotional undertone, let me know and we can work through it if you like.

Shamira · 10-10-2011, 05:01 PM

I didn't really think there was much new in the book Zero Limits. We must not forget that Joe Vitale is an expert marketer, and it seems never misses an opportunity in any of his books to make a sale. That is just his background.
I can't help respecting more, someone who consistently does what he says...who Walks the talk as you might say. The idea of forgiveness is ancient spiritual knowledge and I think the original story of oponopono reflect the long spiritual development of the doctor who was originally able to do it.

pianoperformer · 10-10-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamira

I didn't really think there was much new in the book Zero Limits. We must not forget that Joe Vitale is an expert marketer, and it seems never misses an opportunity in any of his books to make a sale. That is just his background.
I can't help respecting more, someone who consistently does what he says...who Walks the talk as you might say. The idea of forgiveness is ancient spiritual knowledge and I think the original story of oponopono reflect the long spiritual development of the doctor who was originally able to do it.

Joe Vitale is a marketer/business man. Making money is what he does. So, the fact that he marketed his products in the book was not surprising to me. He would not be good at making money if he would let that opportunity slip by.

I didn't mind, though. I got a lot out of the book, and it was very inspirational to me, so it was OK that he did that.

Also, I liked his style. He was very down-to-earth, very regular. I liked that.

cacheborn · 10-11-2011, 05:55 AM

Found this quote in yesterday's newsletter by Mabel Katz. Thought I would share it with you.

Quote:

There is Nobody out there- just you and your memories. Because you have free choice, you are the only one that can stop them. Once you choose to let go and stop the programs, you do not have to worry about anything because you are giving permission to be guided and protected. You have decided to allow the part of you that knows better to erase and bring inspiration to your life.

pianoperformer · 10-11-2011, 06:04 AM

On the prosperity front: The $700 project is coming through. I sent the invoice for the down deposit of $350.00 today and everything seems to be on schedule. It'll be an extra $50.00 a month once the project is over, for maintenance and hosting.

I also remembered I needed to invoice a few clients this month that I haven't for a while, so I sent out another invoice, and have to send out another tomorrow, both for $30.00.

I have a feeling that more is on the way somehow, so we'll see what happens there.

In the area of healing, I feel a bit stuck, and that's manifesting itself. I now really have an inspiration to help others with it, but have a lack of people to work with. I guess I have worked with two people here on campus where I live, but I want even more than that through the Web site. I'm working on developing an intake form so that people can write out the issues they want to work through with the healing sessions. I'm starting to look at working more with long-term healing in several sessions, rather than quick-fixes in one session, though certainly that's available, too. I want to teach people how to be healed, and how to overcome their suffering.

So I have this new-found inspiration, but just waiting for the demand to increase. Maybe I'll clean on it and report my results. It seems to be working with money.

I had some more thoughts on healing today, though. They stem from the ideas in The Work.

If suffering is a result of arguing with reality, trying to make things different than they really are, then perhaps this is the problem with much of healing. With healing, we are saying that you have a problem, and now we are going to get rid of that problem through healing. It's a negative perspective.

What if we need to love what is? Love the condition of my being, physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, and then it can feel free to be whatever it needs to be in the moment. Love it for what it is, because it is, and don't tell it that it should be a certain way, and don't get frustrated because it isn't that way now.

So what if we really have to listen to our bodies? If we are not feeling well with it, then say, "Body, what is it? What do you need?" And it might say, "I just need love." Or it might say, "I need more rest." Or it might say, "I need not to be so stressed." So instead of telling it, "Feel better!", we are loving it, and giving it what it needs right now, what makes it feel good right now.

If you have a sore throat, drink hot tea because it makes you feel good right now in the present, not because you have a sore throat. It is just listening to what you really need. Don't resist the sickness, but let it teach you, as all other suffering teaches us.

It came up today because I came back from class feeling miserable, and it had just come about suddenly. I kept sneezing and I felt really congested. So I said, "Why am I suffering?" I realized that I was suffering because I didn't want to be congested. I was resisting it. Once I stopped resisting it and was able to just love my body for how it was at that moment, it wasn't nearly as bad.

Just some thoughts that I'm investigating. Who knows what's true?

In my life, I've been instituting a no-stress policy. No "shoulds," no guilt, no blame, no excuses. It's been very freeing, though it is difficult to apply to everything.

pianoperformer · 10-11-2011, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cacheborn

Found this quote in yesterday's newsletter by Mabel Katz. Thought I would share it with you.

Thanks. I really like that.

ChildOfNone · 10-11-2011, 04:37 PM

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what do you feel within you when you see financial hardship and unemployment? What does that trigger in you? How did you create this in your life?

Piano Performer - your question redirected my mind. I would have thought that such concern came from a compassionate heart and perhaps that is part but as I probed I saw that I felt fear, undeserving, unworthiness, helplessness, hopelessness, failure, judgment and condemnation. And I saw the source as well. So I am using Ho'oponopono.

Are you familiar with Ruiz' The Four Agreements? When I read them a few years ago I recognized how powerful it is to own my responsibility for taking offense. Your question shines a light on an area where I took offense as a child and unconsciously have held onto it. Now I can clear it. There is much more work for me. I long for the void and all the clearing.

pianoperformer · 10-11-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Piano Performer - your question redirected my mind. I would have thought that such concern came from a compassionate heart and perhaps that is part but as I probed I saw that I felt fear, undeserving, unworthiness, helplessness, hopelessness, failure, judgment and condemnation. And I saw the source as well. So I am using Ho'oponopono.

I'm glad you had that realization. Please let me know how it goes with Ho'oponopono.

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

Are you familiar with Ruiz' The Four Agreements? When I read them a few years ago I recognized how powerful it is to own my responsibility for taking offense. Your question shines a light on an area where I took offense as a child and unconsciously have held onto it. Now I can clear it. There is much more work for me. I long for the void and all the clearing.

No, I've not heard of that. Perhaps I will look into it.

Criseyde · 10-11-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pianoperformer

No, I've not heard of that. Perhaps I will look into it.

That is a really good book. I second the recommendation. I think it'll be right up your alley.

pianoperformer · 10-11-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Criseyde

That is a really good book. I second the recommendation. I think it'll be right up your alley.

Thanks. I got the book.

pianoperformer · 10-12-2011, 06:41 AM

Prosperity Intention

The project is still going through, though there is some difficulty with the client making the payment (a problem with PayPal). So I'll keep cleaning on that. He's trying again tomorrow.

Healing Intention

I have been cleaning on my resistance against more people coming to me for healing. A girl came to Christine today for massage, and we discovered that she had been wanting to talk to someone about her issues as well. So I did healing with her for about an hour and a half, and it was great. I really saw how beliefs about yourself can really affect how you perceive reality. I was asking her to imagine possibilities outside of her current reality, and that was really difficult for her to do. If you think you are ugly, it is hard to feel the possibility of being beautiful. But I think we made a lot of progress.

I also see how it is all a reflection of myself. I am getting a lot of people with self-worth issues, which is something I've dealt with for a long time now. Perhaps I need to do cleaning on that issue itself.

I'm still cleaning on this though. I want to manifest people coming to me for healing, but who pay for that session. I can't afford to do too much more for free, though I'm glad for the experience, because it helps me to see where I can improve. So perhaps this is a combination of the healing and prosperity intentions.

ssandra · 10-12-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pianoperformer

If you think you are ugly, it is hard to feel the possibility of being beautiful. But I think we made a lot of progress.

Quantum Linguistics can really be very beneficial here for you to use, I think.

This is an ok article that I found about it: The Heart of Quantum Linguistics

contact me if you would like more information, or explanation and I'll do my best.

pianoperformer · 10-14-2011, 03:59 PM

Prosperity Intention

The $350 for the project was paid on Wednesday, and was cleared today. Not a moment too late, as usual.

Healing Intention

Someone I had done a session for last week came back last night, and we spent five hours talking about our beliefs, doing The Work, and doing healing. Everyone keeps saying how difficult this process is. This one said he wished it was easier, but knew it was helping. It is validation for me.

I'm developing an intake form for people to fill out who are interested in healing. It gives me the information I need, including all the practical stuff like how they want to be contacted, but also allows them to discuss who or what they have a problem with, so that it can be covered during the healing. I'm pretty excited about that.

The Four Agreements

I'm about half-way through this book. I really enjoy it, though its ideas on responsibility aren't as radical as in Ho'oponopono, but that's OK. I still really enjoy the agreements so far (I'm through the first two).

pianoperformer · 10-19-2011, 04:58 AM

Prosperity Intention

Not too much lately on this front, but I will be getting $60, once two cliens pay up. Also my stock's been going up, about 8% in the last week, so I'm pretty happy about that.

Zero Limits Intention

So as you know, I read the book Zero Limits. I recently found this product: http://ZeroLimitsLive.com/

I believe it would be really helpful for taking the knowledge from the book to the next level, so I'm intending for that to come about soon.

Healing Intention

There are a few people potentially interested in healing.

We've been getting a lot of prayer requests lately, so I'm happy about that. And this immediately after i had the thought that we hadn't gotten any requests for a while.

I finished that intake form i was talking about. It is now the sign-up form for requesting healing, linked to from my holistic healing page on my site. It can be found here: Intake Form for Holistic Healing

Pretty simple, but it does the job.

The Four Agreements

I finished this book today. It was really good, and gave me a lot of inspiration to follow what it was saying.

I think it was a bit short on practical examples, though. It was really good theory, but it could have probably gone a bit further with examples. That's what I love about books like Zero Limits and Loving What Is, and I'm making sure to put plenty of examples in my book.

But other than that, i really enjoyed it. It aligns pretty well with the other books.

ChildOfNone · 10-19-2011, 02:34 PM

i like eamples as well. I particularly like the examples that you use which are personal. It opens up a connection between the reader and you and a special way that defies words.

pianoperformer · 10-19-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

i like eamples as well. I particularly like the examples that you use which are personal. It opens up a connection between the reader and you and a special way that defies words.

Thanks. i really appreciate that sentiment.

pianoperformer · 10-20-2011, 04:33 AM

I've realized that all of these processes have been really improving my relationship with Christine.

i want to mention from the outset that we have a great relationship. Of course if I'm going to talk about it in this context, I'm going to talk about the troublesome parts, but really it is very small in comparison to how the rest of our relationship is.

But we do generally get in a lot of arguments, as we are both very stubborn people. Fortunately we always make up immediately afterwards, even if the argument goes for a while, but I'd rather not have it in the first place.

However, through Ho'oponopono and The Work, I've realized that it's really been changing over the last week or so. Our last major disagreement was last Thursday. There have been a few close calls, but I've been able to take control over myself and any kind of confrontation was avoided. I love the quote from Loving What Is that says that it only takes one person to have a peaceful relationship, so that is how I try to conduct myself.

But we have only seemed to become more loving and more caring for one another. Christine has become less judgmental overall, and we have become much closer.

Why is this happening? Because I create the problem, but now I am healing that perceived problem through Ho'oponopono. It was never her in the first place, because I am completely responsible for all problems. It was my problem that she was judgmental and argumentative, and it is only my responsibility to heal. With that realization, it has been being healed very effectively.

ChildOfNone · 10-20-2011, 05:53 PM

I have been noticing a difference in the relationship with my strongwilled child as well. Yesterday, I asked him to play with another child, the child of a friend. He was very angry about it. I took responsibility rather than doing my usual song and dance about it being his responsibility. I left him alone and in time he returned to play with this other child.

Though it was a good outcome, I had let go of the outcome and was holding onto my responsibility. That moment of detaching from the outcome I preferred was transformative.

This morning I had a sensation right in the middle of my "crown", along a line that splits my cranium between left and rright. The sensation was one of being given an apology. It generated a sense of peace and as I allowed the feeling to drip down though my being I saw the connection between this and practicing ho'oponopono.

Holding that peace.

pianoperformer · 10-20-2011, 06:00 PM

That's so great.

Can I ask, while you were doing Ho'oponopono, how did yog actually respond in the moment, once he was angry? What was your response to him?

I know it's a weird question, but I'm curious how this works with working with children, for when we have children. I feel like if I would just give in and say "OK," that gives more power to the child and they might take advantage of that.

I know I'm looking at it dualistically, but I'm just curious how it worked for you.

ChildOfNone · 10-20-2011, 06:52 PM

i was talking to my child outide of a small toy store where the other child wanted to play a multiplayer video game. My son refused and so they were playing individual games side by side. While outside I explained to my son that I could not "make" him do anything, that ultimately it was his choice. I went on to explain that there can be value in doing things that we do not want to do at times and then I told him that the choice was his and I went back inside. While inside I simply practiced the ho'oponopono, letting go of whatever the outcome might be.

pianoperformer · 10-20-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChildOfNone

i was lking to my child outide of a small toy store where the other child wanted tto play a multiplayer video game. My son refused and so they were playing individual games side by side. While outside I explained to my son that I could not "make" him do anything, that ultimately it was his choice. I went on to explain that there can be value in doing things that we do not want to do at times and then I told him that the choice was his and I went back inside. While inside I simply practiced the ho'oponopono, letting go of whatever the outcome might be.

That's awesome. Thanks for sharing.

Sometimes I think that parents are too quick to punish, and not actually reasonably tell the child what is wrong. So I really like your approach.

By the way, I believe I sent you an email a day or two ago. Did you receive it?

pianoperformer · 10-21-2011, 05:38 PM

Does anyone have the book, Loving What Is? I'm looking for the page where she says that it is not we who think, but we are thought. In the same way, it is not we who breathe, but we are breathed.

I'm referring to it in my book, and wanted to source it, but don't have the page numbers since I listened to the audio version.

pianoperformer · 10-24-2011, 02:50 PM

I really feel that the combination of The Work and ho ʻ oponopono is the perfect one-two punch for healing limiting beliefs. It surprises me every time how effective they both can be when applied diligently. It requires staring fear in the face, but once you do these practices, you can just laugh at the fear.

I had some late work I had to turn in for a professor. I took an incomplete last semester for various reasons.

I am a master procrastinator. I will absolutely do work the night before it is due, regardless of what the work is. The thing is that it usually works for me, and I still do fairly well.

The thing is, I was having so much trouble getting this work done, and for no reason. It was due a few weeks ago, but I got an extension. Then I had three extra weeks, which I did not take advantage of.

I was feeling pretty guilty about this, and believing I deserved to fail, thinking the professors would be angry at me, etc.

Anyway I finally sent in my work last Friday. It still wasn't the full work, but enough of it. The funny thing was that once I actually looked at the work, I laughed because it wasn't that bad.

Anyway, I got an email from the professor today. Immediately I froze, fear flooding my consciousness. I avoided it for a while, just passing over the email until I checked the rest of it.

I debated just deleting the email. After all, the work is done—the email can't be that important.

I debated just reading it without facing my fear, but then I'd be passing up an opportunity to grow.

So, I did my usual: I opened up a text document and started writing out my feelings.

I got this:

Quote:

I am afraid of Dr. K's email because he is probably angry with me.
I am afraid of Dr. K's email because he is probably telling me I have failed.

I didn't need to do more than this, so I did The Work on these statements.

The turned-around statements revealed my beliefs.

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I am angry with myself [for not doing the work].
I tell myself I've failed.

I also got out of it:

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I deserve to fail.
I deserve for Dr. K to be angry with me.

All these lies—lies on top of lies.

As I did this, I felt the gunk of these fears and beliefs clearing away, and an empty space being left where they were. I felt more clarity, less blockage.

I did ho ʻ oponopono on everything that was dredged up to help clear it out. It's like The Work gets up all of the major stuff, and ho ʻ oponopono helps to clear it all away, like a broom sweeping away the dirt. The Work, to me, is the heavy-hitter, while ho ʻ oponopono is more gentle. That's why I love using them together.

Ho ʻ oponopono doesn't do much for me if I am immediately fearful, angry, etc. It works better for me over time, learning out limiting beliefs gradually. The Work is great for the immediate things that are bothering me that I want to confront.

After I did all this for about five minutes, I felt great. I went in and read the email.

His email? He was just telling me he was out of town since Friday afternoon, and he would grade my work in the coming days.

All those lies, all that fear, all that worry, for nothing. Wow.

But I feel so great. It was worth it.

ButterflyWoman · 10-24-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ssandra

I felt there was a LOT of fluff in the book as well.

Me, too. And a h#ll of a lot of self-promotion for Joe Vitale. By the end of the book I was just thinking, "Geeez, Joe, give it a rest!"

10-09-2011, 05:25 PM	#32 (permalink)
CoolBee Family Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,044	Right now, before you can get hold of any books? What's bugging you right now? Accept that you do not know and cannot know what it is within you that created it. You just need to 'clean' it. Mabel Katz talks about it in terms of deleting old programmes from a computer. The simplest cleaning is to say: "I'm sorry, forgive me, thank you, I love you". What does it mean? It's short for: "I'm sorry for whatever it is in me that gave rise to this situation, which I cannot know" "I forgive me (myself for feeling bad, for whatever it is that I don't know), I ask you to forgive me for whatever it is I might have done or my ancestors might have done that gave rise to this situation" "Thank you (for bringing it to my attention that I have still some 'cleaning' (of thoughts, memories, old patterns) to do" "I love you ('you' being myself, 'you' being the others in the situation)". It helps to say it outloud (in private if you prefer!) rather than mutter it under your breath or in your head. A friend of mine also experienced a profound shift in her relationship with her partner when she said it outloud AND in full! Some people I have talked to about it have a great deal of difficulty in accepting the 'responsibility' part, taking it as meaning 'blame'. But it doesn't. You just have responsibility to clean it. Like if you're going down an untidy street, you're not to blame (probably!), but you can either accept responsibility for picking up the rubbish or not, as you like. Which one will improve your environment fastest? Also note that you can buy various commercial 'cleaning tools' on the net but you don't need any of it, you can use anything you are inspired about. For example, I was inspired to use a jar that had had blueberries in it, and I filled it with 'solarized' water (don't worry about all that!) and used it as a 'cleaning' focus for a couple of months when things were very very tense over here. Personally, I see some connection between the 'cleaning tools' and NLP 'anchors'. I don't think the tools themselves are important, but just serve to anchor your state in a particular place. Last edited by CoolBee; 10-09-2011 at 05:34 PM.

10-20-2011, 06:52 PM	#56 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	i was talking to my child outide of a small toy store where the other child wanted to play a multiplayer video game. My son refused and so they were playing individual games side by side. While outside I explained to my son that I could not "make" him do anything, that ultimately it was his choice. I went on to explain that there can be value in doing things that we do not want to do at times and then I told him that the choice was his and I went back inside. While inside I simply practiced the ho'oponopono, letting go of whatever the outcome might be. Last edited by ChildOfNone; 10-21-2011 at 01:08 PM.

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10-09-2011, 04:45 PM	#31 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	i'm inspired bythis thread. Time for me to connect with what you are doing here. responsibility is clearly power - when I take responsibility I have he power over my life, it is not given to anyone else, nor based on what others do or what happens to me. Where to start?

10-10-2011, 12:03 PM	#34 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	I did healing for someone last night, and it was amazing. It was emotional healing, so I mixed my own healing techniques, along with Ho'oponopono, and The Work for the outer work of the session. She was very nervous at first, because she's Catholic and wasn't sure if it was OK to do this. But she decided to in the end. It was great. It lasted about 3 and a half hours, because it was involved, but it was great. The healing was for her relationship with her mother, and she really had some breakthroughs. I'm starting to get this idea that I'm playing around with. I know that physical issues are manifestations of deeper problems, but I'm wondering if I can figure out those deeper problems, heal them in the same way, and then hopefully the physical issue would be healed. For instance, Christine's shoulder has been really bothering her for a while now. She says that this makes her feel powerless and unable to do anything. Just an interesting idea.

10-10-2011, 02:36 PM	#35 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	Cool Bee and Piano Performer - thank you for your words. I embrace them. Piano Performer - I am moved by your work. The connection I feel is above the words. you are on a vaulted path - upward, upward - with an effect on more than those who are the focused subject of your healings. Over the weekend, I had conversations with an inordinate number of people who are suffering dramatically from financial and employment issues. Though I have much work to do on my own consciousness I am drawn (as throughout my life) to participate in these lives. (Are we not all participants whether by choice or not?) Your writing, and your work encourages me to take a step into this space for these fellow humans. Your concrete examples from your own experience are very helpful. Thank you for writing them here.

10-10-2011, 03:35 PM	#36 (permalink)
CoolBee Family Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,044	ChildofNone - when you feel drawn to participate, in ho'oponopono terms, you just need to 'clean', not necessarily work closely with them as PianoPerformer does. This is an area of work he was already involved with. One thing that you have to take some time over - and none of us are perfect at it - is distinguishing between the conscious mind talking and true inspiration. Check out this link - it's one of the first things I read on ho'oponopono - I couldn't find it yesterday while I was doing my initial response to you. Interview with Dr Hew Len on Hooponopono

10-10-2011, 05:01 PM	#38 (permalink)
Shamira Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Perugia. Italy. Posts: 1	I didn't really think there was much new in the book Zero Limits. We must not forget that Joe Vitale is an expert marketer, and it seems never misses an opportunity in any of his books to make a sale. That is just his background. I can't help respecting more, someone who consistently does what he says...who Walks the talk as you might say. The idea of forgiveness is ancient spiritual knowledge and I think the original story of oponopono reflect the long spiritual development of the doctor who was originally able to do it.

10-11-2011, 06:04 AM	#41 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	On the prosperity front: The $700 project is coming through. I sent the invoice for the down deposit of $350.00 today and everything seems to be on schedule. It'll be an extra $50.00 a month once the project is over, for maintenance and hosting. I also remembered I needed to invoice a few clients this month that I haven't for a while, so I sent out another invoice, and have to send out another tomorrow, both for $30.00. I have a feeling that more is on the way somehow, so we'll see what happens there. In the area of healing, I feel a bit stuck, and that's manifesting itself. I now really have an inspiration to help others with it, but have a lack of people to work with. I guess I have worked with two people here on campus where I live, but I want even more than that through the Web site. I'm working on developing an intake form so that people can write out the issues they want to work through with the healing sessions. I'm starting to look at working more with long-term healing in several sessions, rather than quick-fixes in one session, though certainly that's available, too. I want to teach people how to be healed, and how to overcome their suffering. So I have this new-found inspiration, but just waiting for the demand to increase. Maybe I'll clean on it and report my results. It seems to be working with money. I had some more thoughts on healing today, though. They stem from the ideas in The Work. If suffering is a result of arguing with reality, trying to make things different than they really are, then perhaps this is the problem with much of healing. With healing, we are saying that you have a problem, and now we are going to get rid of that problem through healing. It's a negative perspective. What if we need to love what is? Love the condition of my being, physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, and then it can feel free to be whatever it needs to be in the moment. Love it for what it is, because it is, and don't tell it that it should be a certain way, and don't get frustrated because it isn't that way now. So what if we really have to listen to our bodies? If we are not feeling well with it, then say, "Body, what is it? What do you need?" And it might say, "I just need love." Or it might say, "I need more rest." Or it might say, "I need not to be so stressed." So instead of telling it, "Feel better!", we are loving it, and giving it what it needs right now, what makes it feel good right now. If you have a sore throat, drink hot tea because it makes you feel good right now in the present, not because you have a sore throat. It is just listening to what you really need. Don't resist the sickness, but let it teach you, as all other suffering teaches us. It came up today because I came back from class feeling miserable, and it had just come about suddenly. I kept sneezing and I felt really congested. So I said, "Why am I suffering?" I realized that I was suffering because I didn't want to be congested. I was resisting it. Once I stopped resisting it and was able to just love my body for how it was at that moment, it wasn't nearly as bad. Just some thoughts that I'm investigating. Who knows what's true? In my life, I've been instituting a no-stress policy. No "shoulds," no guilt, no blame, no excuses. It's been very freeing, though it is difficult to apply to everything.

10-12-2011, 06:41 AM	#47 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Prosperity Intention The project is still going through, though there is some difficulty with the client making the payment (a problem with PayPal). So I'll keep cleaning on that. He's trying again tomorrow. Healing Intention I have been cleaning on my resistance against more people coming to me for healing. A girl came to Christine today for massage, and we discovered that she had been wanting to talk to someone about her issues as well. So I did healing with her for about an hour and a half, and it was great. I really saw how beliefs about yourself can really affect how you perceive reality. I was asking her to imagine possibilities outside of her current reality, and that was really difficult for her to do. If you think you are ugly, it is hard to feel the possibility of being beautiful. But I think we made a lot of progress. I also see how it is all a reflection of myself. I am getting a lot of people with self-worth issues, which is something I've dealt with for a long time now. Perhaps I need to do cleaning on that issue itself. I'm still cleaning on this though. I want to manifest people coming to me for healing, but who pay for that session. I can't afford to do too much more for free, though I'm glad for the experience, because it helps me to see where I can improve. So perhaps this is a combination of the healing and prosperity intentions.

10-14-2011, 03:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Prosperity Intention The $350 for the project was paid on Wednesday, and was cleared today. Not a moment too late, as usual. Healing Intention Someone I had done a session for last week came back last night, and we spent five hours talking about our beliefs, doing The Work, and doing healing. Everyone keeps saying how difficult this process is. This one said he wished it was easier, but knew it was helping. It is validation for me. I'm developing an intake form for people to fill out who are interested in healing. It gives me the information I need, including all the practical stuff like how they want to be contacted, but also allows them to discuss who or what they have a problem with, so that it can be covered during the healing. I'm pretty excited about that. The Four Agreements I'm about half-way through this book. I really enjoy it, though its ideas on responsibility aren't as radical as in Ho'oponopono, but that's OK. I still really enjoy the agreements so far (I'm through the first two).

10-19-2011, 04:58 AM	#50 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Prosperity Intention Not too much lately on this front, but I will be getting $60, once two cliens pay up. Also my stock's been going up, about 8% in the last week, so I'm pretty happy about that. Zero Limits Intention So as you know, I read the book Zero Limits. I recently found this product: http://ZeroLimitsLive.com/ I believe it would be really helpful for taking the knowledge from the book to the next level, so I'm intending for that to come about soon. Healing Intention There are a few people potentially interested in healing. We've been getting a lot of prayer requests lately, so I'm happy about that. And this immediately after i had the thought that we hadn't gotten any requests for a while. I finished that intake form i was talking about. It is now the sign-up form for requesting healing, linked to from my holistic healing page on my site. It can be found here: Intake Form for Holistic Healing Pretty simple, but it does the job. The Four Agreements I finished this book today. It was really good, and gave me a lot of inspiration to follow what it was saying. I think it was a bit short on practical examples, though. It was really good theory, but it could have probably gone a bit further with examples. That's what I love about books like Zero Limits and Loving What Is, and I'm making sure to put plenty of examples in my book. But other than that, i really enjoyed it. It aligns pretty well with the other books.

10-19-2011, 02:34 PM	#51 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	i like eamples as well. I particularly like the examples that you use which are personal. It opens up a connection between the reader and you and a special way that defies words.

10-20-2011, 04:33 AM	#53 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	I've realized that all of these processes have been really improving my relationship with Christine. i want to mention from the outset that we have a great relationship. Of course if I'm going to talk about it in this context, I'm going to talk about the troublesome parts, but really it is very small in comparison to how the rest of our relationship is. But we do generally get in a lot of arguments, as we are both very stubborn people. Fortunately we always make up immediately afterwards, even if the argument goes for a while, but I'd rather not have it in the first place. However, through Ho'oponopono and The Work, I've realized that it's really been changing over the last week or so. Our last major disagreement was last Thursday. There have been a few close calls, but I've been able to take control over myself and any kind of confrontation was avoided. I love the quote from Loving What Is that says that it only takes one person to have a peaceful relationship, so that is how I try to conduct myself. But we have only seemed to become more loving and more caring for one another. Christine has become less judgmental overall, and we have become much closer. Why is this happening? Because I create the problem, but now I am healing that perceived problem through Ho'oponopono. It was never her in the first place, because I am completely responsible for all problems. It was my problem that she was judgmental and argumentative, and it is only my responsibility to heal. With that realization, it has been being healed very effectively.

10-20-2011, 05:53 PM	#54 (permalink)
ChildOfNone Retired Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: deep south USA Posts: 151	I have been noticing a difference in the relationship with my strongwilled child as well. Yesterday, I asked him to play with another child, the child of a friend. He was very angry about it. I took responsibility rather than doing my usual song and dance about it being his responsibility. I left him alone and in time he returned to play with this other child. Though it was a good outcome, I had let go of the outcome and was holding onto my responsibility. That moment of detaching from the outcome I preferred was transformative. This morning I had a sensation right in the middle of my "crown", along a line that splits my cranium between left and rright. The sensation was one of being given an apology. It generated a sense of peace and as I allowed the feeling to drip down though my being I saw the connection between this and practicing ho'oponopono. Holding that peace.

10-20-2011, 06:00 PM	#55 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	That's so great. Can I ask, while you were doing Ho'oponopono, how did yog actually respond in the moment, once he was angry? What was your response to him? I know it's a weird question, but I'm curious how this works with working with children, for when we have children. I feel like if I would just give in and say "OK," that gives more power to the child and they might take advantage of that. I know I'm looking at it dualistically, but I'm just curious how it worked for you.

10-21-2011, 05:38 PM	#58 (permalink)
pianoperformer Love in Action (Mod) Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,527	Does anyone have the book, Loving What Is? I'm looking for the page where she says that it is not we who think, but we are thought. In the same way, it is not we who breathe, but we are breathed. I'm referring to it in my book, and wanted to source it, but don't have the page numbers since I listened to the audio version.

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