Law of attraction is simpler than people think (Read if you try to "get" stuff)

[arpee]

The Law Of Attraction works by energy/emotion, so, be happy and you'll attract more happy things. If you feel like something is lacking in your life you'll attract more lack. Feel happiness and satisfaction in anyway you can and you'll attract more happiness and satisfaction.

If daydreaming, fantasizing, or visualizing feels good - do it
If praying feels good - do it
If speaking about that thing feels good - do it
If taking action feels good - do it.

Don't do it to make something happen, do it because it's fun. Don't try to get happy - simply BE happy, do this and the rest will be taken care of. Be happy and you'll attract more happiness into your life.

The most important thing that most people forget is that Law Of Attraction is simple and is responding to your emotion - so happiness should be your one and only goal.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

The most important thing that most people forget is that Law Of Attraction is simple and is responding to your emotion - so happiness should be your one and only goal.

Emotions are indicators only. Which means they are subject to LOA.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Emotions are indicators only. Which means they are subject to LOA.

This is true from my perspective, in the most technical sense of the word, however, they are so closely related that I would almost consider it splitting hairs. If you reach for an emotion, you are also reaching for the thought that generates that emotion, so I kind of think of emotions and thoughts as simply two sides of the same coin. They are never apart from one another, so you could, in a sense, consider them as part of the same "thing".

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Emotions are indicators only. Which means they are subject to LOA.

Everything is subjected to LOA. LOA only responds to your vibration/emotion. So if you are feeling bad LOA will give you more bad-feeling things. If you feel happy LOA will give you more good-feeling things.

Saying that Emotions are indicators, is a tautology.


Happiness is what you want so when you feel happiness it's an indicator that happiness is where you want to be.

Unhappiness is not what you want so when you feel unhappiness it's an indicator that unhappiness is where you do not want to be.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

This is true from my perspective, in the most technical sense of the word, however, they are so closely related that I would almost consider it splitting hairs. If you reach for an emotion, you are also reaching for the thought that generates that emotion, so I kind of think of emotions and thoughts as simply two sides of the same coin. They are never apart from one another, so you could, in a sense, consider them as part of the same "thing".

Maybe we could say that there is a thought (sometimes gazillions of thoughts) hiding behind every emotion. Emotions are general and thoughts are usually very specific.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

Everything is subjected to LOA.

I am certainly NOT subject to LOA. First of all LOA is but a concept. Second, the one that is witnessing the phenomenal world and its creations can't possibly be bound by the conceptual 'laws' of the phenomenal world.

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Reefs

I am certainly NOT subject to LOA. First of all LOA is but a concept. Second, the one that is witnessing the phenomenal world and its creations can't possibly be bound by the conceptual 'laws' of the phenomenal world.

Ok then, we disagree. If LOA is a universal law - and it is - then EVERYTHING is subjected to it. I really don't feel inspired to explain all of the reasoning about why I don't agree with you. I was just inspired to deliver the original message. Hopefully, others will see it and it will help them if they need a nice simple explanation.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

Ok then, we disagree. If LOA is a universal law - and it is - then EVERYTHING is subjected to it. I really don't feel inspired to explain all of the reasoning about why I don't agree with you. I was just inspired to deliver the original message. Hopefully, others will see it and it will help them if they need a nice simple explanation.

You don't have to explain it. There is more to the story, that's all I wanted to say. You see yourself as a focusing/thinking mechanism and part of the universe and therefore subject to LOA. But when you fall into dreamless deep sleep, where is the universe? Where are you? Where is LOA?

[arpee]

Ah, I understand what you mean, and I think I can explain this while keeping it simple...

The universe is everything that exists and a universal law such as Law of Attraction is a law which is present everywhere.
When you sleep without dreams, you are still in the universe...

And I'll end it there, because I don't want to get off subject. I want to stay on subject to the original post which is "Happiness should be the goal since LOA responds to your vibration/emotion"....

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

And I'll end it there, because I don't want to get off subject. I want to stay on subject to the original post which is "Happiness should be the goal since LOA responds to your vibration/emotion"....

Okay, then let's just leave it there.

But isn't happiness already your true nature, your natural state of being? How can that be your goal?

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Okay, then let's just leave it there.

But isn't happiness already your true nature, your natural state of being? How can that be your goal?

Most people, when they are unhappy, they need something to fill the void. They need a lover, or a car, or money...

The goal should be coming back to your true nature and being happy now.

And the good thing about this is, when you do this, now you attract the good stuff because law of attraction is responding to your good feeling emotion.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by arpee

The most important thing that most people forget is that Law Of Attraction is simple and is responding to your emotion - so happiness should be your one and only goal.

Arpee, I agree with most of your post, but I'm not so sure about having a specific goal of happiness.

How can you 'attract' happiness? Is it an object external to you? Do you dangle the right bait on your line to attract it?

If there is a goal of happiness, I see it as just rediscovering one's inner joy of living. It is within you, it is you, not something external which can be found or attracted using L0A.

I really don't think you can plot happiness using the LoA belief of, 'Well, if I do x, y and z, I'm going to get lots more of x, y and z'.

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Cantando

Arpee, I agree with most of your post, but I'm not so sure about having a specific goal of happiness.

How can you 'attract' happiness? Is it an object external to you? Do you dangle the right bait on your line to attract it?

If there is a goal of happiness, see it as just rediscovering your inner joy of living. It is within you, it is you, not something external which can be found or attracted using L0A.

And this is the problem with a lot of people using LOA, they see it as a way to attract "stuff" instead of a spiritual universal law.

Be happy, and you'll attract more happiness in your life. If you aren't happy, you aren't focusing properly. You can always find your way back to happiness without depending on external things (family, cars, moneys, whatever)

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by arpee

Be happy, and you'll attract more happiness in your life.

If you already are happy, you wouldn't have a desire for more happiness so you wouldn't attract it.

[arpee]

Originally Posted by Cantando

If you already are happy, you wouldn't have a desire for more happiness so you wouldn't attract it.

The law of attraction attracts by your vibration. If you are happy, it'll bring you more happiness.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by arpee

The law of attraction attracts by your vibration. If you are happy, it'll bring you more happiness.

So, are you saying that whatever your current vibration is, you will attract more of that, regardless of whether there is any desire present to have more?

[Rezzy7]

Originally Posted by Cantando

If you already are happy, you wouldn't have a desire for more happiness so you wouldn't attract it.

For me this would be incorrect. I would always desire more...maybe not the way I would if I was without happiness, but I'd be open to being even more happy, for sure.

Originally Posted by Cantando

So, are you saying that whatever your current vibration is, you will attract more of that, regardless of whether there is any desire present to have more?

we don't desire a cascade of misfortune, but sometimes that happens.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Rezzy7

For me this would be incorrect. I would always desire more....

But why would you desire more?

Say you ate a good meal and felt full and satisfied. Would you desire more?

What does being happy mean for you and do you think external circumstances should affect that happiness?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Cantando

So, are you saying that whatever your current vibration is, you will attract more of that, regardless of whether there is any desire present to have more?

Yes, that's why pushing against unwanted never works. What gets attention grows. You don't want the negative stuff to grow, but you give it attention, so things get worse.

[esoteric53]

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Most people, when they are unhappy, ...
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Most People ARE unhappy..... You can maybe find a very satisfied totally happy Person out of , let's say, 50 people?
Unfortunately Life means just suffering generally speaking... People do not have the kind of money they'd need to have in order to live decently..And in this World here and now one has to have money, lots of it in order to live well...... There's too many diseases ( some still incurable and causing very bad pains) affecting people's health and emotions.... Love relationships are generally just passable and infact usually bad or very bad with a few exceptions....That's the general Reality.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Yes, that's why pushing against unwanted never works. What gets attention grows. You don't want the negative stuff to grow, but you give it attention, so things get worse.

Arpee is implying that desire is not a factor: whatever vibration you are at, you just get more of it. It's a universal law, it's LoA. We can't change the law.

But, what if my current vibration is a mix of happiness, anxiety, sadness and worry? At what point would I start attracting more happiness? Does the happiness element have to be greater than 50% of the mix for the balance to tip in favour of 'attracting' more happiness?

If desire is not a factor in changing our vibration, then how could we ever change our vibrational level? Once I was depressed, I would automatically get more and more depression, ad nauseam, down and down. That's LoA!

[arpee]

And this is exactly what will happen to most people if they factor in desire...

"I'm sad and I just want to be happy"....

"I just want to be happy..."

"I'm so mad that I just can't be happy"

"This sucks, law of attraction must not work, I just want to be happy"

Such a person would sink lower, and lower...


Happiness is your natural state. You'll naturally go back to it if you allow yourself, but the more you "want" happiness, the more you realize that it's not there...

Luckily, Happiness is a simple manifestation in that, all you have to do is change focus. Think happier thoughts and take action because it feels good not out of desperation for things to change.

As for manifestation, it would be the same thing. If you desire it, that desire will feed on itself and grow even BIGGER! There'll be more and more desire/longing for things in your life.

You can choose to be happy, and that happiness will feed on itself and grow even BIGGER and there will be more and more happiness in your life.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

And this is exactly what will happen to most people if they factor in desire...

"I'm sad and I just want to be happy"....

"I just want to be happy..."

"I'm so mad that I just can't be happy"

"This sucks, law of attraction must not work, I just want to be happy"

Such a person would sink lower, and lower...


Happiness is your natural state. You'll naturally go back to it if you allow yourself, but the more you "want" happiness, the more you realize that it's not there...

Luckily, Happiness is a simple manifestation in that, all you have to do is change focus. Think happier thoughts and take action because it feels good not out of desperation for things to change.

As for manifestation, it would be the same thing. If you desire it, that desire will feed on itself and grow even BIGGER! There'll be more and more desire/longing for things in your life.

You can choose to be happy, and that happiness will feed on itself and grow even BIGGER and there will be more and more happiness in your life.

That kind of happiness is a mind state only. Good luck with that!

[arpee]

What do you mean that kind of happiness is a "mind state" only? What other happiness do you think there is?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Cantando

But, what if my current vibration is a mix of happiness, anxiety, sadness and worry? At what point would I start attracting more happiness? Does the happiness element have to be greater than 50% of the mix for the balance to tip in favour of 'attracting' more happiness?

That's usually the case. You could be happy about your health, sad about your dead cat and worry about your career. The more you focus on the happy parts of your life the more you think happy thoughts and the unhappy stuff slides into the background. It will change your overall point of view over time until what made you worry about your career isn't seen as worth the worry anymore and so on.

If desire is not a factor in changing our vibration, then how could we ever change our vibrational level? Once I was depressed, I would automatically get more and more depression, ad nauseam, down and down. That's LoA!

Most people are way too fickle. So no matter on what they focus it usually won't take over their whole life for very long. Even people in depression have their moments of relief, when they have a shower, when they eat something delicious etc. And they usually sleep a lot. By getting distracted, you automatically change your focus, if you want/desire to or not. And with that change of focus comes a new vantage point.

And what is a desire? It's only a thought about something you want. A thought you think quite often and purely so it has gathered some momentum.

[moonrambler]

I just commented on this in another thread here the other day.

I found this forum because my finances went into a tailspin and my business went down the tubes during a time when I was really, really happy. I came here searching for answers.

I could probably make a huge list of times when I was really happy and outside circumstances went bad, and times when I wasn't doing well emotionally and outside circumstances got a lot better.

Saying 'just be happy and you'll attract everything you desire' may be simple, but it doesn't work for everyone.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

I just commented on this in another thread here the other day.

I found this forum because my finances went into a tailspin and my business went down the tubes during a time when I was really, really happy. I came here searching for answers.

I could probably make a huge list of times when I was really happy and outside circumstances went bad, and times when I wasn't doing well emotionally and outside circumstances got a lot better.

Saying 'just be happy and you'll attract everything you desire' may be simple, but it doesn't work for everyone.

If LOA is a universal law it has to work for everyone. And it truly does, at least when you know the whole story about everyone. Everyone is a vibrational mix, lots of vibrational set points on lots of topics. You could be happy about 9 out of 10 areas of your life which would mean if you would give those areas equal air time you would be very very happy. But if you are obsessed with that one area that isn't working, which means you give that on area more air time than the other 9 ones, then you will mess them up too.

Were you happy about your business at that time? Were you listening to the news and reading the papers regularly? Were you healthy? Overall happy relationships, not only your mate but also parents, friends, colleagues? etc.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

What do you mean that kind of happiness is a "mind state" only? What other happiness do you think there is?

Hehe, you don't wanna go there. From your point of view it would be off topic.

[Cantando]

Originally Posted by moonrambler

Saying 'just be happy and you'll attract everything you desire' may be simple, but it doesn't work for everyone.

Reminds me of that irritating Bobby McFerrin song for comforting losers: Don't worry, be happy:

in every life we have some trouble,
when you worry you make it double
don't worry, be happy OMG LoA!!
...
aint got no place to lay your head,
somebody came and took your bed,
don't worry, be happy
...
the landlord say your rent is late,
he may have to litigate,
dont worry (small laugh) be happy,
...
aint got no cash, aint got no style,
aint got no gal to make you smile
don't worry, be happy, etc.

[moonrambler]

Originally Posted by Reefs

If LOA is a universal law it has to work for everyone. And it truly does, at least when you know the whole story about everyone. Everyone is a vibrational mix, lots of vibrational set points on lots of topics. You could be happy about 9 out of 10 areas of your life which would mean if you would give those areas equal air time you would be very very happy. But if you are obsessed with that one area that isn't working, which means you give that on area more air time than the other 9 ones, then you will mess them up too.

If I was obsessed with one area of my life that I was unhappy about, and gave it more time than the other nine ones, I wouldn't have been happy, would I?

The thing is, I was seemingly doing everything right according to the LoA point of view in this thread. I wasn't completely satisfied with everything in my life, but I was really, really happy, in a way that rose above any dissatisfaction. I went around confidently sure that everything was going to work out, and eventually I was paying my bills with credit cards.

I like to retell the story of 'manifesting' my cat Scotty, 'cause it surprised me that I could describe various features of a cat I would like to have and a week later have somebody call and offer me this fantasy cat I had made up.

At the time this happened, I was basically miserable and stressed. My beloved cat had died three weeks before and I was traumatized over that, plus my financial situation was dire. But instead of 'attracting' more misery and stress, I 'attracted' something that would help make things better.

(I use quotes because I don't really buy into the whole LoA thing.)