What if...

[Bradshaw]

I know some people believe that you can't influence other people through the power of your thoughts and the LoA, but this isn't my personal experience at all. You can and do influence others in very obvious ways.

You can even get people to do things that they wouldn't normally do, just with the power of the LoA. Again, I've done this in the past when I was much worse at all this stuff. People will start doing things outside their comfort zone.

So here's something I've pondered from time to time:

What if I decide to fundamentally change, let's say, a corporation. Let's say I intend for the top 100 people in a big corporation to be replaced, over time, and in a way that seems realistic to the outside world by people who are very conscious, aware, wise, mature and truly focused on the higher good of their society.

If you can influence an individual with the LoA, it logically follows that you can also influence more people.

Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?

[Anagogy]

My experience is that you can influence other people. You just can't force them to do something. It's like a temptation in a way, in that they can feel the influence, but then use their will power to reject it if they were so inclined. But if it is a topic they don't really have any strong dispositions about, they generally won't feel the need to reject it. After all, we are all one with one another anyway, so it is only logical that there would be this influence or communication between us. The only thing that separates us from one another is the vibrational dissimilarity of our consciousness. So the more similar your consciousness is vibrating to another's, the more easily that consciousness is communicated with and influenced by you (and vice versa). If the consciousness is nothing like you, it wouldn't be in your experience in the first place. If something in your experience no longer shares vibrational characteristics with you, it must then vibrate right on out of your experience.

It is possible for someone's will to be so worn down (by life or by design), that they simply don't fight a given influence, which would seemingly constitute a form of mind control. However, I wouldn't consider that especially ethical.

In the experiment you proposed, I would say it is possible, but I would think somewhat improbable given that many of those people are where they are do to a great deal of desire or will to be where they are. It would be interesting if you were successful however.

[hamix]

So you both seek to control other people?

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by hamix

So you both seek to control other people?

I seek control over my own experience, which involves some degree of influence over other people that come into my experience. I wouldn't call that control over other people. Just vibrational filtering.

I can't say that I haven't tried to control others though, out of curiosity.

[lycan]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

What if I decide to fundamentally change, let's say, a corporation. Let's say I intend for the top 100 people in a big corporation to be replaced, over time, and in a way that seems realistic to the outside world by people who are very conscious, aware, wise, mature and truly focused on the higher good of their society.

Meaning what?

[hamix]

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I seek control over my own experience, which involves some degree of influence over other people that come into my experience. I wouldn't call that control over other people. Just vibrational filtering.

I can't say that I haven't tried to control others though, out of curiosity.

where does this control over others in your experience come from, and why is it justified? anybody can do anything they please in life.

[Anagogy]

Originally Posted by hamix

where does this control over others in your experience come from, and why is it justified? anybody can do anything they please in life.

I'm afraid I don't understand your question.

Are you aware of the basic concepts behind "intention-manifestation"? Concepts such as the "law of attraction" and "you create your own reality"?

If you don't accept some version of these concepts then no explanation I give to you will make any sense whatsoever.

[Philemon]

From the OP I had a similar thought to hamix, basically thinking it might not be the best use for LOA to seek to 'change' others. Then I thought about it some more, and really, people do this all of the time, they just don't call it LOA persay.

For example, "I wish my boss would respect my work more."
Or, "I wish my spouse would do the dishes more often and show me more affection."

Isn't that basically "putting out the vibration" whether or not you are familiar with LOA?

Now, of course, LOA involves a highly conscious practice of initiating change. And certainly, we tend to view motive as highly important in judging ethical decisions. Just look at the justice system.

So back to this idea of say, changing the staff at a corporation. I like this idea because it's new, outside of the box, and based on good intention. However, I tend to think LOA is best practiced on the self, to improve the self and seek specific development with or for oneself.

Here's my basic summarized view of LOA:

You think of the reality you want. Let's say I'm a typically nervous, anxious, borderline psychotic person in social situations.

First, I set a goal to overcome that. GOAL: Become more comfortable and confident in social situations.

Next, I turn that into an affirmation: I am confident, composed, and comfortable in any social situation, and it shows in my body language, my words, and my actions.

Now, some views of LOA basically end there. Repeat the affirmation and POOF, it will become true.

What I think LOA actually does is open up your subconscious to more readily recognize OPPORTUNITY to take ACTION to initiate that change.

So the only dilemma I see with the idea in the OP is that you are not actually involved in the corporation. You're basically praying for that organization and society as a whole and leaving it to "the universe." I think LOA works best when it's coupled with an action plan.

Thanks for the posts... got me thinking.

[Bradshaw]

Oh. hey Anagogy! Thanks for answering!

Originally Posted by Anagogy

My experience is that you can influence other people.

This is my experience as well. I've seen a lot of people saying that you can only use the LoA for self and that somehow other people can't be affected by it... but it's not true at all in my experience.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

You just can't force them to do something. It's like a temptation in a way, in that they can feel the influence, but then use their will power to reject it if they were so inclined.

Yep, it's not force, thats why I also used the word "influence" in the OP.

In my experience, people feel the influence, but from what I've observed they don't actually know I'm doing it. So they feel the influence, but they don't really know that I'm the one doing it.

Very self-aware people with developed intuition are able to sense that this influence comes from me... but these people are extremely rare.

Originally Posted by Anagogy

I seek control over my own experience, which involves some degree of influence over other people that come into my experience. I wouldn't call that control over other people. Just vibrational filtering.

I can't say that I haven't tried to control others though, out of curiosity.

Haha!

I also did it out of curiosity, and to further my understanding of reality: Could I actually influence other human beings or not? I wasn't sure because the opinions on this subject are diverse, so I found out on my own.

All of it was harmless fun though.

[Bradshaw]

Originally Posted by Philemon

So the only dilemma I see with the idea in the OP is that you are not actually involved in the corporation. You're basically praying for that organization and society as a whole and leaving it to "the universe." I think LOA works best when it's coupled with an action plan.

Thanks for the posts... got me thinking.

I've developed over time the ability to get things without having to take much physical action to get them, so this wouldn't be a problem.

Usually the physical action comes to me... across countries, taking me to the new reality. Sure I have to move my body, but everything else gets handled.

If I explained you my life in detail you would understand... heck my best friend calls me the "King of the Free Lunch".

[Criseyde]

I wouldn't do it. Not because I think I can't influence people -- I think I do, often inadvertently (just today, I emailed someone I haven't seen in years, and the first line of her reply was "What's so strange, [Criseyde]," -- as though we were continuing a conversation -- "is that I just thought of you earlier today, and wondered how you were doing") (or maybe she was the one who influenced me? ).

Anyway, back to why I wouldn't do it. I have definitely given people mental nudges, with varying levels of success. But there's something that really squicks me out about giving someone a mental nudge to do something that they would not otherwise do. It screams of coercion, and I don't like it, and I don't do it. I think that giving a big corporation a mental nudge like that could theoretically work, but it's also ethically problematic.

I see a big difference between imagining the world the way I want to live in it and actively trying to change the way someone else is going about their business. I'm not sure, speaking globally, that those things are practically different. But they do seem different in my mind. I think.

[Bradshaw]

We all influence each other all the time. It's impossible not to do so. Everyone does it.

If you see yourself as intelligent you will often imagine that other people will be impressed by how intelligent you are and thus you influence people to notice your intelligence. This is just one example. People who've never heard about the LoA are also influencing other people all the time--they also have beliefs, limitations, thoughts and so on.

You can influence people with your thoughts and the LoA.

You can easily influence people if they're open to the idea and are already willing to do it anyway.

To influence people beyond their comfort zones takes a bit more persistance, but from what I've observed it works.

It's harder, but it's very doable. You can get people to do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

Mind control... coercion... hmm.

The thing is, people already do this all the time. We already coerce and mind control each other all the time, lol. It's just that almost nobody is actually aware that they're doing it.

It's a touchy, difficult subject--which is why I posted it.

[Sbonn]

I like how A-H puts a spin on this, essentially you change your perspective about the person or people and they begin show those qualities you see them as... this is all coming from you and not influencing them.

Others more familiar with the A-H material might weigh in and explain better.

[Wax Frog]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

heck my best friend calls me the "King of the Free Lunch".

Does that come with appetizer and dessert?

[masteredfate]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

I know some people believe that you can't influence other people through the power of your thoughts and the LoA, but this isn't my personal experience at all. You can and do influence others in very obvious ways.

You can even get people to do things that they wouldn't normally do, just with the power of the LoA. Again, I've done this in the past when I was much worse at all this stuff. People will start doing things outside their comfort zone.

So here's something I've pondered from time to time:

What if I decide to fundamentally change, let's say, a corporation. Let's say I intend for the top 100 people in a big corporation to be replaced, over time, and in a way that seems realistic to the outside world by people who are very conscious, aware, wise, mature and truly focused on the higher good of their society.

If you can influence an individual with the LoA, it logically follows that you can also influence more people.

Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?

We can influence people around us- even far away from us. I was thinking of someone a few days ago and how I wanted to wish him and his family well because they were on vacation. 2 minutes later I got a text saying that he thought i called and wanted to let me know text worked where they were traveling, but not phone calls. I texted back and told him I was thinking of him, etc. Mind you, my phone wasn't near me, and I didn't call. Either the phone rang and my thoughts sent the signal that it was me, or I literally called his phone from my mind, unknowingly. Either way, I blew my own mind.

It's possible to get people to do anything because this is your fantasy. If the goal was to move people out of a company, it would only be worthwhile if it benefitted you and the company. If it just benefitted you, eventually the company would fail, and it would be all your own undoing. Be careful how you use your power.

I was thinking about morals a few minutes ago, and many would think morally you should do the 'right thing'. But what is the right thing? If your boss is verbally abusive, rude, lies and keeps crazy people (literally) on staff, is it right to keep him just because he has a wife and bills?

As much as I heavily used to rely on it, it might help to move away from the concept of the right thing and more towards creating harmony. Life should feel like this amazing symphony. But it starts to sound kinda crappy when there is some guy/girl in the background playing a totally different song.
It should all feel and sound harmonious. If it doesn't, replace him/her with a better musician.

[esoteric53]

Masteredfate...Very interesting post....Thanks.....

[Bradshaw]

Originally Posted by Wax Frog

Does that come with appetizer and dessert?

You have no idea how delicious the dessert is, Waxy. It's beyond delicious!

The appetizer is nice as well.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

I know some people believe that you can't influence other people through the power of your thoughts and the LoA, but this isn't my personal experience at all. You can and do influence others in very obvious ways.

You can even get people to do things that they wouldn't normally do, just with the power of the LoA. Again, I've done this in the past when I was much worse at all this stuff. People will start doing things outside their comfort zone.

So here's something I've pondered from time to time:

What if I decide to fundamentally change, let's say, a corporation. Let's say I intend for the top 100 people in a big corporation to be replaced, over time, and in a way that seems realistic to the outside world by people who are very conscious, aware, wise, mature and truly focused on the higher good of their society.

If you can influence an individual with the LoA, it logically follows that you can also influence more people.

Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?

You can only control how others behave as it relates to you. So you can only control how those 100 individuals will behave when you are there. You cannot control how they will behave towards each other.


And having an intention to see people replaced by others will surely backfire.Your logic is a little flawed. Because if you are unable to see the positive aspects in them, you are not in a good place yourself and no matter who comes to you, you will draw the same behavior out of them over and over again. People that come to you only show you how you are doing vibrationally. They come in response to the signal your are sending out. Want other people around you, then change the signal.

And you can draw different kinds of behavior out of the same person very easily. Someone annoying can turn into someone nice right before your eyes if you could drop the tendency of being annoyed and replace it with entertaining pleasing thoughts. It's all about you. You don't need different people, you need a different vantage point, that's all.

[XxNatyxX]

Originally Posted by masteredfate

We can influence people around us- even far away from us. I was thinking of someone a few days ago and how I wanted to wish him and his family well because they were on vacation. 2 minutes later I got a text saying that he thought i called and wanted to let me know text worked where they were traveling, but not phone calls. I texted back and told him I was thinking of him, etc. Mind you, my phone wasn't near me, and I didn't call. Either the phone rang and my thoughts sent the signal that it was me, or I literally called his phone from my mind, unknowingly. Either way, I blew my own mind.

It's possible to get people to do anything because this is your fantasy. If the goal was to move people out of a company, it would only be worthwhile if it benefitted you and the company. If it just benefitted you, eventually the company would fail, and it would be all your own undoing. Be careful how you use your power.

I was thinking about morals a few minutes ago, and many would think morally you should do the 'right thing'. But what is the right thing? If your boss is verbally abusive, rude, lies and keeps crazy people (literally) on staff, is it right to keep him just because he has a wife and bills?

As much as I heavily used to rely on it, it might help to move away from the concept of the right thing and more towards creating harmony. Life should feel like this amazing symphony. But it starts to sound kinda crappy when there is some guy/girl in the background playing a totally different song.
It should all feel and sound harmonious. If it doesn't, replace him/her with a better musician.

You make an interesting point there... good post.

[Philemon]

Originally Posted by Bradshaw

I've developed over time the ability to get things without having to take much physical action to get them, so this wouldn't be a problem.

Usually the physical action comes to me... across countries, taking me to the new reality. Sure I have to move my body, but everything else gets handled.

If I explained you my life in detail you would understand... heck my best friend calls me the "King of the Free Lunch".

Okay . . . so how about giving out some free lunches?