How to disconnect from logic?

[richest]

Guys,

For the purpose of manifesting, I'm sure you know well the famous key point of surrender/let go/detach. I myself often manifest when I really let go and never think about the results again. But that only in small case such as manifesting food. I never really succeed in manifesting money.

Then after I re-read some posts in this forum, I realize that I'm too logical person, I'm a left brainer, so when it comes to manifesting money, my logic start to dominate, and I have difficulties on getting rid of it. The question of "How? when? where? why? what?" will be dancing inside my head. I also tried to surrender, but never been able to get surrender feeling.

So my question is, is there any special ways to disconnect from logic? I'm so sure this is the way I have to master for successful manifesting.

Thanks in advance

[Andras]

Yes, detachment i.e. the lack of anxiousness is of paramount importance. But what most on this forum fail to see, not everything will manifest, no matter how well you do it. Those things that you are not karmically at liberty to gain - you will NOT! Or at best you will and it will be either totally useless to you due to your changing circumstances or somehow, by the time you gain them something else will happen to mirky things up. Be detached, try it for others (selfishness is a main killer) and belive in the spiritual hiearchy, i.e. you can get support and help from the "great yonder" if you ask for help and dedicate yourself to the light. There is help out there to ask.....

[truant]

Originally Posted by richest

...is there any special ways to disconnect from logic? I'm so sure this is the way I have to master for successful manifesting.

Logic has nothing to do with manifestation, but it does impose limits on what you will allow yourself to manifest. Instead of trying to manifest a specific sum of money, focus on one of the things you plan to use that money for: a new car, for example. That gives your logic a bit of flex room since that car may come about as a result of money, a prize, a gift from a relative, etc. Whenever you catch yourself worrying about the means of the manifestation stop yourself and turn your attention back to the end result.

When you are just starting out, it is better to intend for smaller things as there is less pressure surrounding them. Last month I intended four days in a row for someone to bring me coffee at work and each day a different person brought me a coffee. Considering I normally have someone bring me coffee about once every six weeks, I'd consider that a respectable confirmation that I was intending correctly. Use these sorts of little successes to build your confidence and you'll be manifesting like a pro in no time.

[Strem2]

You might want to read a book called, The Heart Code, which explains the difference between a logic-brain-ego based person and the heart centered person. It's written by a PhD, a very logical guy until he was diagnosed with cancer and began his treatment.

He gives one example of a Princeton group testing the ability of humans to affect a machine programed to spit out random 1's or 0's. The woman who was the best would come in, spend a moment with the machine and then she ate a lemon yogurt and read a book she brought with her. For a while the Princeton scientists thought it was the lemon yogurt.

It seems that to influence the machine, you set your intention and then step back. Anyone who "tries" too hard fails.

The Law of Attraction is like this. You set your intention, and then go about your business. During Irene, I had a great example. I normally have work goals (logical, but enjoyable for me) aimed at moving my "passive" website income forward. During Hurricane Irene, I had no electricity, and couldn't access the internet, so my website moved forward without me. During the previous month, I had set the intention of doubling my Google income for September. Even though I was unable to help, the Universe took care of fulfilling my intention for me.

It's not a matter of disconnecting from logic, but of reconnecting to your heart and spirit. Your logical brain is the smallest of the three. It's handy for getting you to a meeting on time as the purpose of your logical brain is to keep you connected with time space. The purpose of your heart and subconscious brain is to keep you connected with the Garden of Eden.

[danas]

Imagine you are sitting on a basketball court. you are given a ball. But you dont know the rules of the game.

Thats kinda what life is like.
There are rules for you to discover and see what works. You can learn by trial and error but that'll take you a lifetime.
Or you can try to use some rules that other people tried and say work and you can give them a try.
Lets say someone tells you that you arent allowed to walk with the ball.
Whats logical about that? Nothing. Its just the rule of the game. And if you wanna earn points dont walk with the ball.
After a while of trying to play by the rules, they feel almost logical. Ask a basketball player- he'll say- of course you lost- you walked with the ball!

What Im saying is the best way to get rid of what you call "logic" is by playing by the actual rules . i.e Law of attraction, with all its rules. like you must believe, get rid of doubt to make it a reality...etc...
Once you start seeing results again and again, this law becomes logical.
A new logic takes over the old one.

[sunshineXTC]

Forget about goals, intentions, desires, and simply enjoy being. Think of a cat or a dog. They lounge around. They play. They nap. They enjoy whatever they enjoy. They're certainly not after goals like we are, and yet they're rather content little creatures on whole (expect when they've adopted neurotic behaviors of their owners, which in itself is a testament to how WE can benefit from pretending to be cats or dogs).

Be a content creature. Do what you enjoy. Don't concern yourself with doing. Concern yourself with enjoying being. That's when the best stuff happens and when things generally work out quite well.

[richest]

Thanks for all your advices.

I think the greatest block for me is doubting it will happen. I also have tried not to focus on money and visualize things that I want buy or enjoy. But when the bills due date is getting closer, or when I'm starting to run out of money and still nothing happen, I got panic, loosing control, and start doubting anything will work. So I go back to logical thinking of "looking for other loan to cover my life expenses and to pay my bills".

It's not that I don't want to take action, but I just don't know what to do. No skills to offer for service, only administrative job that I can do.

Of course I will take action if I got inspiration, but the inspiration is not coming so far. So I tried to surrender the "how", and "what should I do". But I didn't get any enlightenment too.

In such conditions, feeling good or enjoying my activities is really hard. It's been too long the situations doesn't improve at all. I've been in this condition for 7 years and nothing changes no matter what I do.

I think I must find the way to get rid of doubt while also train myself to be creative. Because it seems my brain is not trained to making money.

[Strem2]

I was out of work for a while, and starting my own business, but there was no money for quite a while -- mostly because I would go so far in one effort to make money, and then give up out of fear and doubt, take another training course and start off in another direction....

However, I had a handle on the bills. I couldn't look at them or I'd be filled with a feeling of fear and scarcity. As you know, this is the wrong feeling for manifesting. So, I didn't look at them. Someone else opened them for me and told me who to call or who would be calling.

I negotiated. The trick in negotiating is to keep the other person talking. An NLP trick is to picture that this person is about to tell you that you have won the lottery. That will put you in the charming, happy state you need to keep them on the phone.

I also used Ho'oponopono. This is a prayer, accepting that you are 100% responsible for everything in your life. I did not want to lose my home or be sued, so I took responsibility for the bills with a complete intention to pay my creditors back as soon as I could.

The upshot was that for four years, I got few phone calls and no one sued me and no one tried to put a lien on my home. That was all I needed. The funny thing is, that a friend during the same period who worried more about bills, was hounded constantly by creditors and bill collectors. She still had a job, but was having trouble at the time....

So, the first thing to give up logic about is your bills. You will pay them when you can. One of my lines when talking to a bill collector is, "I am so glad you have a job because so many people don't these days!" That feeling of gladness for them always helped. Go to your heart -- your feelings! Stay in a state of love and trust as much as you can, and the Universe will respond. As more good things appear just when you need them to, you will begin to see how this works.

[sunshineXTC]

Right brain is the side in charge of creativity, imagination, senses, emotions, belief, appreciation, fantasy, philosophy, ESP, religion, rhythm, tunes of songs, daydreaming...

Focusing on those activities that stimulate the right side of the brain should enhance its functioning and capabilities.

Listening to music, daydreaming, using your imagination, focusing on your senses without employing labeling techniques would probably be the best ways to activate the right side of the brain.

[Strem2]

Originally Posted by sunshineXTC

Right brain is the side in charge of creativity, imagination, senses, emotions, belief, appreciation, fantasy, philosophy, ESP, religion, rhythm, tunes of songs, daydreaming...

Focusing on those activities that stimulate the right side of the brain should enhance its functioning and capabilities.

Listening to music, daydreaming, using your imagination, focusing on your senses without employing labeling techniques would probably be the best ways to activate the right side of the brain.

Good advice. One Nobel prize winning chemist was asked how he came to his award winning solution to an old chemical science problem. He answered that he didn't have a test tube washing machine. He said that when he was mindlessly washing his test tubes, he often came to an inspired idea.

Mike Dooley says that you have to be busy. And, you have to master where ever you are and whatever you are doing. As long as you keep throwing balls, the Universe will hit the home runs for you....

[jota]

"Forget about goals, intentions, desires, and simply enjoy being. Think of a cat or a dog. They lounge around. They play. They nap. They enjoy whatever they enjoy. They're certainly not after goals like we are, and yet they're rather content little creatures on whole (expect when they've adopted neurotic behaviors of their owners, which in itself is a testament to how WE can benefit from pretending to be cats or dogs). "


Hey shusnshine i think about it all the time when i see my cat , all day long doing nothing and i thinking to myself " what envy i have this "

I understand it consciously , but when i try , my brain become nuts...and of course my family fast say that "youre doing nothing , crisis are out knocking in the door , you will dye , the world will implode and "...and so on and on and on and on...

In the end , is really lack of faith that all things will solve by itself , i mean , if one have really faith he can just relax and see the universe doing (or you doing inspired action) to have your desires whatever they are...but like you dont believe , you worry and work hard and struggle and ...you do nothing , but at least , everybody are "happy" because you re doing something , and you are delusional thinking that all this worring will solve your problems.


"Be a content creature. Do what you enjoy. Don't concern yourself with doing. Concern yourself with enjoying being. That's when the best stuff happens and when things generally work out quite well. "

Oh , i woud like have this type of personality ...

[richest]

Strem2: Thanks for such uplifting story and advice

sunshineXTC: Thanks for your idea for activating right brain

jota: Thanks for the advice

I think I'll start with training my right brain to get creative

[SlicK]

Then after I re-read some posts in this forum, I realize that I'm too logical person, I'm a left brainer, so when it comes to manifesting money, my logic start to dominate, and I have difficulties on getting rid of it. The question of "How? when? where? why? what?" will be dancing inside my head. I also tried to surrender, but never been able to get surrender feeling.

Typical for the brain to run around in circles. Read The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment by Eckhart Tolle. It explains everything you need to KNOW. Of course, it has no use if you only "understand" it. You must (not) DO (you'll see in the book what I'm talking about). Most of the things there cannot be understood by the brain anyway. You don't need a brain to know.

I don't yet know if it's about switching off the hyperactive crazy monkey from your brain or just not being aware of it, letting it be, but I do know that when you "switch it off", amazing things happen and a greater understanding, intelligence, consciousness, power, takes over.

[richest]

Originally Posted by SlicK

Typical for the brain to run around in circles. Read The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment by Eckhart Tolle. It explains everything you need to KNOW. Of course, it has no use if you only "understand" it. You must (not) DO (you'll see in the book what I'm talking about). Most of the things there cannot be understood by the brain anyway. You don't need a brain to know.

I don't yet know if it's about switching off the hyperactive crazy monkey from your brain or just not being aware of it, letting it be, but I do know that when you "switch it off", amazing things happen and a greater understanding, intelligence, consciousness, power, takes over.

Hey Slick,

Thanks for your advice. I have The Power of Now book, but couldn't finish reading it, because it's just like you said, my brain cannot understand it

Besides, my logic brain keep asking, "What present moment has to do with manifesting money?"

[Acting Like Godot]

I disagree with the OP, because it suggests that the Law of Attraction is illogical.

It isn't illogical. It is very structured, very orderly, and we can see that even if we do not understand everything about it. If you want to understand more about how it works, try reading the Seth books.

Alternatively, just consider this perspective - that the universe is run by an intelligence far greater than that in your own left brain. You know enough to know that this universal intelligence exists; and you even know enough to know how to use it to your advantage; but you are dumber than the universe and therefore there's a lot that you will never know.

You may have doubts about your intention because based on your own limited intelligence, knowledge and experiece, you think of all the possible ways that it could go wrong, or you can see no ways that it could go right. But bear in mind that this is the result of your own very limited intelligence, knowledge and experience.

With your IQ score of 100, or 120, or even 140, there is just so much your little brain can process. The universe is much bigger than that. So let the universe do it for you .......

[SlicK]

Originally Posted by richest

Hey Slick,

Thanks for your advice. I have The Power of Now book, but couldn't finish reading it, because it's just like you said, my brain cannot understand it

Besides, my logic brain keep asking, "What present moment has to do with manifesting money?"

I like his idea about people being addicted to thinking. You can understand at least that. It's no different from drug addiction, cigarettes, coffee, whatever. You believe that it's impossible otherwise but it's just an illusion. Whatever you try to do, you feel as if you MUST think with your brain. Or your brain holds the grip and never lets you disconnect from it.

Imagine that your computer would control you. You would be very limited by what it knows. The brain (ego) does the same to you. You are not using it. It is using you.

[Circle]

So my question is, is there any special ways to disconnect from logic?

Learn to admire things... slowly slowly you will get the point... and when you see something beautiful, do not say " its beautiful", just notice what it is.. just notice the feeling it induces.. learn to live in the conscious experiences that underlie the words we use...

I have had the same problem and the interesting thing is that it disappeared without me even knowing how it did. All I can say that its very beautiful when heart becomes the master of the mind and not mind of the heart.

[Circle]

Another thing, It really takes an effort to maintain logic.. our true state is of the heart, logic is something we come to adopt later in our life..... as you become unaware of the tension in your body at the places where you are used to keeping it, similarly over time you becomes unaware of the tension you learn to keep in your mind.. any attempt on your part to release this tension will result in a tension at just another place in your mind.. the best thing is to relax.. you are keeping it alive.... Yes, I would also recommend " Power of NOW" ( Though I myself haven't read it yet)...

[richest]

ALG: So I should surrender to universe to let go controlling with my brain, right? But my brain again popped up a question "How??"

Slick:

Imagine that your computer would control you. You would be very limited by what it knows. The brain (ego) does the same to you. You are not using it. It is using you.

That hits me at some point. I know I'm being controlled now
So it makes me think (again), how to regain my control

Circle: Thanks. I think I will re-read The Power of Now carefully

I think I'm addicted to thinking as Slick said

[richest]

Today I really cannot let go from the control of logic. Been trying to get rid of logic to cope with my financial trouble, but it took control of me again. I can't regain my control in this kind of situation. I run out of money, starting to run out of food, and suddenly my little daughter get ill, need to go to the doctor but no money left. So I try the logic way, of borrowing some money to friends and family, but nobody can't help. I got frustrated, seems like no way out.

Now I can't do anything else but to see my wife cries, and my little daughter lying in bed. I give up my logic. Let see what God or universe will give.

[SlicK]

Been trying to get rid of logic to cope with my financial trouble, but it took control of me again.

You acknowledged lack of money on every level. If you cannot be ignorant of lack then at least try something else, a change in perspective/perception. That can be done easily with logic. Look at your problems from another angle.

[richest]

Originally Posted by SlicK

You acknowledged lack of money on every level. If you cannot be ignorant of lack then at least try something else, a change in perspective/perception. That can be done easily with logic. Look at your problems from another angle.

Thanks for your advice Slick. So far what I can do is just trying to convince myself that I'll get through this. But I'm still working on my feeling, cause I really want to know how to get out of my head and start to use awareness more. I've been searching the internet to find the method.

Still not sure, but one of the method that I'm practicing now is to focus on body and breathing process every time I got panic or anxious. It help a little, at least I don't go into total desperation

[Debo]

Its a horrible feeling isnt it when we are only seeing what we havent got, I too am working on my poverty consciousness, and the biggest thing for me was recognising the sickly anxious feeling in my stomach when I have to go to my online banking to pay bills, I hate knowing what I have in the bank or rather what I havent got, for me ignorance is bliss, I read the book wildly wealthy fast and she mentioned this feeling and how this is what is blocking money flowing to you and so I have been working on it now, I dont panic as much,im not manifesting money but up to now, I have had just enough, more would be lovely for a few luxuries, but il keep working on this, I would say try to overcome the feelings they do really block your flow

Good Luck

Debo

[Sandstone]

Originally Posted by danas

Thats kinda what life is like.
There are rules for you to discover and see what works. You can learn by trial and error but that'll take you a lifetime.
Or you can try to use some rules that other people tried and say work and you can give them a try.
Lets say someone tells you that you arent allowed to walk with the ball.
Whats logical about that? Nothing. Its just the rule of the game. And if you wanna earn points dont walk with the ball.
After a while of trying to play by the rules, they feel almost logical. Ask a basketball player- he'll say- of course you lost- you walked with the ball!

I love that example.

[Sandstone]

Sometimes my brain gets in the way by needing to know how something works in order to believe in it. When that happens I remind myself that I don't know how electricity works, I don't know how television or fax machines work but I still believe in them. I can't see the air I breathe or the gravity that is holding me down but I absolutely believe that it is there.

[richest]

Debo: Yes, I need to work on my feeling. I just got curious if others can do that, why can't I? Thanks for your uplifting story and advice

Sandstone: Hey man, thanks for reminding me about electricity analogy. It's been a long time I forgot it totally

[Agota]

I'm with ALG here: I think the question in original post is flawed, because is suggest that LOA is illogical, when actually it's very logical. I think what most people consider to be logical approach to life is actually completely irrational given that we live in the universe governed by the Law of Attraction.. I'm sorry, I chose the wrong word: what most people consider to be logical is not only irrational, it's plain insane.

The reason you have the conflict between what you call logic and the idea of LOA is because you didn't really accept the LOA as an universal law. I mean, if you'd really accept that yeah, this is the way the universe works, it would be completely crazy to think that Universe is illogical, right? What I really suggest you to do is to read more about LOA. Then, once you see the crystal clear logic behind it, you will be able to connect the dots between your previous vibrations and the things you're experiencing in your physical reality. This is awesome, even if your reality is filled with things you don't want, because hey, if you can manifest bad things with focusing on bad things, the logical sequence would be that you can manifest positive things with focusing on positive things, right?

P.S. The way you feel in present moment has absolutely everything to do with you manifesting money, because you're manifesting all the time, therefore if you are broadcasting the right vibration at the moment, the money is coming, but if you're not, it's not coming. That's what the feel good now is all about

P.P.S. By the way, I think that "Power of Now" is a very logical book. It's simply that we are used to calling insanity logic and calling logic "this spiritual stuff". I would be really entertained to see how someone would win a logical debate against the concepts of "Power of Now".

[Debo]

I would also add that if you get time, read as much as you can on LOA from many authors,this fills a lot of gaps or puts things in different ways for you that just may click into place. It definatley is all about the feeling for sure, this is what I struggle with the most but I am working on it. Also Slick` s posts seem to resonante for me, he has a way of putting things that I understand better. Just keep working on it all, dont give up and get disheartened, its all about us feeling our way there. It is very empowering to know that it will soon unfold and reveal itself to you, its like searching for the holy grail haha

PS, i know its hard to may it light hearted when bills are overdue, read the thread on `busting loose from the money game`.

Debo

[richest]

Thanks for your kind explanation Agota
Do you have any recommendation of LOA book I should read?

Debo: I have read the busting loose from money game but I don't get it, maybe because of my english comprehension level

[Debo]

Originally Posted by richest

Thanks for your kind explanation Agota
Do you have any recommendation of LOA book I should read?

Debo: I have read the busting loose from money game but I don't get it, maybe because of my english comprehension level

I have just ordered this book so cannot comment on it yet, it appeals to me because of the thread and my beliefs.

I like Stuart Wilde`s books, Doreen Banaszak `Excuse me your life is Now`, I like bits from many books , I dont agree with all of the books but I take out of them what clicks within me. I also like the Wallace D Wattles `The science of getting rich`, a very old book which if you search online you can download and read for free,

I think keeping these threads going is important for everyone to share their understanding and success with it all.

Debo