Anger

[alphamind]

I wanna know what type of effect anger has on reality? Apparently gratitude is ideal for manifesting and if one has love inside him/herself he can do anything. But, I have neither and there is nothing I can do about it right now.

A situation bothers the hell out of me, and I'm experiencing extreme bouts of anger towards the situation and a certain individual. Anger is known as a ferocious and destructive type of energy. If in this case my anger would destroy the situation that makes me unhappy it'd be too good and easy to be true. Does anger create more of the same or does it help in diffusing a situation?

[sunshineXTC]

Originally Posted by alphamind

I wanna know what type of effect anger has on reality? Apparently gratitude is ideal for manifesting and if one has love inside him/herself he can do anything. But, I have neither and there is nothing I can do about it right now.

A situation bothers the hell out of me, and I'm experiencing extreme bouts of anger towards the situation and a certain individual. Anger is known as a ferocious and destructive type of energy. If in this case my anger would destroy the situation that makes me unhappy it'd be too good and easy to be true. Does anger create more of the same or does it help in diffusing a situation?

Most would say that anger is bad, but that would be counterproductive because repressing or denying it certainly doesn't make it go away. It would still be within you and would still project into your reality. So the best thing to do is face the anger and use visualization. Anger is a natural part of our existence. Aggression is a natural part of our existence. There is nothing wrong with it. We've been told it is bad, but it is a tool of survival. So just imagine whatever you need to that allows you to cope with this person or situation. Generally a visualization that aggressively shoves them right out of your existence, and even allows you to shout at them is a good way to release pent up hostility.

The idea behind this is to begin to release the anger. To find a way to no longer feel like you are powerless. Most especially to not feel guilty at your feelings of anger. Anger is natural. It's what you do with it that can go against life. Visualizing is a coping tool. Beating up a pillow or a punching bag is another. Find a way to release these feelings, and look further beyond the anger to see what other feelings are circling around it. Powerlessness? Guilt? Betrayal? Etc. Address each of them and keep it focused on this situation. By that I mean pay attention to thoughts that sweep through your mind so that if you notice any generalizations that go beyond this person reevaluate them as to whether they are true, not true, not always true, rarely true.

This will help you keep everything focused on this person and situation so that you can work through it in a productive manner and release these feelings. If telling this person off feels good, do that. Sometimes the best thing to do is stand up for yourself. It removes your sense of powerlessness, addresses your anger, and gives you an outlet to express it in a productive way.

I hope that helps.

[LisaDreams]

For me, anger is only useful in bringing something to my awareness. What works best for me is to allow myself to really feel the anger, but then within a fairly short amount of time I look beneath the anger to understand what is really bothering me. There is always something below the anger i.e., hurt, fear, sadness, betrayal, etc. If I try to repress the anger it turns into resentment. If I ignore the anger it does not release. If I feed it, I seethe all the more. The only way I have effectively dealt with anger is to get at the feelings under the anger and deal with those.

I believe anger can be destructive if you feed it, ignore it or suppress it. I think anger is similar to guilt in this respect. It's value is in getting my attention. Once it has my attention, there is no value anymore. It's then that I must deal with the underlying feelings and (possibly) take some action.

Lisa

[alphamind]

At the time the anger rises there is no guilt. Just pure anger that feels justified. It is later on when the anger goes back into hiding and higher vibrational emotions come into play that I feel like an ass for my previous behavior. Telling the person to piss off or standing up for myself is out of the question, as the anger is my own issue and in fact the other person is more powerless than I am.

Originally Posted by sunshineXTC

Generally a visualization that aggressively shoves them right out of your existence, and even allows you to shout at them is a good way to release pent up hostility.

I've thought about this before, and actually do this in a way (think hateful thoughts). I wouldn't want to do this on purpose, as even non-physically I might harm the person and I don't want to do that. Wouldn't making such visualizations harm them either way? Don't wanna add bad karma either lol.

Lisa, it feels like anger is actually the transformation of emotions like sadness, guilt, grief, etc. As if it is one step above these emotions and is the tool to "burn" 'em off. I think everyone should have a punching bag in their possession!

[sunshineXTC]

Originally Posted by alphamind

I've thought about this before, and actually do this in a way (think hateful thoughts). I wouldn't want to do this on purpose, as even non-physically I might harm the person and I don't want to do that. Wouldn't making such visualizations harm them either way? Don't wanna add bad karma either lol

If you're angry then dealing with the anger is the only way to move out of the state of anger. Not wanting karma for dealing with it is this whole other beast you've just managed to insert into the situation. Ideally, you would just deal with the situation (without violence as it is never necessary) before it gets to the point where you're walking around angry at this person or situation. The only reason you are at this point is because of not facing it. To concern yourself with karma at this point is pointless because walking around angry at someone is the same thing. There is no difference except the guilt and fear you are assigning to the whole thing or if you have beliefs that have boxed you into a situation where something upsets you and you're screwed no matter how you deal with it. Does that make sense? To me, it appears that you've got a series of beliefs of how to handle this and none of them are giving you a way to handle this where it doesn't somehow hurt you whether it be by guilt, karma, or fear. That's a pretty messed up process, yet most of us have it instilled in us from an early age.

This is why I keep saying in my posts that facing things is the best and only way to go. You said you didn't want to get into it, probably because of the whole LOA perpetuation of a situation makes more of it, correct? Or perhaps because you would feel anger. Either way, processing it as it occurs or wherever you are with it right now is the only way to work through it rather than letting it build like a pressure cooker, because in not processing it you've spent far more time and energy on the situation. You've perpetuated it longer than you would have if you dealt with it as soon as possible. If you believe in karma, then you've created far more this way than if you had dealt with this when it happened or shorty thereafter. It's not always easy to deal with a situation in the moment it happens or even shortly after, but you have to start somewhere/sometime or you just walk around randomly pissed at people and or situations, which pretty much keeps you stuck. Anger in and of itself is not bad. I'm not talking about violence. Violence is an entirely different thing. The person who pays the price for anger is the person who feels it.

We create a lot of counterproductive beliefs around anger that need not exist. Something happens or someone does something. It hurts you in some way. You're angry. You deal with it then. You begin processing it then. In this case, you deal with it now. Not getting into it is where it festers and how it grows. Getting into it is how you work your way through it so that it no longer exists or has a hold on you.

[sunshineXTC]

I'm going to use this statement as an example of what I mean:

Originally Posted by alphamind

Anger is known as a ferocious and destructive type of energy. If in this case my anger would destroy the situation that makes me unhappy it'd be too good and easy to be true. Does anger create more of the same or does it help in diffusing a situation?

Anger is known as a ferocious and destructive type of energy. ???

According to whom? What makes it ferocious and destructive? It seems as though it's become a dangerous animal as described, but all of us have been angry at times. The degree of the anger depends on the situation. I'm fairly certain we don't have violent and vicious people reading this forum, though I can promise you each of us has been angry at some point in our lives. With that in mind, would you still say 'Anger is known as a ferocious and destructive type of energy?' I've spent enough time in anger to say that it is neither of those things unless I allow it to continue without dealing with what it is that brought about the anger. Therefore, it is logical to say that anger is not in and of itself a ferocious and destructive type of energy. However, anger that has not been addressed has the potential to become a ferocious and destructive type of energy.

If in this case my anger would destroy the situation that makes me unhappy it'd be too good and easy to be true.

The anger will destroy nothing. Anger does not destroy things. How anger is used can be destructive, however.

According to this statement, destruction of (ie: the end of) the situation would be to good and easy to be true. Hmmm? This is a no way out then according to this statement, because the end of the situation which is causing suffering (specifically anger as the form of suffering) would be too good and easy to be true. Therefore, your belief according to that statement is that you are to suffer (be angry) because anything else is not probable or likely to occur (to good and easy to be true).

Looking at this statement in its entirety, do you see how it is a statement about a belief that locks you into a perpetual state of suffering with no way out?

Could it be that this outlook is causing you to not find a way to deal with situations that cause you anger or, for that matter, any kind of suffering (whether it be due to underlying issues of fear or guilt or even a sense of powerlessness or hopelessness)?

Hopefully this will give you a deeper look into what's going on inside you.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by alphamind

I wanna know what type of effect anger has on reality?

Apparently gratitude is ideal for manifesting and if one has love inside him/herself he can do anything.
But,
I have neither and there is nothing I can do about it right now.

When you are angry, & let... yourself get even more pissed off,
you're stuck in a vicious Circle: does that sound like Fun to you?

And since you already know that with Love-inside you can do ANYthing what ALL do you want?

No such thing as 'can't do anything about it'.

Do you want stuck? or do you want ANYthing good ... the Choice is yours

[SkylightMT]

There's nothing wrong with anger.

If you are feeling gratitude and you give that energy by dwelling on it, you create more of what you are grateful for.

If you are feeling love, you create more of what you love.

If you are feeling angry, you create more to be angry about.

[alphamind]

Sunshine thanks a bunch for your insightful input, you really have dug into this whole thing more than I have.

You're right, dealing with the situation is the answer, though I see major disasters if that happens. So you're absolutely correct in that regard, there's psychological fear involved...and not only. Is it guilt if I become too considerate of the other person's feelings? Because this is really the story of my life. I cannot for the life of me become assertive at all times just because I'm considerate of other people. I get to see that when someone annoys me that it's not done with that intention, but more likely because the other guy doesn't know any better or is just an idiot which makes me cringe just thinking of being assertive, or even coming out completely. As far as anger being destructive goes, I guess I wanted to say rage. Which of course anger can turn into if repressed long enough.

[alphamind]

Originally Posted by sk8joyful

When you are angry, & let... yourself get even more pissed off,
you're stuck in a vicious Circle: does that sound like Fun to you?

And since you already know that with Love-inside you can do ANYthing what ALL do you want?

No such thing as 'can't do anything about it'.

Do you want stuck? or do you want ANYthing good ... the Choice is yours

Oh come on, let's be real here. If it were that simple we'd all do a magic gesture and planet Earth would be Eden again! I believe our Being can do anything, when conscious of Itself though. Being filled with anger and rage isn't exactly the ideal frequency for self awareness, thus making it hard to let go of the anger and feel love just like that. I like your vibe though

[alphamind]

Originally Posted by SkylightMT

There's nothing wrong with anger.

If you are feeling gratitude and you give that energy by dwelling on it, you create more of what you are grateful for.

If you are feeling love, you create more of what you love.

If you are feeling angry, you create more to be angry about.

Law of cause and effect...we're screwed

[sunshineXTC]

Originally Posted by alphamind

Sunshine thanks a bunch for your insightful input, you really have dug into this whole thing more than I have.

You're right, dealing with the situation is the answer, though I see major disasters if that happens. So you're absolutely correct in that regard, there's psychological fear involved...and not only. Is it guilt if I become too considerate of the other person's feelings? Because this is really the story of my life. I cannot for the life of me become assertive at all times just because I'm considerate of other people. I get to see that when someone annoys me that it's not done with that intention, but more likely because the other guy doesn't know any better or is just an idiot which makes me cringe just thinking of being assertive, or even coming out completely. As far as anger being destructive goes, I guess I wanted to say rage. Which of course anger can turn into if repressed long enough.

For the ones that it's not done intentionally, developing the ability to let those things go is quite helpful. If it's a case where you carry around things after the situation is over, sometimes the best thing you can do is to just let them go. Assertive or speaking up isn't always necessary. Years ago, I would hang onto things for a while, depending on what they were. I would get something in my mind and mull it over, relive it, analyze it over and over. Something could have been a two minute encounter that lasted in my head on and off for days. Then I just learned to let all that stuff go. The ability to forget things that are of little consequence or designating things irrelevant is quite useful. So if it's things that can be let go, definitely let go of them. No point in that.

[sk8joyful]

Originally Posted by alphamind

Oh come on, let's be real here.

What made you think I wasn't, REAL

And I agree there's nothing wrong with anger.
I've taken a bazillion abuses, to be justifiably angry about.
No anger doesn't begin to cut it; more like ENRAGED! there, that says it better
oh, about what, you ask:
having doctors commit malpractice. Children aborted, & molested, other's dysfunctional selfishness, etc
But enough of that, already.

At some point, one realizes that all that pissing, get's nothing else accomplished. And then what?

Originally Posted by alphamind

If it were that simple, we'd all do a magic gesture and planet Earth would be Eden again!
I like your vibe though

Actually you know, Watch how QUICK you can
Change...your mind, in like a nano-second, to something much more wonderful...
You know you can, as you've done it millions of times already, with wots of practice...

I also like doing Good-magic & Voila, in our minds we have Eden...