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Old 08-26-2011, 10:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm sure many of us have seen the recent spat of blog posts from Steve about changing your vibration/focus. This has sparked a burning question within me.

We'll just stick with the "abundance" vibe since that's what he's been writing about. The most important thing is to create a feeling of abundance within: the "as above, so below" model.

So here's what I'm wondering. If you create a feeling of abundance by imagining what it would be like to have abundance, aren't you basing your vibration on externalities?

Think of love/connection. The standard maxim is that in order to love others, you have to love yourself. SO, if you create the vibration of love by imagining connecting with and loving somebody else (&vice versa), are you *really* changing anything internally?

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So here's what I'm wondering. If you create a feeling of abundance by imagining what it would be like to have abundance, aren't you basing your vibration on externalities?
As long as I create a feeling of abundance, it doesn't really matter HOW I am creating it. It's the feeling itself that matters.

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Think of love/connection. The standard maxim is that in order to love others, you have to love yourself. SO, if you create the vibration of love by imagining connecting with and loving somebody else (&vice versa), are you *really* changing anything internally?
If you create the vibration of love, you created the vibration of love. If you don't, you don't.

This thing about thinking there is a right way of doing things has been a big obstacle for me. I bet it also is for others. One day I said "*****'em all and their books and their theories and everything, I'll do it MY WAY!". And it was good for a few weeks. Then it wasn't good. But that's because I still thought (consciously/unconsciously) that logic and knowing with the brain is what matters. The brain can't know some things, it can't understand some things and it can't do some things... but it doesn't have to because there are other things... greater than it.
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I'm sure many of us have seen the recent spat of blog posts from Steve about changing your vibration/focus. This has sparked a burning question within me.

We'll just stick with the "abundance" vibe since that's what he's been writing about. The most important thing is to create a feeling of abundance within: the "as above, so below" model.

So here's what I'm wondering. If you create a feeling of abundance by imagining what it would be like to have abundance, aren't you basing your vibration on externalities?
You can't separate the internal from the external. They are two sides of the same coin. There is the inner feeling of abundance, and the outer reflection of that abundance.

Over the course of your life, you have developed certain ideas about abundance and well being. You have built up your own personal repository of symbols for this feeling. These would be outward physical scenarios that represent abundance for you. People in a culture often share many of the same symbols (money for example).

When you vividly picture yourself living in a situation that characterizes abundance for you, you are accessing these symbols, which represent the feeling of well being you are desiring to experience. Your desire for these physical things relegates them to the realm of your symbols of abundance. It is an association, or path we might say, to an inner vibrational state, which will, in time, reflect itself in the outer environment.

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Think of love/connection. The standard maxim is that in order to love others, you have to love yourself. SO, if you create the vibration of love by imagining connecting with and loving somebody else (&vice versa), are you *really* changing anything internally?

Thanks for reading.
You are, because if you are focused on loving others, you are not focused in detrimental ways in regards to yourself. Your focus, or pattern of thoughts, has changed (at least, temporarily). It is certainly possible for people to alternate back and forth, as they often do, and focus on loving others but when the topic of themselves comes up, they immediately go back to the vibrational focus of "I don't measure up" or "I'm not good enough" or "I'm not worthy".

To love oneself, one has to look at oneself and appreciate one's positive attributes. You have to like being around you, if others are to consistently like being around you.
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So here's what I'm wondering. If you create a feeling of abundance by imagining what it would be like to have abundance, aren't you basing your vibration on externalities?

Think of love/connection. The standard maxim is that in order to love others, you have to love yourself. SO, if you create the vibration of love by imagining connecting with and loving somebody else (&vice versa), are you *really* changing anything internally?

Thanks for reading.
Steve's posts are a re-harsh of the Abraham material, in that the premise of abundance is "abundance increases to accommodate your desire" its not based on externalities but a premise, when your environment causes you to ask for something the universe always has the ability to deliver, what is now is just a bouncing off place for your new reality.

You don't need to create the vibration of love, just see yourself as you inner being always sees you, it always loves and appreciates you once you allow that you will naturally attract people that feel the same way about you. Its nothing you need to force just let go of resistance.
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As long as I create a feeling of abundance, it doesn't really matter HOW I am creating it. It's the feeling itself that matters.


If you create the vibration of love, you created the vibration of love. If you don't, you don't.
Thank you, Slick. This certainly simplifies things.

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You can't separate the internal from the external. They are two sides of the same coin. There is the inner feeling of abundance, and the outer reflection of that abundance.
Ah yes... I find myself constantly needing to be reminded of this. Thanks.

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Over the course of your life, you have developed certain ideas about abundance and well being. You have built up your own personal repository of symbols for this feeling. These would be outward physical scenarios that represent abundance for you. People in a culture often share many of the same symbols (money for example).

When you vividly picture yourself living in a situation that characterizes abundance for you, you are accessing these symbols, which represent the feeling of well being you are desiring to experience. Your desire for these physical things relegates them to the realm of your symbols of abundance. It is an association, or path we might say, to an inner vibrational state, which will, in time, reflect itself in the outer environment.

You are, because if you are focused on loving others, you are not focused in detrimental ways in regards to yourself. Your focus, or pattern of thoughts, has changed (at least, temporarily). It is certainly possible for people to alternate back and forth, as they often do, and focus on loving others but when the topic of themselves comes up, they immediately go back to the vibrational focus of "I don't measure up" or "I'm not good enough" or "I'm not worthy".
Thank you; all of this makes a lot of sense.

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To love oneself, one has to look at oneself and appreciate one's positive attributes. You have to like being around you, if others are to consistently like being around you.
Honestly, this hasn't been my experience. I've experienced feeling absolutely unlovable, unworthy, internally flawed etc etc and I've always had plenty of people who liked being around me -- I've never lacked for friends. I'm interested in how that works.

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Steve's posts are a re-harsh of the Abraham material, in that the premise of abundance is "abundance increases to accommodate your desire" its not based on externalities but a premise, when your environment causes you to ask for something the universe always has the ability to deliver, what is now is just a bouncing off place for your new reality.

You don't need to create the vibration of love, just see yourself as you inner being always sees you, it always loves and appreciates you once you allow that you will naturally attract people that feel the same way about you. Its nothing you need to force just let go of resistance.
How is that not the vibration of love?
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What you are changing is your response to the environment. clearly, you have two choices, focus on scarcity or focus on abundance. This is irrespective of what the external looks like.

ps : I don't agree with Steve's latest post on bombs.
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We'll just stick with the "abundance" vibe since that's what he's been writing about. The most important thing is to create a feeling of abundance within: the "as above, so below" model.
That's the blood sweat and tears approach that doesn't acknowledge that you are a worthy and complete being already. The Abraham-Hicks interpretation of abundance is that abundance is your natural state of being. You don't have to do anything to feel abundant and attract abundance. You only have to stop nurturing bogus thoughts that don't let the abundance flow.
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What you are changing is your response to the environment. clearly, you have two choices, focus on scarcity or focus on abundance. This is irrespective of what the external looks like.

ps : I don't agree with Steve's latest post on bombs.
Thanks!

Hmmm... yeah, this is kinda what I was thinking. I guess it's better to focus on abundance even if you have to make it up?

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That's the blood sweat and tears approach that doesn't acknowledge that you are a worthy and complete being already. The Abraham-Hicks interpretation of abundance is that abundance is your natural state of being. You don't have to do anything to feel abundant and attract abundance. You only have to stop nurturing bogus thoughts that don't let the abundance flow.
Thank you.

I've read Ask and It Is Given, which seems to focus on the "blood sweat and tears" approach. Is it worth reading any of their other books? Do they expand more on this topic?
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That's the blood sweat and tears approach that doesn't acknowledge that you are a worthy and complete being already.
Worthy of what?

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Thanks!

Hmmm... yeah, this is kinda what I was thinking. I guess it's better to focus on abundance even if you have to make it up?
Yeah, always better than focusing on power outage.



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I've read Ask and It Is Given, which seems to focus on the "blood sweat and tears" approach. Is it worth reading any of their other books? Do they expand more on this topic?
Ask and it's given was years ago. Those 'teachings' are constantly evolving. Abraham started mocking their own processes already. When they feel that the larger audience is ready, they modify their concept. So if you are only relying on the words you read and not on what they are pointing at, chances are high that you will find contradictions in the teachings.

Oh, and could you please give me the link to the blog article you were referring to in your OP?
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Anything that's on your mind or possibly could cross your mind.
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Honestly, this hasn't been my experience. I've experienced feeling absolutely unlovable, unworthy, internally flawed etc etc and I've always had plenty of people who liked being around me -- I've never lacked for friends. I'm interested in how that works.
Well, I, personally (and I can only speak from experience here) have never met anybody who believed they were absolutely unlovable. There seems to be an inner seed or core inside us that tells us, in some way, that we are not unlovable. So basically, my point is, there is almost always a mix of belief systems operating inside most people at all times. And so, there is a mix of experience. If the belief is pure, the experience that matches it would also be pure. The same goes for a mix of beliefs or thoughts, the experience would reflect that jumble of foci. However, as human beings, it is rare when we achieve absolute purity of belief in ANY direction. We often get close though. And some individuals actually do.

From my perspective, and what has been my experience, is that everything we experience is a vibrational indicator what we have going on inside us. So from that vantage point, if you never lacked for friends I would take that to mean that you have always, at some level, believed in your likability, even if you didn't consciously realize it. If your belief in your un-likability were pure, you wouldn't have friends from my perspective.

But like I said, I can only speak from my personal experience. Perhaps you are the exception.
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Ask and it's given was years ago. Those 'teachings' are constantly evolving. Abraham started mocking their own processes already. When they feel that the larger audience is ready, they modify their concept. So if you are only relying on the words you read and not on what they are pointing at, chances are high that you will find contradictions in the teachings.

Oh, and could you please give me the link to the blog article you were referring to in your OP?
Oh, okay. I guess I'm quite confused, then!

Steve Pavlina’s Personal Development Blog -- almost all the posts for the last week, except the second most recent one ("Get a half price hotel" etc), are what I'm talking about.

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Well, I, personally (and I can only speak from experience here) have never met anybody who believed they were absolutely unlovable. There seems to be an inner seed or core inside us that tells us, in some way, that we are not unlovable. So basically, my point is, there is almost always a mix of belief systems operating inside most people at all times. And so, there is a mix of experience. If the belief is pure, the experience that matches it would also be pure. The same goes for a mix of beliefs or thoughts, the experience would reflect that jumble of foci. However, as human beings, it is rare when we achieve absolute purity of belief in ANY direction. We often get close though. And some individuals actually do.

From my perspective, and what has been my experience, is that everything we experience is a vibrational indicator what we have going on inside us. So from that vantage point, if you never lacked for friends I would take that to mean that you have always, at some level, believed in your likability, even if you didn't consciously realize it. If your belief in your un-likability were pure, you wouldn't have friends from my perspective.

But like I said, I can only speak from my personal experience. Perhaps you are the exception.
Oh, yes, you're right. I've always felt very likeable. I've just felt unlovable a lot. Like -- I felt like people would like to be around me, they just wouldn't want to get very close, or something. I guess that explains why I've had lots of friends but few boyfriends. I don't really feel that way any more, though.
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That's the blood sweat and tears approach that doesn't acknowledge that you are a worthy and complete being already. The Abraham-Hicks interpretation of abundance is that abundance is your natural state of being. You don't have to do anything to feel abundant and attract abundance. You only have to stop nurturing bogus thoughts that don't let the abundance flow.
When you say "stop nurturing bogus thoughts"...it's much better to put it "not resisting abundance" which is at the core of the Abraham-Hicks teachings.

Even in my own case, if I observe myself very carefully, I can see resistance from time to time, to abundance, which is of course is at the core of everyones not having more abundance in their lives.

I hope you don't mind me using more correct phrasing from the Abraham-Hicks book... but this is a VERY important point and if more people could see this in themselves (the resistance) they could have much more abundance come to them and have it so much easier.


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Thanks!

Hmmm... yeah, this is kinda what I was thinking. I guess it's better to focus on abundance even if you have to make it up?
Yes, but not necessarily. Surely you can find some aspect of your life where you have abundance. You can feel grateful for that and practice that vibe in other areas. Lil Cris has prepared a very nice FAQ on LOA. Have a look in case you have not seen it.

LOA - FAQ / Best Practices & Information
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When you say "stop nurturing bogus thoughts"...it's much better to put it "not resisting abundance" which is at the core of the Abraham-Hicks teachings.
That's also a bogus thought.

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I hope you don't mind me using more correct phrasing from the Abraham-Hicks book... but this is a VERY important point and if more people could see this in themselves (the resistance) they could have much more abundance come to them and have it so much easier.
That's right, it says resistance in the book. And your point is valid. But what does LOA tell you will come out of focusing on monitoring reality and trying to overcome one's own resistance to abundance?
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Oh, okay. I guess I'm quite confused, then!
My point was that wording and focus of the A-H teachings is changing. Let's take the subject of angels for example:

Some 20 years ago asked about angels they would have said that there are other realities with different kind of entities and that those different entities usually are focused so differently that they don't interact with each other. But if you tune into their vibration, then interaction is possible.

Nowadays they stress the point that everything is only an interpretation of source energy. Which means when you see angels that's only your personal way of interpreting source energy into something meaningful for you. Others might interpret that differently.

Now, the statement 20 years ago seems to admit that there are angels somewhere existing in their own realm. The recent statement seems to suggest that it's all only a figment of your imagination (interpretation).
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Reefs am starting to wonder if you're not Esther Hicks? Modifying their concept and from what I've seen Abraham's voice has changed too! What Criseyde has asked you, which is not disimilar to a question I had on another post, is what specific material you are referring to? Because I hear a different message on the youtube vids, and Criseyde has read 'ask and it is given' which seems to also point to blood, sweat and tears approach. I realise people have to figure answers out for themselves, and to be honest I quite like your posts as they have got me thinking and I now know about psycology Flow. But do you really need to be quite so confusing? People on these forums are genuinely after help, support and guidance from those who have derived helpful insightful conclusions. So my question to you is: what Abraham-Hicks material are you referring to specifically?
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Reefs am starting to wonder if you're not Esther Hicks? Modifying their concept and from what I've seen Abraham's voice has changed too! What Criseyde has asked you, which is not disimilar to a question I had on another post, is what specific material you are referring to? Because I hear a different message on the youtube vids, and Criseyde has read 'ask and it is given' which seems to also point to blood, sweat and tears approach.
Abraham started mocking their own processes and declaring them as irrelevant about a year ago. That was when they introduced the concept of 'the vortex'. So every recording prior to 2010 is most likely heavy on processes.

And people seem to misunderstand those processes anyway. People most likely think that those processes are intended to help them to get what they want. But those processes are actually only intended to distract people from their usual negative drum beating. And by doing that, they slip back into their natural state of being automatically. And by returning to their natural state, the things they want start manifesting all around them.

The basic premise is that being happy, abundant and healthy and clear minded takes no effort at all, it's your natural state of being. Only what goes against your natural way of being requires effort. Therefore you have to work really hard to get unhappy, poor, sick or confused.

You don't have to lift a finger to get what you want, you don't even have to visualize. Instant manifestations should be normal.

Abraham always say: You create with your mind, not with your actions. Your action is there to enjoy what you've created with your mind.

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What I'm telling you here about LOA is the Reefs interpretation of the Abraham-Hicks interpretation of LOA. That's all. It's the result of listening to a lot of their recordings and bringing it into context with other concepts about reality and experiences that go far beyond LOA. So, I'm not a follower of Abraham-Hicks. I just use some of their concepts and buzz words to fit my needs for interpreting reality.

If you want the teachings in a nutshell, try the "getting into the vortex" book.
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Thank you, I appreciate that non-confusing post. I've been reading a book on meditation, it's a big book. I only received it (sorry manifested it) last week so have neither finished it or put it into practice yet, however, the chapter I read last night seems to say exactly the same thing. Only in a much more obvious way. Still the thinking mind. I will look up those recommendations.

Here's a link that helps explain The Vortex:

http://goodvibeblog.com/2010/12/what...-what-why-how/

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My point was that wording and focus of the A-H teachings is changing. Let's take the subject of angels for example:

Some 20 years ago asked about angels they would have said that there are other realities with different kind of entities and that those different entities usually are focused so differently that they don't interact with each other. But if you tune into their vibration, then interaction is possible.

Nowadays they stress the point that everything is only an interpretation of source energy. Which means when you see angels that's only your personal way of interpreting source energy into something meaningful for you. Others might interpret that differently.

Now, the statement 20 years ago seems to admit that there are angels somewhere existing in their own realm. The recent statement seems to suggest that it's all only a figment of your imagination (interpretation).
How very odd, I had exactly this train of thought last night.

Anyway, thank you for your recommendation.

I hear their next book is going to be Spirituality and the Law of Attraction -- I'm interested to see how well it parallels what you've written here.

Thanks again!
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Old 08-28-2011, 10:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Abraham started mocking their own processes and declaring them as irrelevant about a year ago. That was when they introduced the concept of 'the vortex'. So every recording prior to 2010 is most likely heavy on processes.

And people seem to misunderstand those processes anyway. People most likely think that those processes are intended to help them to get what they want. But those processes are actually only intended to distract people from their usual negative drum beating. And by doing that, they slip back into their natural state of being automatically. And by returning to their natural state, the things they want start manifesting all around them.

The basic premise is that being happy, abundant and healthy and clear minded takes no effort at all, it's your natural state of being. Only what goes against your natural way of being requires effort. Therefore you have to work really hard to get unhappy, poor, sick or confused.

You don't have to lift a finger to get what you want, you don't even have to visualize. Instant manifestations should be normal.

Abraham always say: You create with your mind, not with your actions. Your action is there to enjoy what you've created with your mind.


Zaklee. That right there rocks the LOA world and aligns it with the nature of our being. The goal is effortlessness. It feels very good to stop banging one's head against the wall.
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Here's a link that helps explain The Vortex:

http://goodvibeblog.com/2010/12/what...-what-why-how/
Thanks for the link sponge!!

Funny I was just about to start a new thread about the vortex. I've been confused as to what it actually is and how we get in it. I've read a lot of abraham books and I've listened to them speak about the vortex. My understanding was that the vortex is our happy place and to get there you basically just do things that make you happy.

So the vortex is our natural state? Instead of trying to get into the vortex we just need to remove the things in our life that are keeping us out ie as reef said 'bogus' thoughts. Is this correct?

Also if we are in the vortex (our natural state of being) we only have to think about what we want and it will manifest is that right? Or do we have to be in alignment with what we want? I thought we had to feel as though we already had the things we want in order for them to manifest
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Abraham started mocking their own processes and declaring them as irrelevant about a year ago. That was when they introduced the concept of 'the vortex'. So every recording prior to 2010 is most likely heavy on processes. {snip}

What I'm telling you here about LOA is the Reefs interpretation of the Abraham-Hicks interpretation of LOA. That's all. It's the result of listening to a lot of their recordings and bringing it into context with other concepts about reality and experiences that go far beyond LOA. So, I'm not a follower of Abraham-Hicks. I just use some of their concepts and buzz words to fit my needs for interpreting reality.

If you want the teachings in a nutshell, try the "getting into the vortex" book.
I studied A-H for several years and in the end I was far worse off for it. Just my experience, but in retrospect, I think that there is way too much over-thinking to all of it. For a group of advanced spiritual entities, they appear to have zero grasp on what it is to be human. After a while, I would listen to their CDs and Esther channeling Abe would say things about how they had been watching us and discovered this or that. Kind of makes you feel like a test subject. ETA: might be I just ended up on thinking and wanting more than being happy and 'being'...

Money and abundance are very polluted for most of us. The energy has so many ideas and feelings and beliefs attached to it that when you are not in the flow of it, getting there feels like reaching for Mars. Best thing to do is an end run on all of that.

Do you remember a time before you had bigger thoughts about money, when a relative gave you the gift of money, and you felt like WOW! So much money!

Or when you got your first paycheck and again WOW MONEY

We lose that over time after tempered by life and understanding of the value of money and whatever is going on in the economy. That is when we started shifting away from that WOW MONEY

Try to get that feeling back. It's a great feeling of abundance. Look at whatever money you have in your wallet and just think of it as FREE MONEY. EXTRA MONEY. It's to spend on whatever you want. Don't think anything beyond that. Focus on it as FREE MONEY. EXTRA MONEY. Forget all the other stuff.

Another thing you could do is remember a special occasion when you got stuff you liked. Remember how abundant you felt.

One that's fun in a different way is when you gave someone a gift that they totally loved. I have great memories of doing that with some people (the ones that are great allowers or just really loved what you gave). I remember giving them the gift and how great it felt. It's a different sort of abundance. The abundance of giving. Lots of happiness there as well.

If you're looking for feelings, these may be a great place to start.

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Thank you, sunshineXTC.

Money is not something that actually excites me very much at this point in life (perhaps odd considering my situation ), but I like the abundance of gifts. I definitely like it when people really enjoy a gift that I gave them.

I picked up The Vortex today and so far it seems like eeeeeeexactly what Reefs was saying -- the focus is on relationships but the message is: stop trying so hard! Stop trying to control everything, just line up with Source and let everything fall into place. It's sort of like AAIIG, but thus far seems more focused on just relaxing and allowing than on all the processes, which I like.
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Thank you, sunshineXTC.

Money is not something that actually excites me very much at this point in life (perhaps odd considering my situation ), but I like the abundance of gifts. I definitely like it when people really enjoy a gift that I gave them.

I picked up The Vortex today and so far it seems like eeeeeeexactly what Reefs was saying -- the focus is on relationships but the message is: stop trying so hard! Stop trying to control everything, just line up with Source and let everything fall into place. It's sort of like AAIIG, but thus far seems more focused on just relaxing and allowing than on all the processes, which I like.
Maybe I should give it a try. I downloaded the audio book and never listened. Maybe it's worth a try. Thanks!
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Maybe I should give it a try. I downloaded the audio book and never listened. Maybe it's worth a try. Thanks!
Cool, yeah, if you already have it I'd say it's definitely worth a spin. It does seem different than the earlier stuff.

Out of curiosity -- what sidetracked you with the Abraham stuff before?
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Cool, yeah, if you already have it I'd say it's definitely worth a spin. It does seem different than the earlier stuff.

Out of curiosity -- what sidetracked you with the Abraham stuff before?
I think in the end the need to be constantly positive didn't mesh well for me. That's not life. That's denial of part of life. Eb and flow. There has to be Eb to be flow. Then there was Katrina... I was in their yahoo email group and when Katrina hit there were all these insensitive posts about how the people brought that on themselves. It was the most horrific case of blaming the victim that I'd ever seen. The people from the 9th ward that were trapped and dying from no water were being used as a 'perfect shining example of LOA. They attracted that disaster because they were in lack. That was it for me. No compassion in that group. Just rationalization.

If Abe has shifted back to focusing on feelings then it's worth a listen for me since I do have it already. I've decided (or perhaps learned) that there's a balance between getting what you want and finding joy in what you have that really can be quite lovely. The trick is not getting caught up in thinking that something will make you happy because you get there and the happiness isn't what you thought or doesn't last. Abe actually thrived on that for a long time. They called it being on the leading edge - always reaching for more. Sometimes you have to learn how to be happy with what you have, you know? Always reaching is not good for the soul. It's a form of self-inflicted starvation or hunger.
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I'm sure it was facing reality.
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I'm sure it was facing reality.
In a way it was.

Reality has its perks
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