Being positive doesn't seem to work but the opposite works

[velvet1]

Not sure if those of you have had the same reaction, but no matter how positive I'm it just doesn't seem to work. If I'm the opposite, rant and say things firm angry/passion than throwing it like its garbage as if I don't really care . It just comes by so easily, its like the universe is trying to prove me wrong. If I'm thinking 'this ain't gonna happen and I don't give a fly' the universe makes it happen. If I'm positive that things will go right the universe tries to give me the opposite, everything becomes a mess. That's why the whole thing about being super positive doesn't always work.

Also, if I tell the universe that I don't want a situation to happen. I tell it with firm, certainty and let it go. Most of the time, it still comes but I accept it and before it fully happens; the universe doesn't make the situation happen. The downside sometimes it has glitches, the situation keeps coming back.

[ChrisGinsburg]

Positivity and negativity have no inherent value whatsoever. Nor is any act, state of mind/body or experience inherently any more positive than it is negative. What you are noticing is that trying to be positive is a phony act. It's like an actor standing on stage playing a role. He can play it to a T but it's still just an act.

[supertom]

This is kinda of what i discovered earlier, that negativity brought about better results. I think you will like the works of John Demartini also.

[Bliss Sage]

I've observed something similar too. I have been quite happy for quite many months now, and visualizing and so far neither of the 2 things I have been visualizing have come to pass.

In retrospect, I see that the only times I have ever managed to manifest something big was when I was profoundly scared and desperate, or angry and fed up, so much so that I had a powerful determination and was hell-bent on getting out of my situation. Things had to get really bad for me to reach that point of power though. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can call forth the same power of determination without things getting that bad.

Being happy and positive certainly is not working. However, I appreciate that kind of feeling good for its own sake.

Oh, and with regards to what you said about not caring... By contrast, in the year 2007 I was in a certain country and absolutely DESPERATE to stay and live there (but in this case, I didn't have the power to allow that). In 2008 I had to leave for good and for the years 2008-09 I was DESPERATE to get back there and was intending some kind of healing center there.

Finally, I got over it and I quit. Made other plans for my life and didn't want even to visit that country anymore. This week I just received a job offer in that country. It's like WTF??? This happens a hell of a lot, I've noticed. Once I stop wanting something, I get it. But by then, it's bad or infuriating, because it either interferes with my current desire or it just pisses me off that it has come when I don't give a rat's a§§ anymore.

What is that about?!!

[Sponge]

Honestly it is so weird that whenever I have been thinking something or reading something about PD, I come on to this forum and there's a thread. I had this discussion today with a friend about how you really need to just not care about the outcome, just say to yourself 'well, whatever if it happens it happens' and genuinely not care if it doesn't. I guess this is detachment though, you take out the desperation which sends out the wrong signal. I have also got to thinking that it doesn't matter if you are negative or positive as long as you believe in it enough. That explains to me how I know of rich people who arn't very nice. Or the many people in positions of power who are corrupt etc
However, I do believe negative/bad feelings attract more of the same so it's in our interest to keep things positive which in turn definately helps you feel better. I am open to suggestions on how to do this - as I seem to have lots of negative thoughts that are just not disappearing.
I love the fact that even though I've read so much, things seem to click day by day the more I look within and ask questions.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by velvet1

Not sure if those of you have had the same reaction, but no matter how positive I'm it just doesn't seem to work. If I'm the opposite, rant and say things firm angry/passion than throwing it like its garbage as if I don't really care . It just comes by so easily, its like the universe is trying to prove me wrong. If I'm thinking 'this ain't gonna happen and I don't give a fly' the universe makes it happen. If I'm positive that things will go right the universe tries to give me the opposite, everything becomes a mess. That's why the whole thing about being super positive doesn't always work.

Also, if I tell the universe that I don't want a situation to happen. I tell it with firm, certainty and let it go. Most of the time, it still comes but I accept it and before it fully happens; the universe doesn't make the situation happen. The downside sometimes it has glitches, the situation keeps coming back.

When it comes to deliberate creation and LOA, the rule of thumb mantra is: when you are outside the vortex, don't even try!

And when you are inside the vortex, you don't have to try, because you (as a deliberate personal creator) won't exist anymore.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Reefs

When it comes to deliberate creation and LOA, the rule of thumb mantra is: when you are outside the vortex, don't even try!

And when you are inside the vortex, you don't have to try, because you (as a deliberate personal creator) won't exist anymore.

makes sense. hahaha!

I wonder if there was a poll of all LOAers what the real results would be. I would think it would be hit and miss. And hit and miss is like the best conditioning schedule that uses variable rewards. So the conclusions are that LOA works because they have been conditioned with hit and miss to expect a reward.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

makes sense. hahaha!

I wonder if there was a poll of all LOAers what the real results would be. I would think it would be hit and miss. And hit and miss is like the best conditioning schedule that uses variable rewards. So the conclusions are that LOA works because they have been conditioned with hit and miss to expect a reward.

LOA is always a hit when you want to attract larger audiences, but usually a miss when you want to bait the non-duality crowd.

[Dimitri]

Being "positive" and "being angry with a passion" aren't two opposites. Nor are they two sides of the same coin when working with LoA.

We're always asked to have a pleasant face and a smile, be polite, and have a positive outlook on life, so essentially, being positive is much easier to fake than being angry with a passion.

What about being positive with a passion? Whenever I think of something bigger than I can easily achieve, something that scares me a little, I feel this incredible enthusiasm. I can't really call that being positive. It's really this loving passion, that's just as strong as anger.

Does it have the same effect with intention? I feel it does.

[taylor]

I think most people by default motivate by the negative initially easier than the positive. That's what gets the squirrel off his tail manifesting nuts. He's hungry!

Your intention can get very clear, focused, and intense when you are negative. The thing is though, intense negative energy has downsides.

Your intention can get very clear, focused, and intense when you are positive. The thing is though, intense positive energy takes a whole new way of life to get it up to the same level of intensity.

[arpee]

The reason why the thing wasn't coming when you was being positive is because you kept thinking about it.

This is how Law of Attraction works,

1) Ask
2) The Answer Comes
3) LET GO and don't think about it and be happy doing other things so that it can actually flow into your life!

Let Go is step three! And when you get mad and say "I don't care anymore" that is you do step 3, but you shouldn't have to be mad to do it. Wouldn't it be nice if you could let go WHILE being positive....

For example "I want this thing and I'm sure it'll come. Now I'll let go (not think of it anymore)"

It's not just about visualizing and being positive. People forget the major step of LETTING GO!

[Bliss Sage]

When it comes to deliberate creation and LOA, the rule of thumb mantra is: when you are outside the vortex, don't even try!

And when you are inside the vortex, you don't have to try, because you (as a deliberate personal creator) won't exist anymore.

Ugh, don't even get me started on "the vortex." That is so untrue. I found the most awesome apartment when I was in a fit of being incredibly fed up with where I was living and on the heels of being fuming mad at some idiot living there, and I found my awesome apartment in one day. If I never tried to do anything when I wasn't in the vortex, I would have been dead by now.

Originally Posted by Sponge

However, I do believe negative/bad feelings attract more of the same so it's in our interest to keep things positive which in turn definately helps you feel better. I am open to suggestions on how to do this - as I seem to have lots of negative thoughts that are just not disappearing.

For this, I can recommend some useful (because it works) advice of Abraham-Hicks. You can stop your negative feelings by making a conscious effort to see good things around you and that happen to you. A-H has an exercise that really helped me a lot, for example - write lists about positive things about different people in your life. Write lists about things you are grateful for every day.

If you keep doing that, sooner or later, your thinking will begin to shift and you will start to look at things in a more positive light.

[linviolin]

I agree that my most powerful manifestation so far has been when I acted from fear and anger (it came true the very next day). I think the basis for the LoA is the strength of your emotion, not so much whether it is positive/negative.

I personally find the 'positive' approach too 'fluffy' for me sometimes. What works for me (I'm not sure if it will for you, but give it a try?) is to maintain some slight determination and aggression towards your goal. If I feel like giving up, I tell myself to 'man up'. If I feel lousy, I tell myself 'are you going to let life do this to you?'

Maybe try How To Get A Grip – Get a grip on life – take responsibility for yourself – be in control of your own life, I read his blogposts and while they are intended for slight hilarity, the underlying attitude of taking responsibility for yourself seems to empower me.

[velvet1]

Originally Posted by ChrisGinsburg

Positivity and negativity have no inherent value whatsoever. Nor is any act, state of mind/body or experience inherently any more positive than it is negative. What you are noticing is that trying to be positive is a phony act. It's like an actor standing on stage playing a role. He can play it to a T but it's still just an act.

Indeed that's what I noticed that its just better to have yin/yang in your manifestation energy. I'm still positive but a good rant, being negative sometimes is fine.

Originally Posted by supertom

This is kinda of what i discovered earlier, that negativity brought about better results. I think you will like the works of John Demartini also.

Will check out his work, thanks.

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

In retrospect, I see that the only times I have ever managed to manifest something big was when I was profoundly scared and desperate, or angry and fed up, so much so that I had a powerful determination and was hell-bent on getting out of my situation. Things had to get really bad for me to reach that point of power though. Unfortunately, I'm not sure I can call forth the same power of determination without things getting that bad.

I've had that happened, were I'm at a point with a last straw and when things like that happened. I manifest it but take action quickly, of course I gain more straws.

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

Being happy and positive certainly is not working. However, I appreciate that kind of feeling good for its own sake.

Maybe combine both, that might seem like a good idea .

Originally Posted by Bliss Sage

Finally, I got over it and I quit. Made other plans for my life and didn't want even to visit that country anymore. This week I just received a job offer in that country. It's like WTF??? This happens a hell of a lot, I've noticed. Once I stop wanting something, I get it. But by then, it's bad or infuriating, because it either interferes with my current desire or it just pisses me off that it has come when I don't give a rat's a§§ anymore.

What is that about?!!

You obviously detached yourself from the situation, went on to just living and that is when it happens. I see the universe a post mail office, sometimes if you keep buzzing and buzzing the office saying when am I gonna get my package. It takes much more longer, when most of the time if you just let the mail office do its work without interrupting than its gonna happen. Your gonna get your package right on time and when you least expected it .

Originally Posted by Sponge

Honestly it is so weird that whenever I have been thinking something or reading something about PD, I come on to this forum and there's a thread. I had this discussion today with a friend about how you really need to just not care about the outcome, just say to yourself 'well, whatever if it happens it happens' and genuinely not care if it doesn't. I guess this is detachment though, you take out the desperation which sends out the wrong signal. I have also got to thinking that it doesn't matter if you are negative or positive as long as you believe in it enough. That explains to me how I know of rich people who arn't very nice. Or the many people in positions of power who are corrupt etc
However, I do believe negative/bad feelings attract more of the same so it's in our interest to keep things positive which in turn definately helps you feel better. I am open to suggestions on how to do this - as I seem to have lots of negative thoughts that are just not disappearing.
I love the fact that even though I've read so much, things seem to click day by day the more I look within and ask questions.

Indeed, the things that you think about the universe makes the information available as long as you're not attach to it. Yes, I've been thinking that maybe its best to do it like yin/yang merge both positive/negative to influence the situation. Thinking negative, turn it around with positive. Thinking positive, maybe even throw some anger in it too.

Originally Posted by linviolin

I agree that my most powerful manifestation so far has been when I acted from fear and anger (it came true the very next day). I think the basis for the LoA is the strength of your emotion, not so much whether it is positive/negative.

I personally find the 'positive' approach too 'fluffy' for me sometimes. What works for me (I'm not sure if it will for you, but give it a try?) is to maintain some slight determination and aggression towards your goal. If I feel like giving up, I tell myself to 'man up'. If I feel lousy, I tell myself 'are you going to let life do this to you?'

Maybe try How To Get A Grip – Get a grip on life – take responsibility for yourself – be in control of your own life, I read his blogposts and while they are intended for slight hilarity, the underlying attitude of taking responsibility for yourself seems to empower me.

Anger can be good sometimes, that means your willing to take more action. Indeed, being positive can sometimes become fluffy. Its like a child deep down wants the balloon but for some reason thinks its best for it to act nicely and wait for it to be given. While the other kid, knows he want a balloon, he asks for a balloon and gets one right away. If he has to wait, he will wait but he asked for it and the person in charge of the balloon knows he wants one. The other kid that didn't ask might get lucky or not.

This whole thing is clicking now, before it was confusing.

[dreamlearner]

Originally Posted by velvet1

Not sure if those of you have had the same reaction, but no matter how positive I'm it just doesn't seem to work. If I'm the opposite, rant and say things firm angry/passion than throwing it like its garbage as if I don't really care . It just comes by so easily, its like the universe is trying to prove me wrong. If I'm thinking 'this ain't gonna happen and I don't give a fly' the universe makes it happen. If I'm positive that things will go right the universe tries to give me the opposite, everything becomes a mess. That's why the whole thing about being super positive doesn't always work.

Also, if I tell the universe that I don't want a situation to happen. I tell it with firm, certainty and let it go. Most of the time, it still comes but I accept it and before it fully happens; the universe doesn't make the situation happen. The downside sometimes it has glitches, the situation keeps coming back.

i observed the same thing from so many years.Now i am afraid of negative thoughts because they become true but my positive thoughts never became true.

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by arpee

The reason why the thing wasn't coming when you was being positive is because you kept thinking about it.

This is how Law of Attraction works,

1) Ask
2) The Answer Comes
3) LET GO and don't think about it and be happy doing other things so that it can actually flow into your life!

Let Go is step three! And when you get mad and say "I don't care anymore" that is you do step 3, but you shouldn't have to be mad to do it. Wouldn't it be nice if you could let go WHILE being positive....

For example "I want this thing and I'm sure it'll come. Now I'll let go (not think of it anymore)"

It's not just about visualizing and being positive. People forget the major step of LETTING GO!

There is no such thing as 'letting go'/

[Clint Cora]

Being positive in itself is not enough. You have to take action towards making things happen and being positive just helps motivate you to do that easier.

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Reefs

There is no such thing as 'letting go'/

what about allowing or surrendering?

[Reefs]

Originally Posted by wolfgang

what about allowing or surrendering?

Letting go, allowing, surrender are all synonymous. It has to happen by it's own in the sense that you are not the doer, you are not doing it, it just happens. No one trying to do anything or trying to get anywhere anymore.

But if you are actively trying to let go, allow or surrender, then it's not different from trying to bang everything into place. It's a tactic. It's someone trying to get somewhere by doing or not doing something. It's like doing the non-doing, practicing wu wei etc.

[180]

the pop psychology positive myth of the 80's is slowly being deconstructed by data research.

A lot of self help material promote "just think positive" but you think with two eras of that mentality things would be better, but we see the complete opposite.

I don't think negative thinking is always good, but it definitely is helpful in many facets. I admit its not great in social situations but I'll be damned if I didn't think that my friend might be hit by oncoming car if I didn't push her away.

Thinking about the possible "bad" things can save a life. To me that's more valuable than feeling good all the time.

[Cochonette]

Originally Posted by Dimitri

Being "positive" and "being angry with a passion" aren't two opposites. Nor are they two sides of the same coin when working with LoA.

We're always asked to have a pleasant face and a smile, be polite, and have a positive outlook on life, so essentially, being positive is much easier to fake than being angry with a passion.

What about being positive with a passion? Whenever I think of something bigger than I can easily achieve, something that scares me a little, I feel this incredible enthusiasm. I can't really call that being positive. It's really this loving passion, that's just as strong as anger.

Does it have the same effect with intention? I feel it does.

I very much agree with this. The way I started being positive was in response to endless negativity. I said, "I'm so goddamned tired of being negative all the time! It hurts and is not what I want!" So I decided to try being positive all the time. Contrary to the notion that it's "just" an act, acting positive made me start to be genuinely positive. But there's a difference between superficially acting positive and profoundly acting positive - one is done without any sense of inspiration, and the other IS inspired and comes with a passion. Of course, developing that passion is itself not something that can be contrived and may be the most difficult thing in the world to do consciously... it often involves much suffering to push one to choose an inspired life.

[Sina172]

Originally Posted by Clint Cora

Being positive in itself is not enough. You have to take action towards making things happen and being positive just helps motivate you to do that easier.

I couldn't disagree more about the "actions." It is complete and utter BS to NO end!

It's NOT about hard work and taking action, man! It's about your BELIEFS! WAKE UP! And anyone who says that to you, RUN! LOL! That just puts you OUT of alignment because you're on the WRONG end of the spectrum.

When you're truly in alignment of what you want, you're actions will come to you NATURALLY and you will get what you want quickly and effortlessly at the perfect time! It's called inspired action, and it complies directly with the Law of Right Action.

The Universe works in mysterious ways. It NEVER happens the way you THINK it's going to happen! So stop thinking about "how" it's going to happen! That INCLUDES taking action!

If you get up in the morning, you get an idea and you FOCUS on that idea and really affirm to yourself: "I don't know when, I don't know how" you are in effect eliminating doubt. That elimination of doubt puts you in alignment of that idea, which puts you in a place of inspiration.

That inspiration is your call to action, and you'll be in the unversal flow! You're "actions" will not only take place naturally, but because you are coming from a place of inspiration, it feels effortless and you feel AMAZING! People notice you're energy and that positive vibe you radiate, and next thing you know, you're at a coffee shop, presenting you're idea and you end up meeting the right people.

Things JUST HAPPEN from there! So STOP with the actions! THEY DON'T MATTER! BELIEVE you can have it, and you will act NATURALLY from inspiration!

"Taking action" is honestly THE most LUDICROUS misconception I have EVER heard! "You need to take action!" REALLY? Do I, or does it JUST HAPPEN when I BELIEVE it?!?!?

That's NOT a trick question!

I have a better question: What's holding you back from living your dreams, DESPITE how hard you work or what "actions" you take? Two people can take the SAME get actions and get opposite results. Following and realizing your dreams does NOT mean you have to take action! As long as you believe it'll happen, you're actions won't even matter, because it's happening, it's there and it's only a matter of time before you achieve it.

Why not look at the BELIEFS within to see what's going on, so you can change them if they don't serve you? Where do your actions come from? They come from your beliefs. If deep down, you don't believe you can have it, NO AMOUNT of action will EVER take you there because the belief isn't there!!! Do you get that???

So STOP with the actions. It's NOT about how much action you take. That's like saying your car goes up to 120 MPH and if you wanna get to your destination quicker, drive faster. And on top of that, you're car isn't all that great. It would be some old piece of **** Chevy Cavalier in this case. You'd be lucky if you lasted 95 MPH without an accident, let alone 120 MPH!!!

Your actions are the SAME way. If deep down you don't believe you can have what you want, any actions you take will be pointless, and because you keep pushing for it and not getting anywhere, you'll end up in an accident.

BELIEVE you can have it FIRST AND FOREMOST, and next thing you know, you're driving 120 MPH or FASTER in a Ferrari feeling blissfully happy!

Your actions need to feel effortless and IN HARMONY with your desires! THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN FORCE!!! IT JUST HAPPENS WHEN YOU SIMPLY BELIEVE YOU CAN HAVE IT!!!

And your actions will follow NATURALLY at that point and no matter WHAT anyone says, you'll be in the universal flow to get what you want.

So when people tell you that you need to take action, they are missing the KEY element of where your actions come from: Your beliefs. We have beliefs on SO many different levels that just having the belief isn't enough. You have to become ONE with your desires and the Universe and everything JUST happens from there. You can't force alignment like that. When you focus on the actions of your success. you're focused on the "how" of your desires, instead of the WHY and that CREATES doubt.

But when you focus on your desires to the point where it's SO REAL in your mind that you actually FEEL like you ALREADY have it, not only will you believe it with every fiber of your being and it manifests at record-breaking speeds, you also BECOME that which you desire. NO action will EVER take you there, because it JUST HAPPENS...NATURALLY.

It's NOT your actions that creates results, it's when you become ONE with your desires and the universe that brings you results.....

I have manifested a LOT in my life, and I'm working towards winning the lottery in a VERY specific amount I want and if I win a smaller amount FIRST and then win again with the amount I want, so much the better because I'll actually have MORE!

In this example, two people have taken the SAME actions, yet one wins the jackpot, the other doesn't even get a single number to match.

So what significance do your actions, REALLY have??? Two people go for the SAME position. One gets hired, the other couldn't even get past the first interview!

Taking action has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the Universe giving you what you want!

Positive thinking by itself is also complete BS because it sometimes contradicts with your subconscious mind and beyond. I did that for 2 YEARS and it got me NOWHERE. Neither did taking action.

What DID help me was changing my beliefs on EVERY level, down to my DNA. I started acting as if, and BAM! Things are now taking place FASTER than I have EVER imagined!

The amount of action I have taken to "make it happen?" None. ZIP, ZERO, ZILCH! Why? Because that's NOT how it works!

The BEST way to achieving is to get help from people that have what you want so they can lead you in the right direction.

I have a Theta Healer and in Theta you can change beliefs, attitudes, behaviors, and habits, in SECONDS. Best part is, they are permanent changes.

So I have finally found what I have spent 3 YEARS searching for!

That's my view, in response to Clint.

Tony Robbins talks SO much about "taking action" that I STOPPED listening to him altogether. It pissed me off to NO end, because his focus was MORE on the actions, than it was the inner work and he doesn't seem to have a CLUE on how manifesting TRULY works.

Think positively, ONLY if it serves you. If it doesn't and you manifest better in other ways, then keep doing that until you do some energy work to shift entirely into the positive and let the positive thinking take over subconsciously so you can manifest bigger and better things.

Sina

[Sponge]

Thanks for your post Sina! Please can I have details of the Theta healing.

[loapatti]

I was looking for a place to discuss and understand LOA a little better without all the etheral stuff I read on other boards. thanks!

I do believe in LOA and sometimes I don't! Really mixed over it. I have a friend who is so negative about her health issues, she had a heart attack 30 years ago, I can't even listen to her anymore. I have heard her complain and whine about how ill she is and how the doctors told her a few years ago to get her affairs in order and that she was going to die. She is still here and yet my neice was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and there was a lot of positive thinking and hope trying to get her well. Her focus word was "believe" and we all used it but she still passed from her disease. My poor brother had complications from diabetes that brought him to the hospital. He was blind for 25 years and the diabetes brought down his liver and kidneys and he died a couple months ago. He never, ever complained about his illness. Yet, here is my friend still telling me she is going to die and yet she is still here. Get this, she believes she is a positive person, um no you're not.

Contradiction?

[wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Reefs

Letting go, allowing, surrender are all synonymous. It has to happen by it's own in the sense that you are not the doer, you are not doing it, it just happens. No one trying to do anything or trying to get anywhere anymore.

But if you are actively trying to let go, allow or surrender, then it's not different from trying to bang everything into place. It's a tactic. It's someone trying to get somewhere by doing or not doing something. It's like doing the non-doing, practicing wu wei etc.

yes like let's do "not doing" - and yet since we have no choice, if I do something that is supposed to produce surrender (spiritual practice of some kind), I am still not doing or doing anything anyway. perhaps.

[loapatti]

I am not really a positive person or negative. I have moments either way depending on my mood. I don't always think of the best possible outcome in a situation, I try to think of other scenarios where it could go wrong and try to prepare myself if that happens. Like having a plan B or C. I have been blindsided too many times not to think that something could not work out. Sorry, not going to have endless faith, I would rather be prepared to know all possibilities. Believe me, I have had great things happen as well as bad. And I do not think I am attracting bad things to me because I know that they are real and could happen.

[mallie]

Hi Sina,

Thank you for your very insightful reply - you are wise beyond your years!

I just wanted to say I totally agree with what sina said about taking action is bull***. What I really hate is when these self-help gurus present the word take MASSIVE ACTION. Like working your a** off is going to get results. I've taken MASSIVE action my whole life and I am still stuck not only in lack and limitation but I continually attract jobs into my life that are soul-sucking dead! You know why, its like sina said YOUR BELIEFS and nothing else.

I don't care how much action you take to become rich, if your SUBCONSCIOUS thoughts are not aligned with wealth and abundance you will ALWAYS FAIL TO ATTAIN YOUR GOALS AND DESIRES!!! This, I believe is why after 10 years of trying to win the lottery I have failed. Yes, I am sure there is a little bit of divine timing in anything you try to manifest but I now believe that the main reason that I have not won is due to my unconscious limiting beliefs. I know I have beliefs like: I don't think I will ever win. It's going to take forever to manifest. I have to work hard for money or I don't deserve to receive it. Money cannot come to me easily/you have to "earn" your keep and the list goes on.

Do you see how NONE of these beliefs support winning any amount of money? It's no wonder I have not won yet. Sina is right! You have to focus on changing out your beliefs. So many of us have LOSING BELIEF SYSTEMS! These belief systems are also OUTDATED BEYOND BELIEF! Many of us have belief systems that were formed in our childhood and let's face it - NONE of us really received beliefs SUPPORTING wealth, abundance, money coming to us easily and thru joyful sources. This is why the vast majority of people on this planet are either poor or financially limited or stuck in crappy jobs!

I, personally have ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY HAD IT WITH LACK AND LIMITATION IN MY LIFE!!! I am done with it!! I have settled for the less than the best for years and I am not doing this anymore. I absolutely deserve to be rich and happy and I am going to claim it and receive it now. I am also hiring a theta healer to really get to these core beliefs. If you want things to change in your life you absolutely have to change your beliefs at the core/dna level. Look, most of us are even carrying around beliefs that we carried into this lifetime from past lifetimes. Some of us even made VOWS OF POVERTY and until these vows are renounced and let go of they will continue to follow you around.

Affimations will ONLY work when you have released all the negative and limiting beliefs surrounding money and getting what you want. When you have cleared out all the old worn-out beliefs - THEN and only then do you want to start doing any affirmation. You can then affirm what you want into reality. I do believe at that point in time that affirmations serve a purpose but if you do it BEFORE all the beliefs are cleared out, you are not going to get anywhere.

There was a website by a guy named merlin and he has been studying the subconscious mind for quite some time now and it is a known fact that there is a gatekeeper in your mind called your conscious mind and this conscious mind is not going to allow anything positive in. That is why affirmations rarely work ( trust me I have done them!) You can only reprogram the subconscious mind when you get into theta states of mind and these usually happen during sleep so that's why listening to affirmations on your ipod in an endless loop can also help to overcome the negativity. I have looked into theta healing and it looks very good, easy and produces results and my guess is if you still are not getting your results you are seeking then there is more beliefs to clear out!

Btw: here is a link to find a theta healer worldwide Search

[Sina172]

Originally Posted by mallie

Hi Sina,

Thank you for your very insightful reply - you are wise beyond your years!

I just wanted to say I totally agree with what sina said about taking action is bull***. What I really hate is when these self-help gurus present the word take MASSIVE ACTION. Like working your a** off is going to get results. I've taken MASSIVE action my whole life and I am still stuck not only in lack and limitation but I continually attract jobs into my life that are soul-sucking dead! You know why, its like sina said YOUR BELIEFS and nothing else.

I don't care how much action you take to become rich, if your SUBCONSCIOUS thoughts are not aligned with wealth and abundance you will ALWAYS FAIL TO ATTAIN YOUR GOALS AND DESIRES!!! This, I believe is why after 10 years of trying to win the lottery I have failed. Yes, I am sure there is a little bit of divine timing in anything you try to manifest but I now believe that the main reason that I have not won is due to my unconscious limiting beliefs. I know I have beliefs like: I don't think I will ever win. It's going to take forever to manifest. I have to work hard for money or I don't deserve to receive it. Money cannot come to me easily/you have to "earn" your keep and the list goes on.

Do you see how NONE of these beliefs support winning any amount of money? It's no wonder I have not won yet. Sina is right! You have to focus on changing out your beliefs. So many of us have LOSING BELIEF SYSTEMS! These belief systems are also OUTDATED BEYOND BELIEF! Many of us have belief systems that were formed in our childhood and let's face it - NONE of us really received beliefs SUPPORTING wealth, abundance, money coming to us easily and thru joyful sources. This is why the vast majority of people on this planet are either poor or financially limited or stuck in crappy jobs!

I, personally have ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY HAD IT WITH LACK AND LIMITATION IN MY LIFE!!! I am done with it!! I have settled for the less than the best for years and I am not doing this anymore. I absolutely deserve to be rich and happy and I am going to claim it and receive it now. I am also hiring a theta healer to really get to these core beliefs. If you want things to change in your life you absolutely have to change your beliefs at the core/dna level. Look, most of us are even carrying around beliefs that we carried into this lifetime from past lifetimes. Some of us even made VOWS OF POVERTY and until these vows are renounced and let go of they will continue to follow you around.

Affimations will ONLY work when you have released all the negative and limiting beliefs surrounding money and getting what you want. When you have cleared out all the old worn-out beliefs - THEN and only then do you want to start doing any affirmation. You can then affirm what you want into reality. I do believe at that point in time that affirmations serve a purpose but if you do it BEFORE all the beliefs are cleared out, you are not going to get anywhere.

There was a website by a guy named merlin and he has been studying the subconscious mind for quite some time now and it is a known fact that there is a gatekeeper in your mind called your conscious mind and this conscious mind is not going to allow anything positive in. That is why affirmations rarely work ( trust me I have done them!) You can only reprogram the subconscious mind when you get into theta states of mind and these usually happen during sleep so that's why listening to affirmations on your ipod in an endless loop can also help to overcome the negativity. I have looked into theta healing and it looks very good, easy and produces results and my guess is if you still are not getting your results you are seeking then there is more beliefs to clear out!

Btw: here is a link to find a theta healer worldwide Search

Man! Did you NAIL that!

You got it PERFECTLY! And to top it off, you explained it BETTER than me!

I applaud you for that post, and YES! There is SOME Divine Timing involved, but typically speaking, once the blocks are removed and the proper beliefs are in place, manifestation JUST happens.......INSTANTLY. Now if there IS a delay of ANY sort, and it happens say a week or two later instead of immediately, chances are that you'll know why and you'll be even MORE grateful for it because you'll be GLAD it didn't happen right away! There could be a MILLION reasons why, but one of the biggest in my experience, especially after a Theta Healing session, is you are STILL clearing even AFTER a session. Sometimes days, weeks, or even MONTHS after a session, your subconscious could be clearing things out automatically while you go about your day, and BAM! Manifestation just happens.

So again, YES, there is SOME Divine Timing, but like I said, once the blocks are removed entirely and the beliefs are in place, you'll achieve what you want over and over and over again in avalanches of abundance and prosperity pretty much instantly thereafter and once you ask, it's given to you right away because there's nothing to block you anymore.

Think about this for a moment. What would you honestly do with ALL that freedom?

I'm seeing my dream car at LEAST 3 TIMES on a DAILY basis! Coincidence? I THINK NOT! LOL!

Sina

[mallie]

Thanks sina! I appreciate the compliment! Sounds like you are aligning up with your desires. I want to buy a brand new 2012 $80,000 fully loaded mercedes with my lottery winnings and I see these cars ALL the time now that I want to get one. So it is so great you are also seeing your dream car as well. I know we will both be driving our new cars soon! Go theta healing!!

[wolfgang]

do you want a mercedes in order to be happy?