The True Secret

[Max Power]

Thoughts don't create. Consciousness is awareness sitting there existing, timeless and ever present, but it is not thought.

When you need an answer or money or love or anything, you may ask, you may pray, you may wish, you make focus, but the answer, solution, manifestation is not thought. The answer may pop into your head and then you call it thought or your friend may call you when you think of them, but that isn't thought, it just seems like thought.

The true secret, the one that no one can seemingly solve or prove or truly know beyond doubt, is where does that answer come from, what brings it into thought, what makes it thought. Some will say a religious god, the universe energy, some guy with a stick and buttons running your life like a puppet, collective consciousness or a singular consciousness in the SR model.

In Steve's model of SR he says that consciousness is the programmer and thoughts are the instructions to the program. Thoughts are intentions and every thought is an intention, but thought doesn't create, that secret special something we try to label does the true creating and then makes thoughts to carry out the programing. Getting in touch, in alignment with that elusive secret, the one doing the real work, that's the true secret.

So if thoughts don't really create anything or at least are not the true source of power or decision, then what is?

Could it be choice? You make a fundamental choice about something, then it's belief, then thoughts that change the program, change the reality?

In the Matrix movies, the fundamental premise is choice, not thought or belief, but choice. The Oracle character in the movie tells, Neo (the main character) that he's already made the choice and that the only reason he's here is to understand it.

So it could be ....

Awareness/Consciousness->Choice->Fundamental Beliefs->Thoughts->Reality.

What's my point? The true secret, the one we're all trying to unravel, is what is the truth about our existance and (my other point is) that thoughts themselves are not the begining or creation, they are merely in the middle somewhere, the tools you as a conscious being use after you made the choice.

Power to the Max

[DoAnyOfYouExist]

What more can I say other than this. That was very well written and logical. I can't say I disagree with anything and I find the whole read very interesting, intriguing, and fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

[torilink]

I understand what you are saying is that the power of creation doesn't lie in the focused thoughts, but in the decision for whatever we desire.

I wrote something similar on my blog a while back - but basically it is when we DECIDE for our desire, that it is created, then we have our beliefs to deal with in order to allow manifestation.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by DoAnyOfYouExist

What more can I say other than this. That was very well written and logical. I can't say I disagree with anything and I find the whole read very interesting, intriguing, and fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

It's the ultimate search, the enlightening path, the true secret. Sure that sounds all mystical, but to me it makes perfect sense, it's not about thought or belief or even existance.

It's about choice

Power to the Max

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by torilink

I understand what you are saying is that the power of creation doesn't lie in the focused thoughts, but in the decision for whatever we desire.

I wrote something similar on my blog a while back - but basically it is when we DECIDE for our desire, that it is created, then we have our beliefs to deal with in order to allow manifestation.

Yes, when you make the choice, the decison, that's when it is determined. This is why some people achieve their goals very easily, without much thought at all, in fact in some cases, no thought.

Once the choice is made, that's it, right there in that moment it is so. You could take it a step further and believe that thoughts are just the mechanism to make the instantious manifestation more acceptable.

Power to the Max

[Dive Bomb]

Max, good post. I want to expand on Steve's idea about us being the programmers of our own life ala Subjective Reality

Although we are programmers, we still have hardware that we need to operate our life. Such as breathing, food, physics, and all that. Without that our life wouldn't run..it'd be like a CPU without a motherboard, RAM, processors, etc.
Now if there was a way to tweak the "hardware of life" to speak, that may be the real secret to The Secret. Although computers have done amazing things over the years, hardware advances have made them more efficient and even problem-free for a time.

Again just a thought.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Dive Bomb

Max, good post. I want to expand on Steve's idea about us being the programmers of our own life ala Subjective Reality

I think Steve refers to consciousness being the programer, thoughts the instructions and reality the program, but the programer (consciousness) is creating thought, creating the instructions to instruct the program (reality) to change. So consciousness is deciding, choosing something, then creating thoughts to instruct the program to reflect the choice made.

The key here is to get to the consciousness level, bypassing thought and working directly on choice, directly on decison, then the thoughts you have will just be part of the process, almost a by product of correct choice.

True power is in concious choice, not thought. You could argue that a choice is a thought, but I think it's deeper and more important than that. If you believe in choice over thoughts, then the choice is all you need to make and everything else just flows from that.

Power to the Max

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Thoughts don't create. Consciousness is awareness sitting there existing, timeless and ever present, but it is not thought.
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Could it be choice? You make a fundamental choice about something, then it's belief, then thoughts that change the program, change the reality?

This is some interesting stuff man. I didn't really follow (still don't) your original line of reasoning, but your post got me thinking about this. I believe that you're right, choice is the catalyst for reality.

Being a quantum physics geek since I was a kid, this makes a whole lot of sense to me on many levels. I don't know if you're familiar with the double-slit experiment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc), but the gist of it is that it's your choice that determines the reality that comes about. That fits in quite nicely with your hypothesis that it's the choice that determines the eventual outcome, not the thought. Essentially what you're looking at is a field of potential realities, and your choice determines which of those become a reality.

Of course, the real trick is being ABLE to make a choice. For example, I can decide that gravity doesn't apply to me, but as much as I repeat it and jump in the air, part of me "knows" that this isn't possible. But theoretically, there's a reality out there where gravity really doesn't apply to me, and there's a perfectly valid reason for it. So the real problem is that there are beliefs (or thoughts?) in the way of me being able to make that choice.

On a spiritual level, I find this interesting because it directly relates to the story of adam and eve and original sin. Whether you believe the story is literal or not, the story it tells is one of a choice (the first choice?) kicking off a series of events that is still in motion today.

Anyway, thought-provoking stuff, for sure. Good post.

[torilink]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

On a spiritual level, I find this interesting because it directly relates to the story of adam and eve and original sin. Whether you believe the story is literal or not, the story it tells is one of a choice (the first choice?) kicking off a series of events that is still in motion today.

Anyway, thought-provoking stuff, for sure. Good post.

This is what I've understood about the adam/eve story - adam/eve are one, yet they are two - from adam (consciousness) and eve (Mind taken from consciousness becomes Ego) came perception (tree of knowledge), belief (fruit of the tree) and sin (judgement).

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

That fits in quite nicely with your hypothesis that it's the choice that determines the eventual outcome, not the thought. Essentially what you're looking at is a field of potential realities, and your choice determines which of those become a reality.

Of course, the real trick is being ABLE to make a choice. For example, I can decide that gravity doesn't apply to me, but as much as I repeat it and jump in the air, part of me "knows" that this isn't possible.

Choice is the closest you can get to consciousness in it's purest form. and I would say that choice is the fundamental, paramount decision and belief all wrapped up in one, that determines reality.

Thoughts if anything probably get in the way.

Power to the Max

[abundance92]

Until one is committed there is hesistancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning ALL acts of INITIATIVE and CREATION there is one ELEMENTARY TRUTH, the IGNORANCE of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one DEFINITELY COMMITS onself, then PROVIDENCE moves too. All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred. A whole stream of events issues from the DECISION, raising in one's favour all manner of unforseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way. --Goethe's Couplet--

Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. --W.H. Murray--

Hmmmmm,

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by abundance92

Until one is committed there is hesistancy, the chance to draw back, always ineffectiveness. Concerning ALL acts of INITIATIVE and CREATION there is one ELEMENTARY TRUTH, the IGNORANCE of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one DEFINITELY COMMITS onself, then PROVIDENCE moves too

When we make a choice, there's the power inside the choice, the goal. Every goal carrys inside it the complete process of manifestation, but sometimes when we're sure we've made a choice and nothing happens, we are still making the opposite of that choice and getting the result we say we don't want.

Commitment is the momentry observation of creation. You know it's real right now and nothing can stop it............and so it will be.

Max

[Red Willow]

I have a question. How and why do we choose what we choose? Sometimes I feel like life chooses us instead of the other way around. Like when you fall in love with someone unexpected or receive what some people call a "calling" to practice medicine for the poor or save the pandas or become a nun or whatever.

Where does desire to choose one thing over another come from?

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by Red Willow

I have a question. How and why do we choose what we choose? Sometimes I feel like life chooses us instead of the other way around. Like when you fall in love with someone unexpected or receive what some people call a "calling" to practice medicine for the poor or save the pandas or become a nun or whatever.

Where does desire to choose one thing over another come from?

You are playing the most ultimate game of all.............denial.

On one hand, you are god, you have all the power to instantly create everything, right now..............BUT, that game, the game of perfection is too easy and relatively boring.......so.....you play a new game......

This game has rules, some can be bent, some broken, but there are rules.........you're rules. Life doesn't choose you.....you choose life and here you are in all your glory.

Don't put control and creativity outside of yourself, all the power you need is right here, right now, inside you.

Why do we choose what we choose??.......because we choose to have a choice.

Max

[dktang]

Thoughts alone don't create for they are only content. It is with the energy (desire?) that....

Lost track, but tell me I'm not all wrong. It's late for me and your post got my mind real boggled up. I'll check it out again tomorrow.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by dktang

Thoughts alone don't create for they are only content. It is with the energy (desire?) that....

Lost track, but tell me I'm not all wrong. It's late for me and your post got my mind real boggled up. I'll check it out again tomorrow.

Thoughts alone don't create.........Really????

A thought is a choice, a choice for something to exist, when that choice does not manifest...........you are actually choosing something else.

Max

[torilink]

"My thoughts are images I have made" .... ACIM (not sure what chapter or verse)

all thoughts are images... we see them outside ourselves made manifest as our "Reality". We can either dispel them or worship them, those we worship we invest with belief and perpetuate, those we dispel cease to exist.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by torilink

"My thoughts are images I have made" .... ACIM (not sure what chapter or verse)

all thoughts are images... we see them outside ourselves made manifest as our "Reality". We can either dispel them or worship them, those we worship we invest with belief and perpetuate, those we dispel cease to exist.

At the tough end of the creation scale, there is no image, there is simply choice.

Instant manifestation requires no image.

But if we want to image creation, then we never should place it outside.

No one gives you money, no one gives you love, you give it to yourself, everything else is denial.

Max
(TL's simpiton cousin )

[dktang]

Originally Posted by Max Power

Thoughts alone don't create.........Really????

A thought is a choice, a choice for something to exist, when that choice does not manifest...........you are actually choosing something else.

Max

So whether you put energy or not into it, it has already been a choice made... I see.

[Max Power]

Originally Posted by dktang

So whether you put energy or not into it, it has already been a choice made... I see.

We are not here to make a choice, we've already made the choice...........we're here to understand that choice.

Max

[songwriter]

I wouldn't call it "choice" but "attitude" towards whatever. First you think "I may change my attitude about this", then you may change it, then you do different actions than you used to about it then the results change.