Honest Opinions On Teachings Of Abraham!

[Kenny Lindsay]

Hi Guys,

I have read the Abraham books by Esther and Jerry Hicks and while I find a lot of the content and ideas really good I just find it difficult to believe that Esther has some sort of spirit speaking through of her.

What do you guys think and feel about this?

I, as of now, am unsure and undecided.

Kenny

[JHL]

Hi Kenny, if you investigate further back in this thread you will encounter much colourful debate, discussion and argument from both points of view on this topic.

Personally, I share your skepticism and for me its a question of - am I willing to suspend my disbelief long enough in order to apply the material. And the answer is no. Marketing of that nature nauseates me. My search is for truth - it would seem a poor way of pursuing the truth by consuming material that is based on an untruth.

Where it probably succeeds best is in the repackaging of old ideas in a new, intriguing way that makes the information accessible to an audience that is willing to believe what you, me and rather a lot of other people find quite unlikely.

[Erin Pavlina]

Before I saw Esther Hicks I doubted she could be channeling. After I actually saw her work I decided she must be channeling.

My advice is to see her work in person or on a tape before you decide. It made all the difference for me.

[Akashic_Librarian]

JHL I am with you, whilst I enjoyed Ask and It is Given, I just felt that it gave a very, specific look into the nature of Intention Manifestation. Its a lot harder than that book lets on. Its good though. A great starting point.

[Pagoda]

I went to a HayHouse I Can Do It conference a while back to see Wayne Dyer speak. At the time, I knew nothing of Jerry and Esther Hicks but through the I Can Do It conference, I was able to spend all Friday at an Esther and Jerry seminar for very little money (much less than what they normally charge). I chose to see them simply because I saw on Amazon that Wayne Dyer had written the forward to their book. That was all I knew about them.

Today, I am still skeptical of psychics and channelers but back during the time of this conference I wasn't even open to the idea.

Esther was so convincing that I was forced to rethink my beliefs in this area. For 5 hours, she channeled Abraham and answered questions in a way that was so natural but yet was clearly not her speaking. And this was obvious when you watched her speak normally. There is a slight but clear change in accent and tone.

Also, you could just feel the peace and joy radiating from Esther and Jerry whether they were on stage or off. There is a presence about them that is undeniable. There is no sense of alterior motives, no sense of selfishness. They really do seem to genuinely want to help people and they feel they have been given this great gift to do it.

As I said, I am still skeptical of psychics, but that day really opened my eyes.

Erin, suggested you see them in person or listen to a tape. I agree, but if you don't want to spend any money you can listen to a few hours of their seminars for free if you go to hayhouseradio.com


BTW, I don't believe Abraham is all knowing and right about everything. I do believe Abraham is a valuable resource though.

[BelleEnchanted]

When I first bought Ask and It is Given, I also had problems with the channeled aspect. But certain circumstances in my life brought me to a place where that was no longer an issue. After that, I was able to be open to what Abraham says.

Since then, I have (and still am) subscribed to the weekly CDs. I have also attended two Abraham workshops. I agree with Erin - if you can, go to see them or listen to them on tape or CD. And then make up your mind from there.

Abraham is very adamant that we are our own best source of guidance, that we don't need them to tell us anything, that everything we want to know can come from our own alignment. I like that message very much.

If you want to get an idea of what a workshop is like, I recently posted my notes from a recent workshop I attended.

You'll find that what they say will either resonate with you, or it won't. And there's nothing wrong with either result.

Belle

[thestral]

Personally, I could care less if Esther said it was a talking toaster who was writing the books. They speak to me, deep down. When I read Ask and it is Given, it was like the gods had dropped the meaning of life in my lap. I had, up to this time, read everything I could get my hands on, and nothing jived with me. I have had so much "luck" manifesting using their simple style I have had to be careful, because I keep manifesting free cars, five thus far and I really do not want a car at this present time, I was just thinking about what car I would drive when I got my new life!

I do suggest reading Law of Attraction as your starting point.

[Angela]

I love that image! That's who I'm going to pray to from now on.

The channeling thing -- I think that is probably the quieting down, tuning in process, and people give themselves "permission" to say what they really want to say by "channeling" it. I don't think they're necessarily doing this consciously. And I may be entirely wrong! Doesn't matter, though; the stuff I've read by them and the exercises they recommend I have found so valuable and fun that I also don't care if it comes from the Talking Toaster.

[Dharma]

My teacher for the last 5 years has been a channeled being, so I'm pretty used to seeing conscious channels at work. I've never seen Esther channeling live but if I feel into her, yes she is channeling.

A channeled being is just like you or me, but they don't have a physical focus (a body) at the moment. Much of our communication with others happens in the ethers rather than through the physical voice. But we tend to ignore all that other stuff and wait for the voice to deliver the message.

When you say Esther has some sort of spirit speaking through of her. Well then what are we? We're beings who communicate through a physical aspect also. The being speaking through us is us.

When I write blog/forum entries or talk with my friends, I sometimes channel my teacher. I can see him as being separate from me or I can see him as another aspect of myself coming through, just as Abraham is another aspect of Esther.

[thestral]

Originally Posted by Angela

I love that image! That's who I'm going to pray to from now on.

It was what a bunch of us college students noticed one day - the toaster could cook our food, but it would also burn us - both good and evil our toaster was. I started joking not to tick off the toaster, and we joked so much that sometimes, late at night, I swore the thing was talking to us.

Darn, maybe I should have listened!

[Angela]

That is hilarious, thestral! "Give us this day our daily toasted bread, and lead us not into temptation to insert a fork!"

[thestral]

Originally Posted by Angela

That is hilarious, thestral! "Give us this day our daily toasted bread, and lead us not into temptation to insert a fork!"

Drunk college fratboys were my best friends.

Back on topic ^_^ I forgot to add that on the Abraham-Hicks site there are free recordings of Esther "channeling." I'd suggest checking it out.

[Lychee]

Like it says in Harry Potter, if you can't see the person's brain, be wary.

[OldTex]

My mother-in-law is a good friend of psychic Mary Jo McCabe. Before meeting her in Baton Rouge, I had no idea about how channeling, even though I (and my daughter) run a fair amount of psychic energy.

She did a fast "reading" on my daughter, and there is a visible, and verifiable change in Mary Jo's personality when she channels spirit. I was impressed.

To channel takes trust in the spirit you are channeling, as you almost allow them to take control of your body. If it's an evil entity, it'd be possession. The difference is clear, a person possessed is obviously being controlled by something evil. A channel who is being used by Spirit to communicate talks only of good and peace. If the channel tells you to worship them or you'll die of cancer, then it's possession.

What happens is Mary Jo (and Esther Hicks) allow the spirit to use their physical body to communicate with us during a session. They become a translator for the beings, not the same way I or John Edward or anyone else can hear or see people who've passed on... but in a more direct contact way.

I can't give up enough control except to do automatic writing.. and only briefly.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by Kenny Lindsay

Hi Guys ... I have read the Abraham books by Esther and Jerry Hicks and while I find a lot of the content and ideas really good I just find it difficult to believe that Esther has some sort of spirit speaking through of her .... I, as of now, am unsure and undecided.

Kenny, you're a funny guy.

If you really believe that your thoughts can affect reality .... is it really so difficult to believe that Esther is channelling?

[Jay Bee]

When I first heard of Abraham (via Wayne Dyer), I was a little whoa - no way!!! This is all a little woo woo for me LOL!!

Then I went to their website and downloaded their free MP3's of how and why Abraham came into being and something about Esther resonated with me.
Just her warmth and integrity somehow came through, if you had told me just a few years back I would be believing a person that was speaking to me through channelled beings I would have laughed out loud in your face!! But now after listening and reading and researching Jerry and Esther Hicks and Abraham I would say yeah I am now a total believer..........I am a very down to earth person but..........there is just something about this whole thing. In actuality you can probably download as much for free off their website as you can buy for $$$$$ in their books - I don't feel they are about making money as much as spreading the word which is more than you can say for a lot of some of the "self help" gurus in the world today. Just my 2 cents worth.

Barb

[thestral]

Esther and Abraham have been chatting with Oprah on her XM station. Listen free here. Only the April 5th has Abraham, the March one is just Esther and Oprah.

[Jay Bee]

Originally Posted by thestral

Esther and Abraham have been chatting with Oprah on her XM station. Listen free here. Only the April 5th has Abraham, the March one is just Esther and Oprah.

Thank you SOOO much for this Thestral, I have been so wanting to listen to Oprah talking to Abraham and let's face it Oprah is nobody's fool..........sure she made a mistake with that guy who wrote the book about his alcohol addiction, can't remember his name or the title of his book.......but anyways it turns out it was mostly fiction......so I am sure a few researchers got fired and she would be doubly sure from now on that all her researchers were checking FACTS before she went ahead and did interviews and so forth.

Barb

[thestral]

Oprah has them on XM because she states, several times she is "unsure if the TV community is ready for Abraham." And Oprah is honestly kind of creeped out about the whole thing, I've never heard her nervous like this ^_^

[kevs]

Thanks for the Oprah link! I can't wait to hear the next one.

It's interesting though, that every time LOA or The Secret is talked about in mainstream media, the subject always gets back to 9-11, cancer, child rape victims, etc. I mean, will there ever be an answer good enough? No one knows why there is evil in the world.

Speaking of Abraham-Hicks, I recently purchased the audio book for Ask And It Is Given, and I was disappointed because Jerry reads it. I find Abraham/Esther's voice much more soothing and pleasant, and this was a big disappointment.

[Dharma]

Originally Posted by kevs

It's interesting though, that every time LOA or The Secret is talked about in mainstream media, the subject always gets back to 9-11, cancer, child rape victims, etc. I mean, will there ever be an answer good enough? No one knows why there is evil in the world.

It shows you where your focus is... you're focusing on what isn't instead of what is.

In this forum and in the media, when one gets the insight that they create their own reality, they immediately go to all the unconscious garbage they've created and then have a reaction to it and say "no, you're wrong, I don't create this...".
It just shows you, and me, where our focus is.

[dor]

i have tried reading ask and it is given and the whole writing style and abaraham thing is off putting.

However, within it there is some good advice -but I just find the writing style hard to absorb...regarding 'abraham' i just try to think of it as a literally device then it doesn't weird me out so much

Weird as i think it is more than enough artists, writers and so forth have said they are just a vessel and some force is working through them - and I am talking about real writers and artists not new age crackpots ...i think michangelo is purported to have said that.

[Jay Bee]

Originally Posted by dor

i have tried reading ask and it is given and the whole writing style and abaraham thing is off putting.

However, within it there is some good advice -but I just find the writing style hard to absorb...regarding 'abraham' i just try to think of it as a literally device then it doesn't weird me out so much

Weird as i think it is more than enough artists, writers and so forth have said they are just a vessel and some force is working through them - and I am talking about real writers and artists not new age crackpots ...i think michangelo is purported to have said that.

Hi Dor

Have you been to the Abraham Hicks page and downloaded the MP3's and listened to how Abraham came into being?

I have to admit before I listened to these I was like what???!!!!!!! This is too woo woo/weirdo for me, but there is something about Esther Hicks that just resonates and as "weird" and as "crackpot" as it seems to be.........there is just something about the whole thing that just seems to be so normal and right......

Barb

[BelleEnchanted]

Just found this out. You can hear hour long excerpts from some of the Abraham workshops for free. Go to HayHouseRadio and sign up for a free member account. Then click on "archived shows" in the sidebar, then "weekly shows". You'll get a list of shows, and there's a link to Ask and It Is Given shows. Or, once you've signed up, click here to go directly to the archive page for their shows.

Belle

[kevs]

Thank you for link, Belle!

I can't seem to figure out how to download the podcast to ITunes. I followed the instructions, but when I put in the HayHouse password on ITunes, it doesn't take it. I know it's the right password, because I used it to get into the HayHouse site, but for some reason, it won't work on ITunes.

[Jay Bee]

Originally Posted by kevs

Thank you for link, Belle!

I can't seem to figure out how to download the podcast to ITunes. I followed the instructions, but when I put in the HayHouse password on ITunes, it doesn't take it. I know it's the right password, because I used it to get into the HayHouse site, but for some reason, it won't work on ITunes.

Hi Kevs

For some reason I always have to sign in with my password on iTunes at least twice, but eventually it does start downloading the podcasts.

When you go to the archives on the Hayhouse website you will see that as well as the 4 one hour Ask and It Is Given shows that Belle talks about, there are also podcasts from the I Can Do It conferences, including interviews with Jerry and Esther Hicks, I think there are 3 or 4.

Barb
p.s. For those who don't have iPods, you can also download hundreds and hundreds of hours of radio shows and interviews as MP3's to listen to on your computer or burn onto CD's.

[BelleEnchanted]

If you still have trouble downloading them as podcasts, you can always just download them to your computer as mp3s and then import them into itunes. I never actually thought about downloading the podcasts - I'll try that next time, too, I think.

But anyway, I just did what I normally do, import the mp3s into itunes.

Belle

[kevs]

Yeah, that's what I'll have to do, just download the MP3s. I tried the iTunes thing about 7 or 8 times, but it still won't take my password. As soon as I put it in, the password box just pops right back up.

[Jay Bee]

Originally Posted by kevs

Yeah, that's what I'll have to do, just download the MP3s. I tried the iTunes thing about 7 or 8 times, but it still won't take my password. As soon as I put it in, the password box just pops right back up.

That's what mine does too Kevs, but if you look on the left hand side of iTunes you should see that the podcasts are downloading anyway even though "it" appears not to have taken your password.

Barb

[themaster]

Well, here's my understanding.. Seth and Abraham-Hicks are the source material for LOA and its core message sure enough it cannot be traced to them.. but I find versions of it like "The Secret" the sect messages of what I think of as a religion..

Most everything Abraham has said seems to ring true.. and it's hard to even find fallacy in anything.. though the same could be said for a religion

There is a simple way to do a test for yourself.. apparently channeling isn't hard or as impossible as it's made out to be.. (meaning we all are the same.. no one is special) so if you really wanted to you could channel your own entity/guide or your inner self to prove/disprove what they say..

But as another commenter said.. how can you believe that your thoughts reflect reality.. and not buy-in to the fact that someone can channel an entity?

Seth/Abraham-Hicks just puts the last seal or last questions left to rest in the religion that is mostly called "New Age" by my known terminology.. (though bare in mind.. "New Age" also has how crystals help us.. and astrology/witchcraft in the book section )

So you asked for honest opinions right..

Honestly, if there is a core of knowledge to the religion that is "New Age" then the teachings seem to come from these people.. or try hearing some of the Seth material.. it will rack your brain or make you say that's the biggest load of sh*t I ever heard.. (I can't tell you which it is either.. honestly)

Honestly, like everyone else says.. it's hard to believe that Esther can make this stuff up.. or that can always answer almost perfectly every time.. but there are things, albeit small things that don't feel cocher.. but it's not enough to say hoax.. or even say it's wrong..

I would say experiment for yourself.. and make your own determinations.. my experiments for me.. only conclude.. "Need's more study/input; cannot be proved wrong yet"