So, where does desire come from?

[waizen]

Okay, so a lot has been covered regarding making our desires come true.

However, what is the origin of our desires to begin with? Are the origins spiritual, or the result of personal history? Is there a special karmic/spiritual/developmental reason we all desire the things we desire, or is it simpler than that: nothing more than individual circumstances? Why desire the individual things we desire?

[MiBeloved]

Desire come from the causal body. We have a subtle body which we experience in different vibrational stages in the astral and in the dream existences, but there is another body which is just a zone of condensed ideation energy. That is where the desires come from. On that level these desires cannot be fulfilled, just as dry seeds in a sealed jar cannot sprout.

If the seeds are put into a moist environment they will be begin to sprout and if after they are placed in soil, they will evolve into full blown plants. So when released from the causal body, the desires first become known to us in the subtle body and then later they motivate us to produce their gross forms using the physical body.

Personal history is involved. Who can deny that? But in a way personal history is insignificant because the desires are like viruses in that they can penetrate the mind unknowingly and then we assume that it is our individual desires and we act on them.

From that angle it is so that we are pawns of desire.

Take the Iphone. Look how many people purchased that gadget even persons who really do not need to have it and some did so even though they were financially strained to pay their mortgages.

Wherefrom the desire? Right now many gadgets are sold to us by inventors who know how to infest our minds with desires for their products, irrespective of whether we need those things or not. That proves that most of us are dominated by desires, even desires which are obviously coming from others persons, and those persons perhaps were infected by desire viruses.

Way back in the 1970's a writer in the UK named Colin Wilson, wrote a book called Mind Parasites. He was perhaps one of the first persons to realize that they were mind viruses.

[StacyT]

Originally Posted by waizen

Okay, so a lot has been covered regarding making our desires come true.

However, what is the origin of our desires to begin with? Are the origins spiritual, or the result of personal history? Is there a special karmic/spiritual/developmental reason we all desire the things we desire, or is it simpler than that: nothing more than individual circumstances? Why desire the individual things we desire?

This is such a great question. I have some thoughts:

I believe we don't actually want everything we think we desire. I think maybe our higher self wants us to have certain experiences here on earth which may or may not include certain material possessions. That's not to say we don't have free will to have whatever we want-I believe we do, 100%. But I think we manifest things easier when they are aligned with our spiritual development.

The first step in getting what you want is truly knowing what you want. In many cases it can take a lot of self examination to get to the root of our desires....have you ever gotten something only to realize that you didn't want it in the first place? I have, and it's disappointing!

It took me a long time to realize that I don't really want to live in a mansion and drive expensive cars...for some people that is a real desire and I don't begrudge them at all. I'm still a work in progress, refining my desires all the time.

I guess what I'm saying is that is easy to desire things, but it takes a lot of work to desire the right things for you.

[waizen]

What made me think to ask this question is that I have multiple life-long interests that don't seem to have concrete explainable origins.

For instance, I have always had a love for sailing and sailboats, even though I wasn't raised in a sailing family. I mean, I remember being drawn to sailboats as a very young child (single digit age), several years before ever touching a sailboat or even being physically in the same scene with one. It wasn't until the age of 13 that I first touched a sailboat when I talked my father into taking sailing lessons with me.

Anyway, the point is that there is no obvious event in my life that first sparked my interest in the first place. So, where did that spark come from?

Of course, later on in life, I managed to manifest sailboats into my life, but the origin of the initial desire is a mystery to me.

And, not just sailing. I have several hobbies and interests/loves that are the same way...no obvious family history as to why I might be drawn to a particular thing. Just something that is there one day.

So, it may be asked for any desire...what gives birth to a desire?

Yes, marketing of a product can be considered a spark for a desire but let's face it, the most brilliant marketing strategy is not effective on everyone, no matter what it is. I really don't want an iPhone or iPad.

Of course, marketing will seem to spark a desire because someone is already ready to desire a particular item. The marketing campaign is just a tool to help spark a desire.

Still, living creatures have desired things from the beginning of time, marketing or not.

MiBeloved: you speak of a "zone of condensed ideation energy." That sounds interesting to me. Is that like an area of unfullfilled desires? Perhaps still there from a previous existence? A previous life, perhaps?

Still, what is the origin of that? What placed it there to begin with? And, what makes the decision of placing a particular desire there, as opposed to a different one? Why would I desire 'A' instead of 'B'?

Thanks for responding, everyone.

[waizen]

Originally Posted by StacyT

...I believe we don't actually want everything we think we desire....

That's true. But I think my question is targeted at whatever it is we ACTUALLY DO want/desire...deep down. The step before having to think about being a vibrational match or not. The origin of the absolute initial motivation. What is it that created it and placed it into our beings in the first place?

[Solipsist]

I still say that desires come from the ego, or the mind, or what have you. It has to do with satisfaction, or the pursuit of physical, psychological, or emotional pleasure.

Of course, I still expect to get flak from this, as people seem to think that I think that ego is "evil", and therefore desires are "evil," though I never said that.

[waizen]

Originally Posted by Solipsist

I still say that desires come from the ego, or the mind, or what have you. It has to do with satisfaction, or the pursuit of physical, psychological, or emotional pleasure.

Of course, I still expect to get flak from this, as people seem to think that I think that ego is "evil", and therefore desires are "evil," though I never said that.

Okay, but taking this line of thought further, then who or what places desire in the ego? Whether it's in the ego or elsewhere, there still has to be a source for it to begin with. And why one particular desire as opposed to any other one?

Just going back, step by step here.

[MiBeloved]

MiBeloved: you speak of a "zone of condensed ideation energy." That sounds interesting to me. Is that like an area of unfullfilled desires? Perhaps still there from a previous existence? A previous life, perhaps?

Still, what is the origin of that? What placed it there to begin with? And, what makes the decision of placing a particular desire there, as opposed to a different one? Why would I desire 'A' instead of 'B'?

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MiBeloved’s Response:

The zone of unfulfilled but known desires is different to the zone of unfulfilled unknown desires. Those which are known are like desires for more sex after one reaches puberty and has the experience. As soon as one has the first experience, other desires for it surfaces in the mind and then one seeks out sexual opportunities in order to fulfill those emerging desire pressures.

But I was speaking of desires for sex in a three year old for example. At that stage there are dormant unknown desires which remain unmanifest to the infant. Another example of this is the eggs in the ovary of hen. So the hen is laying eggs every 36 hours or so but she is not aware of the eggs until they reach a certain stage of development. Once she becomes aware of them the sitting and clucking begins and she is not at ease with a particular egg, until she passes it out of her body. So those are like the unfulfilled desires you mentioned.

However other eggs are in her body and some are the size of pin-prick, some are so small we need an electron microscope to see them. Those are like the unknown unfulfilled desires I mentioned.


Origin?

That is a big question. One thing I can say is that the origin of the condensed unknown desires is in the pre-existence and as such it is causal, meaning that it is has caused this existence. Hence transcending that, to find out about that, is just about impossible.

Like now our physicists are admitting that dark matter and objects like black holes are really beyond their scope. If something existed before you did and is now unmanifest and if it was instrumental in your being here, then to find out about it is a daunting task.

Spiritual natural forces have placed these factors of our pre-existence here. It is not about logic.

There is absolutely no place for logic in such matters. It is only about observing what took place if we can and accepting that that was the reality, just as we are dependent on the sun, regardless of who or what placed it there and we cannot do anything to either show that it makes sense or that it makes no sense. We are really helpless in that regard.

Cause and effect does not always make sense and our minds and its need for order and logic cannot bully everything into a logical sequence of events. Much of this, we just have to accept as just plain super-reality.