Is it possible to consciously get placebo? (PATHS)

[Erki]

Thread title probably isn't the best but I did my average... and the real content is here anyway.

I just read one of dor's post about PATHS being placebo and everything and I thought, would it be even possible to get results from a "placebo machine" if you already know that everything you get is a placebo effect? If someone comes and introduces some gadget to me and tells me that it actually doesn't work, I just have to think that it works and voila, it does, I doubt it would work.

Another thing I just thought... placebo comes from expectation of something good, right? But then again something we have too big expectations... how does this relate to this?

[Dan.Linehan]

Let's say you used four vision boards every day, each board focused on a different topic. Every day you visualized each topic for three minutes.

By focusing and visualizing on those four things every day, I would guess that those topics would tend to stay at the front of your mind, and you probably would feel real results from it.

[Aaron]

PATHS - Unbelievable Results

"Anyway, the subconscious mind can not only take dna data and act on it, it can do the acting even if not in the dna. For example in our early tests, we had some women sit in front of a black screen for 3 minutes. In less than a week, all their skin tone was several shades darker. What happened? The subconscious mind was urged to increase the production of melanin in the skin by 30% for example. It really is as simple as that.

People have changed eye color through meditation, increased breast size, slowed and even stopped heart rate, cleared plaque from their arteries, etc... I can meditate at 1 breath every 55 seconds and drop my pulse to 38/minute and a blood pressure of 76/74 with nothing but my conscious intent. Don't underestimate the power of what our minds can do and what kind of influence it has over the body. Grief and sadness can cause a body fully of cancer, stress, ulcers, etc... People laugh at medicines with placebo effect but that is the most powerful effect medical science has ever discovered and they laught at it...the placebo can often show more powerful results than the actual medication. This is absolute fact. What does this show? It shows that the mind CAN and DOES have powerful effects over the body.

So, the skin darkening test is just common sense that it will work as intended if the subconscious can be communicated to in such a fashion. It was quick by the sheer power of the technology. People can do the same thing if they visualize it but it will just take a very long time!

This is how the muscle mass module works. People can actually increase lean muscle mass with this technology. NASA, the govt., professional sports knows this well. All the visualization of athletes doing their sports can in their MIND can cause electrical activity in the muscles even if there is no physical movement. There is contraction and relaxation in the muscles and this is scientifically quantifiable and measureable."

PATHS - Unbelievable Results

"Have you done studies that show the effects of PATHS is more than just the placebo effect? The placebo effect could be responsible for increasing the power of the subconscious transmissions into the collective unconscious per your diagram, not PATHS.

If PATHS is the reason, not placebo, than it appears your system and business model aren't tapping into the full potential of this technology. If you have studies that show it isn't the placebo effect, than private message me."

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Yes Pagoda, the skin darkening results were on women who didn't know what they were supposed to expect from staring at a black screen. Ruling out placebo 100%. We have done this with other things as well.

People's belief will back everything they do no matter what medicine, modality, etc... nothing available can separate a user's expectation or belief from their experience with any modality, not even PATHS. With the above skin darkening results ruling out any placebo, when people do know what they are supposed to get from PATHS, it helps of course...can't do anything about that...there is nothing immune from this.

With belief, if someone is very, very skeptical and trying to prove it doesn't work while trying it, they will say anything they want regardless of if there are results or not. We have seen a few of these people even though if they are on mood elevator or something, their friends and family comment on how they are having improvements in mood, etc... we can't satisfy everyone and there will always be skeptics who bring their skepticism with them meaning it had nothing to do with the technology. It was there to begin with meaning their perception filter is already skewed against seeing anything else. We have our share of converted skeptics.

On the placebo again, the women did not know what was supposed to happen by looking at a black screen...no placebo.

Also, a 4-year-old girl with type 1 diabetes. Not knowing what in the world she is supposed to be looking at or what it is even for. Before paths, the blood sugar was below 150 only 20% of the time. 1 week with paths, 39% of the time! That is 200% increase below the 150 mark...that is not only statistically significant...that is mind blowing....before paths the average time under 110 was 10%...after 1 week on paths, under 110, 29% of the time...that is 290% increase in time under 110. THREE TIMES.

There is nobody that can show me these results with placebo or non-placebo in a safe, no side effect, intervention free way.

Anyway, this diabetic module will be available in the near future for the public. To let you all know diabetes cure is already known. It isn't an autoimmune disorder...it is the nerve endings surrounding the beta cells in the pancreas....the nerve endings are NOT properly secreting substance P neurotransmitter telling the brain there is something wrong there. Injecting substance P into the pancreas CURES diabetes. It kicks in normal function virtually overnight.

Anyway, the subconscious mind can simply be told to help increase the secretion of substance P at the nerve endings surrounding the beta cells. That is a small but very significant part of this diabetes module. So, now you know how to cure diabetes with conventional medicine...the injection...

or, with no intervention, 3 minutes per week by utilizing the power of the subconscious mind in a way that has never been done until now.

I will say that if anyone has diabetes, they should get a picture of a cross section of some pancreas, memorize what a healthy one looks like and start visualizing substance P being secreted from the nerve endings. Not as effective as paths, but if anyone has diabetes, they should use what they got! Their mind!

I'm NOT saying that paths will cure diabetes, I AM saying we are applying the real knowledge of what causes the beta cells to properly produce insulin and how to cause the uptake to normalize and putting it in the paths technology as described. And it is working for almost everyone so far. A small percentage are not getting good results, just a very slight improvement, and I do not know if there is anyone with zero difference.

There was even a study in Toronto I think proving this. They injected substance p into diabetic mice pancreas and it CURED them overnight. 4-5 months later, one injection, they still were 100% free of diabetes. That is about 5-7 years in human time. We are not claiming this will last that long but we do know it helps them normalize blood/sugar.

Anyway, the cause is not placebo but a person's belief can and probably will help the technology work better..more accepting. That applies to massage, eft, etc... everything else under the sun.

The rest of the comments are taken out of context, please the entire thread at

[Sarek@Vulcan]

I've read topics on this forum regarding PATHS but the other thread seams so long. Can anyone that posted and read rhat long PATHS thread often tell me if someone found out what is technology behind it, or how exatcly do they do it? I know it's something visual and audio but does the text apear, what kind of colors, images are there? Maybe you can give me some link or some quick explanation. I'm lazy to go over all 18 pages.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Sarek@Vulcan

I've read topics on this forum regarding PATHS but the other thread seams so long. Can anyone that posted and read rhat long PATHS thread often tell me if someone found out what is technology behind it, or how exatcly do they do it? I know it's something visual and audio but does the text apear, what kind of colors, images are there? Maybe you can give me some link or some quick explanation. I'm lazy to go over all 18 pages.

...the 'inventor' won't reveal the 'secret' but just makes references to dubious junk science.

However well documented is the placebo effect for subliminal stuff:
Subliminal Tapes: Self-Help Snake Oil (A Scientific Perspective)

[jojo]

Dor, gotta love your comments!! Keep them coming...they keep the rest of us in balance!

Sarek@Vulcan I don't understand the technology behind paths and I have read all I can on it...I works for me and I figure there are a lot of things that I don't understand the behind the scenes process, but they work!

The modules you watch are basically a picture (same as on the website) that changes colour and has a white ball in the middle that changes size. The background has the words 'paths' embedded as the wallpaper and the size keeps changing and some modules (not all) have extra words that flick on to the screen that relate to the module itself. The audio is some type of beat thing...

Sorry I can't explain much better than that. You might want to check out www.*******************: Program Authoring The Human Subconscious but the website doesn't have a lot of indepth information.

I would recommend reading the PATHS Post Results Here pages (they are shorter and easier to read).

Many smiles!

[Brutha]

If someone comes and introduces some gadget to me and tells me that it actually doesn't work, I just have to think that it works and voila, it does, I doubt it would work.

Please don't think of an elephant in the next minute.
Thinking that something works is no easy task.
Then if you pretend for a year after using the gadjet that you don't have craving for cigarets I would call the therapy successful.

[Shaden]

Hey, Nichols_K thinks Godzilla will be waiting for him when he dies, so why not?