PATHS and Quantum Physics

[Yev]

OK, let's stick to the subject. For now, I accept "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" as being real. Aaron, please explain the relevance of this to PATHS - after all, that was the title you gave this thread.

[CdnNix]

Just let it be ethereal, if there is an issue with relation to this thread the mod's can remove it, that's their job. Aaron can choose to or not respond to people's questions/opinions, and your responding anger to their "spam" (in your view), is much more spam than theres. If you have a problem, PM a mod, don't waste space on this thread.

Now, no more belittling other people's questions and opinions, Aaron can continue answer as he feels, and people can keep asking questions without the extra "spam".

This in itself could be considered spam under my definition of it, so If this should be removed along with ethereal's, so be it.

Nick

[Aaron]

Hi all,

I have established by Bearden's own writing his own version of his own PhD degree, which is doesn't conceal the fact it is from Trinity and was required to do actual work for it and he has plenty of other degrees and accredidations from "accepted" schools, groups, etc...CAES CLOSED

Myron Evans has HUNDREDS of published papers in respected publications, etc...CASE CLOSED

I have posted numerous links to university websites which have references and various explanations of virtual photons and the same for the terminology of vacuum space, which a certain person has implied I made up, which is indirectly calling me a liar (an insult not permitted in this forum I am told). CASE CLOSED

etc... etc... etc...

Anyway, I have a bachelors of science in natural health from an accredited school. I never use it behind my name because I studied this for for personal use and not credibility. I never even had this on the wall at the health food store I owned and closed down last September until about 6 months before I closed it because I didn't think it meant anything. Then a few customers asked me about my education and they insisted I hang it on the wall so I did and of course I think my mom was proud of that LOL

I studied computer science at a community college in Dayton, OH and went to Wright State university and even took logic classes as the Air Force Institute of Technology on Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Does it all mean anything? Not really except for meaning I try to force on it. People are pretty proud of their degrees because depending on the type, they're not easy and does take a lot of work but people do place too much importance on them in my opinion. And if something violates the principles that they learned in school then "it must not be true" this is the all to common mentality.

Einstein said education is what he received AFTER he got out of school.

I agree. The most important education I ever received and the most valid and useful education is what I learned in real life working with medical doctors balanced in both conventional and holistic medicine who were the actual pioneers in various fields of medicine as well as other mentors who are the top in their own respective fields. Some were associates with Pauling and other Nobel prize winners.

Someone may say that someone like Pauling worked within academia but it is really just playing their game. He proved how effective vitamin C was against cancer if delivered intravenously, selected patients not going through chemo, etc... then an "accredited" LOL organization like the Mayo clinic wants to "duplicate" Paulings work and "disproved" Pauling but gave the patients who already went through many rounds of chemo AND gave oral vitamin C and they call this bogus quackery "science"? They duplicated it? The difference between oral ascorbic acid and delivered through IV is night and day difference but just another example of accredited academia QUACKERY. LOL

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned the debate over the importance of accredited academia is OVER and again...LOL...THE CASE IS CLOSED. It is irrelevant...this physics to the degree (no pun intended) that I'm sharing simply proves wrong virtually every bit of foundational physics anyone with a physics degree has...2nd law of thermodynamics...3rd law of motion, etc... all demolished like a cracker under a sledgehammer...poof, disproven, gone, no limitation, myth debunked and for the arrogance to call them laws. LOL, there are NO laws of physics or nature for that matter...they are ONLY opinions that seem to hold up under VERY SPECIFIC PARAMETERS...so step outside those parameters and they don't apply anymore...common sense.

Time to move on to the TOPIC...skeptics can go start their own thread on the importance of accredited universities. LOL

This forum is intention/manifestation and I'm discussing the physics that that very topic is rooted in according to a model that I will share and if it isn't agreed with, then:

10 go back to the beginning of the thread and reread everything
20 If you agree then goto 30 else goto 40
30 goto the next post
40 go find another thread

LOL

[Aaron]

"For all this, you've been unable to provide me with any evidence short of a few crackpots who have to toot their own horn because their work would not stand up in any real journal. People, who after decades of claiming to have fantastic machines, have failed to produce them for anyone to actually see or test.

Mr. Bearden was not 'awarded' anything. He purchased a degree. I wonder if he had to pay for the Vietnam metal as well."

There are threads more suitable to bashing military veterans, a very dispicable and vile thing to do.

Please vomit elsewhere as we're attempting to keep the floors clean here. You also insult me that is fine, you did you best to appear to be some honest person who had a desire but your true colors show through. Call me a charlatan..that is fine, it is obvious you are jealous and your envy is a poor attempt to damage me. shoo (broom brushes ONE to another thread)

[ethereal]

Has anybody checked out this AMAZING pdf yet?

http://www.*******.org/library/loa-s...ty-diagram.pdf

holy crap, I'm 5 pages in to it and I'm hooked. All skeptics and sideliners, heck everyone, please read it

I think it should be required reading before anyone posts another message claiming to understand PATHS and the science behind it and that it's complete quackery!! Even if it is, reading and understanding it will give you extra ammo, so no harm done, right?

I wonder why hasn't anyone else posted this yet!! amazing!!

edit: Aaron please check your PMs

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Yev

OK, let's stick to the subject. For now, I accept "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" as being real. Aaron, please explain the relevance of this to PATHS - after all, that was the title you gave this thread.

For now meaning that you will have a reason possibly later to dispute all those universities involved with parts of science relating to virtual photons and vacuum space??? ROFLMAO

For now until you can't hold your tongue any further with information you dispute without knowing the facts and if it doesn't agree with your knowlegebase then virtual photons are no longer real? This is then a conditional reality you are living in and isn't consistant with what an educated thinker would say. I may be mistaken but odds are you are another ONE with your insults as you have insulted me subtley as ONE did blatantly. I fail to believe your sincerity. I apologize if I'm wrong but you are singing the same tune as these others.

[Yev]

Yes, my personal opinion is probably very much the same as One's. But I accept that you have every right to expect me to behave civilly and I will make an effort. Trading insults is not the way to go and I apologise to all for any aspertions that were not deserved.

Aaron, your last post back to me was the free swipe you were allowed as a response to my insult. Now we are square and I won't post any more insults. But I am very interested to know how "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" is linked to PATHS. By returning my insult you avoided the question. Let's stick to the question and no more insults.

When you have answered that question there is another real concern that I have. I suspect you are about to be honored by the established scientific community, and you may not enjoy that. In one of the other forums I read that you have a method of neutralizing radioactivity. You will definitely be nominated for the Nobel Prize for that one - whether you recognize the Nobel Committee as valid or not.

[dor]

Originally Posted by One

I'm not saying our friend Aaron belongs in that category of course, but to quote Sagan: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof."

it doesn't take much, it seems, to convince aaron:
He claimed the Ice Tea study was overwhelming evidence that subliminals worked..let me quote him:

Originally Posted by Aaron View Post
"Johan Karremans at the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands and his colleagues wanted to see if they could subliminally induce volunteers to favour a particular brand of drink, Lipton Ice.".

"As predicted, among the thirsty, subliminal messaging had an impact. Eighty per cent of thirsty volunteers who had been exposed to the Lipton Ice message chose that product, compared to only 20 per cent of the controls."

Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, DOI: 10.1016/j.jesp.2005.12.2005

80% compared to 20% of the controls...there is no 'maybe' to these numbers

.
- as one commentator pointed out the lipton ice tea study he cited wouldn't pass muster to any clever freshman. -
I realized that the scientists claimed that a) the people have to want a product in the first place (in this case, they really have to be thirsty and desperately want a drink for you to be able to subliminally persuade them to pick a certain drink), and b) the drink options for the test group were Lipton Ice Tea and something called Spa Rood, and they scientists somehow managed to convince everyone to choose the Tea.

It is sad when a study is so flawed that you can spot it from a brief write-up. If the point of the study was to test the effectiveness of subliminal suggestion then splitting the suggestions in half--some for the water, some for the tea--would have indicated something. Unless the New Scientist completely misreported what they did, not only were the conclusions bunk but the study design wouldn't have gotten past an inquiring freshman. The fact that it was printed in an academic journal is really sad.

One, I admire your efforts, but honestly what's the sense of discussing quantum physics with someone who cites a study like this as absolute proof?
I think I have made my point and won't bother to "debate" him anymore.

But notice how he quickly jumps to conclusions notice the 'case closed' after so many statements - this from someone asking us to be 'open' to things he refuses to offer proof for.

Basically I was trying to save people from wasting their money - the illusory placebo of subliminals is, unlike PATHs claims, well documented, yet people automatically attribute any supposed benefit (which probably just comes from thinking about and concentrating on whatever 'module' they paid for) to the fantastic. Sad, but human nature I suppose, but that's why self help scams like subliminals are a profitable industry. If people would just believe in themselves a tad more than some miracle technology they'd be a lot better off emotionally, and financially.

As a side note, I wanted to address (yet another) inaccurate statement, apparently an attempt at humor (after chastising people about manners) and the reason for the closing of the other thread the meaning of "Dor" he already had the answer, but chose to make up another, so I will repeat it here:
"Dor" transliterates the Hindi word "daur," or "run," it's also used to describe any all-out effort. I won't pretend to be literate in Hindi - I know a few phrases and words- but it was the title of a movie I really liked.
DOR - THE FILM
okay and i kind of have a thing for the actress:
Gul Panag - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Aaron]

So anyway,

the VIRTUAL PHOTON FLUX OF THE QUANTUM MECHANICAL VACUUM...

the nature of this POTENTIAL because that is exactly what it is...it is photon potential... is very symmetrical and "homogeneous" in nature... it is chaotic but not random.

if you look at a tv channel with no station, it looks like "snow"...it is chaotic but not random and all the "flux" is disorganized. this is a good analogy showing the nature of the aether.

it is SYMMETRICAL and there isn't any ASYMMETRICAL movement because it is very symmetrical and "static" not in a still sense literally but static in a sense that there is no general asymmetrical movement..some redundancy on purpose.

Compare it to water in a bathtub with a plug in the drain. The water isn't moving but has the appearance of being very static in a sense that it is still but deep down at the subatomic level there is a lot of movement, not static. The water is very symmetrical and homogenous in its nature and just sits there not doing any work as far as "real" movement...but there could be in the sense of brownian motion if a colored liquid was placed in the water, it will distribute itself through "random" motion and work is being done here, but for my example, the water is moving in the sense that it won't be turning any paddlewheel for example.

when pulling the plug in the drain, THE SYMMETRY IS BROKEN and the water moves towards the drain and down a pipe causing real observable work. The key to this movement was breaking the symmetry meaning there is more than one potential difference available to the water and so ASYMMETRICAL movement can happen. This is potential moving from one potential difference to another and this action can be described by the adjective ENERGY, which can be measured in joules of work.

The aether "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" if away from any mass is basically just pure potential that fills all seemingly empty space. It is the "substance" that light travels through and is the substance that Einstein referred to when he said "there must be an aether" and it is this aether that Tesla was a master at who had a background in engineering but comprehended energy physics (without an accredited degree in physics) beyond just about every physicist (who had accredited degrees) in the world at that time.

To note, many are proud to point out Edison and his hard work:
"Results? Why, man, I have gotten lots of results! If I find 10,000 ways something won't work, I haven't failed. I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is often a step forward.... "Thomas Edision

Tesla is the kind of thinker I admire more:
"“If Edison had a needle to find in a haystack, he would proceed at once with the diligence of the bee to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search. I was a sorry witness of such doings, knowing that a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety per cent of his labor.”" Nikola Tesla

How to make use of this potential and turn it into observable work measurable in joules of energy? It requires something that will "break the symmetry of the aether". There is a necessity to have a difference in potentials. Every single physical thing from a subatomic particle with mass has different potentials to it...a high and low, every atom has an overall high and low, every molecule, every cell, every organ, every nerve, every axon/dendrite connection, every thought, every full physical body, every planet, solar system, galaxy and the entire known universe has an overall high and low potential that can have their own high and low potentials in relationship to the aether they are submerged in.

Anything with a high and low potential if we are talking about 2 literal poles is a dipole...something with 2 poles. A car battery is a dipole that everyone is familiar with...2 terminals one positive (high) and one negative (low).

I'll get into this soon...

[dor]

Originally Posted by One

Aaron, I am having an exceedingly difficult time keeping incredulity from affecting my posts. Now you seem to have asked me to butt out for the questions I've asked. You've made some very grand claims. I should hardly be expecting you to pay for electricity at home. After all, so far you've claimed:

*Physicists everywhere are totally wrong.
*You have devices which prove this.
*Physicists are incapable of seeing this.
*You have (in effect) free energy.
*You have discovered the universal language of the subconscious.
*PATHS can modify human DNA.
*PATHS can enhance your sex life
*PATHS Make me look younger
*PATHS can increase my intuition and psychic abilities
*PATHS can modify gland secretions in the body.
*There is currently a cure for diabetes.
*PATHS can lessen diabetes symptoms.
On further investigation I've found that you've also claimed:
*You can turn tap water into a powerful gasoline.

Tom Bearden has in his writings claimed:
*He has unified physics (Einstein failed at this!)
*He can cure cancer
*He invented a device that outputs 7-100 times input power

For all this, you've been unable to provide me with any evidence short of a few crackpots who have to toot their own horn because their work would not stand up in any real journal. People, who after decades of claiming to have fantastic machines, have failed to produce them for anyone to actually see or test.

Mr. Bearden was not 'awarded' anything. He purchased a degree. I wonder if he had to pay for the Vietnam metal as well.

Aaron, some may consider this an insult, but after long and careful consideration and comparison with the dictionary definition, I am forced to conclude that Aaron Murakami is a charlatan.


You will, no doubt, LOL at this and quote some poor dead scientist out of context.

One can only do so much in the service of the consumer. If the nature of your claims have not been made obvious now to those reading there is nothing further I can do.

Thanks for the ride.

Thank you for this very worthy post! I too am always suspect of people who get their degrees from diploma mills- either they stand on merit - like Edison or they get real ones, but the short cut from a diploma mill that Yev pointed out is a con.

I don't think it is an insult either, (unlike his dor blashphemy! ) but after examining his posts, I concluded I thought he was neither trustworthy or crediable.

It could be true! but science in the modern sense did not exist prior to two hundred years ago. No peer reviewed paper has ever claimed the world was flat. Aside-I don't think the educated class believed the world was flat in the time of Columbus. It was a popular belief among the peasants as with many other folk beliefs.

Exactly the world was known to be round since Erastophanese (spelling, its been awhile) who estimated the circumference around the time of Christ. In fact, most every atlantic ocean sailor - Vikings included, must have known the world was round. but fantastic statements like 'everyone thought the world was flat' make better stories.-- and those stories add credibility to equally inaccurate claims

There have been some inventions (i can't believe i am offering information for charlatans to use!) that have been not so much supressed, as ignored - steam technlology around the time of Hero & arcemedies, the ferguson rifle (if adapted by the british they probably would have won the american revolution) and possibly Bucky Fuller's dymaxion car. Bucky made extraorindary claims but backed them up. That's the difference between people outside the system who are crediable and those who are not, like Beardan

[ethereal]

Aaron, please check your private messages if you have not done so yet.

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by Yev

I am very interested to know how "virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum" is linked to PATHS.

When you have answered that question there is another real concern that I have. I suspect you are about to be honored by the established scientific community, and you may not enjoy that. In one of the other forums I read that you have a method of neutralizing radioactivity. You will definitely be nominated for the Nobel Prize for that one - whether you recognize the Nobel Committee as valid or not.

The virtual photons are the "prime substance" of even what thoughts are utilizing to potentiate themselves. PATHS through its interaction with the subconscious will cause more potential to be used per thought per unit of time. Everything I'm explaining is perfectly relevant.

The method for neutralizing radioactivity is simply putting HHO gas on radioactive material. It neutralizes most radioactivity almost instantly. "Brown's Gas" or "Rhoad's Gas" same thing..commonly ducted gas made from pure water by pulsed DC...the gases reattach HHO instead of HOH and there is also a mixture of monoatomic H and O in the mix. Pressurizing this gas out a torch tip and igniting it has very unusual properties...cool to the touch but instantly melts tungsten on contact needing about 3000 degrees but won't burn your hand...will melt a rock into a puddle and when hardened will look like moonstone with a hardness of 9..diamond is 10...put the flame on anything radioactive and the radioactivity is neutralized over 95%. This is provable by anyone with a Brown's gas generator (few thousand dollars) or build your own. My water gas cell makes the exact same gas but more efficient than even a brown's gas generator. Americium 241 is radioactive and is in virtually every single smoke detector so is easily obtainable and anyone can get a geiger counter for a few hundred bucks and demonstrate this themselves. I have not done this as it has been proven. See Eagle-Research practical energy solutions...today! for more info as George Weiseman makes the best commercial browns gas welders. He uses sodium hydroxide as an electrolyte I believe, I don't use anything other than the natural minerals that come in tap water. I can't take credit for any of this as it has been around for years...I'm simply one of many people who are involved with water gas research...real research with real working machines. My machines are small proof of concept machines to test the efficiency of using voltage potential without electron current. Anyone can commercially buy a brown's gas welder as you see on the site listed above. Mine just happens to be more efficient but the gas is the same.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

So anyway, ..

no, not 'so anyway' you've clearly demonstrated you don't know what a controlled experiment is. you said ".there is no 'maybe' to these numbers"

and Etheral - this is not 'bashing' - this proving that aaron is neither qualified or capable of proving the 'science' behind paths because he doesn't understand the basics of science and his sources are junk:

One, thank you for the Beardon links some tibits:
Tom Bearden - does he have the answer to free energy?

Please note, in the following 10 years since Mr Bearden claimed electromagnetic waves are identical to sound waves, no evidence whatsoever has been found to support this quackery. The idea electromagnetic forces are akin to sound waves, is nonsense now, as it was nonsense then, as it was known to be over 100 years ago.

How the Russians Keep Shooting Down the Space Shuttle

Bearden claimed the Russians shot down the space shuttle in both instances, 1986 and 2003. It has almost become a tradition now. Any kind of accident, and 'its them darn Ruskies.' Nothing whatsoever to do with frozen 'o' rings, debris at launch damaging heat tiles, or anything like that. My favorite extract is this one:

'… At the time of the launch, anomalous electromagnetic phenomena occurred in nearby restaurants '

Like what? Spoon bending? So Bearden was having bacon and eggs in a cheap diner, and his spoon bent while he was eating or something, therefore, the Russians shot down the space shuttle? You can not physically write material this absurd.
This is the guy that aaron's basing his defense of PATHs on

[dor]

One let me again thank you for that link, i think what the poster says about Bearden is equally applicable to aaron:

Tom Bearden is today known as the self styled expert on over-unity physics. That is to say, electrical systems that put more energy out than goes in. However, this position of pre-eminence, has been achieved not by the conventional means of publishing papers in peer reviewed journals, attending mainstream scientific conferences, or even providing working demonstrations, but rather by playing to the crank fringe audience on the internet, with a sustained and substantial publicity effort that now exceeds 10 years in duration.

What has made the rise of Mr Bearden possible, has been the general absence of critical discussion of his methods and concepts. This is not surprising, since Mr Bearden has consistently kept away from those who are qualified to evaluate his claims, and prefers instead to keep company only with those who are uncritical in accepting his statements of knowledge.

Hence, the purpose of this document, is for the first time, to undertake a critical evaluation of the claims made by T.E. Bearden, to place them in a context, and evaluate whether there is any intrinsic value in any of the work undertaken by Mr Bearden.

I want to state the amount of nonsensical material Mr Bearden has produced over the years is simply too enormous to possibly be covered, and I have had to leave out gems such as claims Tom Bearden has provided a physical mechanism for re-incarnation, among numerous other absurdities.

Tom Bearden - does he have the answer to free energy?

I would urge anyone thrown off by aaron's evasive arguments and anyone seriously considering PATHs to read this at length, it shows what outright quackery Aaron is citing, and the proof as they say, is in the pudding: Bearden has never been able to demonstrate his claims, he only claims to have demonstrated them.

Okay now I have really done my part, folks i will repeat once again, there is known effect from subliminals- illusary placebo. You now have clear proof that is true (see the locked thread) and if you read through the above post you'll see that the claims Beardan is making are false. If Beardon is wrong, so is Aaron.
Still want to part with your $200.00? be my guest

Aaron i won't be participating in this thread or any thread about paths so you're free to go back to posting junk science and testomonials and cashing in on subscriptions.

[Aaron]

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

[Aaron]

Archived DOD link DefenseLINK News: Secretary Cohen With Senators Nunn and Lugar - April 28, 1997
The Archives - Internet Archive Wayback Machine


"Secretary of Defense Reveals Earthquake
and Volcano Weapons

This one might seem beyond belief, but we have it from none other than a sitting Secretary of Defense. In April 1997, then-Defense Secretary William Cohen was speaking at a terrorism conference at the University of Georgia. After some introductory remarks about the conference, Cohen takes questions from the media in attendance. A reporter asks a question based on the fake anthrax letters that had recently been sent to B'nai Brith. Cohen gives a strange answer, using the occasion to mention the exotic weapons being developed by terrorists (as well as--one would assume--governments).

Here's the exchange, taken verbatim from the transcript posted on the Defense Department's Website:

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important."

Tom Bearden worked heavily on this science with the military as he is one of the foremost leading experts on scalar electromagnetics:

Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

The electromagnetic waves are used by way of scalar interferometry, again, which Bearded is a leading expert.

[Aaron]

The MEG - "Motionless Electromagnetic Generator" from Tom Bearden

Naudin...aaaahhhh... a great champion in the "free energy" world who has duplicated many out of the box technologies.

Successful duplications of Bearden's MEG device. Good work Naudin!

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

That can be said in response to anything. it proves nothing.

Oh Aaron one more thing. I know you tried to mine data from me. I have changed my passwords and run a fairly secure computer to begin with but if anything suspicious happens, I will be contacting the Washington State Attorney General.

here is the proof -
there is a site:
site:www.thequantumrealm.com - Google Search

a newly registered user (saturn5 no posts just registered today sent me a pm with this: (DONT CLICK)
entiteled the truth about paths
www. thequantumrealm.com/ truthaboutpaths.html

< script type="text/javascript" language="javascript">
var sc_project=2392510;
var sc_invisible=0;
var sc_partition=22;
var sc_security="1e00bcfb";
</ script>

to get my IP ....who's posted on the quantomrealm? Aaron:

http://team.powerfulintentions.com/f...ew/7222821/p/1

Aaron Murakami

http://www.thequantumrealm.com/celltest.avi

.....



What's your explanation for this Aaron? it wasn't you? I know the above page has since been deleted, but i still have the pm so if you publically deny it here, I will know what i have suspected all along -you're not telling the truth or don't know the difference between the truth and a lie.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

The MEG - "Motionless Electromagnetic Generator" from Tom Bearden

Naudin...aaaahhhh... a great champion in the "free energy" world who has duplicated many out of the box technologies.

Successful duplications of Bearden's MEG device. Good work Naudin!

The following is also from Tim:


Bearden's extreme arrogance about the MEG device, is all the more remarkable, when one examines the history of flux core research, and his lack of honestly when declaring prior art. Under patent office guidelines, certain procedures must be properly followed:

'This section should also contain a description of information known to you, including references to specific documents, which are related to your invention. It should contain, if applicable, references to specific problems involved in the prior art (or state of technology) which your invention is drawn toward. In the past, this section may have been titled "Description of the Related Art" or "Description of Prior Art." '

Non-Provisional (Utility) Patent Application, A Guide to Filing

Bearden knows all about Joe Flynn - we can prove this, he has openly referred to Joe Flynn in the recent past on a number of occasions. Joe Flynn was also granted a patent for the 'MEG' as a minor subsection of his comprehensive 6,246,561 flux core US patent - see the 'Power Conversion' section. The Flynn patent is the most comprehensive and important flux core prior art in the whole American patent database, yet Bearden refuses to openly reference it.

http://www.flynnresearch.net/our_patent.htm


If Bearden wants to file supplemental patents for the MEG, as he claims, he has two main choices.

1. Admit Joe Flynn holds the patent rights to the MEG
2. Lie to the American patent office, and claim he is unaware of the Flynn prior art

Either way, it's bad for Bearden. If it works, Joe Flynn holds the patent rights. If it does not work, he has nothing. Either way, Bearden should fess up and admit his precious MEG patent is worthless. Anyone who pays Magnetic Energy a single cent in royalties is a a fool - there is no need to pay them anything. They have no viable intellectual property that would stand up in a court of law.

[Aaron]

Please don't be derailed by a few who are telling you all the "facts" about something new that they have never tried themself, know nothing about but they profess their fear based ignorance anyway. I know that smart people can make their own decisions. Some people just hate what they do not understand and some wear it like a badge on their shirt.

Sara Paddison, The Hidden Power of the Heart
"If you are dealing with fears and insecurities from old head programs, have compassion for yourself. Just love your insecurities, fears and resentments. Release and forgive them as they come up. Judging, beating or repressing insecurities just gives them power. Then you have a pattern that never gets resolved. Recognize that your real security is built from your relationship with your own heart."

"One hates what one fears."

Aesop
"It is easy to be brave from a safe distance." (being anonymous)

Lucius Annaeus Seneca
"The bravest sight in the world is to see a great man struggling against adversity."

Lidwig Borne
"The most dangerous person is the fearful; he is the most to be feared."

Doug Larson
"An optimist thinks this is the best of all worlds. A pessimist fears the same may be true."

Cyril Connoly
"Hate is the consequence of fear; we fear something before we hate it; a child who fears noises becomes a man who hates noise."

Robert Louis Stevenson
"Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others."

Lactantius
"Where fear is present, wisdom cannot be."

Jewel Kiltcher (Singer)
"The things you fear are undefeatable, not by there nature, but by your approach."

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"We fear things in proportion to our ignorance of them."

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From the beginning of time, when anyone shines light on something unknown there are those agents of darkness who make every attempt to prevent this from happening.

[One]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Please don't be derailed by a few who are telling you all the "facts" about something new that they have never tried themself,

For only $199 and 34.95 per module per month after!

Really Aaron. Quite the infomercial.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

Please don't be derailed by a few who are telling you all the "facts" about something new

aaron, please answer the question, why did you try to mine my data? are you denying it was you? Please answer.

[Aaron]

I was allowed to post files on that domain for my newsletter and other references until I got more space on my own domain...this is why the duplicated files on two domains. That domain has been used by people posting files relevant to free energy technologies and there 'may' be files on there about PATHS. I don't know:

www.thequantumrealm.com/celltest.avi
www.****************/radiant/celltest.avi

There are plenty of other files but I have no need to justify anything to you.

Oh yeah, since you want to do a lot of free advertising for my files, let me not forget
The Secret Law of Attraction Tool
The Secret Law of Attraction Tool

Thanks for all the energy you are adding to the collective in regards to PATHS, free energy, etc... all you do is make it more of a reality for more people. domo domo

[Aaron]

by the say

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

I was allowed to post files on that domain for my newsletter and other references until I got more space on my own domain...this is why the duplicated files on two domains. That domain has been used by people posting files relevant to free energy technologies and there 'may' be files on there about PATHS. I don't know:

www.thequantumrealm.com/celltest.avi
www.****************/radiant/celltest.avi

There are plenty of other files but I have no need to justify anything to you.

Oh really so you won't answer the question.

here is the PM:

saturn5 saturn5 is offline Join Date: 03-28-2007
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Originally Posted by saturn5

Truth About PATHS

a registered user with no posts, the link to a site where you can post files - a link page that is specifically to mine personal data. the same hour, in fact we were arguing..... it has nothing to do with you?

Aaron I think you're being evasive, again. If you were upfront about it, and admitted it was a silly thing to try, I might gain a little more respect for you. but you're credbility is sinking even further.

Can you provide a US address for Paths - real 'offices' not just email?

[Aaron]

WOW, you're so talented DOR...suddenly an expert on patents too...you really impress me or at least you just point to other people's opinions while you stand behind your anonymous name. LOL

So it goes from "meg is a scam" to "someone else is the real inventor who should get royalties and not someone who "copied" a working device". LOL

[Aaron]

Originally Posted by dor

Aaron i won't be participating in this thread or any thread about paths so you're free to go back to posting junk science and testomonials and cashing in on subscriptions.

Thanks for you input...I'll make sure to let everyone know. Good bye.

[dor]

Originally Posted by Aaron

WOW, you're so talented DOR...suddenly an expert on patents too...you really impress me or at least you just point to other people's opinions while you stand behind your anonymous name. LOL

Why did you try to mine my data Aaron?
Why won't you answer?
Can you provide the US address for paths 'offices' I always here references to 'our office' in those glowing testimonials and replies "our office will adjust the program' and so on.

Aaron YOU KNOW you tried to mine my data. You'll evade the truth about that matter, but you know, I know it's true. And you can't admit this truth.

[One]

Originally Posted by Aaron

WOW, you're so talented DOR...suddenly an expert on patents too...you really impress me or at least you just point to other people's opinions while you stand behind your anonymous name. LOL

So it goes from "meg is a scam" to "someone else is the real inventor who should get royalties and not someone who "copied" a working device". LOL

You are being evasive Sir. Really, the data mining gambit was as foolish as it was dishonorable. You seem to even admit to it here by making open your desire to learn DOR's identity.

I believe you are done here Aaron. You would probably save more face by leaving now, though I suspect you won't. You've lost too much face here already.

[Dan.Linehan]

This thread is closed for review.

This sort of combative dialogue is totally unproductive on all ends and won't be tolerated.

Everyone has more than made their points, now we're just beating a dead horse. Move on guys.

I'm going to request that no additional threads be opened concerning this subject matter (ie. the validity of the PATHS technology or the validity of the PATHS business model.)