Successful people who do not use LOA?

[ellie]

I was just wondering about why some people (I assume) who are successful in life, do not need or use LOA or manifesting techniques?

Why is Bill Gates successful, surely he does not use LOA?

I'm just in the middle of reading "Think and Grow Rich", which talks a lot about how successful people become successful, and from the books point of view it's all to do with desire, persistence, faith, never giving up and some manifesting principles.

A lot of the examples given in the book, show successful people, but not necessarily ones who have followed the writers technique, but I do get an overall sense, that attitude and belief has a big part to play.

But I can't imagine a lot of successful business people, sitting in a corner doing manifesting techniques. So that got me thinking are these people already naturally ahead because their attitude is already similar to above, such as, they have a strong desire, they state the desire, believe that the desire will happen, persistence, never defeated, and just have faith? Is it all just to do with their attitude I wonder? Confidence and belief in their selves?

And are the people (such as myself) that are struggling with financial abundance on growing their business, lacking faith and confidence in what they can achieve professionally and monetary wise?

I think my next journey, is to start experimenting with actual faith and strong desire for what I want in monetary and business sense. I'd be interested to see the results in my shift of thinking.

[bluelighth]

To me it seems likely that they have a better attitude toward financial abundance, and even though they aren't consciously using the LOA, their beliefs work with it in that direction. Its just the sames as having beliefs that hurt you, and holding them unconsciously, only less common.

As for bill gates, there is a rumor that his inspiration was the book "The Master Key System" by Charles F. Haanel, which is one of the early LOA books on money (published as a book in 1916). But that hasn't been verified.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by bluelighth

To me it seems likely that they have a better attitude toward financial abundance, and even though they aren't consciously using the LOA, their beliefs work with it in that direction. Its just the sames as having beliefs that hurt you, and holding them unconsciously, only less common.

Yes, you summed it up much better than me I think this statement is very true!

[Acting Like Godot]

Everyone, successful or not, uses the LOA. Some know it, and some don't, that is all.

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Acting Like Godot

Everyone, successful or not, uses the LOA. Some know it, and some don't, that is all.

Yep, but underneath it all, for those that are successful, attitude and belief are what makes the difference?

Those that see positive results with LOA, have a strong belief in what they are doing is going to manifest...don't you think?

We all may use LOA, but we might not be using it to it's best ability because we don't know or understand how to use it.

So I guess what I am trying to understand id... what sets apart those that are successful and yet have never heard of the concept of LOA.

[Dezarae]

^ Exactly. Everyone uses LOA every single day, all day long. They mostly manifest more of the stuff they don't want. I'm sure Eminem didn't follow a guru and outline a plan, but he did focus on the same thing constantly, connected it to his emotions on a deep level, and took action when the universe presented opportunities.

[Acting Like Godot]

Originally Posted by ellie

Yep, but underneath it all, for those that are successful, attitude and belief are what makes the difference?

Those that see positive results with LOA, have a strong belief in what they are doing is going to manifest...don't you think?

We all may use LOA, but we might not be using it to it's best ability because we don't know or understand how to use it.

So I guess what I am trying to understand id... what sets apart those that are successful and yet have never heard of the concept of LOA.

Nothing sets them apart. They create with their attitudes and beliefs. Which are all thoughts, of course.

[kenny r]

From what I have noticed by watching interviews of famous people is they had a single-minded focus much of their lives, starting often at a very young age and NEVER wavering. They believed they were meant to do a thing, they loved to do it, often felt guided by a higher power, and had fierce determination to achieve what they were after.

I think whether consciously using the LOA or not, these qualities alone are attractive to success.

[SheldonCooper]

I was just wondering about why some people (I assume) who are successful in life, do not need or use LOA or manifesting techniques?

Don't you mean most people who are succesful in life?

[SatvikBeri]

Originally Posted by SheldonCooper

Don't you mean most people who are succesful in life?

I dunno, dude.

Keep in mind that visualization started as an LoA technique, and now it's pretty mainstream. Still, unless you're close to successful people you'll never find out if they visualize every day or meditate and set their intentions. It's just not something that most people publicize, because the general reactions are skeptical or negative.

Personally, every person I know well who makes more than $100k uses some sort of LoA/visualization techniques. How extreme they are varies, but all of them at least visualize regularly.

The only two people I can think of who repeatedly say they *don't* visualize or use any LoA techniques and are successful are Bob Bly and Joel Comm.

[danas]

LOA applies to everyone. Bill Gates included
Its a universal law.
A three year old doesnt know about gravity, yet still he doesnt float in the air.

Gravity is a much more obvious law, and its easy to catch on to quickly. LOA is more subtle. It may take a whole lifetime for you to realize the laws of the game of life. But still even if you dont know them, they apply to you.

I manifested crazy things in my life long before I heard of LOA. I just had 100% certainty and determination to get what I want, and I did.

Bill Gates, had 100% certainty that he had a useful product to offer. Im sure his initial goal wasnt to make millions, but to offer the world a great tool and he focused on that, trusting that it will be useful and therefore it must sell/
Driven by ambition he kept pushing forward.

[Showtime]

Originally Posted by ellie

Why is Bill Gates successful, surely he does not use LOA?

He may not have used it deliberately, but he sure as hell used it.

And it's strongly rumored that Bill Gates read The Master Key System before he dropped out of college and started Microsoft.

But either way, when Napoleon Hill says stuff like "I've never known anyone to reach high stations in life without possession of this secret" he doesn't mean that all of them used it consciously. The secret is really: have a goal + a bunch of confidence. You can't really be successful without those 2 things.

Originally Posted by SheldonCooper

Don't you mean most people who are succesful in life?

heh.

Celebrity IM/LoA quotes?

[Excellent Lodestar]

Originally Posted by kenny r

From what I have noticed by watching interviews of famous people is they had a single-minded focus much of their lives, starting often at a very young age and NEVER wavering. They believed they were meant to do a thing, they loved to do it, often felt guided by a higher power, and had fierce determination to achieve what they were after.

Yes, most will tell you it's almost like they didn't even have a choice; like it was fated or something...
it was simply hard work, and time.though to them of course, it didn't feel hard.

Malcom Gladwell talks about this in his book Amazon.com: Outliers (9780141036250): Malcolm Gladwell: Books and hints that it has more to do with legacy and opportunity than any LOA...

He has something called the 10,000 hour rule, which says you have to do something for 10,000 hours before you reach any sort of "mastery". Then you need a little luck...some more than others. He uses the Beatles and Bill gates as examples. Great book.

the irony of course, is that those who we might consider "successful" don't really care about that; they're just doing what they love--they would have done it anyway...

[Silenced140]

I know a whole bunch of people I see in my everyday life. A lot of them just look at the world more positively because they were brought up positively. I have friends who are masters of their own niche in life. One friend can get with any girl he wants, One is very good at any sport he chooses, another can befriend almost anyone he comes into contact with. I could go on.

For me, I feel glad I was brought up the way I was. Intelligence is a blessing and a curse. Not to be too arrogant but I can say I'm pretty intelligent. Far more intelligent than my friends. Not mathimatically or mechanically, but the intangible form of intelligence which lets people see the broader picture of the world.

So growing up I'm stuck seeing all of these bad things and working them into my perception of reality, I couldn't help but be negative and pessimistic. In concrete thinking, we are helpless to solve any big problem.

Though with that intelligence, I used it to start searching the world for something to better life. And I found it after the internet introduced me to this crazy LOA thing. After that everything started making much more sense.

My friends each have mastered their own field. I only did ALRIGHT in each of those fields. I am truly the lucky one, because with this knowledge my intelligence provided me, I can master everything and anything. Whatever I want.


There are all kinds of successful people that don't use the LOA. Though they're still successful because they just don't know they're using it.

[Gaia333]

Showtime started a wonderful thread on celebrity quotes & their use of IM/LOA.

Also, many many years ago, I read a book called "Secrets of the Millionaire Mind" & the author advised you to read bios of successful business people. I read bios on Trump, Carnegie, the Guggenheims, Barbara Corcoran, Ford...and many others and what amazed me was how many were brought up with or believed in IM. Celebrities may not openly say that they do but if you read their bios you'll be amazed. I wish I could find an exact quote...in the book about the three generations of Trumps, it mentions the church Donald attended as a boy. It sounded more like a "science of the mind" than just traditional Christianity.

[AthenaMarina]

I think most successful people have predominantly believed they WOULD be successful and they've often found a way to have fun doing it, be playful about it. And so by their believing it was possible and the actions they took they made it so.
So there's the link.